Fraudster caught within seconds (funny -- for me)

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So here's the situation:

A very legitimate looking affiliate account signed up. High traffic website, whois information matched his application information, including name, phone number, and address, which doesn't happen too often. However, the address that the person signed up with did not match his IP address. So I figured I'd drop him a message on AIM before conducting a phone interview to just check out why the IP address and address listed on the application do not match. I wont include any names for privacy reasons, but the name on the application was certainly an American -- probably Irish-American -- name. So here is our AIM conversation:

(11:31:00 AM) CPATrendPhil: Hey <English name>, how are you?
(11:31:36 AM) fraudster: hi friend
(11:32:19 AM) CPATrendPhil: You just signed up for an affiliate account at CPATrend, just had a quick question.
(11:33:05 AM) fraudster: y
(11:33:15 AM) CPATrendPhil: huh?
(11:34:41 AM) fraudster: can i Join affiliate?
(11:35:02 AM) CPATrendPhil: You already signed up, I just wanted to ask you a question..
(11:35:18 AM) fraudster: sure
(11:35:58 AM) CPATrendPhil: Where did you sign up from?
(11:36:32 AM) fraudster: Chinese students
(11:36:49 AM) CPATrendPhil: Do you speak English?
(11:36:52 AM) fraudster: I have gone through your website and find it very impressive. I thought
me can definitely Improve the revenue from your campaigns.

(11:37:21 AM) fraudster: but my English is bad.
(11:37:29 AM) CPATrendPhil: you never answered my question
(11:37:34 AM) fraudster: i have lot of
customer which best suits your campaigns.

(11:37:47 AM) CPATrendPhil: you still have not answered my question
(11:37:59 AM) CPATrendPhil: (11:35:58 AM) CPATrendPhil: Where did you sign up from?
(11:38:12 AM) fraudster: china
(11:38:26 AM) CPATrendPhil: So <english name> isn't your real name is it?
(11:39:01 AM) fraudster: <Chinese Name>
(11:39:13 AM) CPATrendPhil: So why did you sign up with the name: <english name>, and using all of his information?
(11:39:26 AM) CPATrendPhil: Social Security Number, website, address, etc.
(11:39:46 AM) fraudster: my friend
(11:39:57 AM) CPATrendPhil: Lol
(11:40:05 AM) CPATrendPhil: you're very bad at committing fraud.
(11:40:13 AM) CPATrendPhil: You need some lessons.
(11:40:17 AM) fraudster: why?
(11:40:33 AM) CPATrendPhil: because you're way too easy to spot.
(11:41:08 AM) fraudster: no
(11:41:13 AM) CPATrendPhil: yes.
(11:41:27 AM) fraudster: marketing campaigns:Email, PPC, Facebook
(11:41:35 AM) CPATrendPhil: you're being denied
(11:41:45 AM) CPATrendPhil: you can't sign up with somebody elses information
(11:41:46 AM) CPATrendPhil: that's illegal
(11:41:50 AM) CPATrendPhil: it's called fraud
(11:41:57 AM) CPATrendPhil: you just admitted to doing so..
(11:42:08 AM) fraudster: Unfortunately
(11:42:33 AM) CPATrendPhil: unfortunately you're the worst fraudster I've ever spoken to
(11:42:51 AM) CPATrendPhil: you're never supposed to give yourself away, come on man..
(11:43:00 AM) fraudster: u a bad manager
(11:43:19 AM) CPATrendPhil: You're the first person who's ever said that, so you must be right.
(11:43:33 AM) fraudster: Racial discrimination
(11:43:58 AM) CPATrendPhil: We discriminate against fraudulent affiliates. You just admitted to me that you signed up using fraudulent information, lol.
(11:45:09 AM) fraudster: I would like to Build a healthy relationship with your company. I am
interested in speaking with campaign management team or who handles
campaigns.

(11:45:31 AM) fraudster: but You do not trust me
(11:47:02 AM) CPATrendPhil: Of course I don't trust you. You signed up with a name, address, SSN, phone number, and website that is not yours. How could I trust you?
(11:47:35 AM) fraudster: Do not just saying that a person is a liar
(11:47:39 AM) fraudster: ok?
(11:47:51 AM) CPATrendPhil: What do you mean?
(11:49:02 AM) fraudster: your site to receive China affiliate ?
(11:49:39 AM) fraudster: I have my own two sites
(11:49:40 AM) CPATrendPhil: We accept Chinese affiliates who prove themselves to be legitimate affiliates. You broke the cardinal sin of signing up for affiliate networks.
(11:51:01 AM) fraudster: oh,Very bad thingsO:-)
(11:52:03 AM) fraudster: i work with CJ.com
(11:52:15 AM) CPATrendPhil: so does everybody
(11:52:20 AM) CPATrendPhil: continue working with them
(11:52:45 AM) fraudster: ok , i like them
(11:54:17 AM) CPATrendPhil: great
(11:56:24 AM) fraudster: I would like to Build a healthy relationship with your,,
(11:57:06 AM) CPATrendPhil: It's not happening. You already broke the trust barrier. We cannot work together, sorry.
(11:58:52 AM) fraudster: hehe
(12:00:03 PM) fraudster: Can give you 30% commission:-P
(12:00:37 PM) CPATrendPhil: Go hang out more at blackhatworld.
(12:01:58 PM) fraudster: You're funny
(12:02:08 PM) fraudster: bye
(12:02:10 PM) CPATrendPhil: bye
(12:02:14 PM) CPATrendPhil: thanks for playing

If anybody has spoken with me personally, you know that I typically speak much more professionally on AIM, but sometimes you get some of these guys who are blatantly fraudulent and you just gotta have a bit of fun with them too.

My favorite part is how he called me out for "racial discrimination" and followed it with "I would like to build a healthy relationship with your company."

Some of you may be able to appreciate this!
#caught #fraudster #funny #seconds
  • Profile picture of the author Doug Pretorius
    Thanks for the laugh, Phil I think that was my favorite part too...you're a racist, but I want to work with you anyway :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author COPEAC Stephen
      Thanks for the laugh Phil....have to say my favorite part:

      (11:35:58 AM) CPATrendPhil: Where did you sign up from?
      (11:36:32 AM) fraudster: Chinese students

      I'm curious to find out more about the protective measure you put in place for your network...maybe we can connect and share some ideas that'll strengthen both networks.



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    • Profile picture of the author andreblamads
      Wow,

      That was definitely comical.

      Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon@FluxAds
    Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil View Post

    (12:02:10 PM) CPATrendPhil: bye
    (12:02:14 PM) CPATrendPhil: thanks for playing
    Haha! Love it.

    He seemed legit to me. You should have approved him and set him up on weekly wires. No harm there, right? :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by Jon@FluxAds View Post

      Haha! Love it.

      He seemed legit to me. You should have approved him and set him up on weekly wires. No harm there, right? :p



      I'm not seeing any foul here. He seemed legit to me as well :p

      Ok, let me stop typing because my blood starts to boil when I think about these fraudsters. Grrrr

      Peace. Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    Haha! Well he kept insisting that he wanted to build a healthy relationship, maybe I should've asked him out to dinner .
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    Thanks for the laugh

    It's true that most networks reject the vast majority of applications from certain Asian countries, but what this guy did is not a good way to change it. He tries to cheat you and then tell you what he did without hesitation?

    IMO guys like this just make things even harder for honest Chinese affiliates...


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  • Profile picture of the author kerron.a
    LMAO!! Thanks Phil, you made my day with this one.

    We should have a thread dedicated to funnies like this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon@FluxAds
      Originally Posted by kerron.a View Post

      LMAO!! Thanks Phil, you made my day with this one.

      We should have a thread dedicated to funnies like this one.
      Just a thread? Should have it's own forum!

      I did a blog post over a year ago where I went through our network pub accounts and pulled out some fun names people had used on their applications:

      Gerald Ford - Our 38th President, although dead, apparently found some time to dabble in affiliate marketing.
      Randy Jones - Former San Diego Padres Cy Young winner.
      Willie Parker - Fast Willie Parker from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
      Jerry Garcia - The Grateful Dead band member and inspiration for the delicious Cherry Garcia ice cream, which can be found at your local Ben & Jerry's.
      David Robinson - "The Admiral". Former center for the San Antonio Spurs...not likely that the guy needs to dive into affiliate marketing to earn a few extra bucks.
      Robert Duval - Must have gotten bored of being a famous actor and decided to run some email submits.
      Phil Jackson - He's already won several NBA championships and really can't achieve much more in basketball, so looks like he wanted to dominate some biz-op campaigns as well.
      Benjamin Franklin - He must have figured out how to get electricity in the afterlife.
      Jimmy Carter - Yet another former US President (39th)
      Lisa Simpson - I would have preferred Homer.
      Phil Collins - He can feel pop ups coming in the air tonight...
      Arizona River - Not really a famous person but rather a body of water looking to go with the flow of PPC marketing.
      James Bond - Bond...James Bond...
      Chad Johnson - The infamous wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals...now legally referred to as Chad Ocho-Cinco.
      Harold Kumar - On their search for White Castle, they stumbled upon FluxAds.
      Barry Sanders - Former Detroit Lions great running back.
      John Stamos - Looks like Uncle Jesse got tired of living with his brother-in-law and his three daughters and wanted to make some commission.
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      • Profile picture of the author Phobos
        Originally Posted by Jon@FluxAds View Post

        Just a thread? Should have it's own forum!

        I did a blog post over a year ago where I went through our network pub accounts and pulled out some fun names people had used on their applications:

        James Bond - Bond...James Bond...
        Ahahahah James Bond... you gotta be kidding me. This is the funniest thread on WF. Affiliate managers, network owners.... please don't let this thread die, it's just too funny.
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    Seems like he was knowledgeable. Why didn't you give him a chance? lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      You were mean.

      I mean, the guy obviously had worked hard to develop a few good lines to impress you - and then you asked questions out of order. Amazing how popular the "racial discrimination" card is, isn't it? Looks like after throwing that one out he started at the top of his "list of things to say" again.

      Poor guy probably rang up his chinese students and complained "it not work".

      Sometimes you just gotta play with them a bit. But remember - do not call a liar a liar....is not good when cj affiliate he is being.

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      • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        You were mean.

        I mean, the guy obviously had worked hard to develop a few good lines to impress you - and then you asked questions out of order. Amazing how popular the "racial discrimination" card is, isn't it? Looks like after throwing that one out he started at the top of his "list of things to say" again.

        Poor guy probably rang up his chinese students and complained "it not work".

        Sometimes you just gotta play with them a bit. But remember - do not call a liar a liar....is not good when cj affiliate he is being.

        kay
        Haha! I thoroughly enjoyed this comment .
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        • Profile picture of the author JamesCpaWay
          We had Barack Obama register as an affiliate a few months ago, even had the correct 1600 Pennsylvania ave.

          I even attempted to call him
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  • Profile picture of the author KC-Coop
    I've been running into plenty of these on AIM lately.

    My favorite part is when they sign up with all American details and then reach out to me on AIM speaking completely broken English.

    They do my job for me - I don't even have to reach out to them LOL.
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    LOL!! Can I play tooo...plss...just once...
    I pay you 99% of my commissionsss
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    HAHAHAHA Easily one of the funniest posts I've read on here. I'm actually laughing in my chair right now as I type this.

    (11:40:05 AM) CPATrendPhil: you're very bad at committing fraud.
    (11:40:13 AM) CPATrendPhil: You need some lessons.
    (11:40:17 AM) fraudster: why?
    (11:40:33 AM) CPATrendPhil: because you're way too easy to spot.
    (11:41:08 AM) fraudster: no
    (11:41:13 AM) CPATrendPhil: yes.
    (11:41:27 AM) fraudster: marketing campaigns:Email, PPC, Facebook

    He is actually a great fraudster. See how quickly he changes the subject! haha
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    I actually really enjoyed this myself:

    (11:40:33 AM) CPATrendPhil: because you're way too easy to spot.
    (11:41:08 AM) fraudster: no

    I've got logs of other conversations with fraudulent affiliates, I'll definitely find some more and post them, as well as post anything that comes up in the future. We can certainly keep this thread going, and I suggest other aff. managers and network owners continue posting some of their stuff as well. But lets try to keep it classy. I've seen some things on youtube where networks are being very rude to fraudulent affiliates, I wont name names, but very unprofessional. Just nice to have some fun every once and a while .
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    Haha that's funny man,
    good job on playing with him!
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    Okay, let me keep this thread rolling:

    (10:59:38 PM) fraudster2: hellow
    (11:00:28 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: hi
    (11:00:29 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: how are you
    (11:01:22 PM) fraudster2: Thank you! My account audit adopted?
    (11:04:25 PM) fraudster2: My website is: <url>
    (11:06:17 PM) fraudster2: Questions?
    (11:07:25 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: not sure what you're asking
    (11:10:40 PM) fraudster2: Please wait
    (11:10:44 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: ?
    (11:12:43 PM) fraudster2: I look at my username, I applied last week your ad network, you also let me upload the file, verify the site's copyright.
    (11:14:45 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: are you trying to translate into english?
    (11:22:31 PM) fraudster2: Sorry, I can not remember the name of your Affilate, can you tell me? Thank you!
    (11:22:38 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: ?
    (11:23:47 PM) fraudster2: Tell me Affiliate website
    (11:24:09 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: are you asking me what site I'm from, after you IM'ed me?
    (11:24:50 PM) fraudster2: Yes
    (11:24:57 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: its in my screenname..
    (11:29:20 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: whats your full name?
    (11:31:08 PM) cool: <insert fake full name here>
    (11:31:37 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: hmm, we already spoke.
    (11:31:48 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: you work in oregon but live in new york, is that correct?
    (11:35:18 PM) fraudster2: yes
    (11:35:32 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: you realize that I know you're a fraudulent affiliate right?
    (11:35:35 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: I'm just having some fun with you
    (11:35:38 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: because I knew it for weeks
    (11:38:00 PM) fraudster2: I'm sorry, in fact I am sincerely cooperate with you, I only effort, the other I do not care
    (11:38:37 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: I can't understand you at all <name>, I also know that you're using a terrible translator to speak to me
    (11:38:41 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: you're doing a terrible job
    (11:38:45 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: find another company to try to scam
    (11:40:51 PM) fraudster2: No, I do not do things like that
    (11:43:38 PM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: oh ok
    (11:44:36 PM) fraudster2: I sure hope you can help me, thank you
    (12:00:13 AM) fraudster2: I hope you so much for pointing my shortcomings, thank you!
    (12:00:22 AM) CpatrendPhil@hotmail.com: i don't know what that means.

    Enjoy . Will look for some more!
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    Here's another, this is one of my favorites just because of how ridiculous it is lol:

    (11:38:33 PM) fraudster 3: hello. this is jeff. I just wonder how my application's going? I haven't received an e-mail and it's been more than one day.
    (11:48:59 PM) cpatrendphil: Hey, isn't your name Alan? Your account has unfortunately been denied, sorry to inform you of that.
    (11:50:31 PM) fraudster 3: ok
    (11:50:34 PM) fraudster 3: thanks anyway
    (11:50:43 PM) fraudster 3: actually, Jeff is my nickname
    (11:50:47 PM) cpatrendphil: Sorry man. Best of luck elsewhere.
    (11:50:53 PM) fraudster 3: ok

    Who knew that Jeff was short for Alan?
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    • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
      ROTFLMFAO!

      James Bond or Ben Franklin??

      Thanks for the good laugh guys. You can't tell me these guys are that completely ignorant!
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      • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
        Where did you sign up from?

        CHINESE STUDENTS

        bahhahahahaha :p
        that made me laugh hysterically
        there are so many phony affiliates ahhhh
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    • Profile picture of the author MightyWarrior
      Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil View Post

      Here's another, this is one of my favorites just because of how ridiculous it is lol:

      (11:38:33 PM) fraudster 3: hello. this is jeff. I just wonder how my application's going? I haven't received an e-mail and it's been more than one day.
      (11:48:59 PM) cpatrendphil: Hey, isn't your name Alan? Your account has unfortunately been denied, sorry to inform you of that.
      (11:50:31 PM) fraudster 3: ok
      (11:50:34 PM) fraudster 3: thanks anyway
      (11:50:43 PM) fraudster 3: actually, Jeff is my nickname
      (11:50:47 PM) cpatrendphil: Sorry man. Best of luck elsewhere.
      (11:50:53 PM) fraudster 3: ok

      Who knew that Jeff was short for Alan?

      Well, what you didn't say is if you had his middle name or initial.
      A lot of people (for reasons I don't know) like to use their middle
      name instead of their first name... although, I mostly agree with
      the concept that if someone is using their middle name or another
      name that is totally different, that

      --they are probably hiding something.


      And, by the way... I don't see the point of this thread --

      To some it is funny? perhaps... kinda' boring if you ask me;
      and first off, from a business standpoint, a total waste of
      time on many counts...

      1. The original application review
      2. Getting back to the person
      3. Reposting the conversation
      4. Airing this in this forum
      5. Me reading this
      6. And responding


      I would be more interested in hearing what you are really
      looking for and get some sort of education through the
      whole read (I skim fast, of course -- rather than
      knowing that there are people that are really so
      desperate that they revert to making up fake
      names, ssns, etc. just to make a buck.

      Anyway, I am signed up with a number of CPA companies,
      but this kind of posting doesn't add 1 ounce of credibility
      to you as a business owner -- my 2 cents.


      I am not trying to belittle anyone --
      but I KNOW FOR A FACT that you can
      do much better, and can, for sure, provide
      something valuable to us with your extra time...


      You could have a lot more WF CPA affiliates
      IF you would provide free incentives to join
      you, however, I didn't see an invitation.

      Some of the best are here on Warrior Forum.


      -Later... hope things will work out better
      for you soon so that you are too busy to
      post stuff like this in the future
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      • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
        Hey MightyWarrior,

        Thanks for your post. I understand where you're coming from, but allow me to respond:

        The reason of this post was to shed some light and have a little bit of fun in an industry which often times can be looked at as purely business/money. It often neglects things other than simply making money, but I like to remind myself that I'm a human, and as a human, I have feelings, emotions, etc. One being humor, which this thread is simply for.

        As for me not being a credible business owner, I think it's a shame that you feel that way. I don't understand how you could take a simple post like this as a representation of the company I represent. In fact, if you read reviews of CPATrend, you (and others) I'm sure will change your opinion about our network.

        This is one of the only posts that I've made in the WF that was generally not helpful or serious, feel free to read up on my other posts. Those people who have worked with me know that I mean business, and I know the industry, and have a very good sense of what it takes to run an affiliate network. Additionally, I don't feel that I have to provide incentives for people to join my network. Our offers are up in various places, and we provide our affiliates with a great experience in working with a CPA network. That should be incentive enough for a serious affiliate marketer, who is looking for good offers, good payouts, and good support. I'm not here to simply advertise my network, I'm here to become a part of a great community.

        So anyway, I hope you can reevaluate your judgment of me as a person/business owner and see that underneath what I do for a living lays a person just like anybody else. Even billionaire corporate executives have senses of humor.

        Originally Posted by MightyWarrior View Post

        Well, what you didn't say is if you had his middle name or initial.
        A lot of people (for reasons I don't know) like to use their middle
        name instead of their first name... although, I mostly agree with
        the concept that if someone is using their middle name or another
        name that is totally different, that

        --they are probably hiding something.


        And, by the way... I don't see the point of this thread --

        To some it is funny? perhaps... kinda' boring if you ask me;
        and first off, from a business standpoint, a total waste of
        time on many counts...

        1. The original application review
        2. Getting back to the person
        3. Reposting the conversation
        4. Airing this in this forum
        5. Me reading this
        6. And responding


        I would be more interested in hearing what you are really
        looking for and get some sort of education through the
        whole read (I skim fast, of course -- rather than
        knowing that there are people that are really so
        desperate that they revert to making up fake
        names, ssns, etc. just to make a buck.

        Anyway, I am signed up with a number of CPA companies,
        but this kind of posting doesn't add 1 ounce of credibility
        to you as a business owner -- my 2 cents.


        I am not trying to belittle anyone --
        but I KNOW FOR A FACT that you can
        do much better, and can, for sure, provide
        something valuable to us with your extra time...


        You could have a lot more WF CPA affiliates
        IF you would provide free incentives to join
        you, however, I didn't see an invitation.

        Some of the best are here on Warrior Forum.


        -Later... hope things will work out better
        for you soon so that you are too busy to
        post stuff like this in the future
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  • Profile picture of the author BayAreaSteve
    I bet you were waiting to hear:

    (11:56:24 AM) fraudster: I would like to Build a healthy relationship, me love you long time.... ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
      Originally Posted by BayAreaSteve View Post

      I bet you were waiting to hear:

      (11:56:24 AM) fraudster: I would like to Build a healthy relationship, me love you long time.... ;-)
      Hahaha, I'm surprised I didn't! I would've approved him immediately if I did.
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    (11:43:00 AM) fraudster: u a bad manager
    :-D my favorite line.
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    omg! Tooo phunny! My stomach hurt bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author tofiq
    Hey I know, your trying to keep the thread rolling.
    I love it , just bookmarked this ! thanks man
    Just wanted to ask, isn't it a bit hard to replace name in everyline from log ?

    A suggestion,ask a 4th grade Riddle, on the chat.
    It will help you keep these trolls low!
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    Some of those guys couldn't play dead in an old John Wayne movie!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    If you write a WSO filled with conversations from fraudsters, I'd be your first buyer!

    Translators are sooo bad sometimes its ridiculously funny.


    Here's a question...has anybody ever applied with the word fraud or fraudster as their name? That would be hilarious

    ~ken
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    • Profile picture of the author Phobos
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post


      Here's a question...has anybody ever applied with the word fraud or fraudster as their name? That would be hilarious

      ~ken
      I think applying as Bernie Madoff would get you approved any day of the week (Charles Ponzi might also be a good option but I'm not sure:p).
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    • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      If you write a WSO filled with conversations from fraudsters, I'd be your first buyer!

      Translators are sooo bad sometimes its ridiculously funny.


      Here's a question...has anybody ever applied with the word fraud or fraudster as their name? That would be hilarious

      ~ken
      I could already fill a book with some of the things people say to me lol. Normally I just keep this stuff to myself, but I'm glad this thread is a hit. Now I have a place to post this stuff as it comes up .
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    LOL! Oooh man, can't read this post in a library. You'll get kicked out of the library, which almost happened to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
      Fraudsters, yes even fraudsters have a reason for being....well, frauds I guess. (as long as they get caught, that is) Had it not been for this guy I never would have found this wonderful collection of CPA Network Signatures all-in-one-place.

      I have a 19 and a 23 year old, one 1st year and 4th college and for the life of me I can't figure out why they don't show more interest in supplement their incomes. I'm sure if they found something they like to to, that would change.

      My question: Would my 23 year old's blog, AudioVerdict.com get approved? Is there anything that needs changing for these offers? I know very little about CPA offers but I've heard they are all the rage if you can get approved and know how to drive targeted traffic.

      Also, if I ask a question on a WSO from last January will I get in trouble? I did that once and got banned for 3 days for bringing up - bumping an old WSO which at the time, I didn't even know what bumping or WSO was or bother to check the dates. What's the deal with that?

      I don't mean to go off in another direction, so if this is in the wrong thread, let me know and I'll move it. Thanks, Leah
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  • Profile picture of the author Blade Runner 77
    lol, too funny. Thanks for the insight about what crosses your desk, I won't worry so much about my own applications in future, lol, still laughing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jetmir
    Thank for posting this, and nice job you caught him, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCPABounty
    (11:50:43 PM) fraudster 3: actually, Jeff is my nickname
    Jeff is short for Alan, what the hell? IMAO!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Q
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    Good job mate!

    At least the fraudster will never attempt to abuse your affiliate network. I really hate fraud-type affiliates that abuse or violate the TOS of the affiliate or CPA program. No matter what tactics they have, they will always lose. Professional affiliate and CPA programs are too smart to investigate and with common sense too.

    Heads up for that!
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    Lol thanks everybody. In this scenario, this was one of the easiest people to catch. Anybody in my position would've seen this from talking to the guy for a minute. It's the more intelligent, proper-english-speaking fraudsters that are harder to catch. That's what takes the real investigation (stuff that wouldn't be posted here because it's not nearly as funny).

    I know there's a lot of network owners/affiliate managers here, if anybody else has any funny conversations like this, lets keep the thread rolling! In a relatively serious business, it's nice to be able to have some fun as well!
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  • Profile picture of the author tofiq
    Hey yeah, anybody else has logs post it here .
    By the way, I hate these fraudsters too.
    I know how bad it feels to advertisers, I had once advertised my business.
    Now i think, if I had gotten fraudulent leads or so...
    What would have been goin in my mind then?...

    I really tell other fellow im'ers.
    try putting yourself in the advertiser's shoe.

    Phil, next time I advertise on cpa.
    Imma try your network .
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by tofiq View Post

      Hey yeah, anybody else has logs post it here .
      By the way, I hate these fraudsters too.
      I know how bad it feels to advertisers, I had once advertised my business.
      Now i think, if I had gotten fraudulent leads or so...
      What would have been goin in my mind then?...

      I really tell other fellow im'ers.
      try putting yourself in the advertiser's shoe.

      Phil, next time I advertise on cpa.
      Imma try your network .



      I absolutely agree.


      One of my biggest passions is entepreneurship and one thing I have noticed is that the most successful of businesses are those that work at all levels of the value chain. To make a business work, vendors, customers, clients, distributors, suppliers, merchants, advertisers, everybody in the value chain need to be better off because of working with that business.

      In the case of CPA, the business model as a whole works extremely well when things are done right. Affiliates use their set up skills to get good leads and make good money from selling these leads to the merchants who make good money by monetizing these leads. The networks make good money by coordinating the efforts to maximize the potential of the affiliates and the merchants. Everybody has a role and everybody makes out at the end of the day if things are done right.

      When these fraudsters step into the picture, it messes with the harmony and equilibrium of the relationships in the value chain. Merchant dont get value from bad or fake leads and dont want to pay the networks who dont want to pay the affiliates. Overall, nobody makes out, except in the chance that the fraudster doesnt get caught (this time around).


      Its also important to remember that advertisers and networks can also lead to the collapse of the value chain as well if they are doing sketchy and unethical things that dont provide value. Its not always at the affiliate end where the breakdown in the chain occurs. Just something to think about

      ~ken
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    Thanks tofiq, the beauty of working with a quality affiliate network is that generally speaking, they weed out a heavy majority of fraudulent or unqualified leads.

    Here's a bit more to keep the thread rolling:

    (11:40:34 PM) CPATrendPhil: Hmm, I'm taking a look at your account and it appears that your signup location is different from your home address.
    (11:40:40 PM) CPATrendPhil: Do you have an explanation for this?
    (11:40:52 PM) fraudster: ?
    (11:42:20 PM) CPATrendPhil: You signed up from China, yet you claim that you live in Florida.
    (11:45:36 PM) CPATrendPhil: Are you there?
    (12:02:10 AM) fraudster: Yes Im from China
    (12:02:30 AM) CPATrendPhil: So why did you sign up claiming you're from Florida in the US?
    (12:03:13 AM) fraudster: I thought you not accept International people
    (12:03:20 AM) fraudster: so I use a US info
    (12:03:23 AM) fraudster: :-)
    (12:03:23 AM) CPATrendPhil: You have all fraudulent information.
    (12:03:54 AM) CPATrendPhil: I'm going to go ahead and reject your account now, sorry.
    (12:04:02 AM) fraudster: k


    My favorite part of this one is that after telling me he's committing fraud, he gave the cute smiley face, which almost made me approve him! :p -- Also check out the timestamps! lol
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    • Profile picture of the author henrycpapro
      Another funny story from me just an hour ago:

      A man apply to our network, his IP is 123.162.129.248 and his address is:
      xxx coluso RANCHO SANTA, MARGARITA, CA, US 92688

      I test his sign up location and found out it is in China. I phoned him to interview (just 4 fun cos I know it is about 95% fraud) & see the phone switch to voice mail immediately.

      We do interview all affiliates so any affiliate with non existing phone will be considered as fraud and got rejected.

      I post an image, just for illustration. All privacy reserved, affiliates private information will not be shared in any case.

      fraudster pic


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    Funniest thread I have read in a long time!
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    Great catch i appreciate you heads up
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  • Profile picture of the author mikekimm
    90% of the people applying to CPA networks are fraud. That is a fact.

    Rainbow Blvd, PO box's in NYC, Oakland CA and many other areas are the addresses these guys use.

    A good portion of that 90% are applying with the intentions of using stolen CC's to buy products through CPA links to get the commission. By the time the network or advertiser catch on its usually to late.
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    • Profile picture of the author tobiasosllc
      Originally Posted by mikekimm View Post

      90% of the people applying to CPA networks are fraud. That is a fact.

      Rainbow Blvd, PO box's in NYC, Oakland CA and many other areas are the addresses these guys use.

      A good portion of that 90% are applying with the intentions of using stolen CC's to buy products through CPA links to get the commission. By the time the network or advertiser catch on its usually to late.
      Where on earth did you get that ridiculous "fact?"
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      • Profile picture of the author lina75
        This is pretty scary, then how about those that succeeded in gaining entry, I bet many did and that's why the news are spreading in their community and many are trying their luck to get in as its easy money providing rubbish leads.

        I guess that's the reason why scrubbing is so rampant now, I just hope all the networks take some measure to really curb these as this will have a detrimental effect in the long run especially for those honest affiliates who works their ass off.
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    • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
      Originally Posted by mikekimm View Post

      90% of the people applying to CPA networks are fraud. That is a fact.

      Rainbow Blvd, PO box's in NYC, Oakland CA and many other areas are the addresses these guys use.

      A good portion of that 90% are applying with the intentions of using stolen CC's to buy products through CPA links to get the commission. By the time the network or advertiser catch on its usually to late.
      Honestly, that sounds like way too much work for way too little pay. To make it worth it they would have to use ( at least ) 1,000 different credit cards with each offer paying $30, and they would have to buy from 1,000 different IP addresses. Then all the leads would have to be verified, I think they would catch on pretty quickly.

      I don't think 90% of everyone that applies is a fraud, that's an awfully high number.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    I would actually agree that the percentage of affiliates that are fraudulent is extremely high. The exact percentage doesn't really matter, but the heavy majority of affiliate applicants are fraudulent in one way or another.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil View Post

      I would actually agree that the percentage of affiliates that are fraudulent is extremely high. The exact percentage doesn't really matter, but the heavy majority of affiliate applicants are fraudulent in one way or another.

      Really!!

      I heard that a lot of applicants are fraud, but I had no idea it was anywhere near the majority.

      Would be interested to hear if its the majority at other networks as well :confused:


      ~ken
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    It also depends what you define fraud as. I start with any false information on applications and consider that fraud, especially when it's somebody submitting somebody elses information. We're very strict on approvals, so we don't see much of the negative repercussions of allowing fraudulent affiliates into the network. But we certainly reject a higher percentage of accounts than we approve.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    Most of them aren't as stupid as the ones that I posted here. The guys who speak English well and have a general understanding of the affiliate marketing industry are the more challenging ones to catch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil View Post

      Most of them aren't as stupid as the ones that I posted here. The guys who speak English well and have a general understanding of the affiliate marketing industry are the more challenging ones to catch.

      Grrrr...I just dont understand why the smart ones dont just stick with whitehat strategies. Long term, sustainable, ethical, lucrative...why not go down the white path?


      Glad to see networks taking precationary and preemptive actions to help combat that garbage!

      ~ken
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaleadtroy
    This is pretty funny and sad yet very sad at the same time, we also run into a lot of these guys. Some people are so stuck on doing fraud that they never take the time to think about how to earn money legitimately with affiliate marketing. Rather, they will waste their time signing up for multiple networks and crossing their fingers hoping they get accepted and paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author OrganicSeoGuru
    Now That's Just Classic....

    I hope you let the actual guy know his info has been phished and he should probably be calling equifax and such....
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    • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
      Originally Posted by OrganicSeoGuru View Post

      Now That's Just Classic....

      I hope you let the actual guy know his info has been phished and he should probably be calling equifax and such....
      The problem is, a lot of the 'actual guys' are hiring these fraudsters to sign up and get them approved. I'd say the majority. If you look around various forums, you'll constantly see people saying "Need CPA accounts, PM me" blah blah. I've infiltrated a bit, and every time it's somebody trying to buy accounts -- which is basically somebody buying access to another person's personal information so that they can sign up with it.

      That's why we take people signing up with IP addresses that do not match their location so seriously.

      Additionally, if somebody is dumb enough to give their SSN and all other private information to somebody who will be committing fraud, they deserve their identification to be stolen.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenster
        Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil View Post

        The problem is, a lot of the 'actual guys' are hiring these fraudsters to sign up and get them approved. I'd say the majority. If you look around various forums, you'll constantly see people saying "Need CPA accounts, PM me" blah blah. I've infiltrated a bit, and every time it's somebody trying to buy accounts -- which is basically somebody buying access to another person's personal information so that they can sign up with it.

        That's why we take people signing up with IP addresses that do not match their location so seriously.

        Additionally, if somebody is dumb enough to give their SSN and all other private information to somebody who will be committing fraud, they deserve their identification to be stolen.
        Thats the part I find so amazing. Normally to apply you must enter all kinds of personal information including, but not limited to your SSN. Why would anybody hand this info over to a third party who is presumably going to do sketchy things and thats why they didnt want or couldnt sign up themselves. Just doesnt make sense.

        Then again, lots of people do stupid things in the name of earning a buck. Its unfortunate that these people (presumably these people need the money bad) are the ones that get burned.
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  • Profile picture of the author fairlights
    Anyone who was smart enough to earn money online, wouldn't be doing fraud in the first place. Great job getting rid of the trash.
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  • Profile picture of the author shoeb000
    First of all, I dont understand why people go for providing wrong information. If they are from china or somewhere else, they can still get approved and accepted if they are having some real plans for promotion of offers.
    In some places, i do have seen people asking questions like, "I have been accepted in xxxxxxxxxxx CPA network, Please tell me how to make money?"
    I wonder how they got accepted?

    But after reading this entertaining thread, i came to know the real story of hard working CPA owners and their security as well as those idiot fraudsters who just read 4 lines and mug up answers to those question, and try to get accepted in the CPA network.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Or perhaps they provide wrong information because they have already been banned or that identity is already known amongst network owners (they share info). The only way to get around is to essentially come up with a new identity or pay somebody else to use theirs.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    You tend to hit the nail on the head don't you Ken?

    There are tons of specific black hat marketers who are capable of producing fraudulent leads quite easily. However, they were terminated from each network that they worked with (generally speaking), and therefore look for other people who have or can get accounts for them to work under (each account requires a specific tax ID for US citizens). They offer a percentage of their generated revenue for these accounts.

    Also, they ALWAYS keep the monthly revenue at a relatively stable amount, something that shouldn't catch the eye of an AM who isn't very active in watching the traffic of their affiliates.

    However, it's always peculiar for somebody to earn the same amount every month, and never try to vamp up their traffic, so I tend to keep my eye on accounts like this (then again, I keep my eye on everything.. obsessively lol)

    I don't want to give out too many details, but these seem pretty obvious to me, and you see this garbage happen ALL over the net relatively publicly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Lange
    That's would make a good comedy reality show skit for "Punked" or something like that!

    Hilarious!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Marksv
    Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil View Post

    (11:43:00 AM) fraudster: u a bad manager
    (11:43:19 AM) CPATrendPhil: You're the first person who's ever said that, so you must be right.
    (11:43:33 AM) fraudster: Racial discrimination
    HAHAHHAHA 'Racial discrimination' LOL
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    Another guy signed up today with fraudulent information, here we go:

    (1:50:44 PM) Fraudster6: Hey. Manager
    (1:50:58 PM) Fraudster6: how are you? Do you have time right now?
    (1:51:04 PM) CPATrendPhil: Hello, yes I do, how can I help you?
    (1:51:32 PM) Fraudster6: I know your company through the digitalpoint
    (1:51:53 PM) Fraudster6: I have to submit applications. ;-)
    (1:52:50 PM) CPATrendPhil: Okay, have you already submitted an application, or will you be doing so soon?
    (1:53:52 PM) Fraudster6: nope . wait me ;-)
    (1:55:27 PM) CPATrendPhil: okay make sure you sign up with accurate information!
    (1:57:06 PM) Fraudster6: okay
    (2:03:57 PM) Fraudster6: I have signing up ;-)
    (2:04:12 PM) Fraudster6: my email is <insert email here>
    (2:07:01 PM) Fraudster6: Manager u here?;-)
    (2:07:53 PM) CPATrendPhil: Yes, just taking a look, one minute.
    (2:08:13 PM) Fraudster6: okay
    (2:16:38 PM) CPATrendPhil: have you ever signed up before?
    (2:17:47 PM) Fraudster6: nope Manager
    (2:18:26 PM) CPATrendPhil: You sure about that?
    (2:18:45 PM) Fraudster6: yep
    (2:19:00 PM) CPATrendPhil: Okay, because there's another application with the same exact address.
    (2:19:44 PM) Fraudster6: O:-)
    (2:19:55 PM) CPATrendPhil: I don't know what that means
    (2:21:42 PM) Fraudster6: What's his name?Manager
    (2:21:50 PM) CPATrendPhil: I can't provide you with that information.
    (2:24:16 PM) Fraudster6: I can't join?
    (2:29:38 PM) Fraudster6: u here? Manager
    (2:33:47 PM) CPATrendPhil: Unfortunately anytime there is duplicate information like this, especially with addresses, we cannot approve the accounts. Unless of course you can provide me with your state issued ID which proves this.
    (2:51:14 PM) CPATrendPhil: Are you able to provide a photo of your license?
    (2:52:43 PM) Fraudster6: temporary Unable to provide.Manager
    (2:53:20 PM) CPATrendPhil: okay then
    (2:53:58 PM) Fraudster6: but I really hope to join
    (2:54:13 PM) Fraudster6: Help me Manager
    (2:55:16 PM) CPATrendPhil: I can't help you if you can't provide proof that you are who you say you are, because of the duplicate information.
    (2:55:30 PM) CPATrendPhil: If you can scan your ID and send it over to me, I have no problem helping you.
    (2:56:58 PM) Fraudster6: Okay
    (3:04:17 PM) Fraudster6: Do you offer weekly payments? Manager
    (3:04:31 PM) CPATrendPhil: for affiliates who are generating $1,000+ per week, yes.
    (3:05:47 PM) Fraudster6: can payment for paypal?
    (3:05:56 PM) CPATrendPhil: yep
    (3:06:37 PM) Fraudster6: Please believe me . Manager
    (3:06:53 PM) CPATrendPhil: That's not how this business works.
    (3:07:00 PM) CPATrendPhil: You can provide proof, or not, it's your choice.
    (3:07:05 PM) CPATrendPhil: If you can't than why should I choose to believe you?
    (3:08:03 PM) Fraudster6: I'll use good performance, prove myself\
    (3:08:22 PM) Fraudster6: honestly, my website does not generate much traffic.
    (3:08:23 PM) CPATrendPhil: why can't you just scan your ID and i'll be able to believe you from there..
    (3:08:35 PM) Fraudster6: I am really good at PPC and media buys
    (3:08:55 PM) CPATrendPhil: all of the information you're providing to me is meaningless if you aren't able to prove you are who you say you are.
    (3:09:02 PM) CPATrendPhil: your identity is all I'm concerned with right now
    (3:09:12 PM) CPATrendPhil: after that's sorted out, then the other information is important
    (3:10:11 PM) Fraudster6: You will regret.Manager
    (3:10:20 PM) CPATrendPhil: Why?
    (3:10:30 PM) Fraudster6: You will lose a good member
    (3:11:27 PM) CPATrendPhil: i'd love to have you on board, but need to see your ID first
    (3:11:31 PM) CPATrendPhil: why is this a problem?
    (3:12:32 PM) Fraudster6: I have no copier.
    (3:15:09 PM) Fraudster6: I hope approve my application at your earliest convenience.
    (3:21:04 PM) Fraudster6: Okay,honestly, This is my friend's address
    (3:21:14 PM) Fraudster6: I come from Canada
    (3:22:26 PM) Fraudster6: Can you give me another chance? Manager
    (3:23:12 PM) Fraudster6: I think I am sincere. Manager :-\
    (3:25:26 PM) Fraudster6: u here? Manager
    (3:25:35 PM) CPATrendPhil: I'm on the phone, hold on a minute.
    (3:25:55 PM) Fraudster6: Okay
    (3:28:35 PM) CPATrendPhil: No I can't give you another chance. That's not how this industry works. If you lie on an application, that's a fraudulent application. We always work with Canadian affiliates, I can't imagine why you would lie on your application.
    (3:29:44 PM) Fraudster6: I was very sad . Manager :'(
    (3:30:39 PM) Fraudster6: I hate fraud like you. Sometimes i was promoting a offer and like have some good profits, the offer pulled by networks suddenly.
    (3:31:04 PM) CPATrendPhil: sure.. we're fraudulent because we wont accept your fraudulent application. I appreciate your logic.
    (3:31:57 PM) Fraudster6: I can be signing up again ?
    (3:32:08 PM) CPATrendPhil: no.
    (3:32:58 PM) Fraudster6: i hope you give me another chance
    (3:33:15 PM) CPATrendPhil: i'm not going to, sorry
    (3:33:46 PM) Fraudster6: I hate you :'( bye
    (3:33:57 PM) CPATrendPhil: ok, sorry you feel that way. Bye
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      Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil View Post

      Another guy signed up today with fraudulent information, here we go:

      (1:50:44 PM) Fraudster6: Hey. Manager
      (1:50:58 PM) Fraudster6: how are you? Do you have time right now?
      (1:51:04 PM) CPATrendPhil: Hello, yes I do, how can I help you?
      (1:51:32 PM) Fraudster6: I know your company through the digitalpoint
      (1:51:53 PM) Fraudster6: I have to submit applications. ;-)
      (1:52:50 PM) CPATrendPhil: Okay, have you already submitted an application, or will you be doing so soon?
      (1:53:52 PM) Fraudster6: nope . wait me ;-)
      (1:55:27 PM) CPATrendPhil: okay make sure you sign up with accurate information!
      (1:57:06 PM) Fraudster6: okay
      (2:03:57 PM) Fraudster6: I have signing up ;-)
      (2:04:12 PM) Fraudster6: my email is <insert email here>
      (2:07:01 PM) Fraudster6: Manager u here?;-)
      (2:07:53 PM) CPATrendPhil: Yes, just taking a look, one minute.
      (2:08:13 PM) Fraudster6: okay
      (2:16:38 PM) CPATrendPhil: have you ever signed up before?
      (2:17:47 PM) Fraudster6: nope Manager
      (2:18:26 PM) CPATrendPhil: You sure about that?
      (2:18:45 PM) Fraudster6: yep
      (2:19:00 PM) CPATrendPhil: Okay, because there's another application with the same exact address.
      (2:19:44 PM) Fraudster6: O:-)
      (2:19:55 PM) CPATrendPhil: I don't know what that means
      (2:21:42 PM) Fraudster6: What's his name?Manager
      (2:21:50 PM) CPATrendPhil: I can't provide you with that information.
      (2:24:16 PM) Fraudster6: I can't join?
      (2:29:38 PM) Fraudster6: u here? Manager
      (2:33:47 PM) CPATrendPhil: Unfortunately anytime there is duplicate information like this, especially with addresses, we cannot approve the accounts. Unless of course you can provide me with your state issued ID which proves this.
      (2:51:14 PM) CPATrendPhil: Are you able to provide a photo of your license?
      (2:52:43 PM) Fraudster6: temporary Unable to provide.Manager
      (2:53:20 PM) CPATrendPhil: okay then
      (2:53:58 PM) Fraudster6: but I really hope to join
      (2:54:13 PM) Fraudster6: Help me Manager
      (2:55:16 PM) CPATrendPhil: I can't help you if you can't provide proof that you are who you say you are, because of the duplicate information.
      (2:55:30 PM) CPATrendPhil: If you can scan your ID and send it over to me, I have no problem helping you.
      (2:56:58 PM) Fraudster6: Okay
      (3:04:17 PM) Fraudster6: Do you offer weekly payments? Manager
      (3:04:31 PM) CPATrendPhil: for affiliates who are generating $1,000+ per week, yes.
      (3:05:47 PM) Fraudster6: can payment for paypal?
      (3:05:56 PM) CPATrendPhil: yep
      (3:06:37 PM) Fraudster6: Please believe me . Manager
      (3:06:53 PM) CPATrendPhil: That's not how this business works.
      (3:07:00 PM) CPATrendPhil: You can provide proof, or not, it's your choice.
      (3:07:05 PM) CPATrendPhil: If you can't than why should I choose to believe you?
      (3:08:03 PM) Fraudster6: I'll use good performance, prove myself
      (3:08:22 PM) Fraudster6: honestly, my website does not generate much traffic.
      (3:08:23 PM) CPATrendPhil: why can't you just scan your ID and i'll be able to believe you from there..
      (3:08:35 PM) Fraudster6: I am really good at PPC and media buys
      (3:08:55 PM) CPATrendPhil: all of the information you're providing to me is meaningless if you aren't able to prove you are who you say you are.
      (3:09:02 PM) CPATrendPhil: your identity is all I'm concerned with right now
      (3:09:12 PM) CPATrendPhil: after that's sorted out, then the other information is important
      (3:10:11 PM) Fraudster6: You will regret.Manager
      (3:10:20 PM) CPATrendPhil: Why?
      (3:10:30 PM) Fraudster6: You will lose a good member
      (3:11:27 PM) CPATrendPhil: i'd love to have you on board, but need to see your ID first
      (3:11:31 PM) CPATrendPhil: why is this a problem?
      (3:12:32 PM) Fraudster6: I have no copier.
      (3:15:09 PM) Fraudster6: I hope approve my application at your earliest convenience.
      (3:21:04 PM) Fraudster6: Okay,honestly, This is my friend's address
      (3:21:14 PM) Fraudster6: I come from Canada
      (3:22:26 PM) Fraudster6: Can you give me another chance? Manager
      (3:23:12 PM) Fraudster6: I think I am sincere. Manager :-
      (3:25:26 PM) Fraudster6: u here? Manager
      (3:25:35 PM) CPATrendPhil: I'm on the phone, hold on a minute.
      (3:25:55 PM) Fraudster6: Okay
      (3:28:35 PM) CPATrendPhil: No I can't give you another chance. That's not how this industry works. If you lie on an application, that's a fraudulent application. We always work with Canadian affiliates, I can't imagine why you would lie on your application.
      (3:29:44 PM) Fraudster6: I was very sad . Manager :'(
      (3:30:39 PM) Fraudster6: I hate fraud like you. Sometimes i was promoting a offer and like have some good profits, the offer pulled by networks suddenly.
      (3:31:04 PM) CPATrendPhil: sure.. we're fraudulent because we wont accept your fraudulent application. I appreciate your logic.
      (3:31:57 PM) Fraudster6: I can be signing up again ?
      (3:32:08 PM) CPATrendPhil: no.
      (3:32:58 PM) Fraudster6: i hope you give me another chance
      (3:33:15 PM) CPATrendPhil: i'm not going to, sorry
      (3:33:46 PM) Fraudster6: I hate you :'( bye
      (3:33:57 PM) CPATrendPhil: ok, sorry you feel that way. Bye
      Totally epic! Way to go buddy, keep those fraudsters down and out! Keep em' coming!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    This is absolutely hilarious, Phil! You caught them red-handed, but you'd have done so anyway if you had called them on the phone. It'd have been even worse, because they probably wouldn't have understood much of what you said. It is great that the majority of the good CPA networks out there have a dedicated and committed fraud/compliance department that prevents these fraudsters from ever signing up on the networks - I know it'd reflect very badly on you if you were providing your advertisers with a ton of fraudulent leads. By having a vigilant compliance department, you greatly lessen the possibility of this happening.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    Hey Paulie, I'm glad you get the big picture of posts like this! Fraud is such an incredibly be 'popular' thing for people to do in the industry. You wouldn't believe the amount of applications we turn down and other networks turn down for fraudulent applications, and also occasionally the fraudulent traffic some publishers push. I have some pretty interesting ideas for the future of fraud protection that should be hitting the industry soon for cases like this . It's also great what most affiliates do not see behind the scenes. You'd be surprised with how friendly networks are with each other, and how happily willing to help they are when it comes to protecting the quality of the affiliates in circulation. Many companies check references, which I highly recommend.

    And also, there's a lot of times that I certainly could call, and usually do. However, there's some times that it would just be simple to ask on instant messengers. The reason being, I'll check an application, and ask preliminary questions (if I see an account that looks good but has some flags). Then if I'm satisfied, I'd move on with a phone interview. But I also don't sleep much! I'm online all day and night lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Phil, thanks for enlightening us a little more about what goes on in the minds of good affiliate managers! I had already known that many of the big networks share affiliate information with each other, so it's best not to get caught doing anything anything bad at the big networks because that could land you in big trouble with any other networks that you're in!

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't many of the big networks also use the same link tracking system that makes it extremely easy to identify the bad affiliates across the connected networks once you've spotted them?

    Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMarketingGuy
    Wow, and I thought being an affiliate manager was a boring as hell job!
    You should put one of those huge stadium scorers in your office and play the Baby Elephant Walk each time you get one of those fraudsters.

    Phil 156 - 2 Fraudsters
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffry.john
    Thanks for sharing, Phil!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    (3:33:46 PM) Fraudster6: I hate you :'( bye

    Oh, snap! He sure got you there

    Thanks for sharing and enlightening us all to the amount of crap you guys have to deal with. You must have the patience of a saint!
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    • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
      Originally Posted by Sarah Russell View Post

      (3:33:46 PM) Fraudster6: I hate you :'( bye

      Oh, snap! He sure got you there

      Thanks for sharing and enlightening us all to the amount of crap you guys have to deal with. You must have the patience of a saint!
      It's interesting you say that Sarah. I don't really think I have good patience. I'm extremely anal about lots of things. When it comes to stuff like payments, I'm always sending emails/making phone calls making sure payments will be on time, or I'm always anal with sending payments out as well. When it comes to fraud though, 9/10 times I'll simply reject an application. Every now and then though, I'll see a person's application that looks alright, but there might be one flag, which I like to quickly ask about. Most people that I ask quickly give themselves away to me, but others you gotta play around for a bit to get the info that you need. So in terms of fraud, I'm patient because I like to get as much info as possible to come to a conclusion. Also, the longer my conversation with the fraudsters are, the more quality material I can bring to this thread :p.
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    • Profile picture of the author bhoho
      Originally Posted by Sarah Russell View Post

      (3:33:46 PM) Fraudster6: I hate you :'( bye

      Oh, snap! He sure got you there

      Thanks for sharing and enlightening us all to the amount of crap you guys have to deal with. You must have the patience of a saint!
      crap ? erery one is not except you .
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  • Profile picture of the author Duce
    This post is so funny...and sad. Sad to the fact that there is so much fraud in the business. People don't realize but its much harder to come up with ways to fraud the system than there is coming up with ways to run a successful legitimate campaigns. Once you find what works then there is so many ways to ramp up and let it run. If you are trying to fraud the system whatever you're doing its not going to last and it will all come crashing down. Now you're going to have to try and come up with another way to cheat the system.
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  • Profile picture of the author bryce84
    Haha, that was great. Thanks for posting.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    Hey Sandy, feel free to contact me on AIM/MSN/Yahoo -- I don't mind discussing this at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    (10:55:58 AM) Fraudster7: Hi
    (11:07:19 AM) CPATrendPhil: hello, how are you?
    (11:07:43 AM) Fraudster7: Fine
    (11:08:14 AM) Fraudster7: I just joined your affiliate network,Phil
    (11:09:15 AM) CPATrendPhil: Yes I see your application
    (11:09:18 AM) CPATrendPhil: However
    (11:09:25 AM) CPATrendPhil: you signed up with a false address
    (11:10:15 AM) Fraudster7: wow,Impossible
    (11:10:23 AM) CPATrendPhil: What's impossible?
    (11:10:49 AM) Fraudster7: my address is true
    (11:11:03 AM) CPATrendPhil: What's your address?
    (11:12:19 AM) Fraudster7: wait a moment,please
    (11:12:24 AM) CPATrendPhil: lol..
    (11:12:32 AM) CPATrendPhil: why should I have to wait for you to simply type up your address?
    (11:12:38 AM) CPATrendPhil: I'm sure you have to look it up.
    (11:14:01 AM) Fraudster7: jesus
    (11:14:15 AM) CPATrendPhil: doesn't even know what your address is
    (11:14:43 AM) CPATrendPhil: I see here that you're really in China, posing as somebody in California. Why is this?
    (11:15:55 AM) Fraudster7: i don't know,god!!
    (11:16:29 AM) CPATrendPhil: Sure you do
    (11:17:28 AM) CPATrendPhil: May as well admit the truth and clear your conscience.
    (11:17:31 AM) Fraudster7: unbelievable
    (11:17:46 AM) CPATrendPhil: What is unbelievable?
    (11:19:18 AM) Fraudster7: Forget it
    (11:20:14 AM) CPATrendPhil: Okay, good luck trying to scam another network.
    (11:21:43 AM) Fraudster7: Thanks,but i never use any scam information.
    (11:22:13 AM) CPATrendPhil: Oh okay .
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    2 in one day! Fun stuff:

    (3:11:00 PM) Fraudster8: Hey.
    (3:11:04 PM) CPATrendPhil: Hello
    (3:11:06 PM) CPATrendPhil: How are you?
    (3:11:26 PM) Fraudster8: good:-)
    (3:11:41 PM) Fraudster8: I know your company through the DP
    (3:12:04 PM) CPATrendPhil: Cool, how can I help you?
    (3:12:33 PM) Fraudster8: i hope join in
    (3:13:39 PM) Fraudster8: Default is currently NET-15 ?
    (3:13:57 PM) CPATrendPhil: Yes, if you can produce $500+ per week, bi weekly, and if you can produce $1,000+ per week, weekly.
    (3:14:48 PM) Fraudster8: okey
    (3:15:13 PM) CPATrendPhil: Make sure when you sign up you sign up with completely accurate information
    (3:15:23 PM) CPATrendPhil: Otherwise, we just reject accounts with any false information.
    (3:16:18 PM) Fraudster8: can payment for paypal?
    (3:16:26 PM) CPATrendPhil: Yep.
    (3:16:29 PM) Fraudster8: I prefer paypal or bank wire. check is so slow, ha
    (3:16:36 PM) CPATrendPhil: Yep I understand, paypal or wire is fine.
    (3:16:42 PM) CPATrendPhil: Are you in the US?
    (3:16:47 PM) Fraudster8: yep
    (3:16:54 PM) CPATrendPhil: Cool, so we can do ACH payments.
    (3:17:03 PM) Fraudster8: okey
    (3:17:36 PM) CPATrendPhil: whats your DP username by the way? Maybe I've seen you around.
    (3:18:17 PM) Fraudster8: I rarely speak
    (3:18:31 PM) CPATrendPhil: It's cool, just curious for your username though
    (3:18:50 PM) Fraudster8: ;-)
    (3:19:00 PM) CPATrendPhil: Do you mind sharing it?
    (3:19:16 PM) Fraudster8: yep
    (3:19:21 PM) CPATrendPhil: Why?
    (3:28:01 PM) Fraudster8: I have just signed up to your network
    (3:28:12 PM) Fraudster8: my email is <email address>
    (3:28:34 PM) Fraudster8: can you check my status
    (3:33:02 PM) Fraudster8: You are checking?
    (3:33:15 PM) CPATrendPhil: On the phone, I'll be with you in about 15 minutes or so.
    (3:33:22 PM) Fraudster8: okey
    (3:44:46 PM) CPATrendPhil: Okay
    (3:44:58 PM) CPATrendPhil: I can already see an issue with your application.
    (3:45:13 PM) CPATrendPhil: Your IP address does not match the listed address.
    (3:45:15 PM) CPATrendPhil: Why is this?
    (3:45:15 PM) Fraudster8: okey
    (3:45:43 PM) Fraudster8: I work in GA
    (3:50:41 PM) CPATrendPhil: You're there for long periods of time?
    (3:53:03 PM) Fraudster8: 10:50
    (3:53:16 PM) CPATrendPhil: what does that mean?
    (3:54:04 PM) Fraudster8: CPATrendPhil 12:50 pm
    (12:50:39 PM): You're there for long periods of time?
    (3:54:07 PM) Fraudster8: YEP
    (3:54:13 PM) CPATrendPhil: I mean in georgia
    (3:54:29 PM) CPATrendPhil: Are you in georgia right now?
    (3:54:47 PM) Fraudster8: yep
    (3:55:44 PM) Fraudster8: I'm in CA now
    (3:56:19 PM) CPATrendPhil: ?
    (3:57:08 PM) CPATrendPhil: It's amazing that you can be in two places at once. Okay, in order to consider your account, you'll have to send me in your Georgia state ID.
    (3:58:14 PM) Fraudster8: Tomorrow ok?
    (3:58:28 PM) CPATrendPhil: Sure. Do you live in California?
    (3:58:49 PM) Fraudster8: yep
    (3:59:05 PM) CPATrendPhil: Okay, so if you could send me in a scan of both your ID's that'd be great.
    (3:59:13 PM) CPATrendPhil: You can email that over to Phil@CPATrend.com
    (3:59:33 PM) Fraudster8: I have two homes
    (3:59:45 PM) CPATrendPhil: Cool, you can verify that by showing me two ID's.
    (4:00:29 PM) Fraudster8: California id ok?
    (4:00:57 PM) CPATrendPhil: I'm more concerned with the Georgia one.
    (4:01:06 PM) CPATrendPhil: Because you signed up with a georgia address from california
    (4:01:10 PM) CPATrendPhil: Usually this is due to fraud
    (4:02:14 PM) Fraudster8: I have no fraud
    (4:02:34 PM) Fraudster8: plz believe me
    (4:02:35 PM) CPATrendPhil: Okay, so provide me with the evidence I require, and we'll be good to go.
    (4:02:43 PM) CPATrendPhil: Just send me your Georgia license.
    (4:02:46 PM) CPATrendPhil: Do you have a scanner?
    (4:02:52 PM) CPATrendPhil: it takes 2 minutes
    (4:03:24 PM) Fraudster8: sorry
    (4:03:32 PM) CPATrendPhil: About what?
    (4:03:47 PM) Fraudster8: nope
    (4:03:58 PM) CPATrendPhil: How about a camera?
    (4:04:20 PM) Fraudster8: yep
    (4:04:43 PM) CPATrendPhil: Okay, you can take a picture of it and upload it to the computer. Just make sure it's clear. Then you can email me the photo to Phil@CPATrend.com
    (4:06:18 PM) Fraudster8: you Promise my ID is safe?
    (4:06:46 PM) CPATrendPhil: Of course, you're just sending me your photo ID so that I can confirm the information on the application you gave was accurate.
    (4:08:09 PM) Fraudster8: I don't want to send my ID
    (4:09:01 PM) CPATrendPhil: Is it because you don't have one and the information you provided was fraudulent? I can't imagine why you would sign up with a Georgia address if you have an address in California and such.
    (4:10:14 PM) Fraudster8: i can sign up in California address
    (4:10:29 PM) CPATrendPhil: We don't allow multiple sign ups.
    (4:10:48 PM) CPATrendPhil: You get one shot. I mentioned to you in advance to make sure all of your information is accurate.
    (4:11:16 PM) CPATrendPhil: If you can't send me a photo of your Georgia ID, there's no way I can get you approved into the network, unfortunately.
    (4:12:13 PM) Fraudster8: You are mean
    (4:12:17 PM) Fraudster8: O:-)
    (4:16:00 PM) Fraudster8: plz Through the review OK?? i hope join in
    (4:16:12 PM) CPATrendPhil: No.
    (4:16:25 PM) CPATrendPhil: If you send in your Georgia state ID, I'm all for reviewing your application.
    (4:16:30 PM) CPATrendPhil: If you can't do this, there's no chance.
    (4:17:13 PM) Fraudster8: i don't have Georgia state ID
    (4:17:24 PM) CPATrendPhil: You said you did before
    (4:17:48 PM) Fraudster8: I didn't say
    (4:18:37 PM) CPATrendPhil: You certainly implied it. Either way, I know you're a fraudulent affiliate. So right now we're just wasting each others time.
    (4:18:50 PM) CPATrendPhil: Sorry, we can't work together.
    (4:19:08 PM) CPATrendPhil: There's hundreds of other networks, and I'm sure you'll be able to slip in the through the cracks at another.
    (4:20:27 PM) Fraudster8: i just want to join your
    (4:20:46 PM) CPATrendPhil: It's not gonna happen, sorry. Good luck elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    ^roflcopter, got anymore gems?

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  • Profile picture of the author BingeSite
    This is darn funny. I wish I could post some too but I never saved them. Whether fraud or not I think it was the right call to not accept suspicious affiliates.

    I have a membership site where i used to offer free trial, but I had a swarm of chinese sign ups, they'd attempt to sign up with chinese interface then switch to english and english names. they just created many many accounts and never used it. Eventually I had to block free trials alltogether. Even though my site clearly displays that you need to complete payment in order for account activation they continue to register but never complete payment page. >.<
    I used to be a bit green back then so I used to email them asking if they had trouble or if they can use this quick link to finish the process. 99% never replied rest said " I no money, I no english" I gathered it was a waste of time eventually and stopped bothering.

    i have given up. I just let it be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    These uneducated people vanish others chance. Specially in Asian countries.
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  • Profile picture of the author ham.bone
    That is one of the funniest things I have seen this week. Thanks for the laugh you racist...
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  • Profile picture of the author netoctane
    LMAO

    We already import everything from China... Why not Fraud now?
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  • Profile picture of the author CPATrendPhil
    Okay this one is short, but definitely enjoyable .

    I called a guy and asked him how his 1 month old site is receiving 100k uniques per month as he claimed on the application. He said through blog posts and article submissions. So I said, "wow that's a ton of traffic for article submissions". He answered in a cocky way, probably assuming I'm an idiot.

    So I said.. "well, link me to one of your blog posts or articles so that I can verify that actually is one of your traffic sources."

    His response: "That's against my ethics. Just deny me if you want but I wont show you that."

    So I just kept pushing it. I said something like "I don't understand why you can't show me a simple blog post or article that you wrote which verifies that your traffic is coming from there."

    He hangs up.

    We had previously been speaking on AIM, so I shot him over an IM:

    (5:09:09 PM) CPATrendPhil: Sorry <name>, we're all about transparency, and if we can't be transparent with each other we can't work together. I wish you the best of luck elsewhere though and wish you success.
    (5:10:49 PM) CPATrendPhil: All I was asking for was to see an article you wrote which is linking to your site to prove that your statements were true. We deal with tons of fraudulent applications on a daily basis. I mean, I know that you were planning on pushing fraud because that's something that all whitehat marketers have no problem showing me (and do show me on a daily basis). If you reconsider, I can reconsider your application. Have a good day.
    (5:15:12 PM) fraudster9: We have built a very successful search marketing business earning many of our clients. We are your online Search Marketing Department
    specializing in Market Development, PPC Term Gathering, PPC Advertisement Creation, Ranking Management, and Partnership Marketing
    Relationships.

    (5:15:22 PM) fraudster9: This is what I write
    (5:15:29 PM) fraudster9: and submit it to ezine articles
    (5:18:14 PM) fraudster9: you there?
    (5:22:37 PM) CPATrendPhil: Yes I'm here. I'm not asking to see what you wrote. I'm asking to see where your traffic source is. Show me proof that articles/blogs are producing 40-50,000 uniques per month for you.
    (5:24:46 PM) fraudster9: Go to hell
    (5:24:55 PM) fraudster9: Piece of ****
    (5:24:57 PM) CPATrendPhil: lol
    (5:25:04 PM) CPATrendPhil: Thanks for trying.
    (5:25:30 PM) fraudster9: I have not tried ur wife
    (5:25:33 PM) fraudster9: or sis yet
    (5:41:49 PM) CPATrendPhil: What're you waiting for?
    (5:42:48 PM) fraudster9: Pass me their information
    (5:42:51 PM) fraudster9: ph #
    (5:42:53 PM) fraudster9: address
    (5:51:05 PM) CPATrendPhil: I don't have a wife or sister, sorry . If you're interested, I can give you the number to one of my ex girlfriends.
    (5:51:19 PM) CPATrendPhil: I'm sure all the ladies dig guys with illegitimate income.
    (5:51:26 PM) CPATrendPhil: keep on hustlin'
    (5:51:27 PM) CPATrendPhil: bye.
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    • Profile picture of the author mtmjohn
      Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil View Post

      (5:24:46 PM) fraudster9: Go to hell
      (5:24:55 PM) fraudster9: Piece of ****
      (5:24:57 PM) CPATrendPhil: lol
      (5:25:04 PM) CPATrendPhil: Thanks for trying.
      (5:25:30 PM) fraudster9: I have not tried ur wife
      (5:25:33 PM) fraudster9: or sis yet
      (5:41:49 PM) CPATrendPhil: What're you waiting for?
      (5:42:48 PM) fraudster9: Pass me their information
      (5:42:51 PM) fraudster9: ph #
      (5:42:53 PM) fraudster9: address
      (5:51:05 PM) CPATrendPhil: I don't have a wife or sister, sorry . If you're interested, I can give you the number to one of my ex girlfriends.
      (5:51:19 PM) CPATrendPhil: I'm sure all the ladies dig guys with illegitimate income.
      He has gone mad

      Phil, looking forward to reading new series.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ram_Bhatkal
        Because of these fraudsters, guy like me suffer. I've been denied by two affiliate networks so far. First, it was Peerfly and yesterday Maxbounty without providing any reason.. I've provided them genuine information..
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  • Profile picture of the author cleaning72
    OMG, the guy has been crazy..
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    • Profile picture of the author BILLSBILLION
      LMAO, What a crazy world!!!
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      "Life begins at the end of your comfort zone." True, or true?!
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      • Profile picture of the author DFR
        I'm far from being a technical wizard but don't these idiots understand what an IP address is?

        Wherever a dollar is being made there is a person trying to scam.

        Good job Phil
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  • Profile picture of the author sakari
    Funniest. WF. Thread. Evar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Faizudin
    I hope nobody use my identity for this kind of thing.
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    You Won't Know Unless You Try!
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  • Profile picture of the author zhaodu0000
    oh, lol
    it is like a joke
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  • Profile picture of the author mmarty
    Thanks for the chuckle!

    These guys are nuts, I always wonder what goes through their crazy minds.
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    Vontio - Call Tracking, Recording and Analytics for Data-Driven Businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author DarioCPABeyond
    Looks like the same guy wanted to signed up to our network and offered me % to allow him to fraud offers. Then after two months contacted me again and told me that his Skype was hacked.
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