who here is making good money doing email, zip offers

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I have come to the conclusion from what I read that I cannot in good conscience promote rebill offers, of the acia berry etc kind due to ethical reasons, the likely hood of an FTC crack down,the risk of getting banned by google, and because of these reasons the lack of long term sustainability these type of offers present.

All of this has really put me on the back foot about cpa in general as im just getting into it and am now beginning to feel like this entire industry is on borrowed time.

Can you make good money with the email zip offers that pay out around $1 to $3. I have heard these convert better anyway. Is this true?

are you really scamming people by having them signing up for these ?

is it ok to promote them on ppc which is how i am planning to promote them ?
#email #good #making #money #offers #zip
  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    yes you can make good money, but it is getting harder.. you have to deal with the advertisers scrubbing and constant slaps from the search engines
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    • Profile picture of the author RAJ Wells
      what is scrubbing?

      if you get to many slaps can you get banned?

      are they really warnings?
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      • Profile picture of the author ex9to5guy
        Originally Posted by RAJ Wells View Post

        what is scrubbing?

        if you get to many slaps can you get banned?

        are they really warnings?

        what is scrubbing?
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  • Profile picture of the author MicahF7
    Hi Man,

    """I have come to the conclusion from what I read that I cannot in good conscience promote rebill offers, of the acia berry etc kind due to ethical reasons, the likely hood of an FTC crack down,the risk of getting banned by google, and because of these reasons the lack of long term sustainability these type of offers present."""


    Well, What you are saying makes sense, BUT in case you have not noticed, a ton of those free trail type offers are STILL up! And, THEY WILL ALWAYS BE UP!! There is just new ways of doing it.

    Let me assure you that not all of those offers are not scams, there are a lot of those offers that are fully legit in every way.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    There's a big difference between a scammy offer and a scammy way of promoting the offer...

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    • Profile picture of the author RAJ Wells
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      There's a big difference between a scammy offer and a scammy way of promoting the offer...

      what is the difference?
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  • Profile picture of the author YesIamSam
    Well, as my first post... a couple of things:

    1. Most of the major CPA networks aren't promoting scams... I'm not sure why you have a problem with them, but hey, to each his own. I make money from CPA, and I sleep pretty well doing it too.

    2. I doubt that the whole industry is on borrowed time. Perhaps in the format it is in now, but the concept of selling a product has been around since the first product came to be, and it will always be around.

    3. Why would you be "scamming" people by promoting e-mail or zip submits? I mean, the absolute worst thing that could happen is that they get some spam in their inbox. And yes, of course you can promote them with ppc. Social networks work very well with some of these, I do them on myspace all the time.

    @ PPC-Coach - I totally agree.
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    • Profile picture of the author RAJ Wells
      Originally Posted by YesIamSam View Post

      Well, as my first post... a couple of things:

      1. Most of the major CPA networks aren't promoting scams... I'm not sure why you have a problem with them, but hey, to each his own. I make money from CPA, and I sleep pretty well doing it too.

      2. I doubt that the whole industry is on borrowed time. Perhaps in the format it is in now, but the concept of selling a product has been around since the first product came to be, and it will always be around.

      3. Why would you be "scamming" people by promoting e-mail or zip submits? I mean, the absolute worst thing that could happen is that they get some spam in their inbox. And yes, of course you can promote them with ppc. Social networks work very well with some of these, I do them on myspace all the time.

      @ PPC-Coach - I totally agree.
      The reason I think that rebill offers are a scam is because in the small print deep in the terms and conditions (which most people dont bother to read) once you have payed for shipping and handling you have six days to cancel. or you are then billed monthly, for the full price of the product usually around $50. The only way to cancel is to call some help number which ive heard you cant get through on or else you end up paying for something you dont want and have great difficulty getting out of it. This is how they are able to pay affiliates $35 commissions and still make money.

      if they are going to put people on a monthly course they should be clear about that on the sales page, rather than sneaking it into the terms and conditions. This video along with other sources has let me to this conclusion


      My problem with email is that after reading the terms and conditions on a couple of offers is that they "reserve the right to share your email for marketing opportunities" surely this means that that email is going to hell with spam and the person would never have given their email had they known this.

      By the way i dont mean to sound all high and mighty or condescending to others and am genuinely interested in finding legit offers, Im just struggling to do that

      I found this on google

      So I posted this earlier but I am gonna do it again, since I am really in need of serious help!
      So I registered to http://www.my-internet-payday.com/ in hopes of money, and they didnt mention even once that I have to pay something else than 1dollar but after registering I found out that I must pay 79dollars every month and that they can share my credit card info aswell. So I tried to cancel my account but both the numbers there are out of order or I just cant call them from finland since I cant do marks like ( -- ) in my phone here.

      So how can I solve this problem and is this legal? They force me to stay as member and they have no email address there. Is it possible to call my bank and stop all payments to that corporation? Please help me I beg you!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    ****/google offers are good enough till they dont mis interprete their landing pages. They are selling something but users are being shown that they are being charged for trial only. But they actually charge their credit card heavily after few days every month.

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  • Profile picture of the author p2y
    Yes, many people make a full time income with email submits but you need to know how to "play the game" so to speak. Email and zip submits are notorious for shaving/scrubbing leads and as much as it sucks for affiliates, the advertisers don't really have a choice because of the HUGE amount of fraud/fake leads that goes on with these types of offers.

    The way they scrub is based on which network is sending good/bad quality leads, so if you see a email submit on copeac, maxbounty, and neverblue each one will have a different conversion rate depending on what the scrub rate for that network is. One network might convert at 10%, another 15%, and another 0%.

    The tricky part is that this number is always changing on a daily basis depending on which network is sending good leads, so in order to get around this problem you need to signup for as many networks as you can and have your affiliate links rotated, find which network is converting the best and then send all your traffic to that link until you notice a dip in conversion rates. Then repeat the process again with all the networks by rotating your links.

    It is time consuming, but well worth it Once you are able to generate decent volume (1,000+ leads a day) you should consider going direct with the advertiser so you can avoid this problem all together and get a slightly higher payout. But you will need to show them volume and quality first, otherwise they won't even talk to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author webatomic
      Originally Posted by p2y View Post

      Yes, many people make a full time income with email submits but you need to know how to "play the game" so to speak. Email and zip submits are notorious for shaving/scrubbing leads and as much as it sucks for affiliates, the advertisers don't really have a choice because of the HUGE amount of fraud/fake leads that goes on with these types of offers.

      The way they scrub is based on which network is sending good/bad quality leads, so if you see a email submit on copeac, maxbounty, and neverblue each one will have a different conversion rate depending on what the scrub rate for that network is. One network might convert at 10%, another 15%, and another 0%.

      The tricky part is that this number is always changing on a daily basis depending on which network is sending good leads, so in order to get around this problem you need to signup for as many networks as you can and have your affiliate links rotated, find which network is converting the best and then send all your traffic to that link until you notice a dip in conversion rates. Then repeat the process again with all the networks by rotating your links.

      It is time consuming, but well worth it Once you are able to generate decent volume (1,000+ leads a day) you should consider going direct with the advertiser so you can avoid this problem all together and get a slightly higher payout. But you will need to show them volume and quality first, otherwise they won't even talk to you.
      I'm just starting to notice this, although not only with zip and email submits. So I guess I need to stay on my toes and rotate offers constantly. So much for set it and forget it.
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  • Profile picture of the author YesIamSam
    Well, first of all, it's not your fault if people don't bother to read the terms. That's what they get for being lazy. But I do understand your point with some companies not even answering the phone, making it impossible for people to cancel a subscription. I'm with you on that one.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with a subscription plan, but sure, it could be a bit more visible on some of the landing pages.

    Try markethealth.com if you are into health products, they have a high standard and the products are usually easy to cancel for the customers.

    Yes, email submits are subject to lots of shaving. Use social networks, buysellads.com, or even call webmasters and ask for a spot on their website that has visitors of your demographic. You can check that via quantcast.com.
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    • Profile picture of the author leebo1010
      Most of my campaigns are direct links to email submits on Yahoo/MSN. The key for me has been to throw up as many campaigns as possible. Then quickly throw out any that are not converting. The ones that bring steady profits are earning $5-$10 a day, so I just launch as much as I can. I also use the poll method, but like the direct linking business model more.

      I just make sure to use straightforward adcopy and nothing misleading.

      As PPC-Coach says "There's a big difference between a scammy offer and a scammy way of promoting the offer..."
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      • Profile picture of the author RAJ Wells
        I hear msn yahoo converts badly but msybe im wrong . $5-10 a day you must have to have a ton of them to make decent money. do you find you get slapped much on msn and yahoo like people say happens on google?
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    The key to these things is finding a solid traffic source, then rotating a bunch of offers at it. When you find one or two that click, keep them and dump all the others. Milk that until something happens and meantime build another 5 campaigns.

    If emails or zip submits are against your ethics, that's fine. There is more to CPA offers then just email and zip submits.



    As a side note, I've seen a lot of courses and ebooks and Wso's on the cpa topic, yet some that people claim are "The best" do not ever mention scrubbing. How can that be? It's a huge part of the game, yet it's totally ignored.
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    • Profile picture of the author webatomic
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      The key to these things is finding a solid traffic source, then rotating a bunch of offers at it.
      Define "solid traffic source". I've yet to find a source of traffic I would describe as solid as in consistent from day to day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cash37
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      The key to these things is finding a solid traffic source, then rotating a bunch of offers at it. When you find one or two that click, keep them and dump all the others. Milk that until something happens and meantime build another 5 campaigns.

      If emails or zip submits are against your ethics, that's fine. There is more to CPA offers then just email and zip submits.



      As a side note, I've seen a lot of courses and ebooks and Wso's on the cpa topic, yet some that people claim are "The best" do not ever mention scrubbing. How can that be? It's a huge part of the game, yet it's totally ignored.
      In my ebook I warn about it. You need to rotate offers all the time. The sudden EPC drops suck.. Im using Myspace right now and CPC is nowhere as low as Google was. So my advice is if you do want to promote submits heavily be ready to deal with the BS of crap traffic and sudden EPC drops.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Scrubbing sucks.

    Futuremills - it's when the advertiser doesn't credit you for all the leads you generate
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  • Profile picture of the author YesIamSam
    You have to know your target audience. Different people search on google and on msn live. I have made good money using msn only, but I also choose my offers carefully... Key term: Research
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