Have any of you ever been paid by cigclick?

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Hi all

As the title says, have any of you ever been paid by cigclick?

They haven't paid me and they ignore all my e-mails.

Any positive past experiences?

Thanks.
#cigclick #paid
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxRenn
    This is their website:

    E Cig Ad Network: E Cigarette Advertising Network! PPC Contextual Advertising For Alternative Smoking Products & Services! - Home

    They're a niche advertising network for electronic cigarettes.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxRenn
    I just looked at their WHOIS and it's hidden (domains by proxy).

    I think I, and everyone else who uses them (publishers and advertisers) have just been scammed...
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    • Profile picture of the author CigClick
      We review all new account before payout.

      If you did not get paid it is due to one of the following reasons, to protect our advertisers ad spends.

      - review of clicks came back "many duplicates" by same IP address.
      - random review of your publisher account showed fraudulent activity

      Both actions result in closure / cancelation of your account.

      We do not pay out to fraudulent publishers and must refund advertisers for the fraudulent clicks.

      CigClick admin.
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      • Profile picture of the author daweller
        (OT) Hello CigClick,
        Do you allow online gambling-related ads on your network?
        Thanks



        Originally Posted by CigClick View Post

        We review all new account before payout.

        If you did not get paid it is due to one of the following reasons, to protect our advertisers ad spends.

        - review of clicks came back "many duplicates" by same IP address.
        - random review of your publisher account showed fraudulent activity

        Both actions result in closure / cancelation of your account.

        We do not pay out to fraudulent publishers and must refund advertisers for the fraudulent clicks.

        CigClick admin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Al amin
    Never heard of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxRenn
    When do you make payment? For example, if I earned $100 in August, when would you normally make August's payment?
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  • Profile picture of the author BPI
    Also a cigclick user......can confirm they do not pay.....scam
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  • Profile picture of the author BPI
    ecigmedia are also a scam...i bought adverts with them only to later discover they use 0x0 pixel on unrelated webpages to inflate the views of my ads

    are there ANY real advertising companies for ecigs?
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    • Profile picture of the author mlongley
      Originally Posted by BPI View Post

      ecigmedia are also a scam...i bought adverts with them only to later discover they use 0x0 pixel on unrelated webpages to inflate the views of my ads

      are there ANY real advertising companies for ecigs?
      BPI, I see this is an old thread but just realized that you are accusing my company of fraudulent activity. We use a respected 3rd party ad server for all of our ad serving and tracking. We have had some problems with a few publishers in the past inflating impressions but we keep an eye out for fraudulent activities and stop that sort of thing very quickly. We work with all of the top vaping and ecig companies in the industry and have a great reputation. If there was a problem with your campaign it was never brought to our attention, but please feel free to contact us any time if you have any questions about our platform.
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      • Profile picture of the author ciggie
        Originally Posted by mlongley View Post

        BPI, I see this is an old thread but just realized that you are accusing my company of fraudulent activity. We use a respected 3rd party ad server for all of our ad serving and tracking. We have had some problems with a few publishers in the past inflating impressions but we keep an eye out for fraudulent activities and stop that sort of thing very quickly. We work with all of the top vaping and ecig companies in the industry and have a great reputation. If there was a problem with your campaign it was never brought to our attention, but please feel free to contact us any time if you have any questions about our platform.
        I had to register after seeing this!! I also found my ads were displaying as an invisible iframe. Your service is a SCAM. You FAKE impressions and rip off your customers.
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        • Profile picture of the author mlongley
          Originally Posted by ciggie View Post

          I had to register after seeing this!! I also found my ads were displaying as an invisible iframe. Your service is a SCAM. You FAKE impressions and rip off your customers.

          Hi Ciggie,What is the name of your business so that I can verify that we have worked together. Do you have any proof of this accusation? Most of our clients track ROI and are happy with our service. Many have been with us for several years.

          If you had any tracking or impression issues make sure to report it to our team and we would resolve the issue. Like I said above, sometimes publishers have problems with scripts on their websites and ads don't serve correctly. In some cases they could fake traffic. Most of the time our software automatically detects these issues because it detects fraudulent traffic, or Click Through Rate and ROI drops significantly on a campaign.
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          • Profile picture of the author ciggie
            Originally Posted by mlongley View Post

            Hi Ciggie,What is the name of your business so that I can verify that we have worked together. Do you have any proof of this accusation? Most of our clients track ROI and are happy with our service. Many have been with us for several years.

            If you had any tracking or impression issues make sure to report it to our team and we would resolve the issue. Like I said above, sometimes publishers have problems with scripts on their websites and ads don't serve correctly. In some cases they could fake traffic. Most of the time our software automatically detects these issues because it detects fraudulent traffic, or Click Through Rate and ROI drops significantly on a campaign.
            How do you explain this code you have on people's websites?

            PHP Code:
            <a href="http://ads.ecigmedia.com/go2/;ID=SOME-ID;size=0x0;setID=SOME-OTHER-ID" target="_blank">
            <
            img src="http://ads.ecigmedia.com/adserve/;ID=SOME-ID;size=0x0;setID=SOME-OTHER-ID;type=img" width="0" height="0">
            </
            a
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            • Profile picture of the author ciggie
              mlongley why have you gone silent?

              Why are you displaying your customer's banner adverts inside invisible iFrames on busy websites?

              How is this not fraudulent banner impressions?
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              • Profile picture of the author mlongley
                Originally Posted by ciggie View Post

                mlongley why have you gone silent?

                Why are you displaying your customer's banner adverts inside invisible iFrames on busy websites?

                How is this not fraudulent banner impressions?
                Ciggie, sorry for the delay in response I was traveling yesterday - we have no record or evidence of any fraudulent activity on our network. We'd like to look into the example(s) you're referencing more closely, but what you've posted is a non-specific version of an HTML ad tag that we don't use very often. If you could provide us with a specific snippet/screenshot from a page with our code on it, we may be able to track down what and where you're saying is fraudulent activity. The code that you shared above is not connected to any specific campaign or publisher.

                In response to your second post mentioning iframes, we do sometimes use iframes as containers for trackers, but if you look closely at them you'll clearly see they are unconnected to ads displayed on the page or impressions registered in our ad-serving platform. We're happy to work with you to explain what you believe to be fraudulent activity on our behalf, but we'll need a more specific example.

                If you are a past client or partner with our network and you'd like to discuss this in the context of your experience with us, we'd be happy to hear more information from you in that regard as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author ciggie
    You contacted a partner of mine about placing that code on his website with the goal of creating fake advert impressions. You offered him money for this.

    There's no way you can weasel your way out of this.

    How can you explain this code? Why would you want it to appear on ecig related websites?
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  • Profile picture of the author mlongley
    Ciggie, are you saying that I did this or someone from my company did this? I personally have too much invested in the industry and my company to do something that stupid. If one of my employees tried to do that they would be looking for another job. Most of my advertisers and publishers are my personal friends so I would not do that to them.

    Also, First you said that we scammed you as an advertiser:
    I had to register after seeing this!! I also found my ads were displaying as an invisible iframe. Your service is a SCAM. You FAKE impressions and rip off your customers.
    Now you are saying that it was your partner and he was a publisher:
    You contacted a partner of mine about placing that code on his website with the goal of creating fake advert impressions. You offered him money for this.
    The code that you shared would not function as it does not have any campaign or publisher ID.

    If you are an advertiser please share your advertiser ID or your identity so we can investigate your campaign.

    If your partner is a publisher or was a publisher let us know who he is and who he spoke with and we can investigate further.

    For anyone else reading this thread.... Whether you are considering our network or any ad network. You can prevent advertising fraud by serving your ads through a 3rd party ad server or attribution platform. This way you can verify that the traffic is legit and make sure that the 3rd party matches the ad network statistics. Many of our advertisers do this and we rarely have any impression discrepancies.
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    • Profile picture of the author ciggie
      My partner isn't a publisher. He runs a high traffic ecig website and you asked him to put the invisible iframe on his page. As you know, the ecig industry is small, we all are aware of each other.

      He said he spoke to Matt and Brad.

      You are a scam. Your customers need to know this.
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  • Profile picture of the author ciggie
    This will be my final comment on this, as obviously mlongley is just going to deny everything.

    Do not use ecigmedia. They are a scam. Instead reach out directly to website owners and form a relationship with them where they display your banner ad for a monthly fee. They won't be as organized as ecigmedia so it is unlikely they will jump through hoops to try to create fake impressions.

    It's a damn shame AdWords has banned ecig ads, as they appear to be the only legit ad company.
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    • Profile picture of the author mlongley
      Originally Posted by ciggie View Post

      This will be my final comment on this, as obviously mlongley is just going to deny everything.

      Do not use ecigmedia. They are a scam. Instead reach out directly to website owners and form a relationship with them where they display your banner ad for a monthly fee. They won't be as organized as ecigmedia so it is unlikely they will jump through hoops to try to create fake impressions.

      It's a damn shame AdWords has banned ecig ads, as they appear to be the only legit ad company.
      Hopefully it is quite obvious for those reading the thread that Ciggie is a competitor and not a past advertiser or publisher as he cannot produce anything of substance to support his claims.

      Ultimately here is the solution for advertisers worried about publishers or a network faking impressions.

      Track Conversions
      Don't focus on purchasing impressions. Focus on conversions! Have the network place a conversion pixel on your thank you page. Also, run your own conversion tracking through google analytics, an affiliate program(if you have one), or a third party ad server like doubleclick. Start with a small campaign, track the campaigns performance, tweak the campaign for better performance, and then scale your campaign.

      Compare conversion cost to LTV
      Typically the LTV (life time value) of a customer in the vaping industry is $500-$700. You can track LTV with software like kissmetrics, mixpanel, google analytics or most any attribution tracking platform. If you want to analyze your current customer database, you can use software like Metrilo or another solution that analyzes your e-commerce platforms customer purchase history. Once you know your LTV compare to the cost of a conversion. In general, most companies have a goal to acquire a customer for $100-$300.

      Optimize Campaign
      If you find that your cost per conversion is above avg then it is probably due to your targeting and or your offer. Show your results to the network and ask them to help you optimize your campaign. Because we are a smaller network we do this by default, but if you use a larger DSP or other network you may have to request assistance.

      Scale Campaign
      Once your campaign has a positive ROI ask the network to scale your offer as much as possible. Monitor conversion rates, track LTV, tweak campaigns, and update offers if they get stale.

      No network is perfect but we work with most of the top advertisers and publishers in the industry because we get results.

      Also, Adwords still works.... you just cant bid on the head of the search. Focus on terms that google doesn't automatically filter and send the traffic to landing pages that are compliant.
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  • Profile picture of the author ciggie
    I'm not a competitor. I don't recommend anyone uses any ecig related ad networks. I only trust Google AdWords, that's it.

    mlongley can't explain that code. He is trying to confuse the situation by posting unrelated replies. He has never explained that code because he can't. Because it is for creating fake impressions.
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