I'M OFFERING $15.000,00 MONTHLY TO CPA INVESTMENT!

by bizprivate 149 replies
Dear Warriors,

I"m willing to invest $15K monthly ($15.000,00) to partner with a skilled CPA marketer that can reach an average ROI of 1000%. ( I saw several posts claiming ROI's up to 5000% ).
My skills are PPC related and I'm looking for someone familiar with PPV/CPV. I'm offering 25% of the profits. Just serious proposals please.
My name is Luiz Rocha. You can reply here, PM me, e-mail me to admin@getpaths.com or call (collect if you want) to my cell at +55 19 9796 3224.

I'm Brazilian and live in Brazil, but all my business are targeted to the US Market.

Thanks a lot for your attention....
#ad networks (cpm/cpl, display) #cpa #investment #monthly #offering
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    only 1000% ROI? At 15K a month, you should be looking at 10,000 or 100,000%ROI.

    1000% is for chumps.
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

      only 1000% ROI? At 15K a month, you should be looking at 10,000 or 100,000%ROI.

      1000% is for chumps.
      AS I said....I have no CPA skills....
      I have a 300% ROI with my PPC business that I run since 1999 and generate a comfortable 7 figures yearly income...so 1000% sounded like magic for me....

      If you can reach the ROI you mentioned please reply, call me or PM me...I'm DEAD SERIOUS about my proposal....

      Thanks for your message
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      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

      only 1000% ROI? At 15K a month, you should be looking at 10,000 or 100,000%ROI.

      1000% is for chumps.

      Too bad i dont have that kind of capital to hire you...If not i would be very very rich by now...lol
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      • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
        Originally Posted by ocean80 View Post

        Too bad i dont have that kind of capital to hire you...If not i would be very very rich by now...lol
        Yep...The problem is that our friend doesn't reply...I'd be happy even with 500%....I hope he appears and let me know what to do next...Meanwhile, other threads about CPA show comments about high ROIs....Where are those expert guys? I'm dead serious about my proposal....
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        • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
          Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

          Yep...The problem is that our friend doesn't reply...I'd be happy even with 500%....I hope he appears and let me know what to do next...Meanwhile, other threads about CPA show comments about high ROIs....Where are those expert guys? I'm dead serious about my proposal....
          reverse the question, would you take 15K from somebody who wants you to spend your days n nights working in ppc / adwords for a 300% return.

          and for your efforts they will give you a 25% return then spin you around and set you to work on the next months take like a good little boy, and to boot your now using the money you just made in your time to fund me forever at no cost. snap snap hurry up

          the intelligence level to make the money out weighs the logic your asking the person to work under?

          You would be better off spending say 5K of that money and hiring a good mentor and investing the other 10K yourself.
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          • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
            Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

            reverse the question, would you take 15K from somebody who wants you to spend your days n nights working in ppc / adwords for a 300% return.

            and for your efforts they will give you a 25% return then spin you around and set you to work on the next months take like a good little boy, and to boot your now using the money you just made in your time to fund me forever at no cost. snap snap hurry up

            the intelligence level to make the money out weighs the logic your asking the person to work under?

            You would be better off spending say 5K of that money and hiring a good mentor and investing the other 10K yourself.
            I hear you...
            Let me tell you something...
            Years ago I created what I was sure that was a perfect system to buy traffic from some PPC and send to others...It was a long ago...years before people discovered "arbitrage".
            And I never used Google or Yahoo....
            I had no money to start...and found someone that believed me and decided to invest...
            It changed my life forever...and we still run this partnership....with some changes...now we both use my system and we both make 7 figures a year.
            What I had in mind with my offer was to find someone skilled but without the money to invest....and 25% was just an idea....it could be a 50/50 basis deal....no problem for me...
            Now it seems that I'm trying to "take advantage" over someone...and this is not the case.
            If I had the money and the CPA skills, I'd do it by myself...of course...
            But I don't have the skills...and more important...I don't have the time to manage it....as I need to take care of my actual business...
            This is just a business proposal....and I don't wanna take advantage over nobody....

            Just to let it clear...

            Thanks,

            Luiz
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  • Profile picture of the author kirch
    1000% ROI?? Seems impossible and unrealistic !!
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by kirch View Post

      1000% ROI?? Seems impossible and unrealistic !!
      Hello,

      You see the point? That's not what our friend Jeremy Kelsall says...
      Are you used with CPA ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    I dont think 1000% is unrealistic, but I'm confused what you are asking for. A coach? Or just somebody to put your money into campaigns and then essentially pay you.

    hmmmm
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      I dont think 1000% is unrealistic, but I'm confused what you are asking for. A coach? Or just somebody to put your money into campaigns and then essentially pay you.

      hmmmm
      Hi,

      I don't wanna a coach. I want a skilled CPA marketer to take care of all...and keep 25% of the profits as the reward to his/her efforts. We both would have access to all, of course...and a signed contract before we go ahead...
      I don't have time to a coaching program..I have my business to take care...
      Thanks for asking....
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      Originally Posted by smashedpumpkins View Post

      To be totally honest even though you are the investor you should be the one profiting 25% and the CPA marketer should take 75%.
      Do you pay your stock broker 75% of your earnings?
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      • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
        Originally Posted by Phobos View Post

        Do you pay your stock broker 75% of your earnings?
        Well said man....I really think that 25% is a more than fair %. Anyway...This post is not a "test" or a "survey",,,,I'm really looking for someone to work with...SERIOUSLY and ASAP.


        Thanks...
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      Originally Posted by smashedpumpkins View Post

      To be totally honest even though you are the investor you should be the one profiting 25% and the CPA marketer should take 75%.
      I agree, you would still do nothing... On the other hand, a CPA marketer who achieves 1000 or 5000 ROI would re-invest their money and keep 100 %.
      Sorry, I didn't want to be rude just realistic....
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    This is what I dont understand. I can just invest 15k of my own money and keep 100% fo the profit. For intermediate people who dont want to risk any money, this may be a good offer, but then of course your investment advisor isnt as knowledgable or talented. 15k a month is a lot of money, but not really in the scope of things...when you are talking about 1000+ % profit, 15k isnt that much.

    May be a great offer for somebody here though!
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      This is what I dont understand. I can just invest 15k of my own money and keep 100% fo the profit. For intermediate people who dont want to risk any money, this may be a good offer, but then of course your investment advisor isnt as knowledgable or talented. 15k a month is a lot of money, but not really in the scope of things...when you are talking about 1000+ % profit, 15k isnt that much.

      May be a great offer for somebody here though!
      I hear you....so this is not for you....Thanks anyway...
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      • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
        Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

        I hear you....so this is not for you....Thanks anyway...
        what kenster has said makes sense, i very much doubt you will get any person who knows what they are doing to swap out their return at a 75% loss than what they can get on their own.

        you may get somebody who thinks they can do it make an offer ?

        these posts seem more common of late ?
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        • Profile picture of the author Nicky Papers
          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          what kenster has said makes sense, i very much doubt you will get any person who knows what they are doing to swap out their return at a 75% loss than what they can get on their own.

          you may get somebody who thinks they can do it make an offer ?

          these posts seem more common of late ?

          Anyone with PPC skills and that can deliver what you are looking for will be bank rolling themselves.

          This might appeal to someone who's had success but went belly up on a media buy.

          This could work for someone out there.... Not something I'd be into. Sorry. : )
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by smashedpumpkins View Post

      Your ability as a stock broker is limited a lot more than your ability as a marketer. As a stock broker you're bringing in 5%-10% yearly whereas this user is requesting 1000% monthly. Anyone that can bring in 1000% can make themselves rich without an investor.
      Hi,

      - I'm not a stock broker, I'm a PPC Search Engine owner.

      - I made a 300% ROI with my business (and started with third party resources).

      - I make 7 figures a year ( since 2004 ) doing what I already do.

      - Send your comment to Mr. Jeremy Kelsall...He seems to have a different point of view.


      Thanks anyway...
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      • Profile picture of the author JayInOrlando
        I don't quite get it. If your skilled with PPC, then all you need to do is pick a good CPA campaign and use your PCC skills to bid on some keywords and there you go. $5000 grand should be plenty.

        Hell, tell you what. I've got a CPA campaign ready to go now, give me 2k and I'll test some PPC traffic to it, if it works then I'll let you handle setting up a bigger campaign and will pay you out of the profits.

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        • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
          Originally Posted by JayInOrlando View Post

          I don't quite get it. If your skilled with PPC, then all you need to do is pick a good CPA campaign and use your PCC skills to bid on some keywords and there you go. $5000 grand should be plenty.

          Hell, tell you what. I've got a CPA campaign ready to go now, give me 2k and I'll test some PPC traffic to it, if it works then I'll let you handle setting up a bigger campaign and will pay you out of the profits.

          Jay
          Hi,

          I'm skilled with PPC but I want someone skilled with CPV...much lower bids...I want someone to manage the right CPA offers and get traffic from CPV networks...That's it....

          Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author bqpennell
            Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

            Hi,

            I'm skilled with PPC but I want someone skilled with CPV...much lower bids...I want someone to manage the right CPA offers and get traffic from CPV networks...That's it....

            Thanks

            So you want someone to do all the work and only give them 25%. So did someone actually do that deal?

            My thoughts is if someone could do those type's of numbers you are asking for they would be doing it them self for 100%.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tamer
    It's an interest conversation between you guys

    I'm very experienced in CPV, but can't accept your offer...

    Here are my comments:
    1- 1000% return is possible but it isn't easy.
    2- Most of those who can achieve this will prefer to do it with their own money (and keep 100% of profits).

    My advise to you, is to approach a seasonal marketer and see if the offer rings any bells or not... asking in a general CPV forum, will get you the comments you got so far

    of course with all respect to all fellow warriors, but you didn't get the person you are looking for.

    Good luck,

    Tamer
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by timtim2500 View Post

      It's an interest conversation between you guys

      I'm very experienced in CPV, but can't accept your offer...

      Here are my comments:
      1- 1000% return is possible but it isn't easy.
      2- Most of those who can achieve this will prefer to do it with their own money (and keep 100% of profits).

      My advise to you, is to approach a seasonal marketer and see if the offer rings any bells or not... asking in a general CPV forum, will get you the comments you got so far

      of course with all respect to all fellow warriors, but you didn't get the person you are looking for.

      Good luck,

      Tamer
      Hi Tamer,

      Thanks a lot....
      You are right....If I had the CPV skills I'd do it myself as I do with PPC....:-)
      My goal is to find someone with the skills but without the money to invest.
      I was lucky enough in the past to find an investor to use my skills...and we worked together for years until he decided to retire....
      But it seems that I'll not find someone here right? Anyone you know could help me out?

      Thanks a lot for your help....:-)
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by Bobby Carson View Post

      Hey man...

      If you have done well with PPC since 1999, why not just pay a nominal fee, get a good course and learn how to do CPA marketing yourself? That way, you can reap 100% of the profits.

      That's what I would do at least.,..

      Regards
      Bobby
      Hi,

      I'm already doing it....but I want to "bypass" the learning curve....and I need time to manage my running business. Maybe I should hire someone....any suggestion?

      Thanks for your comments...
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  • Profile picture of the author Wham
    the problem I see is if someone is good enough with CPA and CPV to get that kinda ROI then they probably are make awesome money themselves which doing this wouldn't make sense for them.

    I agree with Bobby, you might run into some starting losses at first but it'd be better in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vitaliy K
    1000% ???? I don´t think it´ll work, but it is worth trying, because I´ve just made a research on Google and it seems there are some people getting 1000% ... hm-hm-hm
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by Vitaliy K View Post

      1000% ???? I don´t think it´ll work, but it is worth trying, because I´ve just made a research on Google and it seems there are some people getting 1000% ... hm-hm-hm
      Where are those guys? LOL
      Probably already driving a Ferrari or enjoying another cruise....
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  • Profile picture of the author TE2
    Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

    Dear Warriors,

    I"m willing to invest $15K monthly ($15.000,00) to partner with a skilled CPA marketer that can reach an average ROI of 1000%. ( I saw several posts claiming ROI's up to 5000% ).
    My skills are PPC related and I'm looking for someone familiar with PPV/CPV. I'm offering 25% of the profits. Just serious proposals please.
    My name is Luiz Rocha. You can reply here, PM me, e-mail me to admin@getpaths.com or call (collect if you want) to my cell at +55 19 9796 3224.

    I'm Brazilian and live in Brazil, but all my business are targeted to the US Market.

    Thanks a lot for your attention....
    Luiz,

    Here's my sincere opinion and advice...

    You need to play in a bigger traffic market with the ad spend you are allocating.

    First, I say that because of the limited volume of CPV traffic available for your ad spend. It would be very challenging to develop and maintain the campaigns necessary to hit the results you desire using CPV traffic.

    Second, the bigger traffic market that I am referring to is "media buys".

    Third, you need to learn how to do this otherwise it is a short-term prospect. I'm not interested in your offer but always glad to help another warrior advance when I can.

    To your wealth,

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

      Luiz,

      Here's my sincere opinion and advice...

      You need to play in a bigger traffic market with the ad spend you are allocating.

      First, I say that because of the limited volume of CPV traffic available for your ad spend. It would be very challenging to develop and maintain the campaigns necessary to hit the results you desire using CPV traffic.

      Second, the bigger traffic market that I am referring to is "media buys".

      Third, you need to learn how to do this otherwise it is a short-term prospect. I'm not interested in your offer but always glad to help another warrior advance when I can.

      To your wealth,

      John
      Hi,

      You are right....
      But rest assured that large traffic is possible from networks like MediaTraffic, TrafficVance and others ( I mean...very large daily amounts).
      Networks like "Buy Sell Ads" are great...but I don't know if the right ones to my needs...
      What do you think?

      Thanks...
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      • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
        Hi guys,

        I'll be out for the next 2 days and will be back to the discussion when back...
        Thanks a lot,

        Luiz


        PS. In case someone need or want ...please reach me on my cell at +55 19 9796 3224....No problem to call collect as I'm in Brazil....Thanks again...
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        Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

        Hi,

        You are right....
        But rest assured that large traffic is possible from networks like MediaTraffic, TrafficVance and others ( I mean...very large daily amounts).
        Networks like "Buy Sell Ads" are great...but I don't know if the right ones to my needs...
        What do you think?

        Thanks...
        Hey again Luiz,

        Yes, they can provide large amounts of traffic, but the point I am trying make is... when you consider the as spend and your required returns, it is going to mean a lot of campaigns. That means lots of initial research and setup work plus a lot of effort monitoring, tweaking and maintaining. Media buys would be a lot less effort - fewer campaigns and less work for similar results.

        I really think with your PPC abilities you would be able to do well and with a small learning curve. You already have the research and targeting skills needed.

        I started to re-open my coaching last week but a certain project is more important to me and it involves something I am developing. I may be able to help you and you may be able to help me...

        Tell you what, I will PM you about a different sort of joint project.

        Regards,

        John
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        • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
          Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

          Hey again Luiz,

          Yes, they can provide large amounts of traffic, but the point I am trying make is... when you consider the as spend and your required returns, it is going to mean a lot of campaigns. That means lots of initial research and setup work plus a lot of effort monitoring, tweaking and maintaining. Media buys would be a lot less effort - fewer campaigns and less work for similar results.

          I really think with your PPC abilities you would be able to do well and with a small learning curve. You already have the research and targeting skills needed.

          I started to re-open my coaching last week but a certain project is more important to me and it involves something I am developing. I may be able to help you and you may be able to help me...

          Tell you what, I will PM you about a different sort of joint project.

          Regards,

          John
          Dear John,

          Just signed with Media Buys...Thanks A LOT for the tip....I didn't know the guys so far...:-)
          I look forward your PM....I may be back online by Friday...

          Take care,

          Luiz
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  • Profile picture of the author dropship
    I would imagine that any skilled CPA marketer will have more than $15K to spend of their own money to achieve 100% of the profits.

    I really don't see how this would be a benefit at only 25% payout.
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    • Profile picture of the author pozzy
      I feel as if this request is asking for trouble.
      What sort of PPV expert who can guarantee 1000% would take 25% when they can get 100%.
      I'd recommend you reconsider this proposal, and be very wary of who approaches you that is willing to do this.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingJessie
    50/50 sounds more like it man! No one is going to take that type of cut in this industry if they do all the work. Why should they and just keep 25%?
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingJessie
    50/50 sounds more like it man! No one is going to take that type of cut in this industry if they do all the work. Why should they and just keep 25%?
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by MarketingJessie View Post

      50/50 sounds more like it man! No one is going to take that type of cut in this industry if they do all the work. Why should they and just keep 25%?
      Whatever...I don't mind to close a 50/50 basis deal....but it seems impossible to find someone interested...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Luiz, I do think its an interesting and valid proposal. No harm in asking and there may be that superstar CPA marketer out there that is skilled but doesnt like to take on risk. There are people out there that dont want to risk a dime. I think this is who you are looking for, somebody who is skilled but for whatever reason doesnt want to risk his/her own money.

    It may be hard to find that person because most people who are good, become that way by taking risks and taking action. And if they are good then these actions turned in to money so they have a decent amount of their own money to invest.

    With that said, there may be somebody out there who is a good fit!
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      Luiz, I do think its an interesting and valid proposal. No harm in asking and there may be that superstar CPA marketer out there that is skilled but doesnt like to take on risk. There are people out there that dont want to risk a dime. I think this is who you are looking for, somebody who is skilled but for whatever reason doesnt want to risk his/her own money.

      It may be hard to find that person because most people who are good, become that way by taking risks and taking action. And if they are good then these actions turned in to money so they have a decent amount of their own money to invest.

      With that said, there may be somebody out there who is a good fit!
      You got the point Kenster...:-)
      And let me tell you....I could invest even more than $15K...but I need to taste the waters...agree? 3 years ago I invested a small amount partnering with a PPC company....after 8 months of work and a safe partnership deal, I decided to increase the investments...and guess what? I made about $250K...yep...$250.000,00 that I NEVER RECEIVED...:-( The company vanished away with my money and other people's money...
      So...if there's a risk...it applies to BOTH parts...
      But the main question here is : WHERE IS THIS SKILLED AND HONEST GUY? LOL
      If you find him/her....I'll pay you a $15K reward...:-) Deal?

      Thanks for your comments,

      Luiz
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        Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

        You got the point Kenster...:-)
        And let me tell you....I could invest even more than $15K...but I need to taste the waters...agree? 3 years ago I invested a small amount partnering with a PPC company....after 8 months of work and a safe partnership deal, I decided to increase the investments...and guess what? I made about $250K...yep...$250.000,00 that I NEVER RECEIVED...:-( The company vanished away with my money and other people's money...
        So...if there's a risk...it applies to BOTH parts...
        But the main question here is : WHERE IS THIS SKILLED AND HONEST GUY? LOL
        If you find him/her....I'll pay you a $15K reward...:-) Deal?

        Thanks for your comments,

        Luiz
        if you are serious, i would be happy with 1k reward to give you his contact.
        i know a person who is making 100k/month with ppv+ppc+media buys
        but he is mainly doing ppv+media buys for cpa.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
          Originally Posted by webfighter View Post

          if you are serious, i would be happy with 1k reward to give you his contact.
          i know a person who is making 100k/month with ppv+ppc+media buys
          but he is mainly doing ppv+media buys for cpa.

          To know serous and honest persons is never enough...agree? I'll gladly pay you $1K if the guy you introduce me can invest my money with the same average ROI I'm already getting... seriously...and you have all WF as your witness...:-)
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    go for some realistic plan... and i am in.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      go for some realistic plan... and i am in.

      Thanks
      AB
      Please suggest....

      A CPA investment club? Just an idea....
      your turn...:-)
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
    Hey Luiz, please don't take offense to what I'm posting, I'm actually trying to save you some risk, but in my opinion, your deal just doesn't make sense for you or a seasoned CPA pro..........and here's why:

    To come to a public internet forum to hire someone who A) you don't know B) you never met and C) never did business with is very risky for you, to say the least......

    Then to want at LEAST 50% of the profit if not more, from a CPA pro (I assume you don't want to do business with a CPA noobie) and not do any of the work.....its just not realistic, and quite frankly its pretty risky for you if you do find someone who takes your offer.....at least in my opinion.

    Now I am by no means a CPA master. Matter of fact, the only reason I'm into Internet Marketing is because I had a very serious heart attack about 3 years ago........

    ..........you know the whole thing,......... my heart stopped, I was rushed into an 8 hour triple bypass surgery...... la di da di da................I don't think I need to bore you with anymore details.......

    Anyway, I decided that I had enough money and I'd much rather live than die..........but I got bored doing nothing, so I got into IM just to keep myself busy, then I saw the potential and now I'm a little more serious about it.

    I used to make my living in Real Estate.........Manhattan, Brooklyn and a little in Queens, all boros of NYC.

    In any case, like you and PPC, I was very good at what I did. I started in 1990 buying anything I could north of 96th Street and south of 14th Street, in Manhattan.............midtown was too expensive for me at the time.........nothing huge, mostly 10-40 unit buildings and a few brownstones, which I never kept, I just flipped those........believe me its just as much a pain in the arse running a 4 unit building as it is running a 40 unit building, but I digress.

    Make a long story short, a private lender, that I had done business with, came to me in 2000 and told me he'd give me a lot of money to invest(I'm not gonna say exactly how much, ..........you say you make 7 figures.....suffice it to say it was slightly north of 7 figures) .........I would find and manage the deals and we'd go 50/50........

    I said no.

    Why?............. think about it.

    By 2000 I was a pro at RE investing and managing buildings, and I assume you want a CPA pro working for you......... anyway his terms didn't make sense.........

    1. I had to do all the work and only get 50% of the deal........

    2. I could have gone to any number of banks I was doing business with and gotten the same amount, if not more, at 8-10% (at that time) and kept 100% of the profit, I had no reason to give up 50% of any deal just for the money, at that time.

    Now when I was starting out I would have taken the deal in a second, but it never would have been offered to me because when I was starting I had no track record.

    So asking a seasoned CPA pro with a proven track record, for even a 50/50 split just doesn't make business sense for the CPAer, it might for you but not for them.

    If you do find someone who takes you up on your deal, make sure he's the real thing or you may lose your $15k, .........which lets face it, at 7 figures a year, thats really just BlackJack money, 30 hands the most.........I mean if you're willing to take the risk.....some people are very risk averse.

    Capital is easy to get when you're good and successful at what you do, like many of the CPA bigwigs on this forum, and like you with PPC.

    If I were you I'd hire someone you trust, and pay $15K to have them taught the CPA biz by a pro, if you don't feel like going thru the hassle yourself, then pay him/her whatever you want and he/her can make you your money while you continue to dominate PPC.

    Again, I'm just trying to give you what I think is some relevant advice.

    Good luck to you, no matter what you decide.

    Peace
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by FrankBowman View Post

      Hey Luiz, please don't take offense to what I'm posting, I'm actually trying to save you some risk, but in my opinion, your deal just doesn't make sense for you or a seasoned CPA pro..........and here's why:

      To come to a public internet forum to hire someone who A) you don't know B) you never met and C) never did business with is very risky for you, to say the least......

      Then to want at LEAST 50% of the profit if not more, from a CPA pro (I assume you don't want to do business with a CPA noobie) and not do any of the work.....its just not realistic, and quite frankly its pretty risky for you if you do find someone who takes your offer.....at least in my opinion.

      Now I am by no means a CPA master. Matter of fact, the only reason I'm into Internet Marketing is because I had a very serious heart attack about 3 years ago........

      ..........you know the whole thing,......... my heart stopped, I was rushed into an 8 hour triple bypass surgery...... la di da di da................I don't think I need to bore you with anymore details.......

      Anyway, I decided that I had enough money and I'd much rather live than die..........but I got bored doing nothing, so I got into IM just to keep myself busy, then I saw the potential and now I'm a little more serious about it.

      I used to make my living in Real Estate.........Manhattan, Brooklyn and a little in Queens, all boros of NYC.

      In any case, like you and PPC, I was very good at what I did. I started in 1990 buying anything I could north of 96th Street and south of 14th Street, in Manhattan.............midtown was too expensive for me at the time.........nothing huge, mostly 10-40 unit buildings and a few brownstones, which I never kept, I just flipped those........believe me its just as much a pain in the arse running a 4 unit building as it is running a 40 unit building, but I digress.

      Make a long story short, a private lender, that I had done business with, came to me in 2000 and told me he'd give me a lot of money to invest(I'm not gonna say exactly how much, ..........you say you make 7 figures.....suffice it to say it was slightly north of 7 figures) .........I would find and manage the deals and we'd go 50/50........

      I said no.

      Why?............. think about it.

      By 2000 I was a pro at RE investing and managing buildings, and I assume you want a CPA pro working for you......... anyway his terms didn't make sense.........

      1. I had to do all the work and only get 50% of the deal........

      2. I could have gone to any number of banks I was doing business with and gotten the same amount, if not more, at 8-10% (at that time) and kept 100% of the profit, I had no reason to give up 50% of any deal just for the money, at that time.

      Now when I was starting out I would have taken the deal in a second, but it never would have been offered to me because when I was starting I had no track record.

      So asking a seasoned CPA pro with a proven track record, for even a 50/50 split just doesn't make business sense for the CPAer, it might for you but not for them.

      If you do find someone who takes you up on your deal, make sure he's the real thing or you may lose your $15k, .........which lets face it, at 7 figures a year, thats really just BlackJack money, 30 hands the most.........I mean if you're willing to take the risk.....some people are very risk averse.

      Capital is easy to get when you're good and successful at what you do, like many of the CPA bigwigs on this forum, and like you with PPC.

      If I were you I'd hire someone you trust, and pay $15K to have them taught the CPA biz by a pro, if you don't feel like going thru the hassle yourself, then pay him/her whatever you want and he/her can make you your money while you continue to dominate PPC.

      Again, I'm just trying to give you what I think is some relevant advice.

      Good luck to you, no matter what you decide.

      Peace
      Hi Frank,


      To say the least...GREAT post and advices my friend....
      Makes sense....A LOT of sense....
      I'll really take the weekend to think about all you said....
      I wish you all the best...and take care of your so generous heart...:-)

      Enjoy the weekend,


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  • Profile picture of the author KevScarb
    Well I still don't get why someone who would have the ability to turn 300% ROI on PPC would not just take the time to sort out a Cost Per View campaign on their own. I can't get near 300% ROI on PPC, hell I am happy if I can break even on most of it.

    Here is my 2 cents as to why I think you have a problem with this offer.

    I work with the the amount you are talking about on CPV. My budget is now more or less $500 per day so 15k per month, this month a little over 16k , and after about 6 months I am between 300 - 400 % ROI, clearly not in the league you are looking for, but still making more than I would get from a 25% share with you even if I could hit your numbers, which I can't by the way.

    You see here is my problem, I was taught to do this by choosing one niche. You learn that market, you learn everything you can about it, and you perfect it, you build a business in it. No secret, just one system, one focus, and learn to test and track everything , every headline, every landing page, pop over v pop under, pictures, colours, everything, and you improve as you go. It has taken quite a while to get to where I am now, 6 months on this niche alone. Some urls can give me 1000%, some where there is greater competition I get much less and then there are others that just about break even and quite a number lose, and other times, well let's just say I end up taking a bath, you can't win them all but with the way I work, even on the urls where I make a small loss, In most cases I make it up on the back end, but trying to scale up is not easy. One of the problems with cost per view, and any traffic source for that matter is I can only take what traffic is there, sometimes there is only so much traffic the network has that is right for your offer and that will be profitable. If there are only 1000 impressions to be had for a good converting url, no extra cash is going to change that, and I am sure i am not the only guy in this market who has hit a traffic ceiling targeting a profitable url. Every time you try and scale up, it takes more time to test things out, you win some and lose some and you stand still again for a few weeks untill you have enough data to know what is working. Working that out for myself is one thing, having to answer to someone else is exactly why I stopped working for " the man " in the first place.

    And for what it's worth I think Jeremy was been Ironic about the 100,000% ROI.

    Best of you luck with your request.


    Kev
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by KevScarb View Post

      Well I still don't get why someone who would have the ability to turn 300% ROI on PPC would not just take the time to sort out a Cost Per View campaign on their own. I can't get near 300% ROI on PPC, hell I am happy if I can break even on most of it.

      Here is my 2 cents as to why I think you have a problem with this offer.

      I work with the the amount you are talking about on CPV. My budget is now more or less $500 per day so 15k per month, this month a little over 16k , and after about 6 months I am between 300 - 400 % ROI, clearly not in the league you are looking for, but still making more than I would get from a 25% share with you even if I could hit your numbers, which I can't by the way.

      You see here is my problem, I was taught to do this by choosing one niche. You learn that market, you learn everything you can about it, and you perfect it, you build a business in it. No secret, just one system, one focus, and learn to test and track everything , every headline, every landing page, pop over v pop under, pictures, colours, everything, and you improve as you go. It has taken quite a while to get to where I am now, 6 months on this niche alone. Some urls can give me 1000%, some where there is greater competition I get much less and then there are others that just about break even and quite a number lose, and other times, well let's just say I end up taking a bath, you can't win them all but with the way I work, even on the urls where I make a small loss, In most cases I make it up on the back end, but trying to scale up is not easy. One of the problems with cost per view, and any traffic source for that matter is I can only take what traffic is there, sometimes there is only so much traffic the network has that is right for your offer and that will be profitable. If there are only 1000 impressions to be had for a good converting url, no extra cash is going to change that, and I am sure i am not the only guy in this market who has hit a traffic ceiling targeting a profitable url. Every time you try and scale up, it takes more time to test things out, you win some and lose some and you stand still again for a few weeks untill you have enough data to know what is working. Working that out for myself is one thing, having to answer to someone else is exactly why I stopped working for " the man " in the first place.

      And for what it's worth I think Jeremy was been Ironic about the 100,000% ROI.

      Best of you luck with your request.


      Kev
      Dear Friend,

      Thanks a lot for your comments.
      As you explained so well (and I learned from it...and I'm not ironic) there's a lot of work to put things up...as I already do with my PPC business. That's why I had the investment idea. I already have my focus on my PPC business....it seems that the best I can do is to keep doing it and forget about "partnerships".

      Thanks a lot for your help,


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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    No one can guarantee that kind of ROI over and over again
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  • Profile picture of the author brik2500
    Hey Luiz....I see it as a very valid offer....even if its a seasoned pro, if they're business savvy enough they would have the knowledge to ramp their system up without that much more effort on their part while making it a win/win scenario. Percentages would probably be negotiated which I don't see it being a problem to you.

    But I get you....you want these big boys to put up and you'll throw your money in the ring to see if they can deliver....I believe thats one of the biggest elements to you, as well as making a profit on your money...


    On the other hand, there is people out there with skill and no capital to ramp it up.....in this case, finding someone like that is like a diamond in the rough.

    Best wishes on it...and I'll keep an eye out for you....

    thanks

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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by brik2500 View Post

      Hey Luiz....I see it as a very valid offer....even if its a seasoned pro, if they're business savvy enough they would have the knowledge to ramp their system up without that much more effort on their part while making it a win/win scenario. Percentages would probably be negotiated which I don't see it being a problem to you.

      But I get you....you want these big boys to put up and you'll throw your money in the ring to see if they can deliver....I believe thats one of the biggest elements to you, as well as making a profit on your money...


      On the other hand, there is people out there with skill and no capital to ramp it up.....in this case, finding someone like that is like a diamond in the rough.

      Best wishes on it...and I'll keep an eye out for you....

      thanks

      Brik
      Hello There,

      Finally someone that got the point. I couldn't explain my goal better than you did....really thanks...
      It's a shame that my offer seems to be not so interesting like I thought...and I have some missing points as well...To receive all that comments is helping me a lot...
      Anyway....let's move on....


      Take care,

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  • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
    Luiz,

    I have on option u might like,............start your own network!!!......I'm serious, its not that hard for anyone who has a good business sense

    Oh and thank you for your kind words from the post before.

    Good Luck
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    • Profile picture of the author crecemedia
      Originally Posted by FrankBowman View Post

      Luiz,

      I have on option u might like,............start your own network!!!......I'm serious, its not that hard for anyone who has a good business sense

      Oh and thank you for your kind words from the post before.

      Good Luck
      Its great until an affiliate brings you 10,000 leads in one day and suddenly the advertisers says they are not quality leads, then you own your affiliate $100,000 and you have a loss of $100,000.

      Networks are not for everyone and you need serious bankroll to get it right. Most advertisers offer a net 30 day payment to networks, and the average network offers a net 15 day payment to its affiliates. When you have a couple of affiliates sending you millions of hits a day and banking on them, you HAVE to pay them. If you don't have the money to do it you are f$$$d.

      You wont believe the amount of networks out there that have affiliates suing for missed payments and plain ripoffs.

      If you say you are going to pay an affiliate 2 bucks per lead you better pay them 2 bucks per lead even if they bring you half a million leads and the advertiser does not pay or take long to do so.

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  • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
    Hello There,

    For those interested about some feedback...including the fellows that helped me out with serious tips, comments and ideas, and "mostly" to the ones (or the only one) that posted an ironic reply (I thought we were here to help each other...not to make jokes....I think that some guys here should be at another forum...something like a "jokes" one)...anyway....back to the feedback....I closed a deal with a savvy CPA expert and I'm making a interesting 325% average ROI...far from the 1000%...or from the 100.000% ironic post....but very profitable and stable. I'm paying 25% of the profits to the guy...and yes..of course I'm getting paid like clockwork.

    Once again, thanks for all that helped me out...with serious comments or ironic jokes....feedbacks are always welcome. We can learn a lot from other people's behavior... :-)


    Take care guys,

    Luiz
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

      Hey Luiz,

      Glad you are experiencing profits!

      I got started with no budget and using only free methods and did pretty darn good.

      They say if you shoot for the moon and miss you will still be among the stars so your strategy was on the money.
      Hi dude,

      Yep...you bet...Maybe I targeted a star but reached the moon....LOL...anyway...I reached something great....way better than other general options or to leave it in the bank...:-)
      The guy that is working with me is doing a great job...keeping 25% for him and, I suppose, doing the same with his money.

      For someone that did not have the money to start it was a great deal. I see people here telling something like: Why would someone do all the work and split the revenue with you? Wake up fellows...in the real brick and mortar world we do a lot of the work and get a paycheck...leaving all profits to the company...don't we? So...in the end...everybody is happy...I'm happy as an investor, and the skilled guy is happy making 25% over an investment amount he did not have.

      I don't think I'm doing nothing wrong...unless make money is something wrong...and I have a feeling that it isn't....:-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Yes I remember this thread.

    The thing about propositions is that that unless the proposition is sooo one-sided, there is normally a mutually beneficial partnership than can develop, its just finding the right person that is tough.

    For example, somebody just pmed me about putting up flyers here in the US and they will give me x% commission. Now for me that is a horrible proposition. Putting up flyers is not anything I would consider for my business at the stage its at now and if I did want to do it, I would put up the flyers myself and make 100%.

    But that doesn't mean its a bad proposition. For somebody out there who doesn't even have the little money needed to buy a domain and hosting and set up a CPA offer, this may be the perfect opportunity for him/her. So it wasn't anything I would consider but would be great for somebody out there.


    So I think people (perhaps me) were a bit too harsh about your proposition but that doesn't mean it was a bad one. And as you now see, there was somebody that fit your opportunity very well.


    Congrats and glad you are seeing the potential in CPA...its great aint it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliit
    those are insane ROI's
    50-100% is decent
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  • Profile picture of the author ukbuddy2
    anyone readig this would think you can turn this around in a few months!!
    why would i do all the work and give you over 50%

    any newbs dont be misled by talk of grandiose
    get yourseldf into a focussed forum and a decent coach
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Honestbiz,

    What is interesting is that most people I know that are doing well did exactly this...they started doing free and bum methods and then hustled their way up the ladder to fortune. I remember spending hours delivering flyers from door to door and car to car just to make some money I could use to buy domain names and hosting and WSOs and products. Starting from rags and scraps helps give you the motivation and dedication to put in the work necessary to make it in CPA.

    Sometimes people with a lot of money to start just want to buy their way into CPA fortune which may work, but many times will not.
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

      Hey I would go where the money is every time.

      We all know this beautiful Internet can reward us and it can burn us so I am glad yours is a happy ending. (or I should say journey)













      I swear I love entrepreneurs!

      Offering a service and getting paid for it..what a concept.














      Indeed my friend....scrapping has a way of getting us laser focused on our goals..cus we have no choice.
      Brilliant post....Thanks a lot dude! You said it all...better impossible!
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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    I am seriously doubting alot of your legitimacy (most people in this thread!)

    As a marketer, we typically work on 50-100% margins with our campaigns. Yes, 1,000% is possible, but its completely unrealistic. If you actually do this business you would know that.
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    • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
      Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

      I am seriously doubting alot of your legitimacy (most people in this thread!)

      As a marketer, we typically work on 50-100% margins with our campaigns. Yes, 1,000% is possible, but its completely unrealistic. If you actually do this business you would know that.
      It's viable using the CPV method. Luiz contacted me privately and I was really making around more than 6000% ROI back in January 2010. I spent $2 on CPV/PPV and I made around $130. But that's just ROI...

      I turned Luiz down because I was so new to CPV/PPV -> CPA... And I knew the fact that those kind of high ROI won't really exist each and everyday...

      Another problem was, the CPA offer was not active anymore after a few weeks' time. So, in another words, you can't really make those kind of high ROI EACH and EVERYDAY. This is where people miss the real point.

      People like Kenster can probably make higher ROI here. Why? Because he is using the FREE method, which technically speaking, he wasn't really spending money on producing traffic (of course, I know he had spend time doing research, writing articles, etc)... So really, ROI is not as accurate in the CPV/PPV realm, IMHO... People are not hyping things up but it's really achievable, if you have been in the CPV game before, you'll get what I meant.

      Next big thing to this, will be the media buys. That's where you can see some high ROI too. But again, it's just ROI....

      I hope that this is going to clear up some people's mind in here.

      For those who think that 1000% ROI is an insane stuff using the CPV/PPV methods, I will just say that it's achievable via CPV/PPV.

      For those who think that they can get rich overnight using CPV/PPV with that kind of high ROI, you're going to go bankrupt sooner than you can profit from the CPA industry, if you're still having that kinda mindset.

      Just like any other business out there, this is a solid way to drive traffic to your offer/landing page. But there are a lot of hard work involved behind the scene. So beware....

      I would say study as much as you could, before getting into the CPV/PPV game.
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      • Profile picture of the author indexphp
        Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

        It's viable using the CPV method. Luiz contacted me privately and I was really making around more than 6000% ROI back in January 2010. I spent $2 on CPV/PPV and I made around $130. But that's just ROI...

        I turned Luiz down because I was so new to CPV/PPV -> CPA... And I knew the fact that those kind of high ROI won't really exist each and everyday...

        Another problem was, the CPA offer was not active anymore after a few weeks' time. So, in another words, you can't really make those kind of high ROI EACH and EVERYDAY. This is where people miss the real point.

        People like Kenster can probably make higher ROI here. Why? Because he is using the FREE method, which technically speaking, he wasn't really spending money on producing traffic (of course, I know he had spend time doing research, writing articles, etc)... So really, ROI is not as accurate in the CPV/PPV realm, IMHO... People are not hyping things up but it's really achievable, if you have been in the CPV game before, you'll get what I meant.

        Next big thing to this, will be the media buys. That's where you can see some high ROI too. But again, it's just ROI....

        I hope that this is going to clear up some people's mind in here.

        For those who think that 1000% ROI is an insane stuff using the CPV/PPV methods, I will just say that it's achievable via CPV/PPV.

        For those who think that they can get rich overnight using CPV/PPV with that kind of high ROI, you're going to go bankrupt sooner than you can profit from the CPA industry, if you're still having that kinda mindset.

        Just like any other business out there, this is a solid way to drive traffic to your offer/landing page. But there are a lot of hard work involved behind the scene. So beware....

        I would say study as much as you could, before getting into the CPV/PPV game.
        So you spent $2 to make $130. Do you do that everyday? I rest my case.
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        • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
          Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

          So you spent $2 to make $130. Do you do that everyday? I rest my case.
          If you did take your time to READ all of my post up there, you will read that I have already adhere the answer to your question, even before you were asking about it.

          Read my post again and you'll get that I DID stat out that I CAN'T do that EACH and EVERYDAY, that was why I turned his offer down..
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          • Profile picture of the author indexphp
            Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

            Read my post again and you'll get that I DID stat out that I CAN'T do that EACH and EVERYDAY, that was why I turned his offer down..
            I understand. Ive read your post.

            My point is that he's completely unrealistic in asking for a 1,000% ROI campaign. Those types of things don't last very long usually. In your case, a day or two.

            He's asking to invest $15k and get a 1000% ROI on that. It doesnt work like that.
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            • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
              Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

              I understand. Ive read your post.

              My point is that he's completely unrealistic in asking for a 1,000% ROI campaign. Those types of things don't last very long usually. In your case, a day or two.

              He's asking to invest $15k and get a 1000% ROI on that. It doesnt work like that.

              Ok...here I go:

              1000% ROI is a dream...I posted it several "pages" ago as I thought it was possible...but it is not...not ina stable way. Nothing is stable...your "skate" is unstable...LIFE is unstable...what makes it great...agree? :-) I had my 1000% days of ROI...(just one to be honest) and had also my 50% days....What is the case here is the average...the Montly average. I'm getting a Montly average of 325%...For those who don't believe...that's OK...it changes nothing for me....I still make the same average no matter who believes or not...
              So...to clarify...I agree that 1000% is a dream...I disagree that 325% is impossible...just because I do....


              keep skating man...you seems to be really great by the picture..:-)
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              • Profile picture of the author indexphp
                Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

                Ok...here I go:

                1000% ROI is a dream...I posted it several "pages" ago as I thought it was possible...but it is not...not ina stable way. Nothing is stable...your "skate" is unstable...LIFE is unstable...what makes it great...agree? :-) I had my 1000% days of ROI...(just one to be honest) and had also my 50% days....What is the case here is the average...the Montly average. I'm getting a Montly average of 325%...For those who don't believe...that's OK...it changes nothing for me....I still make the same average no matter who believes or not...
                So...to clarify...I agree that 1000% is a dream...I disagree that 325% is impossible...just because I do....


                keep skating man...you seems to be really great by the picture..:-)
                I think you started this thread because you thought to yourself "Hey, I want to turn $15,000 dollars into $150,000"

                You can of course do that, but its more realistic to do it 100% ROI at a time. Start with $15k, then double it to $30k. $30k, double that to $60k. And so on

                On 1 campaign turning $15k into $150k is like throwing up a hail mary. Sure it happens sometimes, but usually not on that type of scale. If I could throw $15k and make 10x my adspend, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But it usually doesn't work out that way.
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                • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
                  Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

                  I think you started this thread because you thought to yourself "Hey, I want to turn $15,000 dollars into $150,000"

                  You can of course do that, but its more realistic to do it 100% ROI at a time. Start with $15k, then double it to $30k. $30k, double that to $60k. And so on

                  On 1 campaign turning $15k into $150k is like throwing up a hail mary. Sure it happens sometimes, but usually not on that type of scale. If I could throw $15k and make 10x my adspend, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But it usually doesn't work out that way.

                  AGREE!!!!

                  Cheers,

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        • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
          Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

          So you spent $2 to make $130. Do you do that everyday? I rest my case.
          Yes...He does! No hard feelings buddy...but better review your strategies...
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      • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
        Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

        It's viable using the CPV method. Luiz contacted me privately and I was really making around more than 6000% ROI back in January 2010. I spent $2 on CPV/PPV and I made around $130. But that's just ROI...

        I turned Luiz down because I was so new to CPV/PPV -> CPA... And I knew the fact that those kind of high ROI won't really exist each and everyday...

        Another problem was, the CPA offer was not active anymore after a few weeks' time. So, in another words, you can't really make those kind of high ROI EACH and EVERYDAY. This is where people miss the real point.

        People like Kenster can probably make higher ROI here. Why? Because he is using the FREE method, which technically speaking, he wasn't really spending money on producing traffic (of course, I know he had spend time doing research, writing articles, etc)... So really, ROI is not as accurate in the CPV/PPV realm, IMHO... People are not hyping things up but it's really achievable, if you have been in the CPV game before, you'll get what I meant.

        Next big thing to this, will be the media buys. That's where you can see some high ROI too. But again, it's just ROI....

        I hope that this is going to clear up some people's mind in here.

        For those who think that 1000% ROI is an insane stuff using the CPV/PPV methods, I will just say that it's achievable via CPV/PPV.

        For those who think that they can get rich overnight using CPV/PPV with that kind of high ROI, you're going to go bankrupt sooner than you can profit from the CPA industry, if you're still having that kinda mindset.

        Just like any other business out there, this is a solid way to drive traffic to your offer/landing page. But there are a lot of hard work involved behind the scene. So beware....

        I would say study as much as you could, before getting into the CPV/PPV game.
        Dear "MASTER" Chong,

        You could not be more CLEAR and straight to the point....:-) Thanks for the extra explanations...and for those who doesn't believe in a ROI higher than 50%....my advice is that you review your strategies....you can really make way more....

        About Kenster: Man...you are my Hero...no kidding...you have the focus and the energy to go for your goals....Go ahead kid (I'm 51YO..so I can call you "kid")...and may the Force be with you...:-)
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          Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

          Dear "MASTER" Chong,

          You could not be more CLEAR and straight to the point....:-) Thanks for the extra explanations...and for those who doesn't believe in a ROI higher than 50%....my advice is that you review your strategies....you can really make way more....

          About Kenster: Man...you are my Hero...no kidding...you have the focus and the energy to go for your goals....Go ahead kid (I'm 51YO..so I can call you "kid")...and may the Force be with you...:-)

          Haha, darn man you old!!! Just playing!

          Dude, that is the one thing that gets you ahead in this industry. Forget SEO, forget fancy technical crap, forget having a ton of money to start with....what really gets you ahead in IM is energy, dedication to reach your goals, and a strong shot of creativity. Unlike an offline business, where if you start a business you pretty much know what you are getting into, in internet marketing or CPA, most people go in knowing very little. This means there will be tons of obstacles and unknowns and hurdles. The only way to get past these is to be persistent and never give up.

          The online world is much more dynamic and changing. You need to resilient, thats why people never get anywhere when they just try and follow what others are doing. I say, learn the foundation and basics and then pave your own road to fortune!

          And I will always be a kid at heart, even at your age!! I hope you are too!
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            Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

            The only way to get past these is to be persistent and never give up.
            I've been learning all about IM for 4 years now. Only started to see money coming in towards the end of last year.

            The quoted phrase written by Kenster, that's the only reason why I am still doing this today. Had I gave up after trying out IM for a few times, I won't be here sharing words with anyone of you in here

            Awesome, Kenster
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          • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
            Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

            Haha, darn man you old!!! Just playing!

            Dude, that is the one thing that gets you ahead in this industry. Forget SEO, forget fancy technical crap, forget having a ton of money to start with....what really gets you ahead in IM is energy, dedication to reach your goals, and a strong shot of creativity. Unlike an offline business, where if you start a business you pretty much know what you are getting into, in internet marketing or CPA, most people go in knowing very little. This means there will be tons of obstacles and unknowns and hurdles. The only way to get past these is to be persistent and never give up.

            The online world is much more dynamic and changing. You need to resilient, thats why people never get anywhere when they just try and follow what others are doing. I say, learn the foundation and basics and then pave your own road to fortune!

            And I will always be a kid at heart, even at your age!! I hope you are too!
            LOL....Uncle Lu here....:-)
            You bet I'm a kid man...and will always be...

            Thanks for the words of wisdow....so young and so wise...:-) joking...as always....
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  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
    Yeap, I understand what you meant too. That's why I said I turned him down, because realistically, I think that it's so hard to be done in that fashion.

    For the record, I've actually strike that kind of ROI for around 2 weeks straight.

    I spend no more than $5 per day to make at least $50, for 2 weeks straight.

    But again, realistically, when we are thinking about the traffic available throughout a CPV/PPV network, one won't be able to get this kind of margin all day long.

    Also, the offer was being taken off after that. I totally understand and see your point there, my friend.

    Well this thread is actually a very good thread for those who think that they can strike the gold pot overnight and making thousands of dollars overnight using CPV/PPV. This just don't apply if one is fairly new to the CPV/PPV -> CPA method.

    But what Luiz meant initially, could be a bit different than what he is doing now. He is already constantly making 300+% in cpv now, regardless of whatever amount that he has invested with the CPV pro that he is partnering with. Far more less than the 1000% ROI that he intended to get, but still, it's quite a nice ROI at 300+%, IMHO.....

    Indexphp, sorry man, If I was anyway harsh in the reply up there, but I just hope that people get to see a clear picture of what's happening in the CPV/PPV realm
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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamL
    That's an interesting thread I really enjoyed the conversation. Just one little question between: If everyone talks about Media Buys and CPV, what kind of Network do you guys use and where you have trust?
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      Originally Posted by WilliamL View Post

      That's an interesting thread I really enjoyed the conversation. Just one little question between: If everyone talks about Media Buys and CPV, what kind of Network do you guys use and where you have trust?
      There are many network such as buysellads for media buys and media traffic for ppv.
      buysellads does not require any deposit,
      media traffic requires $200 deposit,
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by WilliamL View Post

      That's an interesting thread I really enjoyed the conversation. Just one little question between: If everyone talks about Media Buys and CPV, what kind of Network do you guys use and where you have trust?
      Hi,

      straight to the point:

      TrafficVance
      MediaTraffic

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I can't believe anyone would not understand how some who have skills but no cap to invest would gain. Experience and pofit from the opp being offered by the op here. If nothing else he should commended for offering such An opp to fellow warriors. I'd
    f seo experts are so good then why so they offer services to others? Why don't article writers just write for themselves. Why do people provide outsourcing Services At all? I find it rediculous that this has been questioned. Outsourcing is beneficial to all.
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      Originally Posted by kadensnga View Post

      I can't believe anyone would not understand how some who have skills but no cap to invest would gain. Experience and pofit from the opp being offered by the op here. If nothing else he should commended for offering such An opp to fellow warriors. I'd
      f seo experts are so good then why so they offer services to others? Why don't article writers just write for themselves. Why do people provide outsourcing Services At all? I find it rediculous that this has been questioned. Outsourcing is beneficial to all.
      You are AMAZING!!!!!
      perfect post...clear and obvious...I can't believe as well my dear Warrior....
      I wish you all the best...and if I can help you out somehow please contact me...anytime...:-)
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    Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

    Dear "MASTER" Chong,

    You could not be more CLEAR and straight to the point....:-) Thanks for the extra explanations...

    LOL ! "Master" sounds intimidate to me

    Well thanks for the words Luiz.

    Luiz, allow me to PM you with some great people's name who are making huge money using the CPV/PPV method.

    The point of sending you those names, are not totally because of you can hire them or outsource your CPV/PPV works to them.

    You know, since you're not really like a marketer to me (you're more like an opportunity seeker/entrepreneur to me), I think it's good that you get to know those people who is making huge bucks using the CPV/PPV method. You can try to contact each and every of them, they might not reply to you, but hey, you lose nothing trying to contact them, right?

    What if few of them is replying to you, and maybe 1 of them ended up partnering with you, and ended up having a business deal which you won't even have the chance or opportunity to get into, should you never contacted them, right?

    Save your money, man. I don't need $1k or $500 or $100, NOT EVEN $7 for the list of names of good CPV/PPVers that I know.

    Just allow me to PM you and that's it
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

      LOL ! "Master" sounds intimidate to me

      Well thanks for the words Luiz.

      Luiz, allow me to PM you with some great people's name who are making huge money using the CPV/PPV method.

      The point of sending you those names, are not totally because of you can hire them or outsource your CPV/PPV works to them.

      You know, since you're not really like a marketer to me (you're more like an opportunity seeker/entrepreneur to me), I think it's good that you get to know those people who is making huge bucks using the CPV/PPV method. You can try to contact each and every of them, they might not reply to you, but hey, you lose nothing trying to contact them, right?

      What if few of them is replying to you, and maybe 1 of them ended up partnering with you, and ended up having a business deal which you won't even have the chance or opportunity to get into, should you never contacted them, right?

      Save your money, man. I don't need $1k or $500 or $100, NOT EVEN $7 for the list of names of good CPV/PPVers that I know.

      Just allow me to PM you and that's it
      You just reached the next level...so...

      Dear "GRAND MASTER" Chong....:-)
      You can PM me anytime...it's always a pleasure to hear from you...
      Just a point...let me at least buy you a beer...OK? (Sorry Delavera..but everybody likes beers)...LOL
      Just a correction...I DO work with PPC and PPV to my 56 websites since 1998.... (by the way...with a steady 387% ROI)...what I was looking for was someone skilled about CPA...
      I already found that person...but why not to meet other fellows? I'll be waiting your PM....

      Take care "GRAND MASTER"
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      • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
        Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

        You just reached the next level...so...

        Dear "GRAND MASTER" Chong....:-)
        You can PM me anytime...it's always a pleasure to hear from you...
        Just a point...let me at least buy you a beer...OK? (Sorry Delavera..but everybody likes beers)...LOL
        Just a correction...I DO work with PPC and PPV to my 56 websites since 1998.... (by the way...with a steady 387% ROI)...what I was looking for was someone skilled about CPA...
        I already found that person...but why not to meet other fellows? I'll be waiting your PM....

        Take care "GRAND MASTER"
        Hey Uncle Lu

        Gosh, I feel much more intimidated now! LOL

        Yea, if you can find any beer named "FRIENDSHIP", then feel free to buy me that, man

        I am going to create a list of human that I know, and I will list down what they are good at, and how did I get to know about them, so you can contact them in a good manner, not just like someone who is trying to spam them out.

        Hope this helps…
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        • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
          Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

          Hey Uncle Lu

          Gosh, I feel much more intimidated now! LOL

          Yea, if you can find any beer named "FRIENDSHIP", then feel free to buy me that, man

          I am going to create a list of human that I know, and I will list down what they are good at, and how did I get to know about them, so you can contact them in a good manner, not just like someone who is trying to spam them out.

          Hope this helps…
          TO EVERYONE HERE!

          This guy...Aiden Chong....is one of a kind...someone I thought impossible to find nowadays. He sent me a list with his valuated personal contacts and not only that....told me step by step how to approach each of the guys in the list. In exchange of what? Nothing...ZERO...nada....

          GRAND MASTER Chong....I already replied you by e-mail....but I just would like to say everyone here what a real friendship is about...what is the real value of a Forum...to find like minded people that can help each other...not always with financial rewards....There's much more than money in it....

          Thanks a lot for all your attention and, most important, for your FREEindship...:-)


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          • Profile picture of the author The_Archer
            That's a big chunk of change to just trust anyone with, this is a big gamble. You'd be better off going to a casino an betting on black and hope you win.

            Why not just pay to learn how to do it yourself instead? I know a good program where you can learn it, but it will cost you $250 per month, but the value is MORE than there.
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          • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
            Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

            TO EVERYONE HERE!

            This guy...Aiden Chong....is one of a kind...someone I thought impossible to find nowadays. He sent me a list with his valuated personal contacts and not only that....told me step by step how to approach each of the guys in the list. In exchange of what? Nothing...ZERO...nada....

            GRAND MASTER Chong....I already replied you by e-mail....but I just would like to say everyone here what a real friendship is about...what is the real value of a Forum...to find like minded people that can help each other...not always with financial rewards....There's much more than money in it....

            Thanks a lot for all your attention and, most important, for your FREEindship...:-)


            Luiz
            Gosh, it's like so stress when I see this... LOL !

            I did not know that you'd post this out here. I am most afraid of my PM being bombard by millions of people asking for help (after seeing this ), where in some cases, I couldn't help all of them because of the limited amount of time I've had.

            Nevertheless, thanks for the kind words, Uncle Lu!

            Please make sure you read 1000000 times before sending those people a request email for anything. Make sure it doesn't sound like a spam email LOL

            LOL! the domain name for FREEindship is available for grab! Go grab it, I like the idea of FREEindship
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            • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
              Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

              Gosh, it's like so stress when I see this... LOL !

              I did not know that you'd post this out here. I am most afraid of my PM being bombard by millions of people asking for help (after seeing this ), where in some cases, I couldn't help all of them because of the limited amount of time I've had.

              Nevertheless, thanks for the kind words, Uncle Lu!

              Please make sure you read 1000000 times before sending those people a request email for anything. Make sure it doesn't sound like a spam email LOL

              LOL! the domain name for FREEindship is available for grab! Go grab it, I like the idea of FREEindship
              You serious? freeiendship.com is available...My Gosh...I don't think so....It belongs to YOU now....LOL....No idea about what to do with this....Please create something useful....your turn...:-)
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              • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
                Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

                You serious? freeiendship.com is available...My Gosh...I don't think so....It belongs to YOU now....LOL....No idea about what to do with this....Please create something useful....your turn...:-)
                haha.. No idea on what to do with that too... Free adult dating site maybe ? ...

                All the best man
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                • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
                  Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

                  haha.. No idea on what to do with that too... Free adult dating site maybe ? ...

                  All the best man
                  It's your problem now "Master" Chong...I registered the domain....now it's your turn to have an idea to use it...LOL...let's start a competition? The best idea gets the funds to run it....:-) Why not?

                  Man...seriously...I openned a thread about CasHub and I already got someone telling me that it will never work as I'll not have advertisers....can you believe? LOL...of course I already have the advertisers...hundreds of very well known and serious companies that pays me in advance...I'm not that stupid...:-) The point is how people is always ready to say that your idea is not OK....it's not going to work....it seems that we have a lot of fellows losing the game even before it starts....Where is our dear friend Ken to teach some to those guys?


                  Take care....
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                  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
                    Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

                    It's your problem now "Master" Chong...I registered the domain....now it's your turn to have an idea to use it...LOL...let's start a competition? The best idea gets the funds to run it....:-) Why not?

                    Man...seriously...I openned a thread about CasHub and I already got someone telling me that it will never work as I'll not have advertisers....can you believe? LOL...of course I already have the advertisers...hundreds of very well known and serious companies that pays me in advance...I'm not that stupid...:-) The point is how people is always ready to say that your idea is not OK....it's not going to work....it seems that we have a lot of fellows losing the game even before it starts....Where is our dear friend Ken to teach some to those guys?


                    Take care....
                    HAha.. I have really no idea on what should be done on that domain

                    Bout the naysayers ... Probably that human is the owner of .. ermm.. other ppc network ? LOL ! Just to scare you out ? haha..

                    I guess it's because they are not those kinda entrepreneur type of people.. Oh well, less competition, that's a good thing for you If everyone is having a superb mindset like you, everyone and their sugar glider would be a millionaire now -- Well at least I see it that way ..
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                    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
                      Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

                      HAha.. I have really no idea on what should be done on that domain

                      Bout the naysayers ... Probably that human is the owner of .. ermm.. other ppc network ? LOL ! Just to scare you out ? haha..

                      I guess it's because they are not those kinda entrepreneur type of people.. Oh well, less competition, that's a good thing for you If everyone is having a superb mindset like you, everyone and their sugar glider would be a millionaire now -- Well at least I see it that way ..
                      Just e-mailed you MASTER....talk later..:-)
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                  • Profile picture of the author jh3000
                    Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

                    It's your problem now "Master" Chong...I registered the domain....now it's your turn to have an idea to use it...LOL...let's start a competition? The best idea gets the funds to run it....:-) Why not?

                    Man...seriously...I openned a thread about CasHub and I already got someone telling me that it will never work as I'll not have advertisers....can you believe? LOL...of course I already have the advertisers...hundreds of very well known and serious companies that pays me in advance...I'm not that stupid...:-) The point is how people is always ready to say that your idea is not OK....it's not going to work....it seems that we have a lot of fellows losing the game even before it starts....Where is our dear friend Ken to teach some to those guys?


                    Take care....
                    Yes that seems to be one of the big issues on a forum. Unsuccessful people fail to grasp or accept that people can be highly successful with the right effort and skills. What confuses me is why these people are here however, as they have already convinced themselves they can't be successful doing things described here.

                    Dear "GRAND MASTER" Chong....:-)
                    You can PM me anytime...it's always a pleasure to hear from you...
                    Just a point...let me at least buy you a beer...OK? (Sorry Delavera..but everybody likes beers)...LOL
                    Just a correction...I DO work with PPC and PPV to my 56 websites since 1998.... (by the way...with a steady 387% ROI)...what I was looking for was someone skilled about CPA...
                    I already found that person...but why not to meet other fellows? I'll be waiting your PM....
                    So I take it you did finally find a person to talk up your offer?

                    I have to admit that when I first saw your offer I thought you were crazy too, although I understand your logic, based on describing how you got your start.

                    After thinking about it, what you are looking for is basically an experienced "project manager" to run these campaigns via CPV for you. There are in fact lots of people out there doing that sort of thing, which puts a different slant on it. Maybe it should have been approached from that angle and would have gotten a better response. They still would want 50% though.

                    Next time, I would approach it like that.

                    The obvious issue here is that the people with the skills you need are less likely to need the cash simply because if they can achieve the required results, they have experience in doing so, meaning they likely have the money to fund themselves unless they do so through partners. That is why you got so many of the comments you did. There are, however, some risk adverse people that prefer to be "project managers" though, or funded though partners rather than use their own cash.

                    I am glad to hear that you found something that is working out.

                    Good luck!

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                    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
                      Originally Posted by jh3000 View Post

                      Yes that seems to be one of the big issues on a forum. Unsuccessful people fail to grasp or accept that people can be highly successful with the right effort and skills. What confuses me is why these people are here however, as they have already convinced themselves they can't be successful doing things described here.


                      So I take it you did finally find a person to talk up your offer?

                      I have to admit that when I first saw your offer I thought you were crazy too, although I understand your logic, based on describing how you got your start.

                      After thinking about it, what you are looking for is basically an experienced "project manager" to run these campaigns via CPV for you. There are in fact lots of people out there doing that sort of thing, which puts a different slant on it. Maybe it should have been approached from that angle and would have gotten a better response. They still would want 50% though.

                      Next time, I would approach it like that.

                      The obvious issue here is that the people with the skills you need are less likely to need the cash simply because if they can achieve the required results, they have experience in doing so, meaning they likely have the money to fund themselves unless they do so through partners. That is why you got so many of the comments you did. There are, however, some risk adverse people that prefer to be "project managers" though, or funded though partners rather than use their own cash.

                      I am glad to hear that you found something that is working out.

                      Good luck!

                      -Jeffrey
                      Hey Jeffrey,

                      I just sent you a "thanks" man...
                      I wish we could have more fellow warriors like you here.
                      And I agree with you...the approach should be different to clearly show my point.
                      Anyway...there are people that don't want to invest their own money...and even more that don't have the money, neither how to get it...believe me...You'd be impressed with the amount of PMs I got.

                      Thanks a lot for posting my friend. I wish you all the best in your ventures and personal life.


                      Take care,


                      Tony Rocha


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  • Profile picture of the author revenue27
    Have you tried the freelance site? You can post your jobs offer there, make a good proposal job that gets intention to those CPV experts there, or you can invite someone with high rating at the freelance site.

    You can try elance, rent a coder or freelancer.com , there are plenty of freelance sites out there, try one and good luck with your project.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    I sense some manlove going on in here!

    WF is great huh, so many people helping each other out, great partnerships are being made, pretty neat stuff here!

    Ken
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      I sense some manlove going on in here!

      WF is great huh, so many people helping each other out, great partnerships are being made, pretty neat stuff here!

      Ken
      I did not know that you were a poet Ken...LOL
      Serious now..I wish i could invest some on your ideas....in case yo want...PM me...

      take care "KID" :-)
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        Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

        I did not know that you were a poet Ken...LOL
        Serious now..I wish i could invest some on your ideas....in case yo want...PM me...

        take care "KID" :-)


        Poet, I'll take it....i'm usually called much worse


        I invest in my own ideas! No offense but unless I am building something incredibly massive I would much prefer dealing with my own money. Ive heard horror stories about having investors.

        of course not saying anything about you in particular. sometimes having investors really clamps down on ones entrepreneurial and creative ideas. many times investors aren't familiar with internet marketing enough to be good partners. The best ideas in CPA marketing involve running with crazy ideas...investors arent normally comfortable with that :p
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          Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

          Poet, I'll take it....i'm usually called much worse


          I invest in my own ideas! No offense but unless I am building something incredibly massive I would much prefer dealing with my own money. Ive heard horror stories about having investors.

          of course not saying anything about you in particular. sometimes having investors really clamps down on ones entrepreneurial and creative ideas. many times investors aren't familiar with internet marketing enough to be good partners. The best ideas in CPA marketing involve running with crazy ideas...investors arent normally comfortable with that :p
          I agree Ken...100%...That's why I invest my money....:-)

          Cheers,


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    HAHA! Kenster you bad ! Isn't that another word for gay ?

    lol...yea, I agree, people like you (Kenster) who go around the forum and help each others getting up and running, that's priceless.. hehe...
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  • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
    Hi guys,


    My signature here was almost becoming a joke...agree? A never ending "coming soon....." LOL
    But it seems that now it's really about to start...anytime...so Beta testers will be very welcome.
    I hope there's no problem about posting it here...otherwise....i'm sorry about that Admin....

    Thanks 2 all,


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    WOW...just checked my inbox and I'm getting several PMs from fellow warriors willing to be beta testers....Really amazing....Thanks a lot...:-)
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    1000% ROI? You want to get into forge currency printed business
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by gubwell12 View Post

      1000% ROI? You want to get into forge currency printed business
      wake up dude...this thread has 3 pages....no offense but please read it from scratch before shooting posts like that...:-)

      Take care :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
    Dear fellow warriors,


    As promissed yesterday...


    I'm in need of publishers with websites or blogs willing to add my cashub code on their pages. It's a contextual piece of code that will "read" the content and publish ads in accordance...just like Adsense does...This is not CPA at all...the visitor clicks and the publisher get paid. The differences we have compared with Google Adsense are:


    - We don't have (by now) our own advertisers...we have hundreds if not thousands of advertisers from huge networks we have deals with....in a way that we'll have offers to all kind of content.

    - The bids (payout) will be high as we'll pass the larger % to the publishers instead of keeping the biggest share for us...as Adsense does.

    - Google is a giant and we are a very small network. we'll certainly have lower bids but we'll give a great support, will not have none of that crazy rules and slaps. We'll pay way faster (every two weeks), allow wesbites made to be monetized by the ads, you don't need to work for months to get a good rank and grab the most profitable ads...all you need is good content...even if not unique.

    - A lot more that I'd take all day to explain here...bellow there's a signup page exclusive to the fellow warriors...a very simple one...allowing us to have a list to shoot an e-mail as soon as the system is ready....sending all necessary instructions...


    http://cashub.com/subscribe/form.php


    That's it guys...



    Cheers....:-)
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  • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
    Just a gift to all:

    http://tonyrocha.me/download/gift.php

    No tricks...no e-mail form, no OTO (OTO for me sounds like a dog's name...no offense please if your name is OTO....).... just a "thank you" gift...

    Cheers,

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      Originally Posted by JavierElenes View Post

      I just had to register just to post my opinion!

      I read from page 1 all the way to here and of course, of course it could be profitable or beneficial for a real skilled marketer, just too many negativity around as well as excellent and honest comments from amazing guys, I wish I spend more time at this forum, I just read, read and read, and never interact but this time I felt like I must share my opinion because it relates in an incredible way

      My case is the example, I got to work with a partner (actually he was more like my boss) I was running CPV campaigns to CPA offers, multiple offers, a lot of split testing, hundreds of Landing Pages and an average of 14 hours a day to get it to a profitable level.

      Long story short, we made it, we got ( I must say, I got because my "partner" did nothing but invest 3k to start) multiple profitable offers from 80% - 600%) our average was 285%, just to start, because we were building huge lists in several niches that will be making huge money in the future)

      The thing is... I started to share a lot of information with his son to release some stress and workload and... YES he put me aside and we never signed the contract up, he was like a brother to me but I was incredibly naive to keep going with a serious business like a "friends thing" I ended up with nothing, and when I say nothing I really mean it, NOTHING, I was getting some kind of salary in the mean time because we were reinvesting the earnings to scale up

      He kept the lists, domains, files, EVERYTHING (huge lists of thousands in different niches) the campaigns (I don't know if his son succeed to keep the profitability of the campaigns) but, I've lost 8 months of my life, because everything, the PPV, CPA networks and PAYPAL account were under his name, I got nothing after 8 months of really hard work.

      I know everyone will try to criticize my decisions and my ridiculously disadvantageous agreement (at a legal level) with my “partner” but I have nothing to say, I was just stupid and extremely busy with the testing and improving processes of the business because we were working with very limited funds

      At least, my skills are mine, and nobody can take them away from me, I'm starting all over again, with free methods because I don't have the money to advertise, where we get to the point where YES it is possible a situation of a marketer that got the skills but with no money to invest, to all of you Mrs that don't believe that a skilled CPA marketer with no money does exist, yes he does!!

      I wish I got to this thread earlier!!!

      Javier Elenes
      Hi Javier,

      It must be a pain in the .... HEART?! (I know what you all are thinking, you're trying to replace the word "HEART" with another word, right? )

      Which makes you read from the starting of the thread till the end, and then post out your opinion in here, and well I have to say nothing but THANK YOU for sharing your experience in here.

      I'm sorry to hear that, but let's put that behind and forget about it, LOOK FORWARD is what you have to do now.

      Javier, it's still not late to get into this thread. Contact me and let's see what we can do with that

      Also, I started out with so darn little budget too... $200 to be exact, and I lost $150 even before I started to see any profit. So I know how it feels. The only difference was, I am STILL A NEWBIE as opposed to you, a CPV/PPV pro The lucky part was, I was able to recovered within 2 weeks of time and make a $1.5k+ of profit. LUCKY.

      I've added you in your Skype.
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          Originally Posted by JavierElenes View Post

          Thanks a lot Sr!!

          I really appreciate it, I was expecting a lot of guys pointing to the fact that.. I was so so stupid, haha

          It really feels way different having a warm comment and support from a completely strange, having the bad experience of a very close and appreciated (at least by me) person and have a betrayal of the proportion I had.

          Anyways, I got your contact info, I'll be around trying to share what I've learned, maybe create a WSO could bring me some cash to advertise (a professional and really good WSO of course )
          I'm doing some wordpress, scripting, coding and other things to collect some cash for ppv. (and pay the bills :confused

          Thank you sooooo much for your kind words!!!
          Stupid WAS if you're still doing this while that human ditched you. But you're awake now, aren't you?

          A lot of great business deal, friendship, contacts was build within this information (good one of course ) . However, I've seen bad ones going on too, I guess that happens wherever you are, you just have to becareful when it comes to business deals. I'll leave that to Luiz to tell you what he had in his business management bible

          If you're no one, you ain't going to make good money using WSO. And it's another kind of beast to use WSO. I can get you some free source and it will make you change your mind on launching WSO. Launching a crappy SEO will bring more harm than good to you, I supposed .. But you're free to try if you want, don't take my words (or any other ones') for it

          Learn to contribute to the forum and let people know who you are first, maybe that's another better way to get yourself to become a better WSO publisher... That's my opinion, which I've read from some very respected Senior WF member.

          Again, let me know if you really need some useful information about (or related) to launching a successful WSO.

          The search function will do what I would have to say too, but it will take you some time to find good ones (I remember you said that you wish that there were 36 hours in a day! )...

          Hope that helps...
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      • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
        Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

        Hi Javier,

        It must be a pain in the .... HEART?! (I know what you all are thinking, you're trying to replace the word "HEART" with another word, right? )

        Which makes you read from the starting of the thread till the end, and then post out your opinion in here, and well I have to say nothing but THANK YOU for sharing your experience in here.

        I'm sorry to hear that, but let's put that behind and forget about it, LOOK FORWARD is what you have to do now.

        Javier, it's still not late to get into this thread. Contact me and let's see what we can do with that

        Also, I started out with so darn little budget too... $200 to be exact, and I lost $150 even before I started to see any profit. So I know how it feels. The only difference was, I am STILL A NEWBIE as opposed to you, a CPV/PPV pro The lucky part was, I was able to recovered within 2 weeks of time and make a $1.5k+ of profit. LUCKY.

        I've added you in your Skype.
        My Dear MASTER Chong,


        You know me well...I did not read your post above....only after I replied to javier...We both know that he is not LATE at all...I'll e-mail you later to tell you some new stuff...
        I also thanked javier and I'm glad you showed him that serious and honest persons DO EXIST!!!!! No matter what...we need to resist and fight against all those scammers...
        Thanks Chong...again....for being such great guy!

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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by JavierElenes View Post

      I just had to register just to post my opinion!

      I read from page 1 all the way to here and of course, of course it could be profitable or beneficial for a real skilled marketer, just too many negativity around as well as excellent and honest comments from amazing guys, I wish I spend more time at this forum, I just read, read and read, and never interact but this time I felt like I must share my opinion because it relates in an incredible way

      My case is the example, I got to work with a partner (actually he was more like my boss) I was running CPV campaigns to CPA offers, multiple offers, a lot of split testing, hundreds of Landing Pages and an average of 14 hours a day to get it to a profitable level.

      Long story short, we made it, we got ( I must say, I got because my "partner" did nothing but invest 3k to start) multiple profitable offers from 80% - 600%) our average was 285%, just to start, because we were building huge lists in several niches that will be making huge money in the future)

      The thing is... I started to share a lot of information with his son to release some stress and workload and... YES he put me aside and we never signed the contract up, he was like a brother to me but I was incredibly naive to keep going with a serious business like a "friends thing" I ended up with nothing, and when I say nothing I really mean it, NOTHING, I was getting some kind of salary in the mean time because we were reinvesting the earnings to scale up

      He kept the lists, domains, files, EVERYTHING (huge lists of thousands in different niches) the campaigns (I don't know if his son succeed to keep the profitability of the campaigns) but, I've lost 8 months of my life, because everything, the PPV, CPA networks and PAYPAL account were under his name, I got nothing after 8 months of really hard work.

      I know everyone will try to criticize my decisions and my ridiculously disadvantageous agreement (at a legal level) with my “partner” but I have nothing to say, I was just stupid and extremely busy with the testing and improving processes of the business because we were working with very limited funds

      At least, my skills are mine, and nobody can take them away from me, I'm starting all over again, with free methods because I don't have the money to advertise, where we get to the point where YES it is possible a situation of a marketer that got the skills but with no money to invest, to all of you Mrs that don't believe that a skilled CPA marketer with no money does exist, yes he does!!

      I wish I got to this thread earlier!!!

      Javier Elenes
      Dear Javier,

      You did not read this post in a wrong timing....no way....
      I can and I want to do business with you if you are interested.
      I know how you feel..and that's great that you brought it here...because I already did the same as you...exactly the same....I was in your shoes...
      I'll tell the story briefly as I don't want hurt the reputation of the guy. I could do that...but this is not my style. I'm a believer and I'm sure that I'm not the one that will ask him about what he did in his life...I believe that we have a God above us..no matter your religion or the way you name it....
      Anyway...there's a very well known internet marketer...that launched a very well known product that became a best seller in 24 hours, back in 2007. He calls me the "insider" (and the skilled guys here already have enough info to know who I'm talking about) and sold the program, course...whatever..like crazy....We had a deal..and just like you..I never signed nothing...I have all possible proofs with me..the e-mails exchanged, the print screens of my accounts, even the page with the first designs and original name of the product. He changed the name, changed the info (and the product is a crap...as he changed almost all info I gave him in order to make the product more "atractive"...you know...hiding some info...etc). I never received even a dime from this....and I did not take any legal action....I just forgot the case...
      So...I'm telling you that because I know the feeling...I know exactly the feeling...
      So...if you have the skills you posted above...I am interested in have business with you...
      But this time..let's both have a signed agreement...all very clear and transparent...protecting both parts....I'm not telling you that I don't believe you...but we don't know each other...so...it's more than fair that we act that way. This is the way that all business should happen. It's a shame for honest people like us..but this is the only way we have to protect ourselves from scammers....
      Please PM me, e-mail me at tony@tonyrocha.me or send me your phone number that I'll call you....Let's move on my friend...You can recover all you loss...believe me...:-)


      Thanks,

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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by JavierElenes View Post

      I just had to register just to post my opinion!

      I read from page 1 all the way to here and of course, of course it could be profitable or beneficial for a real skilled marketer, just too many negativity around as well as excellent and honest comments from amazing guys, I wish I spend more time at this forum, I just read, read and read, and never interact but this time I felt like I must share my opinion because it relates in an incredible way

      My case is the example, I got to work with a partner (actually he was more like my boss) I was running CPV campaigns to CPA offers, multiple offers, a lot of split testing, hundreds of Landing Pages and an average of 14 hours a day to get it to a profitable level.

      Long story short, we made it, we got ( I must say, I got because my "partner" did nothing but invest 3k to start) multiple profitable offers from 80% - 600%) our average was 285%, just to start, because we were building huge lists in several niches that will be making huge money in the future)

      The thing is... I started to share a lot of information with his son to release some stress and workload and... YES he put me aside and we never signed the contract up, he was like a brother to me but I was incredibly naive to keep going with a serious business like a "friends thing" I ended up with nothing, and when I say nothing I really mean it, NOTHING, I was getting some kind of salary in the mean time because we were reinvesting the earnings to scale up

      He kept the lists, domains, files, EVERYTHING (huge lists of thousands in different niches) the campaigns (I don't know if his son succeed to keep the profitability of the campaigns) but, I've lost 8 months of my life, because everything, the PPV, CPA networks and PAYPAL account were under his name, I got nothing after 8 months of really hard work.

      I know everyone will try to criticize my decisions and my ridiculously disadvantageous agreement (at a legal level) with my “partner” but I have nothing to say, I was just stupid and extremely busy with the testing and improving processes of the business because we were working with very limited funds

      At least, my skills are mine, and nobody can take them away from me, I'm starting all over again, with free methods because I don't have the money to advertise, where we get to the point where YES it is possible a situation of a marketer that got the skills but with no money to invest, to all of you Mrs that don't believe that a skilled CPA marketer with no money does exist, yes he does!!

      I wish I got to this thread earlier!!!

      Javier Elenes
      Just sent you a PM....please reply at your best convenience...Thanks
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          Originally Posted by JavierElenes View Post

          I feel a great honor to have you spending time trying to help me out, you must be a very busy man like everybody here (busy making money) what leads people to avoid distractions.

          You're a great person, I could go on and on and keep saying thank you after thank you, but I appreciate you've shared your own story, it really relates with mine, yes my case its a small version of course but similar case.

          I prefer to think all this wasn't a waste of time, because with the intention or not, my ex-partner has sponsored my training and I was able to fine tune some of my skills, now I can mass create landing pages, split test with a more sophisticated method, tried different PPV networks and I got a more in depth knowledge about CPA networks and how to deal with them, and the most important, I really think I got very very skilled when it comes to conversion, now I can produce way more money than before with the same or even less traffic.

          Conversion is the key, traffic is easy you just buy it, with cash or your time but you buy it, conversion is where you make or break your business

          Luiz, I'll contact you, even if we don't do any business together, it will be such a great honor


          Javier
          Wow, that's good to hear about this. From a RANTING post, and you've just reached the next level of letting go of the vent and keep going on

          I got into some NOT SO GOOD kind of GURU program. I don't think it had helped me much. But I did found a personal coach, he's great, and skillful. He charged me a minimal fee of $200, but that's all worth for what he had taught me I've then made my money back within 2 weeks' time

          Maybe you can do something similar. Just an idea.
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      Originally Posted by JavierElenes View Post


      Long story short, we made it, we got ( I must say, I got because my "partner" did nothing but invest 3k to start) multiple profitable offers from 80% - 600%) our average was 285%, just to start, because we were building huge lists in several niches that will be making huge money in the future)

      <---cut--->
      I know everyone will try to criticize my decisions and my ridiculously disadvantageous agreement (at a legal level) with my “partner” but I have nothing to say, I was just stupid and extremely busy with the testing and improving processes of the business because we were working with very limited funds

      Javier Elenes
      Well Javier,

      I don't know that anyone's going to criticize you - you live and learn. I think we've all been there... I still do some spec work / consulting from time to time to gain a clients trust in hopes of a much larger payoff down the line.

      Unfortunately, sometimes you find people who are either looking for some free information / have no money / want a free ride or just looking to take advantage of you.

      The majority of the times I've helped someone through a jam or get started on the right track business-wise they remain a valued client (and often friend) for many years.
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        check your twitter!

        Originally Posted by dlmartin View Post

        Well Javier,

        I don't know that anyone's going to criticize you - you live and learn. I think we've all been there... I still do some spec work / consulting from time to time to gain a clients trust in hopes of a much larger payoff down the line.

        Unfortunately, sometimes you find people who are either looking for some free information / have no money / want a free ride or just looking to take advantage of you.

        The majority of the times I've helped someone through a jam or get started on the right track business-wise they remain a valued client (and often friend) for many years.
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    The good thing is that you do have the skills and knowledge to replicate and surpass your original success. Last time you started with 3k, this time you have experience so that 3k should grow much faster than it did last time.

    With your knowledge, you can use free methods to get you up to that 3k level to start doing PPV or whatever paid traffic you were doing.

    As you probably know, it only takes a couple of good campaigns to bring in a lot of cash, so you dont even need an investor. Its not like this business is going anywhere.

    The important thing is that you learned your lesson and have a ton of knowledge that will undoutedly help you surpass the level you were at. And the best part...now you will get to keep 100% of the profits!
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      The good thing is that you do have the skills and knowledge to replicate and surpass your original success. Last time you started with 3k, this time you have experience so that 3k should grow much faster than it did last time.

      With your knowledge, you can use free methods to get you up to that 3k level to start doing PPV or whatever paid traffic you were doing.

      As you probably know, it only takes a couple of good campaigns to bring in a lot of cash, so you dont even need an investor. Its not like this business is going anywhere.

      The important thing is that you learned your lesson and have a ton of knowledge that will undoutedly help you surpass the level you were at. And the best part...now you will get to keep 100% of the profits!
      Hi Ken,

      Man...so young and so wise...I wish my daughters find a guy like you someday (but don't even think to approach them...LOL)

      Wise words kid...once again you made your "Uncle Lu" very proud...:-)
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    • Profile picture of the author JavierElenes
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      The good thing is that you do have the skills and knowledge to replicate and surpass your original success. Last time you started with 3k, this time you have experience so that 3k should grow much faster than it did last time.

      With your knowledge, you can use free methods to get you up to that 3k level to start doing PPV or whatever paid traffic you were doing.

      As you probably know, it only takes a couple of good campaigns to bring in a lot of cash, so you dont even need an investor. Its not like this business is going anywhere.

      The important thing is that you learned your lesson and have a ton of knowledge that will undoutedly help you surpass the level you were at. And the best part...now you will get to keep 100% of the profits!
      Thanks alot for your words, I do know I have the skills and that's something someone can copy but never take them away from me.

      I'm starting to send a lot of traffic using social media and seo, kind of slow at the begining but it really pays off!!

      You guys are what I call fresh batteries!! because even when I CAN work self motivated and move on and work with out anybody cheering me, it really feels great when you get some positive input

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    • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      The good thing is that you do have the skills and knowledge to replicate and surpass your original success. Last time you started with 3k, this time you have experience so that 3k should grow much faster than it did last time.

      With your knowledge, you can use free methods to get you up to that 3k level to start doing PPV or whatever paid traffic you were doing.

      The important thing is that you learned your lesson and have a ton of knowledge that will undoutedly help you surpass the level you were at. And the best part...now you will get to keep 100% of the profits!
      Thanks, Kenster, you've perfectly pin-pointed out the strength of knowledge one should have.

      On the other hand, Javier, if you are following this thread, you will get to know how Luiz got his first pile of larger cash in those days, you'll know that the proposition which you're in now, is almost the same.

      Both of you are leveraging each others strength to build up your own portfolio Javier, when success hit you sooner or later, you can tell others about the good things like what Luiz had told us in this thread (I mean his successful JV with another one in those days). And our Uncle Lu is able to tell others that he had worked with a brilliant CPV/PPV marketers in the past, and was able to bring in X amount of % of money per month.

      That would be an inspiring workout. Well that is assuming both individuals work out well I'll leave the space for some other people's imagination here.

      I know things can really go wild, when people are giving out comments. Keep this flowing, man.. It's super interesting now!
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      • Profile picture of the author topskyca
        this is a typical "guaranteed success" approach. not to offend you dude but apparently its something everybody wants.

        lets face it: NOBODY can give you 1000% in CPA. here is why:

        1. if someone have a offer doing well, his cash flow can feed its growth, he doesn't need your money to split the profits. (cpa networks can give you weekly wires.)
        2. if someone don't have a well-performing offer, he can certainly use your money to test offers until he can find a winner. but, there is no 1000% ROI.

        anyone who is has been successful in CPA knows a fact that only 10-20% offers will pan out, and most of them will be failures. how can you expect a 1000% ROI?

        the truth is you need to test, test, and test until you can make it work. And, the already working offer may be a goner tomorrow, so you need to work on the next one.

        ever top direct marketers can't guarantee their million dollar project's success, how can someone guarantee your success?

        i think the over hyped internet marketers have painted the picture too beautiful and make people have such unrealistic expectations.

        but good luck, maybe you will find one willing to work on your terms.
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        • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
          Hi there topskyca

          Thanks for your insightful PERSONAL opinion. But if you care to read from the first post out of this thread, up until the last post before you post, you'll get to know that I am one of those who made my 1000% using CPV to promote offers, for around 2 weeks STRAIGHT

          But we all know the point is, WE CANNOT DO THAT EACH AND EVERYDAY.

          And if you care to read more, you'll know that there's at least 1 person who stands out to tell us that HE IS INDEED a skilled CPV/PPV advertiser who doesn't have the money to start off, just a few posts before your reply.

          Also, the OP is a PPC network owner so he knows what he is talking about when he says he's averaging 300%+ using the PPC method. It's not hard for him to promote CPA offers using his in-house PPC technology, that would still yield him around 300% + profit without any doubt.

          1000% is definitely viable. If you take a look at my signature, it's more than 1000%. But the point we have to draw out clearly here is, YOU CAN'T DO THAT EACH AND EVERYDAY. I had my best 2 weeks on January 2010, and I was averaging 1000% - 6000% for 14 days! But that's just ROI. When I reveal the real number, you'll know that it's viable but you just can't do it for 365 days, or everyone else would be a trillionaire. LOL.

          Each and everyday for those 2 weeks, I spent around $0.50 to $5 to make around $30 - $130. Tell me how much was the ROI? So that's why I don't look into ROI when we're talking about CPV/PPV -> CPA sometimes. It seems almost ridiculous but it's not hype.

          What's in my thought is, some so called seasoned IMers don't know how to explain or express themselves, and resulting some naive newbies to the IM world to be mislead. Fair enough? lol...

          There are always someone who likes to hype things up, and there are always people who likes to believe into the HYPES. Talking about the DEMANDS and SUPPLIES here

          Originally Posted by topskyca View Post

          this is a typical "guaranteed success" approach. not to offend you dude but apparently its something everybody wants.

          lets face it: NOBODY can give you 1000% in CPA. here is why:

          1. if someone have a offer doing well, his cash flow can feed its growth, he doesn't need your money to split the profits. (cpa networks can give you weekly wires.)
          2. if someone don't have a well-performing offer, he can certainly use your money to test offers until he can find a winner. but, there is no 1000% ROI.

          anyone who is has been successful in CPA knows a fact that only 10-20% offers will pan out, and most of them will be failures. how can you expect a 1000% ROI?

          the truth is you need to test, test, and test until you can make it work. And, the already working offer may be a goner tomorrow, so you need to work on the next one.

          ever top direct marketers can't guarantee their million dollar project's success, how can someone guarantee your success?

          i think the over hyped internet marketers have painted the picture too beautiful and make people have such unrealistic expectations.

          but good luck, maybe you will find one willing to work on your terms.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
          Originally Posted by topskyca View Post

          this is a typical "guaranteed success" approach. not to offend you dude but apparently its something everybody wants.

          lets face it: NOBODY can give you 1000% in CPA. here is why:

          1. if someone have a offer doing well, his cash flow can feed its growth, he doesn't need your money to split the profits. (cpa networks can give you weekly wires.)
          2. if someone don't have a well-performing offer, he can certainly use your money to test offers until he can find a winner. but, there is no 1000% ROI.

          anyone who is has been successful in CPA knows a fact that only 10-20% offers will pan out, and most of them will be failures. how can you expect a 1000% ROI?

          the truth is you need to test, test, and test until you can make it work. And, the already working offer may be a goner tomorrow, so you need to work on the next one.

          ever top direct marketers can't guarantee their million dollar project's success, how can someone guarantee your success?

          I think the over hyped internet marketers have painted the picture too beautiful and make people have such unrealistic expectations.

          but good luck, maybe you will find one willing to work on your terms.

          You know what dude? I was here wondering if I should reply or not...and I decided to post some words for you...
          OK...first of all...you did not offend me at all...I'm above this at this point of my life...:-)
          Let me tell you something....between the first post and the last one...there are tons of other ones...tha tells a "story"....You can't (well....you can...but you shouldn't) read the first post and jump to the last page posting something that you have in mind...without reading all other posts. It's something like to watch the first scenes of a movie and go straight to the end...and after that leave the theater telling what the movie was about...got the point?

          You don't know me...and I'm not someone famous...so no problem at all...:-)
          The fact is that I'm not a newbie in the IM industry. I do IM since 1998, run 56 PPC search egines (small ones) and make my confortable 7 figures a year since 2004 (If I'm not wrong...maybe 2003). I'm not an inflated ego person...and several guys here knows me very well so far...so I'm telling you that to say that I was not impressed with the Hypes from any "Guru" or any other ridiculous title they give themselves...I'm not a fool trying to be rich from a day to another (I'm sorry to say that...but I'm already...so this is not the point). When I started the thread I was looking for a professional do develop a work....I was looking for someone that could outsource the process for me...as I'm new to CPA and I don't have the time to manage another business...I already have my own company, my team and some new products about to be launched (some of the fellows here know what I'm talking about). I made a business proposal, a legitimate and valid one. I understood (along the posts..."watching the movie"....) that 1000% of ROI was not possible in a steady way. My busniess gives me a STEADY 374% ROI (montly average..of course) since YEARS....I was not aware of CPA margins....
          K..going ahead...I received a dozen proposals and closed a deal with a nice guy that reached 325% ROI...a very nice figure. It was a great deal for him and for me. Believe it or not...there are people without money to invest...and others with money to invest but without the skills...so they join forces and suddenly something magic happens...it's called capitalism! But in a VERY fair way.
          Now I just got in touch with someone that seems to be a very serious professional and I'm interested in work with him as well...
          That's what people do...work to make money...no matter if for a company, for another person...with a partner...whatever...it's about work...serious and honest work.
          If you had the time to read the posts, at least the ones just above yours...you'd understand that your post seems something "coming from nowhere" (no offense..please).
          You wrote about something that you are not aware...not in this case...not in this thread...

          OK...anyway...thanks for sharing your opinion with us...it's always great to know what other fellow warriors think...


          If I sounded rude...please forgive me..I'm not a rude person....I'm only really tired of reading posts unrelated with all that's going on...It's like jump into a conversation being not aware of the discussed matter...


          Thanks for your time,


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            Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post


            If I sounded rude...please forgive me..I'm not a rude person....I'm only really tired of reading posts unrelated with all that's going on...It's like jump in to a conversation being not aware of the discussed matter...


            Thanks for your time,


            Tony

            Ops, Luiz, if you read my post which I've replied to topskyca, you'd read that we're almost in the same tone! LOL

            But let me warn you something else apart from the business that's going on in the WF. THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE KIND OF POSTS, where people take a look into the first post in a thread, and jump straight to the end of the "movie"

            So just to let you know about that beforehand. I don't want to see you taking most of your time typing another "dude, I don't know if I should reply you or not" kinda post ... HAHAHA .. Save your time for some other useful stuff
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              Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

              Ops, Luiz, if you read my post which I've replied to topskyca, you'd read that we're almost in the same tone! LOL

              But let me warn you something else apart from the business that's going on in the WF. THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE KIND OF POSTS, where people take a look into the first post in a thread, and jump straight to the end of the "movie"

              So just to let you know about that beforehand. I don't want to see you taking most of your time typing another "dude, I don't know if I should reply you or not" kinda post ... HAHAHA .. Save your time for some other useful stuff
              LOL....better invest my time eating a REAL BIG...HUGE hamburger...as I'm now...:-)

              Thanks Chong....

              PS.I'm dropping the duplicated posts....:-)
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                Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

                LOL....better invest my time eating a REAL BIG...HUGE hamburger...as I'm now...:-)

                Thanks Chong....

                PS.I'm dropping the duplicated posts....:-)
                You're welcome man... Another thing, I am a vegan now. Much more healthier than I was. I saw vegetarian burger being advertised in Australia! Yummy!

                Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

                Let's work fellows...I just fiished my BigMac...(oops..this is not Twitter...) LOL!!!!
                LOL! how bout adding me into your Facebook too? change my existing email address with the ending of hotmail.com . You'll get to see a clown after adding me!
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                  Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

                  You're welcome man... Another thing, I am a vegan now. Much more healthier than I was. I saw vegetarian burger being advertised in Australia! Yummy!



                  LOL! how bout adding me into your Facebook too? change my existing email address with the ending of hotmail.com . You'll get to see a clown after adding me!
                  I don't have facebook...by the way...I'll PM you about that...I hope you are awake...:-)
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              Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

              Ops, Luiz, if you read my post which I've replied to topskyca, you'd read that we're almost in the same tone! LOL

              But let me warn you something else apart from the business that's going on in the WF. THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE KIND OF POSTS, where people take a look into the first post in a thread, and jump straight to the end of the "movie"

              So just to let you know about that beforehand. I don't want to see you taking most of your time typing another "dude, I don't know if I should reply you or not" kinda post ... HAHAHA .. Save your time for some other useful stuff
              hey Chong....I just read your reply to the cowboy and noticed your signature...so I remebered that it all started when I sent you a PM about your ROI...
              Can you tell me why in hell (or heaven) aren't we working along with CPA so far? Are we both crazy or what? Forget the ROI....let's make money...let's get Javier...let's create a winning team here....How does it sounds?

              Let me see the posts rolling guys....:-)


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                Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

                hey Chong....I just read your reply to the cowboy and noticed your signature...so I remebered that it all started when I sent you a PM about your ROI...
                Can you tell me why in hell (or heaven) aren't we working along with CPA so far? Are we both crazy or what? Forget the ROI....let's make money...let's get Javier...let's create a winning team here....How does it sounds?

                Let me see the posts rolling guys....:-)


                Tony
                It's almost an embarrassing thing to tell you that, I am not a PRO at all... Not even a yard by distance! Let me ask you, if you have Javier in the team, what am I supposed to do? LOL! I am only going to spend money testing stuffs much more than making money to be honest...

                In another words,I am only going to waste money testing stuff, because I am not even at the level where I can easily take a campaign and keep on split testing it and make profit out of it.

                Of course I would like to make money using the CPV method But like I said, I will use SEO to make some money first. And then fund them into my CPV campaigns

                Let me know what do you think about that in PM or email. I feel daunting typing all this out in the public LOL !!
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                • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
                  Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

                  It's almost an embarrassing thing to tell you that, I am not a PRO at all... Not even a yard by distance! Let me ask you, if you have Javier in the team, what am I supposed to do? LOL! I am only going to spend money testing stuffs much more than making money to be honest...

                  In another words,I am only going to waste money testing stuff, because I am not even at the level where I can easily take a campaign and keep on split testing it and make profit out of it.

                  Of course I would like to make money using the CPV method But like I said, I will use SEO to make some money first. And then fund them into my CPV campaigns

                  Let me know what do you think about that in PM or email. I feel daunting typing all this out in the public LOL !!
                  I don't agree with you....anyway...Let's talk later...

                  Now..What about a CPA club? We could have investors and skilled guys to manage....everybody wins....
                  Just brainstorming in public...but that's what a Forum is for...also....agre?
                  Let's see if someone have something to say about that...


                  Thanks,

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                  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
                    Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

                    Now..What about a CPA club? We could have investors and skilled guys to manage....everybody wins....
                    Just brainstorming in public...but that's what a Forum is for...also....agre?
                    Let's see if someone have something to say about that...


                    Thanks,

                    Tony
                    GOSH! Millionaires could be easily produced using that idea alone, but of course,with good legal stuff supporting behind.

                    I'll leave some space for others for this purpose alone. Or you can create a new thread about this!

                    Thanks for tracing each and every post of mine.. I am going to post more useful stuff from now on. Or else you'll be wasting time on rubbish posts
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                      Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

                      GOSH! Millionaires could be easily produced using that idea alone, but of course,with good legal stuff supporting behind.

                      I'll leave some space for others for this purpose alone. Or you can create a new thread about this!

                      Thanks for tracing each and every post of mine.. I am going to post more useful stuff from now on. Or else you'll be wasting time on rubbish posts
                      Please go ahead and open the new thread....seriously....I think you are better than me to explain the idea...and so far you know me very well to know what I have in mind...not to mention that we think alike....( I did not say that we are "great minds"....it would be ridiculous...LOL)

                      Go ahead man...open the thread and let me know...


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                    Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

                    I don't agree with you....anyway...Let's talk later...

                    Now..What about a CPA club? We could have investors and skilled guys to manage....everybody wins....
                    Just brainstorming in public...but that's what a Forum is for...also....agre?
                    Let's see if someone have something to say about that...


                    Thanks,

                    Tony
                    I am actually intrigued by this idea in theory, as I have had similar thoughts over the years.

                    I have to say that implementation is going to be hard, due to the issue of finding guys and gals that are qualified to do this, as you discovered.

                    I am open to ideas on this and willing to brainstorm however.

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                    sorry...duplicate post...
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            • Profile picture of the author JavierElenes
              Hi topskyca


              Some posts look like...


              It doesn't work because... mmm... because it's too hard and people are lazy or it doesn't work because people are crooks, or it doesn't work because... mmm... because I never did it myself


              Let me show you this man!!


              initial investment: $3000 usd


              first 48 hours result: $2496 < /loss because of "testing offers/LPs, eliminating URLs>
              next 48 hours result: $3847 < /in profit now since the testing was completed >
              next 72 hours result: $6593 < /more profits "we started to scale up" >


              Balance after the first week of operation? 210% ROI +/-


              Let me say this "ROI IS A TRICKIE NUMBER"


              Balance after the second week of operation? $12,567 (410% ROI) "general"


              Let me say this for second time "ROI IS A TRICKIE NUMBER"


              If we follow through the third week and 4th week, I can tell you we did reach 1000% ROI


              But only because we scaled up, reinvest and recycle the process, not a magical 1000% where you put $1000 and get $10,000 tomorrow, NOOO it doesn't work like that at least not for me, maybe for a better trained-skilled-experienced-golden-touching person. AND YOU DON'T TOUCH THE EARNINGS YOU REINVEST, SCALE UP AND REPEAT


              Cash flow is very very important when you are working on limited resources, (the most common situation)


              What I can assure you is this, it is 100% possible to invest a capital and have 1000% ROI by the end of the month, based on the initial capital, not daily average ROI per campaign, this is how an investor look for return, an investor doesn't care of daily numbers and numbers where marketers play around with the concept, an investor want to know... if I invest $xxx today, how much I will end up with by the end of the month/year, etc


              Of course there are some investors/marketers where I could talk for days about detailed campaigns, daily average ROI/campaigns even per URL and more and nobody gets bored, ha ha ha


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    Hey...I just found out that the "gift" I posted is something that everybody and his dog already have...LOL...sorry about that...I'll give a real gift soon....just give me some time....:-)


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      Originally Posted by smart176 View Post

      Hey Luiz....I see it as a very valid offer....even if its a seasoned pro, if they're business savvy enough they would have the knowledge to ramp their system up without that much more effort on their part while making it a win/win scenario. Percentages would probably be negotiated which I don't see it being a problem to you.

      But I get you....you want these big boys to put up and you'll throw your money in the ring to see if they can deliver....I believe thats one of the biggest elements to you, as well as making a profit on your money...


      On the other hand, there is people out there with skill and no capital to ramp it up.....in this case, finding someone like that is like a diamond in the rough.

      Best wishes on it...and I'll keep an eye out for you....

      thanks

      Brik

      Yes, that's what I'm talking about, its a business proposal, for some people (wrong thinking) Luiz want to take advantage of an expert, some guys think he's naive to think some one will be interested

      Some like us think, it's a business proposal where there really are people that fit in the model and doesn't have (the proposal) anything wrong, not even a single drop of problem for anybody.

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    i want to try,if you want share..
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    Let's work fellows...I just fiished my BigMac...(oops..this is not Twitter...) LOL!!!!
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    It would be a great idea to develop a cpa club. Investors can invest in the projects and share the profits..If everything is kept transparent, it could work out well.
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      Originally Posted by ajeetroy View Post

      It would be a great idea to develop a cpa club. Investors can invest in the projects and share the profits..If everything is kept transparent, it could work out well.
      I think so...maybe tons of legal stuff to discuss to guarantee everybody...but it would be really interesting...
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    Hey biz, 50/50 could be interesting,
    i will pm you.
    (*edit - oops can't pm yet you can reach me on my email onlinecasinosponge at gmail dot com send me a msg and i will fill you out with my details and skills)
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      Originally Posted by Assphesx View Post

      Hey biz, 50/50 could be interesting,
      i will pm you.
      (*edit - oops can't pm yet you can reach me on my email onlinecasinosponge at gmail dot com send me a msg and i will fill you out with my details and skills)
      Thanks for your offer my friend but I already closed a solid deal about that.


      All the best,


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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    Why it is restricted to cpa only? Why not to look into some other business model. If you want to become investor, you should look into every proposal. Doesnt mean cpa is the holy grail of increasing money by leaps and bounds.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    The only way I can think of getting that kind of ROI on 15000$ is taking that money, building a list of 15000 subscribers or more with CPV. And only then you can get 1000% ROI on the money, but it will happen probably after a year.

    1000% ROI can be probably achieved through many very small campaigns because it's pretty hard to get it on big traffic targets. Expirienced marketers can get 300% ROI, but 1000%?

    P.S - even if there is someone like that, why would he want this deal? Let's say he has 100$, after month - 1000$, 2 months - 10000$, 3 Months - 100000$. And it's all his...
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    Congrats man. thats good,
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    Goldman Sachs called they said anybody who can achieve a guaranteed ROI of 1,000% compounded annually may now address the CEO directly.
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