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14 years ago

So if I've got this right you want to make $36,500 a year, but you don't want to spend much time or money to make it.

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Michael W

14 years ago

Nothing is easy my friend. If making money was so easy, everyone would be making an easy $100. You have to understand, income 'slowly' flows in. You need to set the foundation of a website. You can't just expect money to go bam bam bam into your pocket.

I would recommend you look up CPA (Cost per action) and a recommended network: CPALead.

CPA is quite a good go at the moment, i've made some nice hard cash with it. Look around this forum, there's some great advice out there. I'm also releasing a guide on CPA + Facebook soon.

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mjbiel

14 years ago

Stop right there, I don't want the next posters responding to both your comments thinking I want things for free. Btw, I do have a degree so forget that. All I wanted to know is some ways to get started that aren't very expensive, I don't want to spend a lot of money on something that won't work. So the rest of the posters, if you have any advice, feel free to post it, if its negative, please refrain from it. I am a hard working man, that just wants to make some extra income but obviously time and money is a factor in my life.

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Kenster

14 years ago

The tough part about answering the question is that there is no one way to easily make $100 a day. People are doing that and much more using every single method out there. Its not really the method you have to worry about, but much more importantly is how much time and effort you are willing to put into any one method to become good at it, and thats where the money comes in.

With that said, if you dont want to spend a lot, you can focus on free traffic sources and rinse and repeat something that works to eventually get to an autopilot income stream of $100 per day. It takes work in the beginning but it is very doable.

You can create loads of videos

You can create load of articles

You can create a blog or site and try and get it ranked organically

You can build a list and monetize in the future that way

You can start a micro niche membership site

Lots of great easy to make money online, just focus on any one way and make it work!

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Cstuff

14 years ago

100$ per day is difficult, but my recommendation would be to create a cheap, say $10 product to sell somewhere. Use free traffic sources such as article marketing and videos. This way, you only have to sell 10 products per day which is doable. If you have a conversion rate of about 2%, then that's about 500 visitors per day. Like I said, not easy but doable if you put some effort into it.

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cpabrainstormer 14 years ago

Hey mjbiel,

Clickbank, in my opinion, is dead. When I first started I tried affiliate marketing and I was promoting Clickbank products with little, to no, success. If I were you I would start getting into CPA marketing. Read as many threads here as you can and learn how the industry works. It's a heck of a lot easier than selling info products and you can get started right away.

Once you have a general understanding of how it works, join a CPA network and start promoting some offers. What does your advertising budget look like? If you have some money at your disposal, start promoting offers with CPV (cost per view advertising). There's a learning curve to it, but if you are committed to it, you'll pick up on how it works fairly quickly.

If you don't have enough of a budget to get started with paid traffic, start building content blogs around certain offers. Add an email opt-in and start building a list. Once you have a good size list, you can promote your offers to that list and $100/day becomes very attainable! Hope that helps!

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Kenster

14 years ago

People are still making a ton with clickbank both on the seller side and the affiliate side. But, in my biased opinion, CPA trumps clickbank in terms of potential and ease to get into for newbies as it is generally easier to see conversions right away with CPA compared to clickbank.

But yes, first start by learning, reading, a getting a general idea of how things work. Then apply to networks, start testing the waters in a few directions, and then settle down with one of them and start getting good at it.

Its a learning process and you may feel like you are traveling blind at first, thats okay. We have all been there!

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cpabrainstormer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

People are still making a ton with clickbank both on the seller side and the affiliate side. But, in my biased opinion, CPA trumps clickbank in terms of potential and ease to get into for newbies as it is generally easier to see conversions right away with CPA compared to clickbank.

But yes, first start by learning, reading, a getting a general idea of how things work. Then apply to networks, start testing the waters in a few directions, and then settle down with one of them and start getting good at it.

Its a learning process and you may feel like you are traveling blind at first, thats okay. We have all been there!

I'll agree with the seller side, but the affiliate side is so unbelievably saturated that I find it hard to believe that there is a significant amount of people making a "ton" of money. Any product you try to promote on CB is already being promoted by thousands of others. And the one's that aren't being promoted are the one's that don't sell.

What I was trying to convey is that selling info products is becoming less and less relevant. There is such a wealth of information already out there that people don't need to be buying info products. Everybody thinks that just because you are paying for something, it is quality. And that's just not true.

No doubt about it, there are some great info products out there. But the ones that are making the big bucks are the one's being promoted by the "guru's" and all their buddies. In my opinion, the only way to make a significant amount of money by promoting info products, is to have a MASSIVE list and the right connections. That's all I was trying to say.

Best of Luck,

CPABrainstormer

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Saluki Guy 14 years ago

If you are broke I would recommend creative offline methods first, The more creative, the better. Black hat stuff pays quicker but it's a risk that's not worth it in the long run. -Also, if you have Photoshop or web design skills, you can get some outsourcing income. The sooner you start, the better. Unfortunately, making money in IM takes time because most networks pay net 30 days which added to the time it takes to generate traffic means it could be 60-90 days before any money comes in.
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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

I'll agree with the seller side, but the affiliate side is so unbelievably saturated that I find it hard to believe that there is a significant amount of people making a "ton" of money. Any product you try to promote on CB is already being promoted by thousands of others. And the one's that aren't being promoted are the one's that don't sell.

What I was trying to convey is that selling info products is becoming less and less relevant. There is such a wealth of information already out there that people don't need to be buying info products. Everybody thinks that just because you are paying for something, it is quality. And that's just not true.

No doubt about it, there are some great info products out there. But the ones that are making the big bucks are the one's being promoted by the "guru's" and all their buddies. In my opinion, the only way to make a significant amount of money by promoting info products, is to have a MASSIVE list and the right connections. That's all I was trying to say.

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CPABrainstormer, you have been contributing a lot to this forum in the last few weeks, but I disagree with you now.

First, Clickbank is not saturated. I still make money with Clickbank products and, although it's a not a ton of money, it's a full time income. However, I focus mainly on CPA, and I'm sure that people who focus on Clickbank still are making serious money. Competition is not a problem if you are a good marketer. There is plenty of good traffic out there and anyone can make money with good Clickbank products.

Second, people still need infoproducts. I know that there are tons of information out there, but it's not well organized. Sometimes, people can't put all the pieces together and need help. For example, why do you think that most beginners buy WSOs and other IM products? They can find that information for free on forums and blogs, put it's hard to develop an efficient system with small pieces of information. However, most courses have a well organized strategy that will allow them to figure out how a method really works.

Third, owning a massive list is not the only way to make money online. I have email lists in different niches and they are profitable. However, most of my income comes from other traffic sources. So it's 100% possible to make money without email marketing. Of course, I'm not saying that building email lists is not important. On the contrary, we must do it. However, people shouldn't think that they can't make money if they don't have 50K subscribers.

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cpabrainstormer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

CPABrainstormer, you have been contributing a lot to this forum in the last few weeks, but I disagree with you now.

First, Clickbank is not saturated. I still make money with Clickbank products and, although it's a not a ton of money, it's a full time income. However, I focus mainly on CPA, and I'm sure that people who focus on Clickbank still are making serious money. Competition is not a problem if you are a good marketer. There is plenty of good traffic out there and anyone can make money with good Clickbank products.

Second, people still need infoproducts. I know that there are tons of information out there, but it's not well organized. Sometimes, people can't put all the pieces together and need help. For example, why do you think that most beginners buy WSOs and other IM products? They can find that information for free on forums and blogs, put it's hard to develop an efficient system with small pieces of information. However, most courses have a well organized strategy that will allow them to figure out how a method really works.

Third, owning a massive list is not the only way to make money online. I have email lists in different niches and they are profitable. However, most of my income comes from other traffic sources. So it's 100% possible to make money without email marketing. Of course, I'm not saying that building email lists is not important. On the contrary, we must do it. However, people shouldn't think that they can't make money if they don't have 50K subscribers.

William

William,

I don't ever recall saying that creating a list is the only way to make money online. All I said is, in my opinion, having a massive email list is the only way to promote INFO PRODUCTS. I never said that it is the only way to make money in all facets of IM.

And I am going to have to disagree with the fact that people NEED info products. They enjoy the luxury of having info products around. Those people that don't want to try and organize the information that is available right there in front of them, are the one's who want the info products.

And you can't say that CB isn't saturated. Go to Clickbank, the next chance you get, and find the product with the highest gravity. I can GUARANTEE that you will find at least 2 pages on Google of "review sites" for the product. For example, "The Cash Code" is one of the best selling info products on CB right now. Type that into Google and you will see exactly what I mean.

No doubt about it, there are people who are making money from that product. My guess, however, is that it's either the people who have established some kind of JV relationship with Michael Jones or, have A LOT of experience with IM to able to find the alternate traffic sources and/or be able to rank well on Google.

I'm not trying to argue or anything, all I'm trying to say is that "guru's" always try and steer people (newbies in particular) toward CB to get started with affiliate marketing and I think that is really bad advice. I think that CPA marketing is a far more lucrative business model and, right now at least, there is still enough room in the industry for beginners to get started and do pretty well.

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

I don't ever recall saying that creating a list is the only way to make money online. All I said is, in my opinion, having a massive email list is the only way to promote INFO PRODUCTS. I never said that it is the only way to make money in all facets of IM.

No, this is not the only way to promote info products. Maybe if you are in the IM, which is different than the other niches, but this rule doesn't apply to all the other niches. I make money selling CB without using email marketing, so I can guarantee to you that it's 100% possible.

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

And I am going to have to disagree with the fact that people NEED info products. They enjoy the luxury of having info products around. Those people that don't want to try and organize the information that is available right there in front of them, are the one's who want the info products.

They can't organize the information by themselves or they are too lazy to do that. Both things happen, but... what's the difference? They end up needing info products anyway.

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

And you can't say that CB isn't saturated. Go to Clickbank, the next chance you get, and find the product with the highest gravity. I can GUARANTEE that you will find at least 2 pages on Google of "review sites" for the product. For example, "The Cash Code" is one of the best selling info products on CB right now. Type that into Google and you will see exactly what I mean.

Welcome to the IM world. Not everybody who promotes the top CB products make money, but if they are the top products it's because people are making money with them. And don't say that it's because of the super affiliates because even a super affiliate can't add more than 1 point of gravity to a CB product. 2 pages of review sites? No problems, you will make money if you beat your competitors and get one of the first 5 spots. This business involves dealing with competition, and it's not possible to make money online without accepting this fact. Competition doesn't mean saturation.

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I'm not trying to argue or anything, all I'm trying to say is that "guru's" always try and steer people (newbies in particular) toward CB to get started with affiliate marketing and I think that is really bad advice. I think that CPA marketing is a far more lucrative business model and, right now at least, there is still enough room in the industry for beginners to get started and do pretty well.

Now I agree. CPA is better for beginners, and I think that the reason why most gurus tell people (newbies) to go to Clickbank is because it's easier to create a CB account than getting accepted by CPA networks. Also, the process to sell info products is one, but email submits, short forms, free trials... they are all completely different and require different approaches.

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cpabrainstormer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

No, this is not the only way to promote info products. Maybe if you are in the IM, which is different than the other niches, but this rule doesn't apply to all the other niches. I make money selling CB without using email marketing, so I can guarantee to you that it's 100% possible.

I don't understand why you keep saying "No" every time I say "In my opinion". Doesn't that defeat the purpose of it being MY opinion? I understand that you may make some money promoting CB products, but it is not easy for a beginner to do. And if you have this great information on how to make money with CB, why don't you share it with the person who asked the question? They would like to know how to make $100/day and if you have some information that may help him, I'm sure he would appreciate it.

Originally Posted by williamrs

They can't organize the information by themselves or they are too lazy to do that. Both things happen, but... what's the difference? They end up needing info products anyway.

All I was pointing out is that the over-abundance of info products out there makes them almost irresistible to beginners. They get into IM and realize that there is SO much to learn and they think that a $2000 info course/product is going to be their ticket to becoming a millionaire.

What I'm proposing is that before a person buy a product, they go out and do some research first. Not only will they probably find the answer to their question, but they will most likely obtain information beyond what they were originally searching for. Laziness is only going to lead to other bad habits, so why not get started the right way?

Originally Posted by williamrs

Welcome to the IM world. Not everybody who promotes the top CB products make money, but if they are the top products it's because people are making money with them. And don't say that it's because of the super affiliates because even a super affiliate can't add more than 1 point of gravity to a CB product. 2 pages of review sites? No problems, you will make money if you beat your competitors and get one of the first 5 spots. This business involves dealing with competition, and it's not possible to make money online without accepting this fact. Competition doesn't mean saturation.

Again, getting to one of the top 5 spots on Google for ANY niche, is a HUGE challenge. Not only does it take a LONG time to reach that point, but it takes a TON of hard work. And you need to know what you're doing. Another reason that it is EXTREMELY difficult for beginners. And that is why I think A LOT of info products out there are unnecessary. They steer people into thinking that they can make a niche site and rank on the first page of Google very easily, when that is clearly not the case.

Also, I would like to know how you classify saturation if not by competition? Because to me, saturation is defined as having an over-abundance of competition (i.e - most CB products), making it very difficult to establish oneself. Maybe that's not how you define it, but that is what I have learned in my time in IM.

Originally Posted by williamrs

Now I agree. CPA is better for beginners, and I think that the reason why most gurus tell people (newbies) to go to Clickbank is because it's easier to create a CB account than getting accepted by CPA networks. Also, the process to sell info products is one, but email submits, short forms, free trials... they are all completely different and require different approaches.

I'm glad we agree on at least one thing! It is definitely a lot easier to create a CB account, but that also means that there is a lot more competition. The fact that CB does not screen it's affiliates before acceptance is the reason that there are SO many people promoting the products. I'll take a little less diversity of offers with CPA, over heavy competition with CB.

Either way, this is a great topic of discussion. People need to know both sides of the argument and I'm glad that it was brought up. Clearly, we both feel strongly about our side of the argument, but that doesn't mean that either one of us is wrong!

As for the original question, SVLABS hit the nail right on the head! As you said, you don't want to spend a lot of money to get started so I think the WF is going to be your golden ticket. Keep reading, obtain as much information as possible, and ask as many questions as you can! People are here to help! Hope this helped!

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

I don't understand why you keep saying "No" every time I say "In my opinion". Doesn't that defeat the purpose of it being MY opinion? I understand that you may make some money promoting CB products, but it is not easy for a beginner to do. And if you have this great information on how to make money with CB, why don't you share it with the person who asked the question? They would like to know how to make $100/day and if you have some information that may help him, I'm sure he would appreciate it.

Ok, so it's your opinion. Sorry if I offended you by saying "no", please, don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion. However, based on my experience and on my own business I can say that it's possible to make money selling CB products without having an email list. I'm not guessing, I'm just telling you what I've learned based on my own experience.

Why I don't share what I know? Please, go to my profile, click on "Statistics" and then on "Find all posts by williamrs". You will see that I share what I know everyday on this forum. However, I don't want to mislead the OP, I can't teach him how to make $100 a day in one thread. I would have already done this if could and solved the life of many Warriors, but I don't see how it's possible.

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

All I was pointing out is that the over-abundance of info products out there makes them almost irresistible to beginners. They get into IM and realize that there is SO much to learn and they think that a $2000 info course/product is going to be their ticket to becoming a millionaire.

What I'm proposing is that before a person buy a product, they go out and do some research first. Not only will they probably find the answer to their question, but they will most likely obtain information beyond what they were originally searching for. Laziness is only going to lead to other bad habits, so why not get started the right way?

Oh, ok, it's exactly what people who want to make money online should do. However, it doesn't mean that info products don't sell. First IM is not the only niche out there. Second, I wouldn't have started making a full time income online without buying a few good products. I'm not saying that they will show beginners everything that they need to know, but they can make things a lot easier (of course, I'm talking about the good products, not the scams).

Anyway, as I said, we are not talking exclusively about info products in the IM niche. Weight loss, fitness, registry cleaners, dog training, make up, how to play guitar... There are countless niches and people are always looking for well organized information that will help them solve their problems. For example, can you learn how to play guitar by yourself using only free information? Probably. However, don't you think that it will be much easier if you buy a good course?

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

Again, getting to one of the top 5 spots on Google for ANY niche, is a HUGE challenge. Not only does it take a LONG time to reach that point, but it takes a TON of hard work. And you need to know what you're doing. Another reason that it is EXTREMELY difficult for beginners. And that is why I think A LOT of info products out there are unnecessary. They steer people into thinking that they can make a niche site and rank on the first page of Google very easily, when that is clearly not the case.

Also, I would like to know how you classify saturation if not by competition? Because to me, saturation is defined as having an over-abundance of competition (i.e - most CB products), making it very difficult to establish oneself. Maybe that's not how you define it, but that is what I have learned in my time in IM.

It's not easy, I agree 100%. However, do you think that making money online is an easy task? We can't simply create a website and start making money, there are many challenges we have to face. The OP seems to be a beginner looking for a way to make $100 a day. Do you think that there is a simple answer for his questions? Do you think that he will easily reach his goal?

There is a huge difference between hard and impossible. It's not easy for a beginner to make money online. I spent 2 years of my life building websites that never made me a single buck. However, I make a living online today. It was hard, but it was not impossible. So there will always be a HUGE challenge.

About saturation, yes, of course it's about competition, but it's about an incredibly high amount of competition. The fact that there is reasonable competition doesn't mean that a market is saturated. Some (few) CB products may be staurated, but, come on, CB is one of the biggest marketplaces on the internet, how can we say that it's saturated. There are many, many CB products that we can promote and make a decent amount of commissions.

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I'm glad we agree on at least one thing! It is definitely a lot easier to create a CB account, but that also means that there is a lot more competition. The fact that CB does not screen it's affiliates before acceptance is the reason that there are SO many people promoting the products. I'll take a little less diversity of offers with CPA, over heavy competition with CB.

Maybe yes, maybe not. The fact is that all the intermediate/experienced marketers who actually make money online can easily get accepted by any CPA network. So, the only difference between the CPA networks and CB are the new affiliates who still are not earning commissions, and it doesn't make a big difference when it comes to competition, since they still haven't figured out how to play the IM game, they are still in the stage we call of "learning curve".

Uuufff... We have a nice discussion here

. But it's amazing! I just think that it's too long for a such a small point: is Clickbank dead? We both agree that CB is competitive, the only difference is that you say that it's dead and I say that it's not. And, to be honest, I don't think that it's the most important point here. The purpose of this thread is to help the OP, and I think that we both agree that the best way he has to reach his $100/day goal is CPA, not CB. So what's the difference if CB is saturated or not?

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cpabrainstormer

14 years ago

Couldn't agree more William! And I was never offended and I hope I didn't offend you in any way. I think it just shows that we are both VERY passionate about our business'. And THAT is the important part of our discussion. So saturated or not, easy or difficult, we are all working towards one common goal, financial stability!

I have really enjoyed this thread and I wish you nothing but the best!

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

Couldn't agree more William! And I was never offended and I hope I didn't offend you in any way. I think it just shows that we are both VERY passionate about our business'. And THAT is the important part of our discussion. So saturated or not, easy or difficult, we are all working towards one common goal, financial stability!

I have really enjoyed this thread and I wish you nothing but the best!

CPABrainstormer

I wish you the same

And this is the reason why this forum is great for newbies, intermediate and advanced marketers, we always can learn a lot from this kind of discussion.

However, now let me give an advice to the OP, because I think I still haven't done it!

First, your goal, $100 a day, is good, it's not exaggerated for a beginner. However, you need to understand that chances are that you won't reach it in one or 2 days. If you have already tried several things as you state you already know this.

So the first thing you need to do is to have the right mindset, which is composed by 2 main elements: focus and patience.

Stop trying several different things and choose something definitive for you. If you can't afford to spend a lot of money on your business it's ok, just choose a free traffic source, but don't start jumping from one method to another, choose something and stick at it until you start making some money. Don't lose your focus.

Also, be patient. For example, if you decide that you will work with article marketing, you won't make money with your first 4 or 5 articles. However, it doesn't mean that you won't start making money after writing 20 or 30 articles. The more you practice the more you learn, and being patient is the only way you have to pass your learning curve and start making $100 a day.

About what you should bet on, I would say that free and low cost CPA offers are the best choice. It's much easier to convince a person to inform their email to receive a free gift than submit their credit card number to receive a product that will cost them $100 a month. So join some CPA networks, choose 2 or 3 verticals to work on and then ask your aff managers what email and short form submits are perfoming well with you traffic source. They will help you find a few good offers to start with. Then you just have to start testing your offers and looking for a campaign with a positive ROI. It may take 1 or 60 days, but you will find it if you don't jump to another system during this time.

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mjbiel 14 years ago

Thanks for the advice everyone, I welcome anymore and am trying to read all of them to get an idea of where to start. By the way, what does OP stand for. Anyway, like I said about CB, I was promoting CB offers through twitter which was free but very difficult and I would go days without getting anything and to this day I still have not met there requirements which is 5 sells with different credit card numbers. I have over 5 sells but many are paypal purchases which don't count towards the 5 credit card numbers rule. Of course once I start making solid money I can move up my budget but even though I feel I know a lot about technology, I have no idea on things like CPA's, uploading videos and stuff like that. Just trying to make some extra dollars and I don't plan on making this a living but learning how to do all this is great knowledge to have. Again anymore advice not only helps me out but other beginners.
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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

I'll agree with the seller side, but the affiliate side is so unbelievably saturated that I find it hard to believe that there is a significant amount of people making a "ton" of money. Any product you try to promote on CB is already being promoted by thousands of others. And the one's that aren't being promoted are the one's that don't sell.

What I was trying to convey is that selling info products is becoming less and less relevant. There is such a wealth of information already out there that people don't need to be buying info products. Everybody thinks that just because you are paying for something, it is quality. And that's just not true.

No doubt about it, there are some great info products out there. But the ones that are making the big bucks are the one's being promoted by the "guru's" and all their buddies. In my opinion, the only way to make a significant amount of money by promoting info products, is to have a MASSIVE list and the right connections. That's all I was trying to say.

Best of Luck,

CPABrainstormer

I see where you are coming from.

But, if you are creative, you can still promote clickbank products successfully...maybe you will need to look beyond the obvious traffic channels, but there are plenty of people making a substantial full time living promoting CB products.

In my personal opinion, I think CPA is much more lucrative, but people are still killing it with CB so good on them.

As for selling info products, you are completely right, most information is out there somewhere, but then whats the point of buying any book, or heck what the point of the many billion dollar consulting industry. The point is that people are not necessarily paying for hidden information, they are paying for convenience of information. I would much rather throw down 3k on a course then spend a few weeks searching for that same information for free on the web...which most of it undoubtedly is. You are paying for the convenience and the consolidation of information. Info products, consulting, and any other payment for information has always been around and always will.

And if there are that many people promoting the CB products, then one would assume they are making money or else nobody would be paying for clicks...ya know what I mean?

Anyway, there are plenty of people selling clickbank products successfully throughout all of the promotion channels. Whether its easier or tougher than CPA is another story.

good healthy convo here!

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Kenster

14 years ago

One more addition...

One way CB trumps CPA is is terms of diversity of offers. There are very micro niche CB products whereas with CPA, there are many niche offers but much fewer micro niche offers!

I still have some income streams coming from Clickbank mostly because I cant find a CPA offer that works with the extremely targeted niche traffic

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cpabrainstormer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

One more addition...

One way CB trumps CPA is is terms of diversity of offers. There are very micro niche CB products whereas with CPA, there are many niche offers but much fewer micro niche offers!

I still have some income streams coming from Clickbank mostly because I cant find a CPA offer that works with the extremely targeted niche traffic

I can agree with that Kenster. And I hope you don't think I was calling you out or anything before, I know you know your stuff, I was just trying to present a different opinion to the question.

However, I don't think that those micro niche offers are going to make anyone a HUGE amount of money. There's a reason that very few people are promoting them and that's because they are either junky products or they just aren't converting, for whatever reason. Yes, you may be able to make a sale here or there, but for the most part, you are going to be spending dollars to make dimes.

So I guess there is an argument for both sides. But I will ALWAYS choose an industry centered around generating leads (CPA) over an industry that is centered around making SALES (CB). Just my opinion though!

Best of Luck,

CPABrainstormer

P.S - And you're a braver man than I am if you're willing to throw down $3k on an info course/product! From my experience, those are the one's that are created by the big name guys who already have a following who will buy anything they throw out. Plus, it's almost impossible to find an unbiased review on any course with the explosion of affiliate marketing!

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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cpabrainstormer

I can agree with that Kenster. And I hope you don't think I was calling you out or anything before, I know you know your stuff, I was just trying to present a different opinion to the question.

However, I don't think that those micro niche offers are going to make anyone a HUGE amount of money. There's a reason that very few people are promoting them and that's because they are either junky products or they just aren't converting, for whatever reason. Yes, you may be able to make a sale here or there, but for the most part, you are going to be spending dollars to make dimes.

So I guess there is an argument for both sides. But I will ALWAYS choose an industry centered around generating leads (CPA) over an industry that is centered around making SALES (CB). Just my opinion though!

Best of Luck,

CPABrainstormer

P.S - And you're a braver man than I am if you're willing to throw down $3k on an info course/product! From my experience, those are the one's that are created by the big name guys who already have a following who will buy anything they throw out. Plus, it's almost impossible to find an unbiased review on any course with the explosion of affiliate marketing!

GREAT healthy discussion of CPA...I love it!

And yes, CPA all the way. Of course most of us are biased here on this thread, but CPA is great for newbies because results can be seen fast. This is important for newbies because its easy to lose hope and quit when you first start. By seeing results (even if small), this gives the motivation needed to get over thsoe first few hurdles!

A complete newbie can literally be making money the same day they get accepted to a network. How fricken cool is that!

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SVLABS

14 years ago

okay let me do this again then, because you must admit the thread starter was pretty typical newbie type "how can I make money without spending or doing".

There are a ton of ways to make money but $100 a day is quite a task if you don't already have a firm knowledge of what's required.

Here's how I would advise you to spend your $1000.

First, get a WF subscription. It's the best investment you'll ever make. Put the other $963 into a savings account and spend the next 4 weeks solid, and go through every post you can in the internet marketing thread and most importantly the War Room.

Once you've finished you'll know exactly what you want to do, how you're going to do it, and how long it should take to complete. Then you'll be ready to throw your $963 into a business that will make you $100 a day.

There is no single correct answer to your question. The truth is that 99% of your success comes from your attitude. None of us know if you have what it takes but so far you seem to be on the right track.

Good luck.

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mjbiel

14 years ago

Originally Posted by SVLABS

okay let me do this again then, because you must admit the thread starter was pretty typical newbie type "how can I make money without spending or doing".

There are a ton of ways to make money but $100 a day is quite a task if you don't already have a firm knowledge of what's required.

Here's how I would advise you to spend your $1000.

First, get a WF subscription. It's the best investment you'll ever make. Put the other $963 into a savings account and spend the next 4 weeks solid, and go through every post you can in the internet marketing thread and most importantly the War Room.

Once you've finished you'll know exactly what you want to do, how you're going to do it, and how long it should take to complete. Then you'll be ready to throw your $963 into a business that will make you $100 a day.

There is no single correct answer to your question. The truth is that 99% of your success comes from your attitude. None of us know if you have what it takes but so far you seem to be on the right track.

Good luck.

If you read full post I never said that I wanted to make money with spending or doing nothing. That's not my mentality, I don't believe things are free and many people gave some really decent advice. So please don't judge just because of the way I may phrase a certain question. I welcome all helpful advice.

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ChrisBa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mjbiel

I would like to get people's opinion on what the cheapest, quickest way to make $100 a day (legally and ethically) on the internet. I have tried doing things like Clickbank but you have to sell so much to finally get paid and it is still difficult to do. I have tried the blogs and that takes awhile to get started. I am just looking for a quick way to get started and I know that most things take time cause I have been doing this for awhile myself but have not found anything that sticks or that I could go with. And I don't want to spend a lot of money. I know I am making this sound difficult but any advice from people that have had success would be great.

Honestly, I'd start with small SEO sites. Learn that, then use that income to reinvest into PPC or other paid traffic sources

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paulie888

14 years ago

The reason why I think CPA (in my biased opinion) tends to work better for newbies is because you almost invariably see results much faster, as compared to Clickbank. With many CPA offers (especially the simple, free zip and email submits) a conversion is far easier to obtain than a sale at Clickbank, and newbies almost always tend to focus on results in the form of money earned; in my opinion seeing even a small trickle of conversions in CPA is going to motivate them far more than trying to promote products in Clickbank and often having to go days and weeks before even seeing a sale come in.

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mjbiel

14 years ago

Hey Kenster or for anyone else for that matter, do you have any suggestions on how exactly to start and which CPA programs are the best. I don't have a blog o website or any place to get traffic to so are there other ways. I know when filling CPA questionarres out, you have to have that info. I could be wrong but any help is good. Thanks again.

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