This free email submit method will make you at least $100 per day

by p2y
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I thought I would throw out a freebie campaign for people struggling to get started. This one is actually really simple and it's easy to get tons of cheap clicks. Now as you know this is for an email submit offer, actually the "win a free walmart gift card" that is available on several networks.

Now before we go into the details of the campaign I want to mention a couple of things about running email submit campaigns. The first is that yes email submit campaigns scrub, and if you're not careful they can scrub very hard. There are 2 main reasons why they need to scrub the leads, the first is that email submits are very vulnerable to fraud. Take a quick glance at any black-hat CPA e-book/method and you'll see that it usually involves tricking people into filling out an email submit. The second reason they are scrubbed so hard is because an email alone is only worth so much, especially one that's coming from a person who is looking to get something for free.

So how can you avoid getting scrubbed on an email submit? Easily:

1) Rotate networks - These days advertisers have modified their back end tracking so they can pinpoint which affiliates on which networks are producing quality leads and which ones are producing bad leads. Normally they'll throttle/scrub leads based on the affiliate id level but if an advertiser notices a large amount of bad leads coming from a certain network they'll start scrubbing that entire network as well. This is why some people experience such wild swings in conversion rates when they split test 2 different networks. The solution here is to signup with as many networks that carry the offer and rotate all the URL's into prosper202. Find the network with the highest conversion rates, use it, monitor it, and if the conversion rate falls off switch the link to another network.

2) Target the older users - Email submit advertisers are dealing with millions of leads per month so by now they've gathered enough statistical data to know what works and what doesn't and no matter how affluent your traffic sources are the story is always the same: younger users don't convert. Sure they'll signup to win a free plasma TV but when it comes time convert on the advertisers back end they are nowhere to be found. Send an advertiser too many people under the age of 30 and your affiliate ID will be on the scrub list for a few months until you get your traffic in line.

So as long as you rotate networks and target older users you won't have any problems with getting scrubbed on an email campaign. Now that we got through that, let's get to the actual campaign.

The offer is for the "win a free walmart gift card" which can be found on various networks. The current networks I'm using are maxbounty, neverblue, tatto media, and amped media. It's a very popular offer that many networks are carrying so you should have no trouble finding it on a network your a part of.

My favorite thing about this offer is that it's so flexible, everybody knows what walmart is and about the products they carry (just about everything). Since it's so versatile you can target your keywords and landing pages to just about anything from food and groceries to gardening supplies and rat poison so the potential is limitless.

Now keep in mind that we will not be running this offer on google search, only on the content network. If you run such a low payout offer like this on the search network you're just wasting your time and money.

So the first step is to pick a category to target your keywords and landing page to, now I'm not going to give away my keywords because that will just kill the campaign when 200 people copy it but you should have no problem coming up with ideas since walmart sells just about everything. Step into your kitchen or garage for 5 minutes and I bet you’ll be able to walk away with 20 different categories to use.

For the sake of demonstration I'm going to use the "shoes" category, the first step is to go to the adwords keyword tool which is available here:

https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

Now you'll want to take the top 10 keywords (broad) which in this case would be:

shoes
women's shoes
men's shoes
kids shoes
men shoes
mens shoes
women shoes
womens shoes
boots shoes
Save these keywords in their own .txt file, these keywords will be your "root keywords". Now you'll want to download a program called google suggestor:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?lnjrnd2nzjz

What this program does is scrape all the suggested search queries that google provides you when you do a search, for example when you search for "shoes" google gives you this:



Using the program is easy, just enter your first root keyword which in this case would be "shoes" and then hit suggest a few times until it stops giving you results:



Once you're done you'll have a nice list of actively used keywords:



When you’re done you’ll want to save each group of extracted keywords into their own text file because each group will go in it’s own ad group later on when we build the campaigns. Repeat the process with your remaining keywords until your finished with all 10 root keywords.

Now your ready for the landing page which is probably the easiest part thanks to dynamic keyword insertion. In case you don't know what that is here is a good article explaining how it works and the benefits:

Google AdWords Dynamic Keyword Insertion | SEO Book.com

By using dynamic keyword insertion you can create a single landing page and then in adwords simply add ?kw={keyword} which will not only give you a good quality score (higher ad position, lower CPC) but give your visitors a relevant page as well which has been proven to increase your landing page's CTR.

Here is what the landing page would look like:



You can see that our keyword, which in this case would be "warriorforum" is located throughout the page which will help google score the page as relevant which will in turn give us a good quality score.

You can download the landing page seen above here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ktajy540ktm

You will want to edit the landing page, if adwords see so many people using the same landing pages they will probably slap all the campaigns.

Now we're ready to move onto actually creating the campaign in adwords. When you create the campaign you'll want to make sure you target the right country, in the case of this offer it's only good for US residents so we'll stick with just the US:



Now this next part is important because if done incorrectly it can cost you a lot of money. As I stated earlier in this guide you will want to only advertise on the google content network and NOT the search network or through search partners. I know the content network has a bad reputation and many gurus say to avoid it but in the past year google has done a really good job of cleaning it up and kicking out all the MFA/adsense spam sites out.

Today the content network makes up a majority of my income earned through adwords and if you asked any major PPC spender they would probably tell you the same thing. Don't get the wrong idea, you can run this campaign on the search network but only after you've split tested ad copies, network scrub rates, the landing pages, and have figured out which keywords are making you money and which ones aren't.

When you're setting up your campaign you'll want to make sure that you choose to display the ads only on the content network and on desktops and laptops only. iPhones and other mobile devices should be unchecked because these will only waste you money:



The next section, Bidding and Budget is pretty easy. For the daily budget I recommend that you use $10. I'll talk about our bids in a little but but we will be paying an average of $0.10 per click so 100 clicks is more than enough to decide if certain category or group of keywords will convert.

Under the advanced options you will want to choose to have your ads displayed in an accelerated manner. This will allow you to gather data and find the winning and losing campaigns much faster.



Under advanced settings you can leave everything as it is, some people like to display their ads during certain times of the day but I have yet to see any proof that ads convert better during certain hours or days so I let them run 24/7 but if you want to you can edit them to suit your needs.

Once you’re done with the first page, click "save and continue" and we can go on to creating our ad and importing our keywords.

Now I already mentioned dynamic keyword insertion which can be used on landing pages but it can also be used on your ads to increase your click through rate. You can do this by using the DKI tag which in adwords is: {KeyWord}

But in order to play it safe you need to have a fall-back keyword in case adwords decides to use a keyword like "buy discount shoes on the internet" which obviously wouldn't fit in the header. So to do this we use the following tag:

{KeyWord:Shoes}

This tells adwords that if our DKI keyword is too long to fit in the header, to use the keyword shoes instead. Now we can get to writing our headline.

I'm going to use this:

{KeyWord:Shoes} Save 100%

Why that? Well because numbers and symbols will always grab attention from viewers, especially on the content network. And you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that the more clicks you get, the more money you can make.

I'll keep the descriptions simple and use this:

# Save 100% with a Free Walmart Gift
# Card And Beat The Recession!

So when it's finished, my ad will look like this:



In the next section you will paste the keywords that you gathered from google suggester into the keyword box. Remember that we first took the top 10 most searched for keywords and referred to these as our "root keywords" which where then used in google suggester. Each "root keyword" will be it's own ad group for optimum relevance and quality score so make sure you only paste the proper ones.

Now onto our keyword bids, as I mentioned earlier we're aiming for an average CPC of $0.10 per click so that we can test out the offer. If we get a lot of conversions but little traffic we can slowly increase our bids and if we get too much traffic with no conversions we can lower the bid or if the campaign just isn't working out we can dump it and move onto another niche without wasting too much money.

Now you don't want to bid $0.10 because that is the MAXIMUM bid, generally speaking you can expect to pay 40% - 75% of your max bid so $0.18 - $0.21 is a good area to start in depending on what niche you're going into:



Click "save ad group" and you're done! Now all you have to do is go back to your top 10 root keywords and repeat the process with the next keyword.

I hope you guys put this info to good use, remember that the key to making this campaign profitable is to target the right categories. Since Walmart carries everything and is so well known you can use it on just about anything.

If you need any help, let me know
#cpa #email submit
  • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
    I must have stumbled into a new thread on WF called "I'm giving away a powerful method that I should be selling in the WSO section"...AWESOME overview of a PPC->CPA method that tackles the difficulty of getting cheap traffic to convert for email/zip submits.

    Questions for you...

    (1) Do you tend to ask the advertiser to include your Conversion tracking script, or do you use your own tracking like prosper202?

    (2) Do you always send the traffic to your LP, then directly to the offer? Or do you capture their email and send it to the offer pre-populated?

    Great post p2y!
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  • Profile picture of the author Versus
    Holy crap dude! wow. just wow.

    Very thorough! And also very generous.
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    • Profile picture of the author Burtgummer
      I'll be completely honest. I would have been happy to pay for this as a WSO. I've had several others WSOs that are just rehashed crap......but this is the most helpful walkthrough guide I have seen on here yet.

      Wow, just wow!

      Thanks a million times for this!

      *clicks thanks button*
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    • Profile picture of the author allbeeg
      p2y,

      Thanks for the great info!
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  • Profile picture of the author kimmer551
    This is awesome to say the least! I am so glad someone took the time to show newbies how it's done, thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Burtgummer
    Oh, I've got a quick question...

    What type of quality score are you seeing for most of your keywords? 7s mostly?
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    • Profile picture of the author p2y
      Originally Posted by Jeff Scott View Post

      Questions for you...

      (1) Do you tend to ask the advertiser to include your Conversion tracking script, or do you use your own tracking like prosper202?

      (2) Do you always send the traffic to your LP, then directly to the offer? Or do you capture their email and send it to the offer pre-populated?
      1) With this method I always use the adwords tracking system to track conversions because it tends to be more accurate and reliable than prosper202's tracking.

      2) Yes I always send them to the LP, direct linking is always a bad idea because it just exposes your campaign data to the advertiser and the affiliate network who would be more than happy to copy your campaigns and run it themselves. Another benefit is the quality score, when you direct link your quality score is at the mercy of the advertiser who cares more about conversion rates than they do about being "relevant" in google's eyes.

      Originally Posted by Burtgummer View Post

      Oh, I've got a quick question...

      What type of quality score are you seeing for most of your keywords? 7s mostly?
      Yea pretty much 7's across the board, I have a few 9's and 10's but those are super targeted keywords and landing pages with not very much comptetiton.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurenceh
    Really great post here!

    Very quick question re DKI.

    With your example where you used warrior forum when you built your LP did you use the code where the word appears? And that then makes it show up whatever the search term was?

    Also if thats the case in the article we write how do we then write a relevant article about a term we wont know.

    I'm sure I have misunderstood this step! lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Nail Yener
      Thanks for the detailed explanation of a system that works. Although this is nothing new, It can be a winner for a newbie if applied the correct way. I have been trying the content network and I had some success with them too. I will try the landing page with a little modification to it, thanks for sharing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
      Originally Posted by laurenceh View Post

      Really great post here!

      Very quick question re DKI.

      With your example where you used warrior forum when you built your LP did you use the code where the word appears? And that then makes it show up whatever the search term was?
      Maybe I can help answer this....the PHP code on the landing page takes the KW info that is passed from Google/Adwords. In Adword, you can have the term that someone searched on be passed to your website, and then that will display where ever you'd like. So in his example, the keyword was "WarriorForum" and it shows throughout the website (to help with the Quality Score)

      So if someone searched for "bug spray" on adwords, it could pass that term through to your URL like this:

      domain.com/index.php?kw=bug spray

      and then the landing page shows "bug spray" where you'd like


      Also if thats the case in the article we write how do we then write a relevant article about a term we wont know.
      The way I'd approach this is to not write an entire article for your landing page. The goal of your landing page is to get them to click over to your offer page. You can write a generic paragraph or few sentences that states "to get a free $500 giftcard so you can buy groceries, household products and <<YOUR KEYWORD FROM GOOGLE>> (bolded), click on the button to continue". You should be easily able to squeeze the search term into your copy. Remember, you want a higher quality score on Google, and get the visitor to click over to the offer
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      • Profile picture of the author DGA
        I know that this may be a weird question, but should you have a domain to build the landing page upon, or am I missing something?

        Thanks Guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikengo
    One of the best posts I read in a while. Thanks for the share.
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  • Profile picture of the author dropship
    I'm glad you mentioned something about scrubbing because a lot of noobies in CPA are unaware of this tactic. It's important to note that many advertisers run hundreds of different offers and use the same email database to check email submissions against.

    What I mean by this is that if a person has already submitted their email address to say the "Free Walmart gift card" and they get another offer for "Free Home Depot gift card" that they enter in their email address later on, the email address gets checked against the database and finds a match and therefore no lead is credited. :-(
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  • Profile picture of the author Fors
    First off, fantastic post ! Really appreciated since you easily could have sold it for 10-20$.

    Now , for some questions:

    1.How does the {keyword} parameter work with the content network. In search it obviously shows the searched keyword but how does it know which keyword the user is "searching" for on the content network?

    2. I was under the impression that QS on the content network almost only had to do with the CTR of your ad, especially with image ads since google can't detect what's in them. Thus making landing pages with DKI obsolete for quality score reasons?

    3. How does the google conversion tracking work when using a landing page? How does it know that its supposed to track where the person came from before the landing page? Does it somehow trace which site the landing page visitor originally came from? Please clarify.

    4. What terms do you bid on when creating your adgroups? I have created a lot of content campaigns and they never even start when I am bidding under 0.50 for a reasonably searched term, they only get approved and then 0 impressions.

    Lots of questions but your post really intrigued me,

    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author ben565
      This technique would work great if google allowed email submit offers,but unfortunately google does not allow us to promote email submit offers.And doing so will most likely get your account banned
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    • Profile picture of the author Burtgummer
      Originally Posted by Fors View Post

      4. What terms do you bid on when creating your adgroups? I have created a lot of content campaigns and they never even start when I am bidding under 0.50 for a reasonably searched term, they only get approved and then 0 impressions.
      I've run into the same problem. I've got keywords with several million searches per month.....but only 1 impression in the last 24 hours across the board. I also can't see my quality score because I'm not running the search network. Do you have the search network turned off completely, or are you just bidding like $.01 for the search network?
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    This post is worth THOUSANDS to me. Im getting started NOW. Stop asking questions guys and dive in and get this $$$.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mattkau
    if you want to use the google suggest tool (above) but don't want to download it, or you got a mac or something, try this tool http://cctvsydney.com/suggest/

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    • Profile picture of the author p2y
      Originally Posted by laurenceh View Post

      Really great post here!

      Very quick question re DKI.

      With your example where you used warrior forum when you built your LP did you use the code where the word appears? And that then makes it show up whatever the search term was?

      Also if thats the case in the article we write how do we then write a relevant article about a term we wont know.

      I'm sure I have misunderstood this step! lol
      Jeff Scott pretty much answered this for me (Thanks Jeff) so I'll refer you back to his post. As for the relevant article, what I'm saying is that you can write something very generic like this:

      These days just about everything can be bough online, including %keyword%, electronics ,and even bug spray! But before you buy that %keyword% from your favorite online store perhaps you should take the time to calculate the shipping costs vs the retail costs. For example, online %keyword% can be purchased at a price 10% - 20% lower than retail stores but due to the size and shipping constraints of %keyword% you will pay on average $20 - $30 more for the same item when you include shipping.
      That's not a very high quality article but it will be enough for google to score you on some keyword density.

      Originally Posted by DGA View Post

      I know that this may be a weird question, but should you have a domain to build the landing page upon, or am I missing something?

      Thanks Guys.
      Yes of course, I like using generic ones such as "giftcards4u.com" so that they can be used with other gift card campaigns.

      Originally Posted by Fors View Post

      First off, fantastic post ! Really appreciated since you easily could have sold it for 10-20$.

      Now , for some questions:

      1.How does the {keyword} parameter work with the content network. In search it obviously shows the searched keyword but how does it know which keyword the user is "searching" for on the content network?

      2. I was under the impression that QS on the content network almost only had to do with the CTR of your ad, especially with image ads since google can't detect what's in them. Thus making landing pages with DKI obsolete for quality score reasons?

      3. How does the google conversion tracking work when using a landing page? How does it know that its supposed to track where the person came from before the landing page? Does it somehow trace which site the landing page visitor originally came from? Please clarify.

      4. What terms do you bid on when creating your adgroups? I have created a lot of content campaigns and they never even start when I am bidding under 0.50 for a reasonably searched term, they only get approved and then 0 impressions.

      Lots of questions but your post really intrigued me,

      Thank you
      1) On the content network he {keyword} parameter works pretty much the same way as it does on the search network. Let's say you have the keyword "men's shoes" in your keyword list and when google analyzes an adsense page it determines that the keyword "men's shoes" is the most relevant keyword for that page then it will pull the ads for people bidding on that term. Since adwords and adsense are sharing the same data, it will have no problem determining the {keyword} parameter on the content network.

      2) It's a highly debated topic but in my opinion google does factor in on page quality score on the content network I just don't think they show it. They may calculate it or they may not but IMO it's always a good idea to play it safe. Not to mention that later on when you've collected all the keywords that are profitable and dumped all the keywords that are costing you money you can turn the search network on without having to rebuild your entire campaign.

      3) The adwords tracking system is pretty easy, whenever a person clicks on an ad they first go through google's server which places a cookie on their computer which tells them where the click came from, which advertiser it went to, how much the advertiser paid, and what keyword triggered the ad. When you take google's conversion tracking pixel/script and place it on the advertiser's website (this can be done through your CPA network's pixel manager or through your affiliate manager) google will be able to see that a conversion took place and it will tell you most of the information that they know (which keyword triggered it, what website it came from) and from there you can dump the keywords that don't make money and keep the keywords that do make money.

      For a more detailed explanation, checkout this link:

      Conversion Tracking - AdWords Help



      Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

      This technique would work great if google allowed email submit offers,but unfortunately google does not allow us to promote email submit offers.And doing so will most likely get your account banned
      Whoever told you this is dead wrong, email submits are alive and well on google. Banning email submits would be like banning optin pages because they are pretty much the same thing.

      Originally Posted by Burtgummer View Post

      I've run into the same problem. I've got keywords with several million searches per month.....but only 1 impression in the last 24 hours across the board. I also can't see my quality score because I'm not running the search network. Do you have the search network turned off completely, or are you just bidding like $.01 for the search network?
      Keep in mind that the content network determines relevance completely different from the search network, on the search network a term like "footwear" would get you plenty of impressions but on the content network you'll get next to none. With the content network you need to be VERY broad and generalized in order to get good volume. Think in terms of article/blog titles and meta tags instead of search terms.
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      • Profile picture of the author ben565
        Originally Posted by p2y View Post

        Whoever told you this is dead wrong, email submits are alive and well on google. Banning email submits would be like banning optin pages because they are pretty much the same thing.

        I am a member of PPC formula 2.0 and this post came directly from gauher chaudry's blog

        Google did a human review of one of my Google Adwords accounts and wrecked havoc. Guess they don't like email submits?
        They slapped three of my biggest campaigns. I just registered new domains and moved the content over and voila, traffic started up again.
        What a waste of time though.
        Cheers
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
          Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

          I am a member of PPC formula 2.0 and this post came directly from gauher chaudry's blog
          I second the fact that email submits are NOT dead in Adwords...I've been running them for awhile and still do. The fact that Gauher's accounts got slapped is one thing, the fact that he resetup his accounts should tell you something MUCH more important...they must be working
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          • Profile picture of the author ben565
            Originally Posted by Jeff Scott View Post

            I second the fact that email submits are NOT dead in Adwords...I've been running them for awhile and still do. The fact that Gauher's accounts got slapped is one thing, the fact that he resetup his accounts should tell you something MUCH more important...they must be working
            I am not saying that they do not convert, i am sure that they work well but if google slapped his campaign it is because they do not like these type of offers and soon enough those same campaigns will get slapped on his new account. Most of these advertisers that make these email offers end up spamming the hell out of the customer and they make it bery hard for them to unsubscribe.
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            • Profile picture of the author Burtgummer
              Hmm, this is getting weird.

              I was running a teeth whitening campaign on Search and Content, and got most of my clicks on the content network. Now it nearly went dead. Today has yielded 3 impressions total for that campaign, when a few days ago I got thousands.

              A possible slap?

              I find the same problem with a new email submit modeled after this thread..... but it hasn't been up long enough to get slapped.
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              • Profile picture of the author ProfessorBob
                really looks great, and tried to get it going. BUT, I couldn't get the google suggestor tool to work. It's a .rar file, and I couldn't get a program that would open it.. Any suggestions would be appreciated
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            • Profile picture of the author searchnology
              "Spamming the hell out of customers" is a bit of an understatment but yes, Google is all about quality of user experience so this method will be dead soon enough but do enjoy it while it lasts.

              Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

              I am not saying that they do not convert, i am sure that they work well but if google slapped his campaign it is because they do not like these type of offers and soon enough those same campaigns will get slapped on his new account. Most of these advertisers that make these email offers end up spamming the hell out of the customer and they make it bery hard for them to unsubscribe.
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    • Profile picture of the author topskyca
      Originally Posted by Mattkau View Post

      if you want to use the google suggest tool (above) but don't want to download it, or you got a mac or something, try this tool http://cctvsydney.com/suggest/

      Does it only work on Mac? I tried on pc, only 10 results came up.
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  • Profile picture of the author flatbush_warrior
    Absolutely INCREDIBLE -- I have paid for IM courses loaded w/pages of garbage and no direction, THX for breaking it down step by step and dropping those JEWELS in 'real time' p2y -- can't wait to plug this in adwords.... lemme know if you need an apprentice .. lol

    ~j
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  • Profile picture of the author sun2son
    P2Y,

    Great post - thorough and step by step.
    VERY generous & a valuable addition to the Warrior Forum.
    THX P2Y !
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    • Profile picture of the author johnjg
      Originally Posted by sun2son View Post

      P2Y,

      Great post - thorough and step by step.
      VERY generous & a valuable addition to the Warrior Forum.
      THX P2Y !
      Hi, for RAR files, just go and download the free / shareware version of winrar at WinRAR archiver, a powerful tool to process RAR and ZIP files install, and it will then be able to extract the RAR file for you!

      Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author Riz
    p2y,

    Now this is what i call a detailed post. Thanks for the information.

    I am new to PPC/CPA offers and this post is a goldmine and you could easily have sold it as a wso.

    As i'm on a CPA learning curve at the moment (as and when i find the time from my Offline niche activities) i will have complete confidence in purchasing the WSO you have in your signature link.

    Thanks again p2y and i'll be sure to try this method out in the near future.

    Riz
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  • Profile picture of the author laurenceh
    Just a note. Do we think its needed to put a ts and cs apply somewhere on our lander or leave that to the offer lander?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
      Originally Posted by laurenceh View Post

      Just a note. Do we think its needed to put a ts and cs apply somewhere on our lander or leave that to the offer lander?

      Hey laurenceh,

      I always include a few things on my websites built for PPC landing pages, and they include:

      1. Privacy policy (see attachment)
      2. Disclaimer (see attachment)
      3. Sitemap (not XML, but a user site map)
      4. Contact us page (with email link at minimum, contact form is better)
      5. About us
      6. On the home page I have outbound links to high PR authority sites...no one makes it to the home page anyway, you should be sending traffic to targeted interior pages

      ** On the attachments, just to a global find and replace for "MY WEBSITE" with your domain and you should be good. Note, these are GENERAL disclaimers that you can use as a starting point, and you should seek legal review prior to usage (there, now I am clear of any wrongdoing

      Hope this helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author laurenceh
    kool thanks Jeff. Was gonna use the ones I use on my other sites.

    Just wondering wether this could be done with a free platform like blogger as a dry run though.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    The walmart offer has expired in neverblue
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      The walmart offer has expired in neverblue
      This is a generic offer, other networks will have it. I just checked in my accounts and there is an active one in FluxAds, MaxBounty, Hyrda has a Target/Walmart gift card. They are out there

      Always have multiple networks you work with...that way if Neverblue pulls theirs, you can swap it with other network offers (and you should split test the same offer against different networks as the WILL have different conversion rates)
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  • Profile picture of the author laurenceh
    Has it changed to a 500 dollar offer cos it has at bounty
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    I have no idea how to get adwords dynamic keywords onto my website
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  • Profile picture of the author zombo
    Not a bad effort!! anyone make some good coin with this yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
    p2y, I posted a Thank You just for the time you took to post all this step by step for us all for free. Much appreciated.

    Since email submits like these will pay $1 to $1.50, the conversions has to pretty high or else won't be losing money? The clicks do cost something...

    I understand at $10 a day we won't risk much, but let's just say adwords has not been a success for me, even the content network. If some campaigns do make money, what's your ratio (4 out of 5; 2 out of 10?)

    To make the $100 a day how many campaigns do we need?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author p2y
      Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

      I am not saying that they do not convert, i am sure that they work well but if google slapped his campaign it is because they do not like these type of offers and soon enough those same campaigns will get slapped on his new account. Most of these advertisers that make these email offers end up spamming the hell out of the customer and they make it bery hard for them to unsubscribe.
      Just because a campaign gets slapped doesn't mean that particular offer is banned from google. I've worked with charities and even a children's hospital which had it's campaigns slapped for no reason. If these types of offers were banned on adwords then the campaigns wouldn't get slapped, the entire adwords account would have been banned and unable to run any new campaigns. Just ask people who ran the "google money" rebills what happened to their accounts.

      Originally Posted by ProfessorBob View Post

      really looks great, and tried to get it going. BUT, I couldn't get the google suggestor tool to work. It's a .rar file, and I couldn't get a program that would open it.. Any suggestions would be appreciated
      You will need to download winrar from this website:

      http://rarlab.com

      Then just right click on the file, and choose "extract files"

      Originally Posted by easmsw View Post

      You stated that "With the content network you need to be VERY broad and generalized in order to get good volume." So does that mean we want to find keywords that are very broad and generalized? Should we be concerned with how many competing sites there are for the keywords that we select?
      Well when most people are taught adwords they are told to bid on obscure, long tail, and "buying" words with only phrase and exact match like this:

      [shoe websites with free shipping]

      In adwords that exact phrase would have to be searched for otherwise the ad wouldn't be triggered. While this is a good approach to search, it's a bad approach to the content network because if you search on google only 3 websites have that phrase:

      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

      And only one of those has adsense, so on the content network that keyword would just be a waste.

      So some better keywords for the content network would be:

      shoes
      shoe shopping
      shoe sites
      shoe websites
      shoe stores
      shoe brands
      etc...
      On the search network, that list would be suicide but on the content network it works perfectly.

      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      I have no idea how to get adwords dynamic keywords onto my website
      It's simple, all you have to do is upload the .php file to your webhost, so let's say your site is myshoes.com, visit http://myshoes.com/shoes.php and then visit http://myshoes.com/shoes.php?kw=test and you'll see it in action.

      Originally Posted by Jay Rhome View Post

      p2y, I posted a Thank You just for the time you took to post all this step by step for us all for free. Much appreciated.

      Since email submits like these will pay $1 to $1.50, the conversions has to pretty high or else won't be losing money? The clicks do cost something...

      I understand at $10 a day we won't risk much, but let's just say adwords has not been a success for me, even the content network. If some campaigns do make money, what's your ratio (4 out of 5; 2 out of 10?)

      To make the $100 a day how many campaigns do we need?

      Thanks!
      About 1/3 of your campaigns will end up profitable but that doesn't mean you'll keep them. I remember my first campaign using this method I was making $30 per day but spending $25 because the conversion rate was low for that particular niche (fishing/fishing supplies in case you guys want to avoid it) so I dumped it. To make $100 a day in profits it'd require about 3 - 5 campaigns in big niches or 10-15 campaigns if you target smaller niches.
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      • Profile picture of the author ben565
        Originally Posted by p2y View Post

        Just because a campaign gets slapped doesn't mean that particular offer is banned from google. I've worked with charities and even a children's hospital which had it's campaigns slapped for no reason. If these types of offers were banned on adwords then the campaigns wouldn't get slapped, the entire adwords account would have been banned and unable to run any new campaigns. Just ask people who ran the "google money" rebills what happened to their accounts.
        Okay so why recommend a promoting these email/submit offers when they will just get slapped by google anyway?
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      • Profile picture of the author sitywyde
        i see a 404...still not getting it...do we ad the ?etc..at the end of our page. Like rename it? becuase im confused, when i did it, it gave me an error, and so are both of yours
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        • Profile picture of the author jeswarrior
          It's a great method but 99% of the people who try it will fail. If you really want to get rich or make some serious money concentrate on high paying offers. This nickle and dimes deal will suck newbies' blood dry. For the same effort you could be making several thousands a day. It takes only one crappy high paying lead to blow this nickle and dime high risk method off the water. And let's not talk about the scrubbing off.
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  • Profile picture of the author roozak
    Awesome info...thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author tdotbaby
    Could have sold this for sure. Way 2 go...Do you mind sharing your daily spend?, and a general ROI?

    all the best
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  • Profile picture of the author BlackTactics
    This is basically the famous "poll method" you learn in month 1 of PPC coach. Its prety old though, its a pretty good method and works pretty well but you will go through alot of offers and keywords before you find something that makes you a substantial profit.

    Its defintely a great method for newbies to cpa though.
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Originally Posted by BlackTactics View Post

      This is basically the famous "poll method" you learn in month 1 of PPC coach. Its prety old though, its a pretty good method and works pretty well but you will go through alot of offers and keywords before you find something that makes you a substantial profit.

      Its defintely a great method for newbies to cpa though.
      you've got to love women
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      • Profile picture of the author madmin
        this is a great way to get a couple grand in your pocket but if your landing page is like the example given, expect a slap from google real fast... am I wrong people, I don't get how this wso is amazing people?? really?


        no offense at all...and if I'm wrong then ....wait I'm not wrong :|
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        • Profile picture of the author p2y
          Originally Posted by tdotbaby View Post

          Could have sold this for sure. Way 2 go...Do you mind sharing your daily spend?, and a general ROI?

          all the best
          I don't want to get into daily spend but my general ROI ranges from 70% to 320%. If you jump out in front when new cd's and books get released you can get a really high ROI.

          Originally Posted by madmin View Post

          this is a great way to get a couple grand in your pocket but if your landing page is like the example given, expect a slap from google real fast... am I wrong people, I don't get how this wso is amazing people?? really?


          no offense at all...and if I'm wrong then ....wait I'm not wrong :|
          Obviously, that's a very thin LP but it's for demonstration. But with an article, an authority link or two, and some TOS/about us links it's good to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Hi P2Y, inserting dynamic keywords to an adwords campaign makes sense to me. However I cannot get my head around getting the dynamic keywords on to my landing page. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author devilishsaint
    Thanks a lot for sharing this superb tutorial
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Good tips, just a few things to note. Be careful with e-mail submits on Google, they dislike the 1 field information collection sites like them.

    Also like the OP said you need to rotate as many different offers as possible to ensure you don't get kicked off the program.
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  • Profile picture of the author zhunzi
    That's a pretty sweet idea! Thanks so much! Is the $100/day revenue or profit?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kappa
      Thanks, bookmarked! I will be trying this tomorrow. Thank you for your help friend!
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      • Profile picture of the author roozak
        It may have already been stated but I will put it out anyways. The content network on google does not apply the same techniques of keyword search as does a regular campaign. Meaning that when a user sees your ad its already being shown on a site that is similar to your adgroup themes.

        Now this is problematic in the fact that DKI (Dynamic Keyword Insertion) wont work, because there is nothing to pass on to the landing page. This means that you must set your landing pages up to your themed groups or you will have lots of impressions, lots of clicks, but no conversions. Your landing page would look kind of silly with a lot of blank areas that dont pertain to your topic because you have no keywords to insert.

        Those of you whom have SpeedPPC already know this as it is part of the software itself.

        Hope that makes sense...
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick Warrior
      Thanks so much for this great new years gift. I see this can be used for several cpa offers.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rajan Cajan
    Thanks for the informative info. I am in the learning stage for CPA marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author kimmer551
    Like the information presented here, but Google is not the only game in town!
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  • Profile picture of the author alucard001
    Hi p2y. Really thanks for your post. There are two questions that I would like to ask you:
    • Can I scale this method to other CPA offer? Like Zip or offer that required credit card or cell phone confirm?
    • You mentioned about categories where root keywords are come from. In your example you use WalMart because it sells everything. But what if I am promoting a free trial **** berry offer, or teeth whitening offer, and free bingo game, something like that? Where can I find those "Categories" and get top 10 keywords? Would you mind please give us some examples on that?
    Thank you again for your answering
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    • Profile picture of the author BobDolemite
      Whenever I try to check out this campaign on the networks (tried three so far), I end up at an "oops! this offer has expired!" page. Is this because I'm not from the US? I tried using a proxy, but I end up getting an error page instead.

      Is there anyway for me to see the offer page?
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  • Profile picture of the author oscarkool
    Every time I try using content network, I get no traffic unless I bid around $1. How are you getting traffic with such broad keywords like the shoes example? I get nothing and I've got over 2,000 2-3 word keywords based around shopping...

    Also, google doesn't look at more than 50 keywords per adgroup, so you're better off seperating each adgroup to 50 keywords each or less. But what the heck do I know? I've never gotten traffic on the content network before besides polls (which is a horrible way to learn).

    EDIT: nevermind, my account was just screwed. I'm running campaigns on a new account and it's working fine. Dumb google and account history ftl.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Arseniy
    What do I need to do all of this??

    I have no money I am able to spend because I lost my job 
    what do I need???
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Well for starters, you will need a domain name and hosting. Then you will need a landing page. I prefer to use a full site and the LP buried somewhere inside. You will also need some money to spend on ads. If you follow the method outlined in this thread, you will be spending $10 a day. If you want to test it for, say a week, you should be looking at about $100
      Originally Posted by Alex Arseniy View Post

      What do I need to do all of this??

      I have no money I am able to spend because I lost my job 
      what do I need???
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    • Profile picture of the author zhunzi
      Originally Posted by Alex Arseniy View Post

      What do I need to do all of this??

      I have no money I am able to spend because I lost my job 
      what do I need???
      I think there is a place here in warrior forum to earn money working for other warriors. Otherwise, I'd go to elance and start bidding on some projects. Once you have some money to spend, then you can get into IM.

      Unfortunately, most everything I've seen that's successful here requires at least $20/mo or so investment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
    This is one of the best PPC/CPA post I have came across in awhile. How do you target the older crowd on content network?

    Do you go out and look for older leaning forums that have adsense or choose products that seem to be older leaning and focus on those root keywords?

    Also, after that do you still let content network automatically choose the sites that would be associate with your keywords?

    I am really thinking about doing this. I think age from 30's and below have become to skeptical of email submits.
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    • Profile picture of the author zhunzi
      Originally Posted by Shane Hale View Post

      This is one of the best PPC/CPA post I have came across in awhile. How do you target the older crowd on content network?

      Do you go out and look for older leaning forums that have adsense or choose products that seem to be older leaning and focus on those root keywords?

      Also, after that do you still let content network automatically choose the sites that would be associate with your keywords?

      I am really thinking about doing this. I think age from 30's and below have become to skeptical of email submits.
      LOL, this is a whole other topic, so older crowd is 30+? My sister who is 52 signs up for all sorts of adware and incentivised stuff online. She's always forwarding it to me hoping to get me signed up as one of the xx people she needs to join up to get some credits/points/dollars. She actually gets banned from some of these places for having more than 1 account! Her son who is 15 is just as bad.
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      • Profile picture of the author J smith
        Some amazing info (and just in time as I am looking at getting into ppc) But a few questions:

        For the dynamic keywords, the LP you've provided, what exactly would I do with it? Rename it to shoes.php and upload it to my site (so mysite.com/shoes.php) then in the adwords url would be mysite.com/shoes/php?kw={keyword} and when people click on the adwords ad they would end up on the mysite.com/shoes page that will have the keyword inserted where I choose? I am not that tech savvy so just trying to figure this out.

        Also, to insert the dynamic KW on a page I'd have to go into html editor and use that php string of code that is used through out LP to get the KW to appear?

        Lastly, do other ad networks have a dynamic keyword similar to this and what is the code for that?

        PS: Ah, knew I would forget to ask something else. How would you switch between different networks automatically? To test which one has better conversion etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author p2y
          Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

          Okay so why recommend a promoting these email/submit offers when they will just get slapped by google anyway?
          Read my post again, any campaign, no matter how pure, non-commercial, and well intentioned has the possibility of getting slapped. Ask anyone who spends 6+ figures per year on adwords and they'll tell you the same thing. Heck just look at Chaudhry's blog post, from the context it's clear that to him getting slapped is just another day at the office that requires nothing more than setting up the campaign again.

          Originally Posted by alucard001 View Post

          Hi p2y. Really thanks for your post. There are two questions that I would like to ask you:
          • Can I scale this method to other CPA offer? Like Zip or offer that required credit card or cell phone confirm?
          • You mentioned about categories where root keywords are come from. In your example you use WalMart because it sells everything. But what if I am promoting a free trial **** berry offer, or teeth whitening offer, and free bingo game, something like that? Where can I find those "Categories" and get top 10 keywords? Would you mind please give us some examples on that?
          Thank you again for your answering
          Yes of course you can scale this to other offers, the groceries zip submit is a good example and so are iq tests (are you smarter than {Celebrity}?). As for the categories and stuff like **** and teeth whitening, it's all about demographics. Think about the type of person that would want those products, and instead of focusing on what they search for, focus on what type of sites they are likely to visit.

          Originally Posted by BobDolemite View Post

          Whenever I try to check out this campaign on the networks (tried three so far), I end up at an "oops! this offer has expired!" page. Is this because I'm not from the US? I tried using a proxy, but I end up getting an error page instead.

          Is there anyway for me to see the offer page?
          Yes it's because you're outside the US, use worldproxy202 to view the offers:

          WorldProxy202 - Proxies from around the world at your fingertips.

          Originally Posted by Shane Hale View Post

          This is one of the best PPC/CPA post I have came across in awhile. How do you target the older crowd on content network?

          Do you go out and look for older leaning forums that have adsense or choose products that seem to be older leaning and focus on those root keywords?

          Also, after that do you still let content network automatically choose the sites that would be associate with your keywords?

          I am really thinking about doing this. I think age from 30's and below have become to skeptical of email submits.
          In the end it's all about the keywords, if you use a keyword like "Micheal Jordan shoes" then you'll probably get a lot of younger people because they are the ones who buy those type of shoes. But if you go after something like "loafers" then obviously you'll get an older crowd. For this particular offer it's really all about the products you choose, tickle me elmo keywords will get you the wrong demographics but car battery keywords will get you the right demographics.

          Originally Posted by J smith View Post

          Some amazing info (and just in time as I am looking at getting into ppc) But a few questions:

          For the dynamic keywords, the LP you've provided, what exactly would I do with it? Rename it to shoes.php and upload it to my site (so mysite.com/shoes.php) then in the adwords url would be mysite.com/shoes/php?kw={keyword} and when people click on the adwords ad they would end up on the mysite.com/shoes page that will have the keyword inserted where I choose? I am not that tech savvy so just trying to figure this out.

          Also, to insert the dynamic KW on a page I'd have to go into html editor and use that php string of code that is used through out LP to get the KW to appear?

          Lastly, do other ad networks have a dynamic keyword similar to this and what is the code for that?

          PS: Ah, knew I would forget to ask something else. How would you switch between different networks automatically? To test which one has better conversion etc.
          All you have to do is edit it to suit your needs and for the offer you're promoting, upload it, and then just add ?kw={keyword} to your destination url. When somebody visits the page they'll see the keywords. If you want to add dynamic keyword insertion to another one of your pages just copy and paste the PHP code where you need it and add ?kw={keyword}. And if you want to rotate offers checkout this php code:

          Prosper202 Self Hosted Apps

          That's what I use and it works great.
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          • Profile picture of the author ben565
            Originally Posted by p2y View Post

            Read my post again, any campaign, no matter how pure, non-commercial, and well intentioned has the possibility of getting slapped. Ask anyone who spends 6+ figures per year on adwords and they'll tell you the same thing. Heck just look at Chaudhry's blog post, from the context it's clear that to him getting slapped is just another day at the office that requires nothing more than setting up the campaign again.
            well i don't have 9mcc accounts like gauher and if submit the same campaign again and again google will bann your account alltogether for repeat violations
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin E Anthony
    This is a pretty solid method and can be applied to any email submit with a twist.
    Am gonna work on this.Thanks for sharing
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    Thanks for sharing the google suggestor tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author calbun
    Hey p2y! Firstly, I want to thank you for posting such a great, in-depth guide for beginners! I was able to set up my first, trial campaign according the tips you provided

    Just one quick (and stupid) question - when it comes to filling out my keywords for Adwords, am I only using 1 root keyword and their subsequent "keyword results" for 1 campaign only? and hence I will have 10 campaigns running for all 10 root keywords? Or did you mean to copy/paste all 10 root keywords and their other "results" into the same keyword field for my campaign? I guess that would make a difference between $10 / day or $100 / day

    Thanks again!!

    [EDIT]: Nevermind, I found my answer, hehe
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    • Profile picture of the author autap6
      Hi :-)

      A great post indeed.
      Just one problem, for me anyway.

      I have several campaigns running in Adwords, but on Google search only.

      Each time I try to run ads on content network, they stay in "under review" for ever.

      So I cannot use the content network at all with adwords.

      My question is : are there other ppc networks that have content network?

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
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        Originally Posted by autap6 View Post

        Hi :-)

        A great post indeed.
        Just one problem, for me anyway.

        I have several campaigns running in Adwords, but on Google search only.

        Each time I try to run ads on content network, they stay in "under review" for ever.

        So I cannot use the content network at all with adwords.

        My question is : are there other ppc networks that have content network?

        Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author oscarkool
    This is some gold info here guys, and this stuff applies to any kind of offer, not just email/zips. Most people fail because they bid on car insurance keywords for car insurance offers, when instead you should bid on the demos that may be interested in a car insurance offer. It's all about thinking outside of the box here, folks. 99% of marketers don't and thus fail. p2y knows his stuff so follow his advice and profit.

    p2y, what's your average position when you bid at the 20 cent range? Mine is around 3-4 now that you've taught me your strategies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
    Hi p2y,

    I've been testing PPC->CPA offers and thought I'd give your method a test using Google Content Network and image ads. I don't want to hijack your thread with my case study, so if anyone is interested in following what I'm doing, here's the link (this is 100% based on this idea by p2y in this thread):

    http://www.warriorforum.com/ad-netwo...ip-submit.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Vendetta
    Is it possible to get accepted to all the affiliate networks with just that one page on your website?

    Moreover will you be able to run a campaign without getting slapped by google or is there just NO CHANCE(Not even getting your campaign accepted)

    I am Brand spanking new(within 3 days) and I am full steam ahead on this guide got everything except affiliates people with experience answering my questions would be MORE than NICE but yes I am eating up as much of the info on this forum as possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author zhunzi
      Finally got around to tinkering with this. Hopefully it still works. I've setup two pages targeting two product niches. My ads are currently "under review" with google. Not sure how long it's going to take to get out of that state, but I'll update everyone on the progress.

      If I have success, I'm not sure I'll tell you about that, but if I find any losers, I'll let you know so you don't suffer the same fate.

      I set my bids at .21, the offer at my network is paying $1.15. That means I need to convert 20% or get my bid price down some. My budget is set $10/day, I can spend that on far stupider things that trying to make money, so what the heck.

      Something I didn't read in this thread, but I also put some demographic limiters on it. I set it to exclude ages 0-34, since I've read all over warrior that this age group is very hard to convert on email submits.

      I noticed some folks were having a hard time finding the offer, PM me if you're still having trouble.
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  • Profile picture of the author XRevJosh
    wow great tip you can really add some twists to this method and generate some easy income.
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  • Profile picture of the author oscarkool
    btw guys, you can't use the trademarks of most gift card companies in the ad or else youll get some limited approved ad that doesnt get traffic lol. You can however use typos, combine words, etc. to get your ad thru
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Thanks! Great stuff..
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  • Profile picture of the author talkingsmith
    my impression is that: to make this method work, the help from your AM is a must, otherwise there is no easy way to filter out bad performer.

    I am no sure AM will that helpful if too many similiar request from us to insert a piece of code.
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    • Profile picture of the author p2y
      Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

      well i don't have 9mcc accounts like gauher and if submit the same campaign again and again google will bann your account alltogether for repeat violations
      Your mixing ad rejections with campaign slaps, you will not get your account banned or closed for getting slapped. I've had my original adwords account now for over 5 years and despite all the slaps it still runs campaigns just fine.

      Originally Posted by oscarkool View Post

      This is some gold info here guys, and this stuff applies to any kind of offer, not just email/zips. Most people fail because they bid on car insurance keywords for car insurance offers, when instead you should bid on the demos that may be interested in a car insurance offer. It's all about thinking outside of the box here, folks. 99% of marketers don't and thus fail. p2y knows his stuff so follow his advice and profit.

      p2y, what's your average position when you bid at the 20 cent range? Mine is around 3-4 now that you've taught me your strategies.
      Yea mine around 3 - 4 as well, a few 1 - 2 but that's only on low competition campaigns or on adgroups with high (8+) quality scores.

      Originally Posted by Jeff Scott View Post

      Hi p2y,

      I've been testing PPC->CPA offers and thought I'd give your method a test using Google Content Network and image ads. I don't want to hijack your thread with my case study, so if anyone is interested in following what I'm doing, here's the link (this is 100% based on this idea by p2y in this thread):

      http://www.warriorforum.com/ad-netwo...ip-submit.html
      I'll be following along, best of luck

      Originally Posted by Vendetta View Post

      Is it possible to get accepted to all the affiliate networks with just that one page on your website?

      Moreover will you be able to run a campaign without getting slapped by google or is there just NO CHANCE(Not even getting your campaign accepted)

      I am Brand spanking new(within 3 days) and I am full steam ahead on this guide got everything except affiliates people with experience answering my questions would be MORE than NICE but yes I am eating up as much of the info on this forum as possible.
      I guess you could use that page to get accepted by CPA networks, but getting accepted isn't really about what type of website you have it's more about verifying that you are who you say you are and that you're not out to defraud or steal money from the network. When CPA networks call, all you have to do is answer and be honest with them, tell them that you're new to CPA marketing but do have some general internet marketing knowledge and would like to work with them. Unless you come off as sketchy or untrustworthy there is no reason for the affiliate manager to deny since most of them are paid on commission.

      As for getting slapped by google, of course it's always a possibility with any type of campaign you run but it's nothing serious, that's why webmasters call it a slap. If you do get slapped, all you have to do is copy the campaign, delete it, get a new domain, and then restart the campaign under that new domain and you should be ready to go.

      Originally Posted by talkingsmith View Post

      my impression is that: to make this method work, the help from your AM is a must, otherwise there is no easy way to filter out bad performer.

      I am no sure AM will that helpful if too many similiar request from us to insert a piece of code.
      You don't need to depend on your AM that much, these days most networks have automatic pixel management which let's you place the tracking pixels yourself without the need to contact your AM.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenc138
        P2Y

        This post is great, and just what the doctor ordered. I've been reading so much information about getting started in this field that my brain is starting to swim and I can't sleep. I guess in the end what I needed was a quick 'take me by the hand' example. This really helped out.

        I do have a few questions though. Regarding QS...I thought QS was irrelevant on the content network?

        Also, my ads were approved 10 hours ago, but I've had no impressions. What is the likely reason for this? Could this be because I excluded too many groups in my demo settings, or are we only targeting our demo with keywords and leaving demo settings alone? I think you mentioned something earlier about focusing the keywords to the demographic, but I'm seeing people in the thread tweeking demo settings in Adwords. *scratches head*

        Thanks so much for this post and for thinking about those having trouble finding their way through the info overload.

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        • Profile picture of the author calbun
          Originally Posted by kenc138 View Post


          Also, my ads were approved 10 hours ago, but I've had no impressions. What is the likely reason for this? Could this be because I excluded too many groups in my demo settings, or are we only targeting our demo with keywords and leaving demo settings alone? I think you mentioned something earlier about focusing the keywords to the demographic, but I'm seeing people in the thread tweeking demo settings in Adwords. *scratches head*

          Thanks so much for this post and for thinking about those having trouble finding their way through the info overload.

          Ken
          Hey Ken, just wondering how long it took Adwords to approve your campaign? I signed up for content network too, about 3 - 4 days ago, but my ad groups are still all "under review" with google... :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author kenc138
            Originally Posted by calbun View Post

            Hey Ken, just wondering how long it took Adwords to approve your campaign? I signed up for content network too, about 3 - 4 days ago, but my ad groups are still all "under review" with google... :confused:
            Hi Calbun,

            I'm guessing the reason your ads are under review is because you used "Walmart" or some other trademarked word in your ad text. This happened to me, but I put "Retail Card" instead of "Walmart Card" and the ads were approved in a few minutes.

            Hope this helps!
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            • Profile picture of the author calbun
              Originally Posted by kenc138 View Post

              Hi Calbun,

              I'm guessing the reason your ads are under review is because you used &quot;Walmart&quot; or some other trademarked word in your ad text. This happened to me, but I put &quot;Retail Card&quot; instead of &quot;Walmart Card&quot; and the ads were approved in a few minutes.

              Hope this helps!
              Ah, that is exactly what I did...used a trademarked name instead of a generic term. Thanks Ken! I'm gonna change it up and hopefully won't have to wait another week for approval
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  • Profile picture of the author dannyb1974
    Apparently not a lot of people use google content with image ads
    I am trying this now and will follow 'case study' thread
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    Very generous! Thank you for this guide.
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  • Profile picture of the author KyleJames
    Okay well I must be doing something wrong here. My stats for today:

    2,801 impressions 0 clicks 6.2 average position. Shouldn't there at least be a few clicks by now?
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  • Profile picture of the author talkingsmith
    Well, I am using "Walmart" in the text description and seem to be OK, cuz it showing "eligible", but the problem i am having is no impression at all for, already 30 hours. What is wrong?

    Another thing, i noticed several members here using image ad, this is not required for this method, right? text ad should be good enough?

    Update: alright I guess I was wrong, my ad is at approved (limited) status, so the trademark issue drag me down
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    • Profile picture of the author KyleJames
      Originally Posted by talkingsmith View Post

      Well, I am using "Walmart" in the text description and seem to be OK, cuz it showing "eligible", but the problem i am having is no impression at all for, already 30 hours. What is wrong?

      Another thing, i noticed several members here using image ad, this is not required for this method, right? text ad should be good enough?

      Update: alright I guess I was wrong, my ad is at approved (limited) status, so the trademark issue drag me down
      Yea I had my ads on "Limited Status" also. Take out the term Walmart & replace it with something generic like Retail Gift Card. That should activate your ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author KyleJames
    Im now at almost 7k impressions for the day with 0 clicks
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    Damn now 10k impressions with 0 clicks!
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    • Profile picture of the author kenc138
      KyleJames,

      You mentioned that your avg position is 6-7. For the content network this is the equivalent of having your ads on page 7 of a search campaign.

      Adjust your bid amount so you're in the 1-4 range. If you have to go so high that it's no longer worth bidding, pick a new set of keywords. The good news is that at least you're getting impressions with Adwords. This was more than I got. If you can get your position to 1-4, you'll get clicks.

      Hopefully this helps. Oh FYI, I'm using the Yahoo content network and have had 300K impressions with 14 clicks, no conversions. I'm not doing so hot either LOL.
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      • Profile picture of the author glide21
        10K impressions, 2 clicks, no bites.
        Just finished reading Gauher Chaudhry's CPA guide (it's free) and I'm beginning to understand why it's not as simple as it seems. Great read and full of excellent info.
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        • Profile picture of the author kenc138
          Originally Posted by glide21 View Post

          10K impressions, 2 clicks, no bites.
          Just finished reading Gauher Chaudhry's CPA guide (it's free) and I'm beginning to understand why it's not as simple as it seems. Great read and full of excellent info.
          Gauher is the man. That CPA guide is so useful.
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      • Profile picture of the author KyleJames
        Originally Posted by kenc138 View Post

        KyleJames,

        You mentioned that your avg position is 6-7. For the content network this is the equivalent of having your ads on page 7 of a search campaign.

        Adjust your bid amount so you're in the 1-4 range. If you have to go so high that it's no longer worth bidding, pick a new set of keywords. The good news is that at least you're getting impressions with Adwords. This was more than I got. If you can get your position to 1-4, you'll get clicks.

        Hopefully this helps. Oh FYI, I'm using the Yahoo content network and have had 300K impressions with 14 clicks, no conversions. I'm not doing so hot either LOL.
        Hey Ken,

        Thanks for the keyword advise. Instead of deleting entire ad groups because the average position is too high I should just pause/delete the individual keywords that are causing the problem, correct?

        My issue is that I am not able to track that data. What do you recommend for conversion tracking that will track down to the keyword level? My campaign is only showing info at the ad group level.

        Thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author Burtgummer
          How do you get more info on the conent network section of the campaign? I just have one bar in my campaign that says "content" and have the click/impression numbers. There is no average position information, or individual keyword information like the search network gives you.

          Am I doing something wrong? It would help a ton of I had more info on the content network results.
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  • Profile picture of the author halalmoney
    Thanks for this info, i am just a newbie on cpa
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  • Profile picture of the author Vendetta
    Hey I have been stuck on one part for the last three days trying to do this strategy. I cant get ANY affiliate sites to allow me in. I don't know what the hell is up but I keep getting emails saying I have been denied...
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      It helps if you have a website. What I always do is call them and give them the whole mumbo jumbo about my experience in IM, what traffic sources I use, Use word like PPC, Organic, be specific about what offers you want to promote and sound like you really want to be part of their company. 9 times out of ten, this will get you approved



      Originally Posted by Vendetta View Post

      Hey I have been stuck on one part for the last three days trying to do this strategy. I cant get ANY affiliate sites to allow me in. I don't know what the hell is up but I keep getting emails saying I have been denied...
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      • Profile picture of the author Vendetta
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        It helps if you have a website. What I always do is call them and give them the whole mumbo jumbo about my experience in IM, what traffic sources I use, Use word like PPC, Organic, be specific about what offers you want to promote and sound like you really want to be part of their company. 9 times out of ten, this will get you approved

        Hey thanks. I did just that and it got me approved to two affiliate networks!

        BTW I have a website it just isnt... optimized yet.

        So here is my latest question.

        Am I allowed to link directly to cpa offers landing page from google ads or do I need to create my own and link from there?? If so... WHY??
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      • Profile picture of the author bluerose
        Correct me if I am wrong but dynamic keyword insertion only works for the search network. On the content network your ads are displayed on a website by keyword relevancy not what somebody has searched for.

        When I tried this on the content network my ads defaulted to the default keyword and then when somebody clicks on my ad the default keyword did not carry through to the landing page, it just showed up as "Free {keyword}".

        BTW, I had to change all my ads from "Walmart" to "Retail Card" as Google and Yahoo would not allow it (trademark).
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      • P2y,

        Hi P2y,

        I noticed you were using Google Content Network, I was a bit confused when you were using {keyword:shoes} examples in the Headline, Display URL and Destination URL, can you elaborate a little more. I also wanted to say thank you for the information, best I've seen so far and you have a great heart which will go a long way.

        I also wanted to ask you if you have time, do you know how to find targeted websites that use the content networks, such as Adbrite, etc. I was thinking of trying to find CPA offers that are targeted towards a certain crowd, say women in their 30-40 age range that are looking for {shoes} that are in a certain geographical location in the US? I thought ALEXA.com would do it. Oh yeah, I downloaded the suggest program and it would not work for me on PC. Or anyone in fact, if you want to jump in and give your answers will help. Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
            Originally Posted by tgeo View Post

            I'm soooo jaded. So many different opinions on what is what...
            slap criteria, CPA profit hype, arbitrage conspiracy millions, but no conversions to speak of with the Jeff Scott case study on what seems to be a simple zip/email submit for a freakin Walmart Card, and whatever everyone else is claiming to be making thousands per month on?
            Hey wait....that's ME!

            I can tell you're obviously frustrated with the varying amounts of hype/lies/mistruths/overstatements/etc that you can find here or any IM forum, but let me clarify a few things since my name got thrown in the mix:

            1. My case study was just that, a documented experience that I did as a test to have others learn from. My intention isn't/wasn't to sell anything, but rather to provide feedback on what I was doing, issues I faced and what I did to overcome them. Everyone has their own way of doing CPA offers, so I was trying to shed light on how I was approaching the concept.

            2. I stopped updating my case study for two reasons...(1) there was very little feedback so I didn't think enough people were getting value out of it to have me continue to update it, and (2) I was not getting the numbers to work for me. In the end of that test, the only way to get significant traffic was to bid higher and at that point it the campaign wasn't profitable. However, that doesn't mean this method doesn't work!

            Let me explain...

            First, I was not doing Walmart giftcards, but rather Free Grocery zip submits. Since I was going after cheaper traffic, I needed a TON of long tail keywords and thus, only picked one small variation...cereals! That's right, I had/have segmented campaigns/adgroups/text ads for all cereal brands, along with combination of different "qualifiers" (cheap, free, coupon, etc). So while this method didn't financially work for me in the cereal niche, I could easily expand it out to crackers, drinks, meats, dairy, etc and it could be wildly successful in one niche, but a money-sucker in others.

            That's the point and VALUE in testing...you can't relay on forum posts from me or other folks, you'll only know if it truly works for you IF YOU DO IT YOURSELF!

            And during my testing, I learned two helpful tactics that I'm now implementing in my other campaigns (using dynamic dates to create a sense of urgency, and traffic regeneration using an exit pop).

            My suggestion is to use this board differently than maybe you have been. Try starting your first campaign(s) and reach out to the members here to ask for input on what you're doing. There are some VERY experienced marketers who are willing to help, but you have to ask the right questions.

            When people ask "how to I make a million on CPA" no one can or will answer that. If after you've tried your own campaign and ask "how can I increase my click-through-rates from my landing page to my CPA offer" you might get more direct responses such as "mimic the style of the landing page, or put a video on your pre-sell page, or use a dynamic date script for sense of urgency, etc"

            Believe me, you get 100X more value out of trying something yourself than you do in reading all the hype posts on here on how some "newbie made $500k in 24 hours with a secret CPA offer he stumbled upon from an ancient Chinese magician in the Himalayas" ...sounds like a title for some WSO's I've seen

            ...coming off my soap-box now!

            - Jeff
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          • Profile picture of the author Shawn Parker
            Originally Posted by tgeo View Post

            I'm soooo jaded. So many different opinions on what is what...
            slap criteria, CPA profit hype, arbitrage conspiracy millions, but no conversions to speak of with the Jeff Scott case study on what seems to be a simple zip/email submit for a freakin Walmart Card, and whatever everyone else is claiming to be making thousands per month on?

            WTF. Can't we get flippin 1 conversion out of 112000+ impressions on a stinkin zip submit on that other case study?
            Is anyone making money on this stuff? Who tells the frickin truth
            about making money online? Sure, anyone can sell 2k courses if you
            just say thousands can be made doing this.

            Why is it that most people will pass up a FREE $500 Walmart Gift Card
            offer but go to the flippin nearest Walmart and spend a couple hundred dollars on stuff with their own cash? Anybody ever ask that effing question? Ever wonder about that? Who's making the big money?
            The ones coaching and selling courses? Or the ones slaving away
            at Google putting the offers in front of people?

            Everywhere else I go on the web I run into the huge hype about
            making millions with CPA, especially from those who are selling a course,
            but when I get to a forum such as this one where there might be at least some semblance of truth of real people's IM experience, most seem to be struggling to get 1 freakin conversion from a single field offer, so to speak.

            For once I'd like to see some of the coaches and product owners prove what they can do with the info they
            teach. Just once. Please, let us inexperienced ones know what the hell the truth is?

            Anyone here on the forum with me on that?
            Amen to that Brother!!! AMEN to that. If there is so much freaking money to be made, share the wealth. They all say that it can never be saturated. The only thing I can think of is GREED. So I still search...
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  • Profile picture of the author Fox30
    Very nice write up indeed. I always like learning tidbits of new information that help my business. Thanks a lot!
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  • Profile picture of the author amoeba
    tht was preety neet
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  • Profile picture of the author DGA
    Hey guys this is some really good stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vendetta
    Can someone explain dynamic keyword insertion a little better to me? I still don't know how to get it to function with my ad's/website and yes I read the link p2y provided.

    Do I need to change anything on my website or am I simply inserting the {KeyWord:warriorforum} into my ad title?
    ___

    Somehow I have finally created a website complete with landing page, about us and contact us. I have a google ad running in the content network AND an offer for people to click on. This has been a tremendous learning curve for me and it has taken a week but it has been rather exciting actually... It's now time for me to learn about SEO and building a better landing page...
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    the only problem is that it doesn't work
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    • Profile picture of the author Tron2k
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      the only problem is that it doesn't work
      Ive setup a campaign,hopefully we can prove you wrong. maybe lol
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      • Profile picture of the author mariusr
        Hi Guys. It's my first post to the forum. For the last couple of weeks I've been going through the forum, reading tutorials and trying to understand the CPA game as much as possible. To make it short - I would really like to get successfully into the game.
        What I've done so far - applied for affiliate networks (got accepted by MaxBounty and FluxAds), created Adwords account, followed exactly the thread to create an e-mail submit campaign.
        But somehow for 2 days now the statuses of the ads are always "Under review". I even deleted the whole campaign and created a new one, but still the same. Can anyone tell me what's wrong? I tested with some other simple campaigns and these got approved in minutes.

        P2Y - thanks a lot for the post, it was perfect for a beginner like me. I'm also amazed how helpful all the other members are. Such a valuable reading.
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        • Profile picture of the author satrap
          Originally Posted by mariusr View Post

          Hi Guys. It's my first post to the forum. For the last couple of weeks I've been going through the forum, reading tutorials and trying to understand the CPA game as much as possible. To make it short - I would really like to get successfully into the game.
          What I've done so far - applied for affiliate networks (got accepted by MaxBounty and FluxAds), created Adwords account, followed exactly the thread to create an e-mail submit campaign.
          But somehow for 2 days now the statuses of the ads are always "Under review". I even deleted the whole campaign and created a new one, but still the same. Can anyone tell me what's wrong? I tested with some other simple campaigns and these got approved in minutes.

          P2Y - thanks a lot for the post, it was perfect for a beginner like me. I'm also amazed how helpful all the other members are. Such a valuable reading.
          It may be related to your actual ad, and what words you used to make the ad. for example you can not use trade mark names in your ad, (you can contant them to review it for you and they may let you do it), so in that case it may take some time for them to respond to it.
          there could be other reasons as well. but in general some ads take longer time to be approved than others. has a lot to do with keywords, your ad content, and etc. make sure your campaign is accourding to adword rules.
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          • Profile picture of the author mariusr
            Thanks Satrap. My adds got the status "Approved (limited)" now. What could be the reason? I suspect 2: 1) I am using "replica" as one of the keywords (Which Yahoo did not allow at all), 2) The text on the landing page doesn't give much value (mainly jubberish about on what and how the used could use the free gift card for). If my landing page was manually checked, then because of that?
            Or can it be something else?

            P2Y, how many impressions and clicks would one expect with that strategy of 10 keyword groups? I've got ~200 impressions with my approved-limited status during a day. That's way too low...
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            • Profile picture of the author KyleJames
              Originally Posted by mariusr View Post

              Thanks Satrap. My adds got the status "Approved (limited)" now. What could be the reason? I suspect 2: 1) I am using "replica" as one of the keywords (Which Yahoo did not allow at all), 2) The text on the landing page doesn't give much value (mainly jubberish about on what and how the used could use the free gift card for). If my landing page was manually checked, then because of that?
              Or can it be something else?
              Are you using the word "Walmart" in your ad? If so this is why your ads are "Limited". Change that to "Retail Gift Card" or something similar & your ads should be 100% approved
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              • Profile picture of the author mariusr
                Yes I am using word Walmart. Thanks a lot
                Changed that, lets see how it goes now.
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  • Profile picture of the author KyleJames
    Has anyone been able to successfully create a campaign?

    I now have 17 ad groups with 79,607 impressions, 35 clicks & 0 in earnings for the last 7 days

    I can totally see the potential with this campaign but it is clear that I am missing something big here & I don't know what. I guess I will just keep testing & adjusting.
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    Thank you for sharing this - Very interesting read
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  • Profile picture of the author mariusr
    And my ads are 100% approved now, thanks so much KyleJames
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    • Profile picture of the author KyleJames
      Originally Posted by mariusr View Post

      And my ads are 100% approved now, thanks so much KyleJames
      You are very welcome. Please keep us posted on your results. My campaign is not doing to well yet. Hopefully with some more testing & adjusting I will begin to see some results soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
    Thanks man!!

    This is the true way!
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    • Profile picture of the author mariusr
      My campaign has been running now for several days, but I don't get impressions at all, just a few hundred. No clicks. I set the bid price to 0.21, but nothing changed... Should I choose another keyword then?
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  • Profile picture of the author KyleJames
    My stats for the last 7 days:

    17 ad groups
    112,479 impressions
    55 clicks
    $20.16 spent
    0 conversions
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Sounds like a low QS. You need more content on your site. Forget the dynamic keyword insertion on your site. Only use it in your ads. Get some PLR material and add a couple of pages of content linking to your landing page. Throw in some content on your LP as well but place it at the bottom of page so your lander still looks like a lander. Keep to the basic lp structure: Order Now, Get Yours Today! etc. Also try driving some traffic to your offer through articles before setting up a PPC campaign. This will give you some valuable information. You will see if your LP converts at all, you will get some idea about conversion rates and keywords. Test several LPs with different offers. Write tons of articles to gather data

      Originally Posted by KyleJames View Post

      My stats for the last 7 days:

      17 ad groups
      112,479 impressions
      55 clicks
      $20.16 spent
      0 conversions
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      • Profile picture of the author DGA
        What does your landing page look like? Have you tested several?

        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Sounds like a low QS. You need more content on your site. Forget the dynamic keyword insertion on your site. Only use it in your ads. Get some PLR material and add a couple of pages of content linking to your landing page. Throw in some content on your LP as well but place it at the bottom of page so your lander still looks like a lander. Keep to the basic lp structure: Order Now, Get Yours Today! etc. Also try driving some traffic to your offer through articles before setting up a PPC campaign. This will give you some valuable information. You will see if your LP converts at all, you will get some idea about conversion rates and keywords. Test several LPs with different offers. Write tons of articles to gather data
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        • Profile picture of the author bravo75
          I am currently testing 12 different LP's


          Originally Posted by DGA View Post

          What does your landing page look like? Have you tested several?
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    • Profile picture of the author ben565
      Originally Posted by KyleJames View Post

      My stats for the last 7 days:

      17 ad groups
      112,479 impressions
      55 clicks
      $20.16 spent
      0 conversions
      trying to get an email/zip submit into profit on ppc is very hard,an less your
      a ppc guru i waould focus on higher paying offers
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

        trying to get an email/zip submit into profit on ppc is very hard,an less your
        a ppc guru i waould focus on higher paying offers
        Hehe starting to realize that after 15 clicks
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  • Profile picture of the author mmcqueen
    This is some great information.

    Quick question about editing the landing page you supplied.

    If we open it in frontpage and get it looking like we want, with new graphics and article info, we have to save it as a .php for it to work, correct?

    Thanks for all the help.

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  • Profile picture of the author gr8skot
    Great info I plan to play around with it tomorrow and will let you know if I have any questions. What a great post.

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author RocksIT
      anyone else know of any similar posts with other campaigns/methods for profiting with adwords?

      please post the link... I've got $110 in adwords credit and am trying to find a good type of method to use it to set up a nice little profit system....

      Yeah Butters, I think you're paying way too much for click... .20 - .25 with the payouts only $1.05-$1.50

      not impossible, but tough to profit with those margins IMHO...

      maybe go for mispellings etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    Just fired up my campaign, paying about 20-25 cents a click, so far 1k impressions and 3 clicks no conversions, got about 300 keywords, so I am gonna use 10 bucks to find out what keywords are good and what are bad, then just simply create custom landing pages for each keyword group, looking good hopefully
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    Heres a question, whats your conversion?
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  • Profile picture of the author p2y
    For those of you having trouble getting impressions, the first thing you need to do is buildup your keywords. Keep in mind that this is mostly targeting products so the bigger and broader your keyword list is the better, if you still can't get any impressions after doing that then up your bids a little (2 cents at a time) and go from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    I hate to be that guy, but I'm going to.

    If you do this method, you will end up getting banned from adwords.

    You cannot direct link to an email or zip submit offer anymore. This method did work about 2 years ago, but not anymore.

    Now, that said, you CAN still do this on the second tier ppc engines and have it work without risking your account(s).

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    • Profile picture of the author RocksIT
      PPC-Coach how is this "Direct Linking"? You're going to your own website/landing page that has an offer?

      Has anyone been banned using this method?
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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
        That's what I was thinking.


        Originally Posted by RocksIT View Post

        PPC-Coach how is this "Direct Linking"? You're going to your own website/landing page that has an offer?

        Has anyone been banned using this method?
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      • Profile picture of the author TE2
        Originally Posted by RocksIT View Post

        PPC-Coach how is this "Direct Linking"? You're going to your own website/landing page that has an offer?

        Has anyone been banned using this method?
        The Big G doesn't like landing pages with affiliate links on them.

        Regards,

        John
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  • Profile picture of the author oscarkool
    Coach is right, you can most definitely get banned doing this because you're sending traffic to a crap landing page. Google hates bridge pages and thousands of affiliates are getting banned for running them.

    In regards to keyword insertion, it doesn't work on the content network for the ads. It only works on search. Why? Because content network doesn't go by keywords. It goes by the theme of the adgroup. So don't bother with keyword insertion. Just test out a bunch of different ad headlines and see which ones gets more clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author p2y
    Coach, I think you overlooked the landing page
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    • Profile picture of the author oscarkool
      Originally Posted by p2y View Post

      Coach, I think you overlooked the landing page
      No because the landing page doesn't make a difference. Bridge pages are bad. Do them and you'll get banned. End of story. The only way to honestly succeed on adwords with CPA offers at the moment is by cloaking. Sorry, but it's the truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author topskyca
      Originally Posted by p2y View Post

      Coach, I think you overlooked the landing page
      even with a lander, u can't run such offers on yahoo. they manually review and DISAPPROVE such offers.
      but i think coach missed one thing here: not all email submits is bad or not allowed. walmart gift card such not allowed, but some other "legit" type of email submits, like thinkfamily etc. is ok with yahoo at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author glide21
    break even and out. waste of time, move on.
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  • Great ideas, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
    By the way, straight from the horse's mouth (ie. Google) on what the criteria is for them banning accounts (as of a few days ago...fulll post below):


    • Data collection sites that offer free items, etc., in order to collect private information
    • Arbitrage sites without relevant and original content that are designed for the purpose of showing ads
    • Affiliate sites without relevant and original content that are designed to drive traffic to another site with a different domain
    • "Get-rich quick" sites
    • Malware sites that install software on a visitor's computer
    • Poor comparison shopping or travel sites whose primary purpose is to send users to other shopping/travel comparison sites, rather than to provide useful content or additional search functionality


    https://adwords.google.com/support/a...&answer=164786
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  • Profile picture of the author lee stewart
    great post thanks for the detailed and superb info

    best regards

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  • Profile picture of the author mrshades
    First of all i dont like this guy!!!! i use campagns very similar to this to make great profit i wont tell you my little area but i will say this works very very well.... worst one of these i have going for ever 1.20 i spend i make 2.75... best one is about 1-4.... not drop dead rich but it deff doubles the bank account when i run them...

    Tips.
    Use The google suggestion tool he shared. Here is how i use it... say for example ur root is Pizza.... type in pizza hit suggest... then hit suggest again...should come out with about 132.. now break those up into 3 groups... group them how u like and those are three add groups u use... i know someone already metioned but i am re stating google only takes the first 50 keywords so you have to break them up.

    2. And in my mind most important tip is your LANDING PAGE... if you have 10 people go to your landing page but 0 to offer you make 0!!!! Make it short catchy... and i either an article or video below stating why they get the free offer..... The sample he gave sucks but its just that an example.. the setup is good, he gets the point across and it converts!!!

    3. i dont know if you can call this a tip... but its just what i do... i have all... and i do mean all of my email submit landing pages on the same url... i get 7-9 scores usually and they are all 1 pages simple to the point pages...

    4. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

    I really enjoyed that this info is out on warrior form at the same time i dont like sharing the profit
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  • Profile picture of the author mrshades
    First of all i dont like this guy!!!! i use campagns very similar to this to make great profit i wont tell you my little area but i will say this works very very well.... worst one of these i have going for ever 1.20 i spend i make 2.75... best one is about 1-4.... not drop dead rich but it deff doubles the bank account when i run them...

    Tips.
    Use The google suggestion tool he shared. Here is how i use it... say for example ur root is Pizza.... type in pizza hit suggest... then hit suggest again...should come out with about 132.. now break those up into 3 groups... i know someone already metioned but i am re stating google only takes the first 50 keywords so you have to break them up.

    2. And in my mind most important tip is your LANDING PAGE... if you have 10 people go to your landing page but 0 to offer you make 0!!!! Make it short and catchy... and i add either an article or video below stating why they get the free offer..... The sample he gave sucks but its just that, an example.. the setup is good, he gets the point across and it converts!!!

    3. i dont know if you can call this a tip... but its just what i do... i have all... and i do mean all of my email submit landing pages on the same url... i get 7-9 scores usually and they are all 1 pages simple to the point pages...has privacy, contact, about us, doesnt have a home, articles, and thats it...

    4. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

    I really enjoyed that this info is out on warrior form at the same time i dont like sharing the profit
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  • Profile picture of the author mrshades
    Last quick note find a niche.... i pay about 7-10c each click... if ur paying 20 ish ur paying to much for this campagn for the most part.... and be more targeted with your landing pages
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    • Profile picture of the author Burtgummer
      Originally Posted by mrshades View Post

      Last quick note find a niche.... i pay about 7-10c each click... if ur paying 20 ish ur paying to much for this campagn for the most part.... and be more targeted with your landing pages
      I'm at a loss for my landing pages. I tried the one in the example, but got 3-4 QS. I still really don't understand how to make a good landing page. I have a wordpress site running, so would a page on there be a good landing site? How many words of content do you put up to get a good QS?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Arseniy
    can I use my brothers website to do this?

    Its flash games website.

    arcadewithin.com if you want to check it out
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  • Profile picture of the author mariusr
    Guys, my antivirus (Kaspersky) detected a trojan in the Google Suggestor tool. Watch out. Anyone else's virus software detected it?
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  • Profile picture of the author GFox
    Thanks for these great tips. You have given me some new actionable ideas that I will implement.
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  • Profile picture of the author mariusr
    It says in the report: PDM.Trojan.generic
    I'm not sure what it is, maybe not a virus at all, but just in case, be careful
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    I have had some problems with this tool as well
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  • Profile picture of the author ashsmh
    Great tutorial ... For FREE... Awesome...I had lost some money on PPC on some offers. Maybe I will try this. Thanks

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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    First of all thank you P2Y for explaining this method and others who contributed as well.
    I have been trying to implement this method, but i am having some difficulties. There have been many questions about the subject of dynamic keyword and how it works. But i am not getting any clear answer to this.
    Can anybody explain what it is and how exactly it works please?

    For example you suggests to use ad in this format:

    head line: {KeyWord:Shoes} Save 100%

    description line 1: Save 100% with a Free Walmart Gift

    description line 2: # Card And Beat The Recession!

    *

    display url: mysite.com/{KeyWord:Shoes}

    destination url: http://www.mysite.com/shoes.php?KW={Shoes}

    But when i do that, the ad gets disproved because the display url isn't right!
    And there are many other questions. I would appreciated if someone could explain a little bit about this and how dynamic keyword thing works. Thank you so much in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author mariusr
      Satrap, your ad gets disapproved because you use the word "Walmart" in it. Don't use any brand names. Replace it with "Retail" or something and it gets approved I had the same problem.

      I've been trying this method also, but I didn't succeeed the first time (just tried one niche). I will surely try with other niches later, but as I have so many other ideas in my head and on implementation, the methiod is in the waiting list. But I'll let you guys know when I'm starting with it and succeeding.

      All in all I guess, you cannot just copy-paste the method, you've got to show some creativity. Try to do something different than all the others are doing. Also, you can combine this method with different others described in the forum, also, there are many good hints in the same thread. Think outside the box, do a lot of testing and you'll succeed
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      • Profile picture of the author satrap
        Originally Posted by mariusr View Post

        Satrap, your ad gets disapproved because you use the word "Walmart" in it. Don't use any brand names. Replace it with "Retail" or something and it gets approved I had the same problem.

        Thanksfor helping Mariusr, but i am not using the exact same thing, so i don't even have the word "walmart" in the ad, plus the reason for not getting approved was stated by adwords as "url not being in a correct format".
        So i thought maybe i am using the dynamic keyword thing in a wrong way.
        Any way thank you for taking the time to help Mariusr.
        Anybody else can elaborate on this subject? Thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author drboydston
          Are you using speed ppc to build your campaigns?

          If you are, then you will see that the url template will look like this by default:

          http://www.yoursite.com/index.php?seed={seed}&expansion={expansion}&final= {final}

          If you leave it like that, and then just write your ads with the proper destination url the above will still be assigned by speed ppc to each individual keyword's destination url.

          So your ad may be going to the proper place but your individual destination url's for every single keyword are wrong.

          If you don't have an individual destination url for the keyword then adwords will push them to the destination url you set in the ad.

          I have done this with campaigns inadvertently and then had my ads disapproved for the same reason. Maybe you have something similar happening.
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          • Profile picture of the author mariusr
            Try this:
            http://www.mysite.com/shoes.php?KW={KeyWord:Shoes}
            instead of what you have now:
            http://www.mysite.com/shoes.php?KW={Shoes}
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    • Profile picture of the author roozak
      Originally Posted by satrap View Post

      First of all thank you P2Y for explaining this method and others who contributed as well.
      I have been trying to implement this method, but i am having some difficulties. There have been many questions about the subject of dynamic keyword and how it works. But i am not getting any clear answer to this.
      Can anybody explain what it is and how exactly it works please?

      For example you suggests to use ad in this format:

      head line: {KeyWord:Shoes} Save 100%

      description line 1: Save 100% with a Free Walmart Gift

      description line 2: # Card And Beat The Recession!

      *

      display url: mysite.com/{KeyWord:Shoes}

      destination url: ww.mysite.com/shoes.php?KW={Shoes}

      But when i do that, the ad gets disproved because the display url isn't right!
      And there are many other questions. I would appreciated if someone could explain a little bit about this and how dynamic keyword thing works. Thank you so much in advance.
      As I stated in an earlier post - DKI will not work on the content network -Your ads are only being shown on the content network based upon a theme (which is obtained from the ad group keywords that you have in each ad group - Shhot for no more than 50 KW's per group) - Your ads will show but your landing page will not pass the DKI to it, so your page will look stupid because it wont have any of the KW's you expect it to see.

      You need to have another landing page that caters to your ad group themes, ie - If you were running a Weight Loss offer - and it was **** - then you might have an ad group that has KW's in it that pertain to "**** benefits", so you then build a page around that theme. Do the same for the other ad groups and you will have a higher CTR.

      Now if you run Search, this wont be a problem, you will have a good QS and your pages will be relevant because the KW's are being passed properly.

      The content network is tricky, be careful you can go broke very quickly with it.

      Some more food for thought, I have seen posts asking about stats - here's my quick rule of thumb - (1)Lots of impressions - No clicks = My ads suck, (2)Lots of Clicks - No conversions = My Landing page sucks, (3)Lots of clicks through to offer - No Offer Conversions = The Offer sucks. You can fix the first 2 but not the last one, unless you make your own landing page and pass the info to their sales page.

      Hope this helps,

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    • Profile picture of the author satrap
      Originally Posted by drboydston View Post

      Are you using speed ppc to build your campaigns?
      Thanks for the help, but no i am not using speed ppc. maybe i should give it a try. Thanks any way.

      Originally Posted by mariusr View Post

      Try this:
      http://www.mysite.com/shoes.php?KW={KeyWord:Shoes}
      instead of what you have now:
      http://www.mysite.com/shoes.php?KW={Shoes}
      Thanks, i will try that, maybe that will help.


      Originally Posted by roozak View Post

      As I stated in an earlier post - DKI will not work on the content network -Your ads are only being shown on the content network based upon a theme (which is obtained from the ad group keywords that you have in each ad group - Shhot for no more than 50 KW's per group) - Your ads will show but your landing page will not pass the DKI to it, so your page will look stupid because it wont have any of the KW's you expect it to see.

      You need to have another landing page that caters to your ad group themes, ie - If you were running a Weight Loss offer - and it was **** - then you might have an ad group that has KW's in it that pertain to "**** benefits", so you then build a page around that theme. Do the same for the other ad groups and you will have a higher CTR.

      Now if you run Search, this wont be a problem, you will have a good QS and your pages will be relevant because the KW's are being passed properly.

      The content network is tricky, be careful you can go broke very quickly with it.
      ...

      Hope this helps,

      Kyle

      Thanks for the detail explanation. I think i should stick with the search, because the content network and what you just explained, prove to be over my head, lol. But i will try to set up a campaign based on what you explained. Maybe i can get it going. Thank you very much for taking time to explain in detail.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrice7
    Originally Posted by p2y View Post

    I thought I would throw out a freebie campaign for people struggling to get started. This one is actually really simple and it's easy to get tons of cheap clicks. Now as you know this is for an email submit offer, actually the "win a free walmart gift card" that is available on several networks.

    Now before we go into the details of the campaign I want to mention a couple of things about running email submit campaigns. The first is that yes email submit campaigns scrub, and if you're not careful they can scrub very hard. There are 2 main reasons why they need to scrub the leads, the first is that email submits are very vulnerable to fraud. Take a quick glance at any black-hat CPA e-book/method and you'll see that it usually involves tricking people into filling out an email submit. The second reason they are scrubbed so hard is because an email alone is only worth so much, especially one that's coming from a person who is looking to get something for free.

    So how can you avoid getting scrubbed on an email submit? Easily:

    1) Rotate networks - These days advertisers have modified their back end tracking so they can pinpoint which affiliates on which networks are producing quality leads and which ones are producing bad leads. Normally they'll throttle/scrub leads based on the affiliate id level but if an advertiser notices a large amount of bad leads coming from a certain network they'll start scrubbing that entire network as well. This is why some people experience such wild swings in conversion rates when they split test 2 different networks. The solution here is to signup with as many networks that carry the offer and rotate all the URL's into prosper202. Find the network with the highest conversion rates, use it, monitor it, and if the conversion rate falls off switch the link to another network.

    2) Target the older users - Email submit advertisers are dealing with millions of leads per month so by now they've gathered enough statistical data to know what works and what doesn't and no matter how affluent your traffic sources are the story is always the same: younger users don't convert. Sure they'll signup to win a free plasma TV but when it comes time convert on the advertisers back end they are nowhere to be found. Send an advertiser too many people under the age of 30 and your affiliate ID will be on the scrub list for a few months until you get your traffic in line.

    So as long as you rotate networks and target older users you won't have any problems with getting scrubbed on an email campaign. Now that we got through that, let's get to the actual campaign.

    The offer is for the "win a free walmart gift card" which can be found on various networks. The current networks I'm using are maxbounty, neverblue, tatto media, and amped media. It's a very popular offer that many networks are carrying so you should have no trouble finding it on a network your a part of.

    My favorite thing about this offer is that it's so flexible, everybody knows what walmart is and about the products they carry (just about everything). Since it's so versatile you can target your keywords and landing pages to just about anything from food and groceries to gardening supplies and rat poison so the potential is limitless.

    Now keep in mind that we will not be running this offer on google search, only on the content network. If you run such a low payout offer like this on the search network you're just wasting your time and money.

    So the first step is to pick a category to target your keywords and landing page to, now I'm not going to give away my keywords because that will just kill the campaign when 200 people copy it but you should have no problem coming up with ideas since walmart sells just about everything. Step into your kitchen or garage for 5 minutes and I bet you’ll be able to walk away with 20 different categories to use.

    For the sake of demonstration I'm going to use the "shoes" category, the first step is to go to the adwords keyword tool which is available here:

    https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

    Now you'll want to take the top 10 keywords (broad) which in this case would be:



    Save these keywords in their own .txt file, these keywords will be your "root keywords". Now you'll want to download a program called google suggestor:

    http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?lnjrnd2nzjz

    What this program does is scrape all the suggested search queries that google provides you when you do a search, for example when you search for "shoes" google gives you this:



    Using the program is easy, just enter your first root keyword which in this case would be "shoes" and then hit suggest a few times until it stops giving you results:



    Once you're done you'll have a nice list of actively used keywords:



    When you’re done you’ll want to save each group of extracted keywords into their own text file because each group will go in it’s own ad group later on when we build the campaigns. Repeat the process with your remaining keywords until your finished with all 10 root keywords.

    Now your ready for the landing page which is probably the easiest part thanks to dynamic keyword insertion. In case you don't know what that is here is a good article explaining how it works and the benefits:

    Google AdWords Dynamic Keyword Insertion | SEO Book.com

    By using dynamic keyword insertion you can create a single landing page and then in adwords simply add ?kw={keyword} which will not only give you a good quality score (higher ad position, lower CPC) but give your visitors a relevant page as well which has been proven to increase your landing page's CTR.

    Here is what the landing page would look like:



    You can see that our keyword, which in this case would be "warriorforum" is located throughout the page which will help google score the page as relevant which will in turn give us a good quality score.

    You can download the landing page seen above here:

    http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ktajy540ktm

    You will want to edit the landing page, if adwords see so many people using the same landing pages they will probably slap all the campaigns.

    Now we're ready to move onto actually creating the campaign in adwords. When you create the campaign you'll want to make sure you target the right country, in the case of this offer it's only good for US residents so we'll stick with just the US:



    Now this next part is important because if done incorrectly it can cost you a lot of money. As I stated earlier in this guide you will want to only advertise on the google content network and NOT the search network or through search partners. I know the content network has a bad reputation and many gurus say to avoid it but in the past year google has done a really good job of cleaning it up and kicking out all the MFA/adsense spam sites out.

    Today the content network makes up a majority of my income earned through adwords and if you asked any major PPC spender they would probably tell you the same thing. Don't get the wrong idea, you can run this campaign on the search network but only after you've split tested ad copies, network scrub rates, the landing pages, and have figured out which keywords are making you money and which ones aren't.

    When you're setting up your campaign you'll want to make sure that you choose to display the ads only on the content network and on desktops and laptops only. iPhones and other mobile devices should be unchecked because these will only waste you money:



    The next section, Bidding and Budget is pretty easy. For the daily budget I recommend that you use $10. I'll talk about our bids in a little but but we will be paying an average of $0.10 per click so 100 clicks is more than enough to decide if certain category or group of keywords will convert.

    Under the advanced options you will want to choose to have your ads displayed in an accelerated manner. This will allow you to gather data and find the winning and losing campaigns much faster.



    Under advanced settings you can leave everything as it is, some people like to display their ads during certain times of the day but I have yet to see any proof that ads convert better during certain hours or days so I let them run 24/7 but if you want to you can edit them to suit your needs.

    Once you’re done with the first page, click "save and continue" and we can go on to creating our ad and importing our keywords.

    Now I already mentioned dynamic keyword insertion which can be used on landing pages but it can also be used on your ads to increase your click through rate. You can do this by using the DKI tag which in adwords is: {KeyWord}

    But in order to play it safe you need to have a fall-back keyword in case adwords decides to use a keyword like "buy discount shoes on the internet" which obviously wouldn't fit in the header. So to do this we use the following tag:

    {KeyWord:Shoes}

    This tells adwords that if our DKI keyword is too long to fit in the header, to use the keyword shoes instead. Now we can get to writing our headline.

    I'm going to use this:

    {KeyWord:Shoes} Save 100%

    Why that? Well because numbers and symbols will always grab attention from viewers, especially on the content network. And you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that the more clicks you get, the more money you can make.

    I'll keep the descriptions simple and use this:

    # Save 100% with a Free Walmart Gift
    # Card And Beat The Recession!

    So when it's finished, my ad will look like this:



    In the next section you will paste the keywords that you gathered from google suggester into the keyword box. Remember that we first took the top 10 most searched for keywords and referred to these as our "root keywords" which where then used in google suggester. Each "root keyword" will be it's own ad group for optimum relevance and quality score so make sure you only paste the proper ones.

    Now onto our keyword bids, as I mentioned earlier we're aiming for an average CPC of $0.10 per click so that we can test out the offer. If we get a lot of conversions but little traffic we can slowly increase our bids and if we get too much traffic with no conversions we can lower the bid or if the campaign just isn't working out we can dump it and move onto another niche without wasting too much money.

    Now you don't want to bid $0.10 because that is the MAXIMUM bid, generally speaking you can expect to pay 40% - 75% of your max bid so $0.18 - $0.21 is a good area to start in depending on what niche you're going into:



    Click "save ad group" and you're done! Now all you have to do is go back to your top 10 root keywords and repeat the process with the next keyword.

    I hope you guys put this info to good use, remember that the key to making this campaign profitable is to target the right categories. Since Walmart carries everything and is so well known you can use it on just about anything.

    If you need any help, let me know
    This is excellent. Can't wait to try. Does it work with other types of email submits?
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Khan
    Once you submit a campaign how long does it take to start showing your ads?
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  • Profile picture of the author mariusr
    If everything is alright it can be 10-20 minutes until Google approves your ad. But if there are some things Google doesn't like or are suspicious, then it you can be in pending status for days or weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author President
    Thanks a lot for sharing your gread idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lady
    This is a very kind and unselfish gift. Thank you. I have no idea how I could repay such kindness.
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    • Profile picture of the author TonyV
      Happy New Year and thanks for sharing in the true spirit of this forum. To take the time to give detail like this for free is awesome. You rock!
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  • Profile picture of the author webtrends
    Pretty Sweet idea. Thanks for being generous to US.. Newbies..
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  • Profile picture of the author kimmer551
    Shawn Parker, you hit the nail with the HAMMER!
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  • Profile picture of the author jote123
    I appreciate the all the detail provide by p2y.

    I just wanted to report my progress thus far on making this work:

    180k impressions
    183 clicks to my landing page
    1 conversion.

    I now working to get more clicks so I can then work on the conversion.

    I'm with tgeo ( and Parker above a couple of posts). But I'm still going to try and make it work.

    If there is one thing I've learned it is that perseverance is the only way to be successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
    Thanks for the adwords trick
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  • Profile picture of the author Colton
    Would love to hear some results from people.
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    • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
      Originally Posted by Colton View Post

      Would love to hear some results from people.
      Yes, how many making $100 per day so far? Raise your hands, anybody??
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      So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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  • Profile picture of the author sitywyde
    I noticed the site you use is php...I am not familiar, does this work with a simple html site?or is it imposible?
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  • Profile picture of the author raj5
    brilliant post, great info. thanks
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    I am impressed....to say the least
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  • Profile picture of the author dremama
    Infact you did well to release such a priced information. ALL ll'l SAY IS GOD BLESS YOU!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joey Babbs
      Can someone please reply with some real results? Although it sounds great in theory has anyone actually tested and tried it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon74
    Wow what can I say people are charging $37-47 for those kind of info and you giving it for free thank you so much sir...

    Simon
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  • Profile picture of the author firstdandy
    Thanks for a great idea. What will be the total revenue for this method? Is that $100 all profit?
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  • Profile picture of the author bushidosurfer
    Hi p2y,

    Amazing post! Thanks for your generosity. Kenster was right to say there's lots of gems in this thread Am re-reading this a few times so that I understand your method. Can't wait to test this out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    4 pages, thousands of views.

    Anybody actually manage to generate a ROI
    following P2Y's guide?
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  • Profile picture of the author cresad
    thanks for the great idea,
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  • Profile picture of the author russells
    That is just what I wanted to see right now! Thanks, so much!

    I'm on it!
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  • Profile picture of the author gkappny
    Awesome post thanks for the great info!
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    • Profile picture of the author bitriot
      To everyone asking about results - I am confused what you are looking for. CPA marketing in a PPC model is pretty straight forward: PPC to direct traffic -> landing page to pre-sell and drive traffic to offer -> convert.

      This guide shows you exactly how to do that. The next steps are tracking, testing and optimization which you can find tons of threads about here.

      PPC marketing can be intimidating but the only way to create experience in this area is to start doing it. No guide is going to give you an exact formula because there is none.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave18
    great guide! looking forward to trying it out
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  • Profile picture of the author cpacall2
    hi
    thanks for this generous post.
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    Guys, this post was a great share almost 1 year ago and the OP deserves all the "thanks" that he's received.

    However, I think that if you follow those exact same steps with Google today you will be bagging for a slap. So if you want to use this method you need to either apply your own twists to please Google or simply use other ad platforms.


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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Great post. But you have to send them a LP right? I do not think oyu can direct link to the offer page with Google?

    So what's your average EPC?
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  • Profile picture of the author philipdenn
    Also if thats the case in the article we write how do we then write a relevant article about a term we wont know.With your example where you used warrior forum when you built your LP did you use the code where the word appears? And that then makes it show up whatever the search term was?
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  • Profile picture of the author Saucy
    is anyone still trying this method or too old now?
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  • Profile picture of the author ryder553
    What a great guide man!
    Thanks a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Zapp
    Great info and detailed which is even better. Perfect for the new guys jumping in the email submit field.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeremyShawaf
      HORRIBLE FOR ANYONE NOW. Stay away.....stay far away.........lol ask me how I know.

      Goodluck, might as well trash this post or at least archive it, because it doesnt apply today......but maybe it's good, because itll root out some of our adwords competition, lol

      DONT DO IT, just like......dont do it.

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  • Profile picture of the author jpbon
    I'm a newbie and that's frickin' awesome! Thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author king153
    Thanks for sharing!
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    • Profile picture of the author volkansen
      Originally Posted by king153 View Post

      Thanks for sharing!
      :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    If you follow it to the letter, (like most will want to), then yes you'll get banned by adwords. However if you take what is shown and apply it to another traffic source you can STILL DO THIS.

    So many newbies take everything as written in stone and refuse to be creative or substitute another traffic source in with the method.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jetmir
    This is hell of an old thread, but it's some high quality one. It will no doubt help many newbies have success if they put on their own twists to make it happen.
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