A very legitimate looking affiliate account signed up. High traffic website, whois information matched his application information, including name, phone number, and address, which doesn't happen too often. However, the address that the person signed up with did not match his IP address. So I figured I'd drop him a message on AIM before conducting a phone interview to just check out why the IP address and address listed on the application do not match. I wont include any names for privacy reasons, but the name on the application was certainly an American -- probably Irish-American -- name. So here is our AIM conversation:
(11:31:00 AM) CPATrendPhil: Hey <English name>, how are you?
(11:31:36 AM) fraudster: hi friend
(11:32:19 AM) CPATrendPhil: You just signed up for an affiliate account at CPATrend, just had a quick question.
(11:33:05 AM) fraudster: y
(11:33:15 AM) CPATrendPhil: huh?
(11:34:41 AM) fraudster: can i Join affiliate？
(11:35:02 AM) CPATrendPhil: You already signed up, I just wanted to ask you a question..
(11:35:18 AM) fraudster: sure
(11:35:58 AM) CPATrendPhil: Where did you sign up from?
(11:36:32 AM) fraudster: Chinese students
(11:36:49 AM) CPATrendPhil: Do you speak English?
(11:36:52 AM) fraudster: I have gone through your website and find it very impressive. I thought
me can definitely Improve the revenue from your campaigns.
(11:37:21 AM) fraudster: but my English is bad.
(11:37:29 AM) CPATrendPhil: you never answered my question
(11:37:34 AM) fraudster: i have lot of
customer which best suits your campaigns.
(11:37:47 AM) CPATrendPhil: you still have not answered my question
(11:37:59 AM) CPATrendPhil: (11:35:58 AM) CPATrendPhil: Where did you sign up from?
(11:38:12 AM) fraudster: china
(11:38:26 AM) CPATrendPhil: So <english name> isn't your real name is it?
(11:39:01 AM) fraudster: <Chinese Name>
(11:39:13 AM) CPATrendPhil: So why did you sign up with the name: <english name>, and using all of his information?
(11:39:26 AM) CPATrendPhil: Social Security Number, website, address, etc.
(11:39:46 AM) fraudster: my friend
(11:39:57 AM) CPATrendPhil: Lol
(11:40:05 AM) CPATrendPhil: you're very bad at committing fraud.
(11:40:13 AM) CPATrendPhil: You need some lessons.
(11:40:17 AM) fraudster: why？
(11:40:33 AM) CPATrendPhil: because you're way too easy to spot.
(11:41:08 AM) fraudster: no
(11:41:13 AM) CPATrendPhil: yes.
(11:41:27 AM) fraudster: marketing campaigns：Email, PPC, Facebook
(11:41:35 AM) CPATrendPhil: you're being denied
(11:41:45 AM) CPATrendPhil: you can't sign up with somebody elses information
(11:41:46 AM) CPATrendPhil: that's illegal
(11:41:50 AM) CPATrendPhil: it's called fraud
(11:41:57 AM) CPATrendPhil: you just admitted to doing so..
(11:42:08 AM) fraudster: Unfortunately
(11:42:33 AM) CPATrendPhil: unfortunately you're the worst fraudster I've ever spoken to
(11:42:51 AM) CPATrendPhil: you're never supposed to give yourself away, come on man..
(11:43:00 AM) fraudster: u a bad manager
(11:43:19 AM) CPATrendPhil: You're the first person who's ever said that, so you must be right.
(11:43:33 AM) fraudster: Racial discrimination
(11:43:58 AM) CPATrendPhil: We discriminate against fraudulent affiliates. You just admitted to me that you signed up using fraudulent information, lol.
(11:45:09 AM) fraudster: I would like to Build a healthy relationship with your company. I am
interested in speaking with campaign management team or who handles
(11:45:31 AM) fraudster: but You do not trust me
(11:47:02 AM) CPATrendPhil: Of course I don't trust you. You signed up with a name, address, SSN, phone number, and website that is not yours. How could I trust you?
(11:47:35 AM) fraudster: Do not just saying that a person is a liar
(11:47:39 AM) fraudster: ok?
(11:47:51 AM) CPATrendPhil: What do you mean?
(11:49:02 AM) fraudster: your site to receive China affiliate ?
(11:49:39 AM) fraudster: I have my own two sites
(11:49:40 AM) CPATrendPhil: We accept Chinese affiliates who prove themselves to be legitimate affiliates. You broke the cardinal sin of signing up for affiliate networks.
(11:51:01 AM) fraudster: oh,Very bad thingsO:-)
(11:52:03 AM) fraudster: i work with CJ.com
(11:52:15 AM) CPATrendPhil: so does everybody
(11:52:20 AM) CPATrendPhil: continue working with them
(11:52:45 AM) fraudster: ok , i like them
(11:54:17 AM) CPATrendPhil: great
(11:56:24 AM) fraudster: I would like to Build a healthy relationship with your,,
(11:57:06 AM) CPATrendPhil: It's not happening. You already broke the trust barrier. We cannot work together, sorry.
(11:58:52 AM) fraudster: hehe
(12:00:03 PM) fraudster: Can give you 30% commission:-P
(12:00:37 PM) CPATrendPhil: Go hang out more at blackhatworld.
(12:01:58 PM) fraudster: You're funny
(12:02:08 PM) fraudster: bye
(12:02:10 PM) CPATrendPhil: bye
(12:02:14 PM) CPATrendPhil: thanks for playing
If anybody has spoken with me personally, you know that I typically speak much more professionally on AIM, but sometimes you get some of these guys who are blatantly fraudulent and you just gotta have a bit of fun with them too.
My favorite part is how he called me out for "racial discrimination" and followed it with "I would like to build a healthy relationship with your company."
Some of you may be able to appreciate this!