OK, no seriously, does CPA really work?

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Hi guys,

The title of this thread point to the frustration I am experiencing with CPA marketing. I have been trying CPA marketing for just over a year now. I think I have all the boxes ticked, yet I am missing the boat somehow..

Am I approved at top cpa and affiliate networks?
Yes, Maxbounty, Peerfly, Adworkmedia, cpalead, cpagrip, mundomedia, vcommission, clickbetter, clicksure, clickbank, mgcash, clickdealer, shark games, etc etc etc

Have I worked through a CPA course?
I am looking at my CPA folder, there are 86! courses from one pagers to gigs of information. From "guru's" to people I have never heard of.

What methods have I tried?
black hat, white hat, grey hat, yellow hat, social ppc, bingads, google+, twitter, instagram, pinterest, facebbok, tumblr, blogs, media buying, etc etc Got many accounts blocked to prove it, then also popads, popcash, millenial media, buzz city, mobicow etc

Have I spoken to your AM's?
Yes, lots of times, more often than not it feels as if I know more than them (which is scary) and it seems like they are doing me this HUGE favor if they actually answer a question of mine. So no joy.

Have I spoken to other affiliates?
Plenty, NOBODY is willing to reveal working methods.

Do I belong to any forums?
Information overload! cpa hero, cpa elites, affiliatefix, warririoforum (here), etc

I guess I just wanted to know if I am the only one?

I mean, if guys like Charles Ngo, William Souza and others can be so successful, and you read on all the website tickers, abc made lifetime earnings of $86,000 etc...then I am not giving up!

Problem is, I have limited funds and are starting to run out of ideas...
#cpa #work
  • Profile picture of the author adamprince1981
    Have made some money doing CPA before. Not a lot its never been my main focus either. From seeing who has been successful at it though most of them have a list. What are your methods for doing CPA?
    I know you've tried lots of different techniques, but what one do you prefer and how long did you do it?
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by adamprince1981 View Post

      Have made some money doing CPA before. Not a lot its never been my main focus either. From seeing who has been successful at it though most of them have a list. What are your methods for doing CPA?
      I know you've tried lots of different techniques, but what one do you prefer and how long did you do it?
      Hey Adam, thanks for the reply. What I have mostly been doing it try and select an offer on a CPA Network, (ie. Mundo Media or Peerfly etc) with high CR and EPC, targeting a specific country (ie. UK or Mexico etc).

      Then I would make a banners or 2 (or have one made) if required and use the supplied creatives (ie lander/banner etc) of the CPA network. I would then but traffic at either mobicow,popads,popcash (because they are the cheapest), set the campaign parameters and let it run.

      I guess these "cheaper" ad networks might not work as well as the more expensive ones. Although it seems people have had success with them. I am still trying to figure out where I am going wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author kilgore
        Admittedly, I've never done CPA, but I do know a thing or two about online business. I also have quite a bit of experience with affiliate marketing -- which is essentially CPA marketing, but with the goal being specifically that you get people to buy something. So with that in mind, here are some more generally-focused thoughts.
        Does CPA really work?
        CPA (like an affiliate program) is a monetization method. It's not a business model. So when you ask, "Does it work?" the answer is obviously yes. If you can get people to do what you need to get them to do, you get paid. So in that very narrow sense, it's working.

        Of course, what's more interesting is how you get people to complete the action and how you attract people to your offers in the first place. But this has much more to do with developing a working business model than something unique to the monetization method called CPA.

        NOBODY is willing to reveal working methods
        Again, you're confusing methods with a business model. Methods are things you do to try to accomplish a certain goal. For instance, we get a lot of traffic to our site through social media, Facebook in particular. One "method" that we use is long form content and storytelling. (We're very different, but you can look at Humans of New York for another site that does this sort of thing.) But that's just one thing we do in one aspect of our business to help us accomplish one specific goal. In other words, it's a method. But it's not a business model. And moreover, it's not a method I'd recommend to everybody!

        You can think of the business model as the sum of the methods that we use, from our traffic strategies, to the types of content we put on the webiste, to the way we organize and lay out the content for usability and to increase conversions, to the monetization methods we use.

        So if you're looking for a "working method" that by itself will make you money, I think you'll be disappointed. There is no one single method that will do that. Instead you need to string together a bunch of methods into a business model. Some of these methods you can easily learn just by observing what others are doing. Some of these methods you might learn about by reading articles online or even taking a course. And some of these methods you'll have to make up for yourself. But all successful business models do three things: attract customers, provide value to those customers and monetize that value. Which methods you use to do those things will vary considerably. Each business is different. Each entrepreneur is different. Each niche is different.

        I mean, if guys like Charles Ngo, William Souza and others can be so successful...
        Again, I apologize for my ignorance of CPA -- I have no idea who those guys are. But keep in mind two things:
        1. Those guys are likely trying to sell you something. So even if they're good at selling CPA "methods", it doesn't necessarily follow that they're actually good at CPA -- doing something and teaching something are very different things. That's why in sports most coaches were not superstar players in their primes -- and few superstar players go on to become successful coaches.

        2. Even if they are amazing CPA marketers, it doesn't necessarily follow that it's going to work for you. It's not unlike me saying, LeBron James makes $24 million a year playing basketball -- so I'm definitely not giving up on being an NBA star!" Of course, the problem is, I'm under six feet tall. I can't shoot. And I'm pushing 40. The point is that the success of LeBron James on the basketball court tells me absolutely nothing about my own prospects for success in the NBA. Just as Ngo and Souza's success don't tell you anything about your own prospects in CPA.

        All this isn't to say that you can or can't be successful at CPA marketing. But you shouldn't plan out your entrepreneurial journey based on the success of others. You can always find someone who's been successful in some kind of business -- just as you can always trot out someone who's been unsuccessful. But that has no bearing on whether or not that type of business is right for you.

        Instead, take stock of your own skills, abilities, interests and resources and decide what you can offer that will really provide value in people's lives. What's the business model that's going to attract your customers, what are the products or services that you're going to provide that will help these customers, and how will you monetize your work? That might involve CPA marketing. But it might not.

        The real question isn't whether CPA marketing works. Rather you should be asking: What business model is right for me? And does CPA fit within that business model?

        Then you'll know if CPA works -- for you.

        Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Eagle07
    CPA marketing does works! If you have limited funds for doing media buys, it would be best to create a focused site and generate a lot of avid readers then endorse CPA offers and affiliate offers. I have burned a lot of for media buys before too and traffic from media buying sites are not that converting well this days. We got to look for fresh, responsive and highly converting traffic. You would have to consider the offer and the traffic source too if they are matched and highly targeted.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    I've been promoting CPA offers for 16+ years.

    I heavily promote PPL (pay per lead) offers because there in no credit card required to complete an offer. All a user has to do is fill out a form to make money. SO conversion rates are typically much higher than offers that require a purchase.

    I favor offers that have a make, get or save money angle to them, as they overall have worked the best for me and tend to have the greatest mass appeal. So the potential exists to produce high volume. I will still promote offers that don't have that angle or even some that require a sale, but I still look for mass appeal to exists. Having mass appeal has really been the key.

    Now, you can have a great offer, but if you can't drive traffic to it, it's not going to matter. When it comes to generating traffic, this is where I don't follow anything that the masses do or the experts say and why I have been so successful.

    I purchase data (email) and monetize it using PPL offers.I purchase fresh/targeted data that I know what the users are interested in and that there is a ppl offer that matches their interest. I generate real-time co-reg and target specific PPL offers. I also purchased aged data, which is a bit more complicated and some additional resources are needed to do.

    So essentially I'm spending the bulk of my adverting dollars on data, rather than paying for some form of advertising/traffic. So I'm building assets, that I then own and can market to them over and over at low cost. Where most others are just generating clicks, that they can't continue to market additional offers to.

    Many are going to say to never buy a list, However, there is a big difference between buying a list that you are then going to try and sell a very specific product or service, compared to strictly monetizing the data, using free offers that have mass appeal and pay well.

    Any data that you purchase isn't going to be nearly as responsive as something you personally developed. But you compensate for this with large volume, which is perfectly fine, because you can acquire it much quicker and much cheaper than if you developed it. The key is to then, clean and prune the poor data out and segment the remaining data into responsive and targeted subsets. So you are then mailing much less, but making much more for it's volume. Which you just keep repeating until you are capable of driving massive traffic that you own the source of.

    Obviously it's more involved, but it really does work. Everyone that I know that is in the business and knows what they are doing, does 6-7 figures. While that's a huge range, much comes down to ones ability to scale and effectively managing the infrastructure that comes with scaling.

    I hope that gives you something to think about.
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by DIABL0 View Post

      I've been promoting CPA offers for 16+ years.

      I heavily promote PPL (pay per lead) offers because there in no credit card required to complete an offer. All a user has to do is fill out a form to make money. SO conversion rates are typically much higher than offers that require a purchase.

      I favor offers that have a make, get or save money angle to them, as they overall have worked the best for me and tend to have the greatest mass appeal. So the potential exists to produce high volume. I will still promote offers that don't have that angle or even some that require a sale, but I still look for mass appeal to exists. Having mass appeal has really been the key.

      Now, you can have a great offer, but if you can't drive traffic to it, it's not going to matter. When it comes to generating traffic, this is where I don't follow anything that the masses do or the experts say and why I have been so successful.

      I purchase data (email) and monetize it using PPL offers.I purchase fresh/targeted data that I know what the users are interested in and that there is a ppl offer that matches their interest. I generate real-time co-reg and target specific PPL offers. I also purchased aged data, which is a bit more complicated and some additional resources are needed to do.

      So essentially I'm spending the bulk of my adverting dollars on data, rather than paying for some form of advertising/traffic. So I'm building assets, that I then own and can market to them over and over at low cost. Where most others are just generating clicks, that they can't continue to market additional offers to.

      Many are going to say to never buy a list, However, there is a big difference between buying a list that you are then going to try and sell a very specific product or service, compared to strictly monetizing the data, using free offers that have mass appeal and pay well.

      Any data that you purchase isn't going to be nearly as responsive as something you personally developed. But you compensate for this with large volume, which is perfectly fine, because you can acquire it much quicker and much cheaper than if you developed it. The key is to then, clean and prune the poor data out and segment the remaining data into responsive and targeted subsets. So you are then mailing much less, but making much more for it's volume. Which you just keep repeating until you are capable of driving massive traffic that you own the source of.

      Obviously it's more involved, but it really does work. Everyone that I know that is in the business and knows what they are doing, does 6-7 figures. While that's a huge range, much comes down to ones ability to scale and effectively managing the infrastructure that comes with scaling.

      I hope that gives you something to think about.
      Thank you for the detailed comment and sharing some of what you are doing. I once also thought that acquiring email list was the way to go as everyone kept saying "the money is in the list". So obviously I didn't have my own list and I tried solo ads a few times (rather unsuccessful). So I thought I had to "get" a list somehow and start sending these people specific offers and hope for the best (much like you).

      My one single biggest problem was finding decent software to send MANY mails at once without them being opt-in ?! I then just gave up on the idea and moved on. So if you could possibly share some "email blaster" software you have used, I would really appreciate it.

      16 years?! damn that's a long time, I guess you would be able to publish a book (or take someone under your wing) with all your experience and knowledge in the field.

      Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    CPA/Affiliate marketing does work.
    I know many people (including myself) who are making money from it.

    Can you share details on what you have tried? I don't mean what you have listed, I mean very specific, which offers, how did you target, which traffic sources, etc..

    If you can share what you have done, it will be easier for us to help you.
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by ChrisBa View Post

      CPA/Affiliate marketing does work.
      I know many people (including myself) who are making money from it.

      Can you share details on what you have tried? I don't mean what you have listed, I mean very specific, which offers, how did you target, which traffic sources, etc..

      If you can share what you have done, it will be easier for us to help you.
      Hi Chris.

      So I have tried alot of offers across the board and across CPA networks, from Payday Loans to Win and Iphone/voucher/car/prodcut to game installs etc. I kind of bounced around alot as nothing seem to work.

      I have tried the following "cheaper" Ad networks as my funds are very limited. popads.net, popcash, mobicow,buzz city,millenial media so mostly popup/under traffic which seems to be the worst (except buzz and millenial which I provided banners),

      I will include 2 screenshots of offers I have tried in the last six months. That being said, I have only ever got leads (got paid) using the following:

      1. Desktop MMORPG game installs from sharkgames in germany using popads.net (7 leasds)
      2. Starbucks Voucher offer in Luxembourg from MGCash pin submit using Twitter (my account has since been disabled). (1 lead)
      3. Whatsapp Desktop offer on Mgcash (content lock) in south africa pin submit using popads.net (3 leads)
      4. Win a car offer in Denmark (pin submit) Mgcash using popads.net (1 lead)
      5. Win an ipad offer on mgcash in Estonia pin submit using popads.net (1 lead)
      6. Apple product offer on mgcash in Denmark pin submit using popads.net (3 leads)

      I am running everything through Adsbridge tracking.

      Making a total of around $30 and spending almost $500. Really very sad.

      Well, I tried to describe in as much detail as I could.

      Here are some Mgcash campaigns:


      Here are some popads campaigns:


      Regards

      Pierre
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  • Profile picture of the author TB Ann
    CPA is really very easy living making term, I am depend on it since 2011 and still doing it.
    No way to drop CPA.
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    • Profile picture of the author JoeFerguson
      Originally Posted by TB Ann View Post

      CPA is really very easy living making term, I am depend on it since 2011 and still doing it.
      No way to drop CPA.
      Saying CPA is easy is not true at all. It takes time and hard work and even then nothing is guaranteed. That being said there are plenty of ways to still be successful at it.

      Sorry to hear you're having a hard time finding success, Barnap. I will say that many of MaxBounty's affiliates find success by choosing one traffic source or niche, and focusing on it heavily. Is it possible that you're switching between too many sources or strategies?

      From what I've gathered you're sending traffic from Europe, and have had some success with a couple of gaming and sweepstakes offers. If you want to, I'd like to get you in touch with your MaxBounty Affiliate Manager to look at some viable options going forward for your promotional methods, as well as the types of campaigns you're promoting. Hopefully we can get you on a better path that will lead to more conversions and success.

      Send me a PM with your affiliate ID# and we can go from there.
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      • Profile picture of the author barnarp
        Originally Posted by JoeFerguson View Post

        Saying CPA is easy is not true at all. It takes time and hard work and even then nothing is guaranteed. That being said there are plenty of ways to still be successful at it.

        Sorry to hear you're having a hard time finding success, Barnap. I will say that many of MaxBounty's affiliates find success by choosing one traffic source or niche, and focusing on it heavily. Is it possible that you're switching between too many sources or strategies?

        From what I've gathered you're sending traffic from Europe, and have had some success with a couple of gaming and sweepstakes offers. If you want to, I'd like to get you in touch with your MaxBounty Affiliate Manager to look at some viable options going forward for your promotional methods, as well as the types of campaigns you're promoting. Hopefully we can get you on a better path that will lead to more conversions and success.

        Send me a PM with your affiliate ID# and we can go from there.
        I agree with this statement 100%, because it is the truth for once ------->
        Saying CPA is easy is not true at all. It takes time and hard work and even then nothing is guaranteed.

        As you said, although that statement is true, I agree that there MUST be many ways to somehow make a decent income from CPA. But for a newbie (like me), information overload, hype and BS will keep you running around in circles and keep you from focussing on the correct way.

        I never had one conversion from Maxbounty, despite trying a lot of offers. I would indeed appreciate your help. My existing AM is not much help at all, hence I gave up on MB altogether.

        PM on its way.
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by TB Ann View Post

      CPA is really very easy living making term, I am depend on it since 2011 and still doing it.
      No way to drop CPA.
      Hi TB Ann,

      If you were a first time poster, I would have disregarded your statement as severe over exaggerating, but I see you have been around a long time on this forum so there might be some validity to what you are saying.

      I have experience the exact opposite, but could you maybe elaborate a bit more how you are able to make an easy living from CPA in general?

      Thanks

      Pierre
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  • Profile picture of the author DRP
    OP, I'd advise you to disregard anyone telling you that they make money doing this or that. Unless someone is willing to show definitive proof of such declarative statements, you can rest assured knowing that they're lying. ::gasp:; I know, people do that! Especially when they're online hiding behind a screen. Who would have thought? After all, when you're online, you can pretend to be anyone and or do anything! Food for thought!
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  • Profile picture of the author 55sadhikar
    Information overload is typical, its natural to look for mystery and secrets that will unlock the bank vault and flood u with money. But at the end of the day any traffic source could work (e.g. Passing flyers, facebook, google) if they don't work they will cease to exist/die out. I agree there are good traffic source and bad, everybody is trying to get your credit card. Success lies in breaking apart an offer, if an offer work, know why it work, if it failed learn why it failed. Cpa offers usually win iPhone, $100 cash is a no go zone area, why ? Because once the person opts in they will have to complete offers like free trial and what not before the person gives up dreaming about having new iPhone 6s or $100 visa gift card. It essentially a trap. Dating, finance, trial offers are legit offers and they can work depending on how you approach a prospect. And its trial and error but never quit learning. If you can convert cpa offers using leadimpact u can market that as a wso and double triple your losses from ads/offers test. People want to know what makes a offer fail and what can they do to avoid it. A failed offer can also be incorporated in your wso guide. It will gives newbies to avoid repeat same mistakes like u did
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by 55sadhikar View Post

      Information overload is typical, its natural to look for mystery and secrets that will unlock the bank vault and flood u with money. But at the end of the day any traffic source could work (e.g. Passing flyers, facebook, google) if they don't work they will cease to exist/die out. I agree there are good traffic source and bad, everybody is trying to get your credit card. Success lies in breaking apart an offer, if an offer work, know why it work, if it failed learn why it failed. Cpa offers usually win iPhone, $100 cash is a no go zone area, why ? Because once the person opts in they will have to complete offers like free trial and what not before the person gives up dreaming about having new iPhone 6s or $100 visa gift card. It essentially a trap. Dating, finance, trial offers are legit offers and they can work depending on how you approach a prospect. And its trial and error but never quit learning. If you can convert cpa offers using leadimpact u can market that as a wso and double triple your losses from ads/offers test. People want to know what makes a offer fail and what can they do to avoid it. A failed offer can also be incorporated in your wso guide. It will gives newbies to avoid repeat same mistakes like u did
      You make very valid points sadhikar.

      Which brings me to a point I always wondered about. The "sweepstakes" type offers like Win an Iphone6. ALOT of people tell newbie's these are the offers to start with, and I did, but after a while, I saw that even 7000 views and no conversions ??? WHY?

      Then I thought, would I complete such an offer? Hell no! Like pin submits is actually "hoping" you can trap the person to subscribe at $x / day... in hopes of winning something I know they will never win! How ethical is that? Or are we not suppose to care about morality as marketers?

      To make things worse with "easy" email submits ...it is NOT just submitting an email address, there are actually MORE personal information to be submitted before a conversion will take place. And most people are not willing to give out personal information just to win something, only gullible people will do that. So are we then preying on gullible people in hopes to make a dollar or two...I really hope not.

      But the information I have experienced is contrary from what the CPA companies are telling me....just this week this offer was in the top 10 BEST PERFORMING offers, along with 3 other "Win an Iphone6" offers ------>

      [WEB/WAP] Win an iPhone 6S - SOI - Tier 2 - US $2.45 CR: 6.88%

      HOW is that possible...Could their stats not be 100%? Could they somehow inflate stats for certain offers to get marketers to deliberately promote these "top" offers more? Surely, that is unthinkable?
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      • Profile picture of the author 55sadhikar
        Originally Posted by barnarp View Post

        You make very valid points sadhikar.

        Which brings me to a point I always wondered about. The "sweepstakes" type offers like Win an Iphone6. ALOT of people tell newbie's these are the offers to start with, and I did, but after a while, I saw that even 7000 views and no conversions ??? WHY?

        Then I thought, would I complete such an offer? Hell no! Like pin submits is actually "hoping" you can trap the person to subscribe at $x / day... in hopes of winning something I know they will never win! How ethical is that? Or are we not suppose to care about morality as marketers?

        To make things worse with "easy" email submits ...it is NOT just submitting an email address, there are actually MORE personal information to be submitted before a conversion will take place. And most people are not willing to give out personal information just to win something, only gullible people will do that. So are we then preying on gullible people in hopes to make a dollar or two...I really hope not.

        But the information I have experienced is contrary from what the CPA companies are telling me....just this week this offer was in the top 10 BEST PERFORMING offers, along with 3 other "Win an Iphone6" offers ------>

        [WEB/WAP] Win an iPhone 6S - SOI - Tier 2 - US $2.45 CR: 6.88%

        HOW is that possible...Could their stats not be 100%? Could they somehow inflate stats for certain offers to get marketers to deliberately promote these "top" offers more? Surely, that is unthinkable?
        This is usually done in survey style Landers. You could have a pop on top of warriorforum.com and ask bunch of questions. Like how did u got on warriorforum, how much money u make, are u male or female, where do you live etc. And finally after survey is completed the visitor is then asked to sign up for a chance to win iPhone6. This it turns out is more psychology intertwined. I hear people are more likely to do things D and E if they have already done A, B and C. It's natural if u buy a product , u more likely to buy an upsell and it is motivated more likely that you'll be missing out a lot if you don't buy upsell. Sometimes marketers trap you to buy upsell. I mean think about it, how likely are u to buy an upsell if they teach u how to promote cpa offers from facebook, the upsell could give extra tutorials to promote cpa offers with Bing, google adwords, solo ads, ad networks etc. The fear of loss is huge and u end up buying everything under the sun until your credit card is maxed out.
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  • Profile picture of the author HCFGrizzly
    Originally Posted by barnarp View Post

    Hi guys,

    What methods have I tried?
    black hat, white hat, grey hat, yellow hat, social ppc, bingads, google+, twitter, instagram, pinterest, facebbok, tumblr, blogs, media buying, etc etc Got many accounts blocked to prove it, then also popads, popcash, millenial media, buzz city, mobicow etc
    Just out of curiosity: How much time did you spend on each method?
    It looks to me that this is text book shinny object syndrome.
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by HCFGrizzly View Post

      Just out of curiosity: How much time did you spend on each method?
      It looks to me that this is text book shinny object syndrome.
      Hi Grizzly,

      I think I might know why you would be asking that question, and yes, indeed the shiny object syndrome is a problem with marketers still trying to find their stride.

      I see my "jumping around" as more of a journey to establish what exactly is out there and what options are available to marketers. I think there is nothing wrong testing different methods, but surely, at least ONE should give you a glimmer of hope that it could work.

      I know people in the industry say...stick to one niche...master one traffic source etc. The problem with that is (if you are limited wrt funds) which one do you try first? and how long should you keep trying until you realise it is not working? And then again, maybe it is working but you are doing something wrong somewhere like tracking or wrong traffic type or wrong traffic source....there are just so many variables to consider.

      Not even any of the AM's I was dealing with would say ..YOU should now promote offer XYZ and use only popunder traffic and only do it from 12am to 4am... They are always vague and leave you to your own devices.

      That said, I really doubt if the CPA game is for people with little or no money to spare.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPAleadJustin
    Hi there Barnarp!
    You stated you have an account with us but unsure if we have spoken before, there has been some great info here on this thread but I'll be happy to talk with you and see what we can do in our system you maximize earnings!

    Regards,
    Justin
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  • Profile picture of the author langdont
    Im going to honest barnarp, I to have been in the same boat as you. Ive tried everything under the sun. Purchased I dont know how many cpa proven success ebooks and its all the same rehashed crap. And when I devoted 6 months to each of them... I still ended up with nothing. 4 Years and counting! But rest assured, there was still more people trying to market more marketing junk to me everyday, as my email gets bombbarded from all the GURUS! Right now Im buying traffic in the adult niche with traffichaus, and I have spent XXX dollars in the last year and I still cant get anything to convert to the point of being profitable. I too have the same issues as you, AM are vague with the info they give you. I have gotten some very useful tips here from some awesome people... I do THank the warrior forum for that, but Im still unsuccessful. Im to the point where, Im just tired of spending money hoping that each ebook I get lays out a decent strategy, rather then the usual go to instagram, make account, buy dot com, insert cpa affiliate link, and make bank. I think what we need is a mentor, and finding one of them that will help you out, from the goodness of there heart is not gonna happen. And do you really spend 2000 dollars on mentorship? Or is it going to be like buying all the shitty ebooks, but instead your getting ripped 2G. If I find something that works though, I'll let you know, as I certainly understand what its like to be in this position with IM. All the best Barnarp! Hope you make it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Casper Hanson
    A targeted email list in the health niche use to be hungry for trial offers for all sorts of powders
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by Casper Hanson View Post

      A targeted email list in the health niche use to be hungry for trial offers for all sorts of powders
      Used to be?
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      • Profile picture of the author HCFGrizzly
        Originally Posted by barnarp View Post

        Used to be?
        I bet people still are. I`m not doing any email marketing at the moment, but I`m working with a supplement company.
        We had a free trial offer and I can say that it worked pretty well.
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        • Profile picture of the author barnarp
          Originally Posted by HCFGrizzly View Post

          I bet people still are. I`m not doing any email marketing at the moment, but I`m working with a supplement company.
          We had a free trial offer and I can say that it worked pretty well.
          That is good to hear. Is it a US offer?
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  • Profile picture of the author susanlisa
    Hey, CPA marketing also looks good to me, and I was interested and found out something cool.

    Most of people join a CPA Network, and Promote offers. They use PPV Networks are Traffic source, like TrafficVance and LeadImpact.
    LeadImpact is easy to join, and there bid is around $0.015. Which means If you invest $10 a day you will get 666 views, It a big gamble, If you are able to get people signing up from these 666, lets say 20 people and you get $2 for each you will make good money.

    But its not the case everytime. Some offers are good while others are not. So you may loose money. Plus, Tracking is really good, So you can look after what sources make you money and all you do is to make new campaign and target those sites.

    Hope this may help you
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by susanlisa View Post

      Hey, CPA marketing also looks good to me, and I was interested and found out something cool.

      Most of people join a CPA Network, and Promote offers. They use PPV Networks are Traffic source, like TrafficVance and LeadImpact.
      LeadImpact is easy to join, and there bid is around $0.015. Which means If you invest $10 a day you will get 666 views, It a big gamble, If you are able to get people signing up from these 666, lets say 20 people and you get $2 for each you will make good money.

      But its not the case everytime. Some offers are good while others are not. So you may loose money. Plus, Tracking is really good, So you can look after what sources make you money and all you do is to make new campaign and target those sites.

      Hope this may help you
      Thanks for your comment SusanLisa. I am pretty much doing the same thing, but with much cheaper (read lower quality) popup/popunder traffic. I believe LeadImpact/TrafficVance requires a $500-$1000 upfront deposit.

      What I am struggling with right now is converting clicks to leads. Like to day again I have a rather high CTR on my landing pages but no conversions...
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by susanlisa View Post

      Hey, CPA marketing also looks good to me, and I was interested and found out something cool.

      Most of people join a CPA Network, and Promote offers. They use PPV Networks are Traffic source, like TrafficVance and LeadImpact.
      LeadImpact is easy to join, and there bid is around $0.015. Which means If you invest $10 a day you will get 666 views, It a big gamble, If you are able to get people signing up from these 666, lets say 20 people and you get $2 for each you will make good money.

      But its not the case everytime. Some offers are good while others are not. So you may loose money. Plus, Tracking is really good, So you can look after what sources make you money and all you do is to make new campaign and target those sites.

      Hope this may help you
      I don't think PPV converts as well as 20 conversions from 666 views because PPV is popup type traffic. Have you got that sort of conversion rate from PPV?

      Recently, I read an ebook about PPV from a Warrior. I got the impression that PPV is very difficult and requires loads of testing just to find offers you can make any sort of ROI on.
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by healthCPAguy View Post

      CPA is working for sure! I've made about $18k within 2 weeks of using some secret method. http://i.imgur.com/6z8uf0v.png contact me if interested.
      Impressive. Would like to learn more.
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      • Profile picture of the author nortong
        With all the information you have collected you could write a very good tutorial on how to be successful in CPA - that's what most of the other guys are doing!

        CPA and affiliate selling is really all a load of bunkum, why bang your head against a brick wall? It simply does not work, never will. You have been sold the ridiculous dream by the so called experts who write the CPA courses, it's a huge con trick - BUT..... one week of collating all your CPA knowledge and publishing it - voila, that is where the money is, be like them!! Not very ethical but, hey, that's what this myth of IM is all about. Trouble is it took ten years for the penny to drop for me.
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        • Profile picture of the author barnarp
          Originally Posted by nortong View Post

          With all the information you have collected you could write a very good tutorial on how to be successful in CPA - that's what most of the other guys are doing!

          CPA and affiliate selling is really all a load of bunkum, why bang your head against a brick wall? It simply does not work, never will. You have been sold the ridiculous dream by the so called experts who write the CPA courses, it's a huge con trick - BUT..... one week of collating all your CPA knowledge and publishing it - voila, that is where the money is, be like them!! Not very ethical but, hey, that's what this myth of IM is all about. Trouble is it took ten years for the penny to drop for me.
          Hi Nortong, I get what you are saying, and it looks to be the trend. I guess I am still under the illusion that somehow, it is real, so I am searching for evidence daily.

          I noticed you are a war room member, no real info there? Also, I would really like to subscribe to the "Stack The Money" forum one day just for a month to see what the "gurus" are sharing. Surely the real stuff must be there?
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        • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
          CPA works, if you can produce cost effective / quality traffic to offers. That's the real bottom line! Which is also why a lot fail trying it, because it's not as easy as it's made out to be by many.

          Also, as I always mention when it comes to CPA, run PPL offers, because they are free offers and no purchase is required to complete. So you will typically see much higher conversion

          If you can't produce the traffic. Then think about creating you own PPL offer. This is what I would do, hands down! Granted, there's a bunch of work, but there is no product to create, source and sell. It's just information, so you need is a form. Now you do need to optimize it and get buyers for the leads. However, if you create an offer that converts well, it's not hard to get affiliates to run it. Plus, you control the entire process and get to monetize the thank you traffic and you get to keep a copy of all the data and can monetize it as well. Just my 2 cents.
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          • Profile picture of the author GodOfCPA
            The reality of CPA is that most people pushing their "methods" lucked out on a traffic source and made a bunch of money that they blew on lame stuff like "popping bottles at the club" every night, and then the conversions dried up and now they cannot profit and have to sell garbage to rubes to make ends meet. Or even worse, they never made a dime in CPA and their only income source is pushing scammy "courses".

            If you look closely at this thread you can see it in action. People claiming to make money on CPA but for some reason they have to push some ridiculous "course" or other garbage in their signature. One guy posts a fake screenshot showing 18k in earnings and says he'll reveal all if you PM him. Another guy blathers on about earning CPA money through buying email lists (a lie) and happens to have a link to related garbage course claiming to teach people how to do the same.

            Why would they do that if they really knew how to drive traffic and convert it? It is a zero sum game, so "revealing your methods" is simply losing money. I can't stress enough that all so-called experts and coaches in CPA are failures that stumbled onto techniques but couldn't replicate their success. Anybody with real experience in CPA knows that converting offers at a profit requires walking into legal grey areas that You Do Not Talk About Publicly. Not just because it exposes you legally (there is big money in this and FTC wants their cut) but also because this stuff stops working when competition gets to intense.

            Leave the "methods" to kids wanting pocket change. If you don't have 5-10k to blow on learning what goes into driving and converting traffic for offers, go get a job and save up money. This isn't for amateurs any more, most of the profitable traffic sources won't even talk to an obvious one-man-show -- they want professionals with real businesses who understand the legal and technical aspects of online marketing.

            There are no friends in business, especially when the business is semi-legal and the easy money is drying up. So you will never be "taught" how to make money in CPA just because you ask. If you are unwilling to invest the time and money into learning what goes into this for yourself, you have already failed. The internet really does allow you to reverse engineer the basics to find a starting point, and from there it is all about throwing money into developing more advanced tactics that give you an edge. How are you going to get an edge from reading some course that anybody can read?

            The successful CPA guys develop their own "cloakers" and/or their own ad networks and propriety traffic sources plus they develop real world relationships with the advertisers and networks and a solid business presence. They don't just sign up for Lead Impact and expect to make profits with some played out LP pushing some played out offer. You can still make a lot of money on LI, but you won't find out how on Box of Ads or from the "advice" of your affiliate manager.
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            • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
              Originally Posted by GodOfCPA View Post

              Another guy blathers on about earning CPA money through buying email lists (a lie) and happens to have a link to related garbage course claiming to teach people how to do the same.
              Wow you just called me a liar. Clearly you are no GodOfCPA, because you don't know jack about monetizing data.

              If you ever took the time to click my link, it doesn't go to anything about a course, it's a PDF file that actually explains what I do (I don't even ask for an opt-in) and if someone contacts me to ask more about it, I actually provide them with a bunch of free information.

              Maybe your blackhat cloaker crap is drying up and your too afraid of competition. I have been monetizing data for so long and it will likely never dry up, that I don't mind talking about it...and I don't do anything that I have to worry about the FTC or legal ramifications.

              Sounds to me like that your not doing very well and if anyone is, you are threatened by it and call them liars.

              So bite me LoserOfCPA.
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              • Profile picture of the author barnarp
                Interesting conversation guys. Good to get viewpoints from different players in the industry. Something I also wonder about is WHY would someone really share their successful methods and ideas? Surely it would just create more competition?

                Kinda off-topic, I came across this "private" forum: Powerhouse Affiliate - Premium Affiliate Training

                Anyone a member or familiar with it? I wonder how it compares to STM or Affpaying? It looks a bit more affordable.
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                • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
                  Originally Posted by barnarp View Post

                  Interesting conversation guys. Good to get viewpoints from different players in the industry. Something I also wonder about is WHY would someone really share their successful methods and ideas? Surely it would just create more competition?
                  Depends on how big your market is.

                  I specifically tell people about PPL (Lead Generation) and Email Marketing / Buying Data. I could never reach enough people that would ever put a dent in my income, because the market is so huge.

                  Also, I build custom software for the data monetization business. So if someone does get into the business, they may come back and buy something from me in the future.

                  To your point, there are some things that I would never reveal. Like I would never tell anyone a specific offer I'm running or who my data sources are (however I would help someone get data and tell them what verticals are good to try). The biggest reason why, is not that I don't want that one person to know, but I don't know what they will do with that info.

                  Now if someone has come up with some unique strategy, that is not well know and is working really well. Then it would be crazy to reveal it, if it could deteriorate their market share..

                  I have no doubt, that some are just selling people a pipe dream and essentially ripping them off.
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                  • Profile picture of the author irawr
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                    Originally Posted by DIABL0 View Post

                    To your point, there are some things that I would never reveal. Like I would never tell anyone a specific offer I'm running or who my data sources are (however I would help someone get data and tell them what verticals are good to try). The biggest reason why, is not that I don't want that one person to know, but I don't know what they will do with that info.
                    Damn, the only things I need to know you won't tell.

                    To Barnarp, it works but I get my mailing lists from opt in forms on my websites and 95%+ of the traffic is free organic traffic. I also stick to pretty fuzzy bunny offers (lately) where I can somehow spin this into the appearance that I am exposing the prospect to the offer in a way that appears to benefit them.

                    I don't do any fancy stuff like DIABL0 (not that I wouldn't be all over it.)

                    Also if you didn't know that using advertising as a traffic source was extremely involved and difficult I don't know what to tell you. It's rough and the legit guys spend months working on a single offer testing tons of different things. Blackhat techniques are definitely not a requirement to make money, not sure what the other guy was talking about.

                    To GodofCPA:

                    Dude, 5-10k is pocket change. You're talking about a space where low ROI is the norm. 115 vs 10k is a waste of my time unless I get paid every day and can spend it all continuously. 15% growth on 10k a day sure. If I'm waiting longer then a week to get paid, no thanks. I'd rather just go make a bunch more Facebook accounts and pay nothing for the traffic. That way my 10k isn't tied up.
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                    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
                      Originally Posted by irawr View Post

                      Dude, 5-10k is pocket change..
                      I seriously have a LOOONNGGG way to go! For me, those are insane figures.
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                      • Profile picture of the author irawr
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                        Originally Posted by barnarp View Post

                        I seriously have a LOOONNGGG way to go! For me, those are insane figures.
                        For capital? Yeah, that's chump change. Seriously. You have to understand like I said, if the campaign generates a 115% ROI, then I spent 10k to get 11.5k back. If it takes a month to get paid, I only make $1500 a month. You also might not be able to spend that fast. There's lots of variables. 215% I'd wait the month, sure. That's 11.5k a month profit, but the markets are pretty seriously competitive now, I doubt you're going to run a campaign like that unless it's your own product or you're building an email list and totaling the profit over say 6 months, which really isn't the right way to run that calculation, but you could.

                        Edit: Most trackers will count an ROI of 0 as breakeven and you lose money when it's negative. This isn't consistent with anything else in the business world. If your investment was 100 dollars, and the return was 0%, 100*0 = 0. So you have no money. It doesn't work in leveraged situations either, so if you have a line of credit, a negative ROI would mean your liabilities are expanding. Which might be completely fine depending on the situation obviously.

                        Say we do have the ability to buy on volume and say we get paid every 2 weeks. 115% ROI is great here on 100k spend. 32K a month profit is great for most people obviously. This is why I really recommend free traffic techniques to anybody who is new to affiliate/cpa marketing. If you're generating $1,500 for free (especially if it's a website and the money just keeps coming in) and then start with 5k capital, you can scale pretty quickly and if you can't get anything to work with paid techniques, you just wait to get paid from the free techniques and try again.

                        Personally, I got my completely legit IM business rolling with Ebay and then an eCommerce business, so the money generated from those businesses built me websites, I use that traffic to test offers for free, then in the odd case something does pop off, I already know the offer works, and I have an idea on what to pay for traffic. Source of choice for me is banners since I'm oldschool and I used to cheat all the banner exchange sites back in the day so I just have a ton of experience with banners.

                        I have a pop/viral site (think stupid garbage you see on FB) that gets about 15k UV/day from social media that runs an ad server where I test banners in the above the fold placements, for free, just testing offers. It's the only reason I own the site.

                        Originally Posted by HCFGrizzly View Post

                        How long have you been involved in IM?
                        Since 1996, I got started by bulk mailing for adult media companies and anybody else who paid. There were some gaps here and there where I did other things (like college) for a few years.
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                        • Profile picture of the author HCFGrizzly
                          Originally Posted by irawr View Post


                          Since 1996, I got started by bulk mailing for adult media companies and anybody else who paid. There were some gaps here and there where I did other things (like college) for a few years.
                          Damn...20 years. And I though I had experience working for the last 3-4 years in IM.
                          Guess I need to grow a little older )
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                    • Profile picture of the author HCFGrizzly
                      Originally Posted by irawr View Post


                      Dude, 5-10k is pocket change. You're talking about a space where low ROI is the norm. 115 vs 10k is a waste of my time unless I get paid every day and can spend it all continuously. 15% growth on 10k a day sure. If I'm waiting longer then a week to get paid, no thanks. I'd rather just go make a bunch more Facebook accounts and pay nothing for the traffic. That way my 10k isn't tied up.
                      How long have you been involved in IM?
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  • Profile picture of the author Yew Heng
    There are some Ad Network where you pay a fees to join. And for you to earn money, you just have to click a number of times a day to watch some advertisements. But the problem is that most of those watching the advertisements are paid to watch and may not be interested in the advertisements. Do this model work for advertisers? Any comments?
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by Yew Heng View Post

      There are some Ad Network where you pay a fees to join. And for you to earn money, you just have to click a number of times a day to watch some advertisements. But the problem is that most of those watching the advertisements are paid to watch and may not be interested in the advertisements. Do this model work for advertisers? Any comments?
      I guess it must work or advertisers wouldn't use the platform. It doesn't sound effective though because people are clicking the ads for pennies, not because they are interested in the ad. It probably works because the advertisers are paying such a small amount per click, so the lack of quality in the traffic is offset by the very low CPC.
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  • Profile picture of the author bOffers
    Have you tried working with education offers on CPA basis? Their main benefit is that the target audience here is very broad as it focuses on students. Students fall into various verticals - education, dating, adult, gaming, gambling etc.

    Besides, payment for edu offers more often more starts at $10 and can reach up to $600 (if you work on Rev/Share model).

    So, open up new horizons for your marketing!
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by bOffers View Post

      Have you tried working with education offers on CPA basis? Their main benefit is that the target audience here is very broad as it focuses on students. Students fall into various verticals - education, dating, adult, gaming, gambling etc.

      Besides, payment for edu offers more often more starts at $10 and can reach up to $600 (if you work on Rev/Share model).

      So, open up new horizons for your marketing!
      Thanks boffers,are you talking along the lines of this as an example?
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  • Profile picture of the author article1960
    I use to create comments in the comment section of porn sites put a addlink to a profile in the portfolio and people would click it constantly, nearly every video. doesn't cost any cash and its something that worked for me
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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    Originally Posted by GodOfCPA View Post

    The reality of CPA is that most people pushing their "methods" lucked out on a traffic source and made a bunch of money that they blew on lame stuff like "popping bottles at the club" every night, and then the conversions dried up and now they cannot profit and have to sell garbage to rubes to make ends meet. Or even worse, they never made a dime in CPA and their only income source is pushing scammy "courses".

    If you look closely at this thread you can see it in action. People claiming to make money on CPA but for some reason they have to push some ridiculous "course" or other garbage in their signature. One guy posts a fake screenshot showing 18k in earnings and says he'll reveal all if you PM him. Another guy blathers on about earning CPA money through buying email lists (a lie) and happens to have a link to related garbage course claiming to teach people how to do the same.

    Why would they do that if they really knew how to drive traffic and convert it? It is a zero sum game, so "revealing your methods" is simply losing money. I can't stress enough that all so-called experts and coaches in CPA are failures that stumbled onto techniques but couldn't replicate their success. Anybody with real experience in CPA knows that converting offers at a profit requires walking into legal grey areas that You Do Not Talk About Publicly. Not just because it exposes you legally (there is big money in this and FTC wants their cut) but also because this stuff stops working when competition gets to intense.

    Leave the "methods" to kids wanting pocket change. If you don't have 5-10k to blow on learning what goes into driving and converting traffic for offers, go get a job and save up money. This isn't for amateurs any more, most of the profitable traffic sources won't even talk to an obvious one-man-show -- they want professionals with real businesses who understand the legal and technical aspects of online marketing.

    There are no friends in business, especially when the business is semi-legal and the easy money is drying up. So you will never be "taught" how to make money in CPA just because you ask. If you are unwilling to invest the time and money into learning what goes into this for yourself, you have already failed. The internet really does allow you to reverse engineer the basics to find a starting point, and from there it is all about throwing money into developing more advanced tactics that give you an edge. How are you going to get an edge from reading some course that anybody can read?

    The successful CPA guys develop their own "cloakers" and/or their own ad networks and propriety traffic sources plus they develop real world relationships with the advertisers and networks and a solid business presence. They don't just sign up for Lead Impact and expect to make profits with some played out LP pushing some played out offer. You can still make a lot of money on LI, but you won't find out how on Box of Ads or from the "advice" of your affiliate manager.
    Originally Posted by DIABL0 View Post

    Wow you just called me a liar. Clearly you are no GodOfCPA, because you don't know jack about monetizing data.

    If you ever took the time to click my link, it doesn't go to anything about a course, it's a PDF file that actually explains what I do (I don't even ask for an opt-in) and if someone contacts me to ask more about it, I actually provide them with a bunch of free information.

    Maybe your blackhat cloaker crap is drying up and your too afraid of competition. I have been monetizing data for so long and it will likely never dry up, that I don't mind talking about it...and I don't do anything that I have to worry about the FTC or legal ramifications.

    Sounds to me like that your not doing very well and if anyone is, you are threatened by it and call them liars.

    So bite me LoserOfCPA.


    CPA and Drama like Peanut butter and jelly.

    Both of you make damn good points.

    And the fact that so many people keep their cards on CPA so close to the vest is exactly how guys like me made a mint sharing everything we knew and could find on the subject to help newbies years ago.

    For me I used and collected White hat CPA methods in action and just shared it and people ate it up.

    Others just went to Blackhat threads and found hit it and quit it methods and slapped together a WSO on the subject and then went on a vacation.

    But there are many ways to attack CPA and the more clever and more successful it is the more of a secret it will remain for obvious reasons and that exact fact keeps the door open to hungry people willing to invest to learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author barnarp
      Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

      CPA and Drama like Peanut butter and jelly.

      Both of you make damn good points.

      And the fact that so many people keep their cards on CPA so close to the vest is exactly how guys like me made a mint sharing everything we knew and could find on the subject to help newbies years ago.

      For me I used and collected White hat CPA methods in action and just shared it and people ate it up.

      Others just went to Blackhat threads and found hit it and quit it methods and slapped together a WSO on the subject and then went on a vacation.

      But there are many ways to attack CPA and the more clever and more successful it is the more of a secret it will remain for obvious reasons and that exact fact keeps the door open to hungry people willing to invest to learn.
      Thanks Profit Traveler. CPA..some many options, so little time Now tell me all you know, I also want to go on vacation!

      No seriously, I started testing alot of offers again since I started this thread, and this week I managed to get 3x $20 days in revenue (with around 50% profit) So I am making some progress. I again have some hope...
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    CPA does work!

    Have you considered free traffic? This is a good starting place to build a base income to fund your paid ads. Instagram can work great for this, been having some amazing results.

    That is what I would recommend, if I was in your shoes.

    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author kazim
    From my personal experience, I can say that CPA network works. I have found CPA much more effective than any other traffic generating strategy. To me these are main benefits of CPA

    You don’t need to get prospects to purchase– usually, affiliates gain substantial revenues by generating purchases. With cost per action, however, that is not necessary. You can get commissions in as simple as making your prospects click on the advertiser’s link.

    you will not need a website when you start working with cost per action. You can choose to advertise by leading traffic from social networks such as MySpace, Facebook, or Twitter directly to the merchants web site.

    Currently working with https://runcpa.com/ . They are offering accepting all kinds of traffic with instant payout facility.
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  • Profile picture of the author speedylikesKJ
    I have been living off CPA for almost 7years now , All i can say is instead of wasting money on courses , TAKE ACTION , Test as much as you can ,.. If you really wanna invest into learning better hire someone who can teach you one on one thats gonna cost but its all worth it ..
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  • Profile picture of the author missmystery
    I got conversions from pretty much not bothering to do anything, posting one on gather with an article and grabbing some crappy adfly traffic. They work.
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