TOTAL FEELING OF DEFEAT!

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I honestly dont know why they call CPA the millionaire makers when I couldnt even make $10 bucks.

I tried email marketing- failed, outsourcing via Fiverr and odesk-Failed, do not have a website and all that jazz..

I just didn't want to have to give up so soon..

I wish there was someone who could teach me and get me back on track.

Sorry if I sound so pessimistic..I was always criticized by parents and friends of spending to much time on useless things such as IM as people never make money online AND I wanted to prove them wrong-

GUESS I LOST OUT FINALLY.....just feeling so much dispair
#defeat #feeling #total
  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    If you are lost go back to basics:

    - What's your target niche/market
    - What's your keywords
    - Who's your competitors
    - What's your SE ranking
    - Where's your traffic coming from
    - What's the conversion rate of your landing page

    If you can tweak/answer your problems from these basic questions,
    then I am not sure how can you not make money online.
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    • Profile picture of the author hsk2010
      Originally Posted by Mark Brian View Post

      If you are lost go back to basics:

      - What's your target niche/market
      - What's your keywords
      - Who's your competitors
      - What's your SE ranking
      - Where's your traffic coming from
      - What's the conversion rate of your landing page

      If you can tweak/answer your problems from these basic questions,
      then I am not sure how can you not make money online.
      Thanks alot Mark but I do not have a website
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      • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
        Originally Posted by hsk2010 View Post

        Thanks alot Mark but I do not have a website
        go to weebly.com and you can fire up a free website until you make a few bucks to put your own domain on it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
        Originally Posted by hsk2010 View Post

        Thanks alot Mark but I do not have a website
        Number one problem right there.

        Do you have a list?

        Do you have a product or service?

        You need at least 2 out of 3 of these three things in order to make any real money in IM.

        1. A site
        2. A list
        3. A product.

        Or else you are doomed to make pennies when others are making benjamins.

        Bum marketing is alright if you don't mind writing 50 articles a day and getting super crappy conversions until you have so much crap floating on the web that it all adds up to something, but if you want to be realistic, get a freakin website. They're not expensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phobos
    Haha....giving up already?

    Here's a guaranteed method that will put money in your pocket. Remember... you must do exactly what I tell you:

    1. Pick 3 high converting email submits (free gadgets work best).
    2. Make a landing page for each one (use free Wordpress blogs -nothing fancy).
    3. Write 5-6 articles for each offer and submit them to Ezinearticles.com
    4. After the articles go live at EZA rewrite them a bit and then submit them to Articlesbase.com

    This is exactly how I started and the method still works. It won't make you a lot of $ but will give you a moral boost.

    And remember, you must follow the steps 1-4 exactly else I'm not responsible for any failure:p

    EZA might act like a jerk at first and reject some of your articles (read the reason for rejection and act accordingly).

    P.S. Remember to bookmark and ping the articles after they go live.
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    • Profile picture of the author hsk2010
      Can you pm me with a little more detail as to how exactly I must go about it.
      You can also post here if you wish.

      How much do you think I would be able to make with your strategy?
      Sorry to be so blunt- I guess failures do that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Phobos
        Originally Posted by hsk2010 View Post

        Can you pm me with a little more detail as to how exactly I must go about it.
        You can also post here if you wish.

        How much do you think I would be able to make with your strategy?
        Sorry to be so blunt- I guess failures do that.
        Just follow the steps I've outlined for you. There's no magic trick, there are no secrets.

        How much can you make? I don't know, it deppends. But does it really matter? It's a dead simple strategy that will get you going (and that's what you want isn't it?).
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      • Profile picture of the author cheekeong.tan
        Dear hsk2010,

        How long you have tried ?
        How much money you have spent on learning internet marketing ?
        What internet marketing basics you know now ?

        Sorry about all these questions. The most important question actually is "what is your definite chief aim for yourself ?" If you can't answer this question, that's the reason why you can't get unstuck to continue your success journey.

        The above serves to spark soul searching, no criticism meant.

        Cheers

        P.S. - If it's financially possible, get a mentor to help lights up your way.
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    • Profile picture of the author azmanar
      Originally Posted by Phobos View Post

      Haha....giving up already?

      Here's a guaranteed method that will put money in your pocket. Remember... you must do exactly what I tell you:

      1. Pick 3 high converting email submits (free gadgets work best).
      2. Make a landing page for each one (use free Wordpress blogs -nothing fancy).
      3. Write 5-6 articles for each offer and submit them to Ezinearticles.com
      4. After the articles go live at EZA rewrite them a bit and then submit them to Articlesbase.com

      This is exactly how I started and the method still works. It won't make you a lot of $ but will give you a moral boost.

      And remember, you must follow the steps 1-4 exactly else I'm not responsible for any failure:p

      EZA might act like a jerk at first and reject some of your articles (read the reason for rejection and act accordingly).

      P.S. Remember to bookmark and ping the articles after they go live.
      Hi Phobos,

      Thanks for giving us newbies a practical way of doing things. Clean, crisp, clear and simple. This is the kind of tips that I've been looking for.

      The 1st article I sent to EZA weeks ago was accepted almost immediately after some adjustments. I have to edit out minor "marketing" words and a foreign link. Then I sent to other directories. This is for a client and not for a CPA effort.

      So I thought of stepping up by sending to Buzzle.com first then EZA. Buzzle will only accept fresh articles which have not been published ever. The first was accepted as a sample to let me in. The 2nd article was rejected without telling me the reason. They just delete it. Buzzle and Puzzle, there is some rhyme there. Question : Is Buzzle.com that important? Should I just ignore Buzzle?

      ArticlesBase and GoArticles are the easiest and very responsive.

      My client was smiling from ear to ear when they got the traffic and the rankings. Article submission is the way to go.

      I have another question. When you say, write 5 or 6 articles for the offers and publish them in EZA, I was surprised. EZA clearly warned not to submit articles that are marketing oriented. But they don't mind having 2 live links to any site. What is the trick you use to circumvent EZA's strict policy?
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      • Profile picture of the author Phobos
        Originally Posted by azmanar View Post

        So I thought of stepping up by sending to Buzzle.com first then EZA.
        EZA will not accept articles previously published elsewhere so that won't work. I never personally used Buzzle before but my advice is to just stick with EZA if you have fresh content

        Originally Posted by azmanar View Post

        ArticlesBase and GoArticles are the easiest and very responsive.
        Articlesbase is my second favorite directory and I got plenty of traffic from it. Unfortunately I can't say the same thing about Goarticles (decent number of views but very few clicks).

        Originally Posted by azmanar View Post

        EZA clearly warned not to submit articles that are marketing oriented. But they don't mind having 2 live links to any site. What is the trick you use to circumvent EZA's strict policy?
        They're just trying to scare people off and sound more professional then they actually are:p when in fact, all they care about is their Adsense money. If you submit decent content you shouldn't have any problems (of course, don't make it too salesy either).
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    How much time have you been trying to promote CPA offers? It took me almost 2 years to make my first penny online, but today I am a full-time internet marketer with a big smile on my face. So don't give up just because you failed once or twice. You can turn CPA into a real business, you just need to be willing to go through your learning curve.

    Here are some tips to help you get back on track...


    Weeping won't help you

    You will fail, things will go wrong many times until you figure out how to play this game. However, you need to try again, again and again. Don't get frustrated and don't think about giving up, just learn from your mistakes and keep going.


    Master ONE system

    There are people making money with thousands of different strategies, but it doesn't mean that you have to test a new method every single day. If you want to make money with a system you need to master it, so don't jump to another method if you fail once, be persistent and keep focused on one system.


    No one can do it for you

    People here on this forum can help you learn more about a specific traffic source, suggest you some networks, give you some tips, but no one here will actually make money for you. You need to do it by yourself, and the only way you have to succeed is by going through your learning curve. Internet marketing isn't easy, most people fail and you can't get rich overnight. However, many people make a living with their CPA business and you can do the same after you defeat your learning curve. So be stronger than your frustration.


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    • Profile picture of the author jayesser
      Posting articles on Ezine wont help unless you have a premium writers account. The B***ds at Ezine will just reject your article.

      I dont blame u for feeling dejected - I put in HOURS of work every day and do many of the things recommended..do i make any money? hardly. I put in at least 5 hrs EVERY DAY and only make $2 a day at best. Its becoming a bit of a joke and a waste of my life! Ive been doing this for about 16 months with no real progress. i may give it 2 years before i give up on CPA.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
        Originally Posted by jayesser View Post

        Posting articles on Ezine wont help unless you have a premium writers account. The B***ds at Ezine will just reject your article.

        I dont blame u for feeling dejected - I put in HOURS of work every day and do many of the things recommended..do i make any money? hardly. I put in at least 5 hrs EVERY DAY and only make $2 a day at best. Its becoming a bit of a joke and a waste of my life! Ive been doing this for about 16 months with no real progress. i may give it 2 years before i give up on CPA.
        Hate to piss on someones parade, but I'm starting to believe there is a luck factor in this. If not that, then you need deep business sense. The people making the big bucks probably have it, but don't realize that. I don't care about the stories that say "16 yo homeless girl makes 40K/mo online." That means absolutely nothing. It is the same thing as saying she got a perfect score on the SAT, does that mean you can get it too?

        My friend plays the piano and tells me how effortless it was for her to learn it. Does that mean it is easy for everyone?

        I was researching the PUA market yesterday for a niche, and I can't help drawing analogies. Here you have guys who are probably below average looking, not rich, etc but they can (well claim anyway) to get hot women at the drop of a hat. Put them in a new city, and within a day women will be all over them. Why? because they have a subtle skill that others just don't.

        I know from the fourms I researched that guys buy every PUA guide, but yet fail to get to a second line in a conversation with a lady. Some guys are in their 30s with barely any dating experience! The scary part is its not their appearance in many cases.

        I used to teach math and programming in community college and I taught students who put in massive efforts(hours in tutoring, trying every homework problem), but yet never seemed to get it. Sure, they can eek thru a passing grade (hopefully) but I doubt they would be able to move on to a more advanced course. Maybe some people take more time to learn. If the algebra course was two years instead of 4 months that would be another story. Even so I believe some may not conquer it. Now imagine trying to push these students into more and more advanced engineering classes. Is this what is happening with some internet marketers?

        I think internet marketing or brick and mortar business in general is similar. Some people do not have the organizational and thinking skills to make it as an entrepreneur. This does not make you a bad person! They have an employee mindset where they need guidance and have difficulty coming up with original ideas. Most employers do not want original thinkers, unless you are very top management.

        They are not risk takers. Not having a website in this business (unless you are an expert in PPC with 4 figures to blow) is a recipe for failure. Not bashing the OP(I'm far from successful) but not having a website in this business is means you are not serious. This is more in the class of students who just put in no effort and fail the class.

        Teens do very well in IM because they are ready to take risks (very constructive in the case of IM). They don't think of the consequences, they just do it. That combined with business sense is a synergistic recipe for millions.

        The other two factors are focus and confidence. If you have ADHD(or jump from one thing to the other, have more than 3 tabs open in Firefox, etc) you are at a major disadvantage. Also, confidence, to keep trying after repeated failure helps too. But then there is that "luck" or more likely "talent" factor that kicks in, otherwise you are (as we say in programming) recursively recreating your own mistakes with no limiting case. This a guaranteed recipe for a stack overflow and ultimately failure.

        Now in the time I wrote this I could have written an article for ezines....
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        • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
          Hi HSK, if you want to see money in your CPA account go to this site, it's called bidvertiser and you get $20 free for advertising. Choose an offer from your network, it might be an email submit offer, and start one campaign, I'm sure you'll make at least $5 (just to make you feeling that you can do more), use your 20$ then start doing better things, learn a method and try to implement it.

          Best of luck !

          Tim
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        • Profile picture of the author dark witness
          Originally Posted by Eager2SEO View Post

          Hate to piss on someones parade, but I'm starting to believe there is a luck factor in this. If not that, then you need deep business sense. The people making the big bucks probably have it, but don't realize that. I don't care about the stories that say "16 yo homeless girl makes 40K/mo online." That means absolutely nothing. It is the same thing as saying she got a perfect score on the SAT, does that mean you can get it too?

          My friend plays the piano and tells me how effortless it was for her to learn it. Does that mean it is easy for everyone?

          I was researching the PUA market yesterday for a niche, and I can't help drawing analogies. Here you have guys who are probably below average looking, not rich, etc but they can (well claim anyway) to get hot women at the drop of a hat. Put them in a new city, and within a day women will be all over them. Why? because they have a subtle skill that others just don't.

          I know from the fourms I researched that guys buy every PUA guide, but yet fail to get to a second line in a conversation with a lady. Some guys are in their 30s with barely any dating experience! The scary part is its not their appearance in many cases.

          I used to teach math and programming in community college and I taught students who put in massive efforts(hours in tutoring, trying every homework problem), but yet never seemed to get it. Sure, they can eek thru a passing grade (hopefully) but I doubt they would be able to move on to a more advanced course. Maybe some people take more time to learn. If the algebra course was two years instead of 4 months that would be another story. Even so I believe some may not conquer it. Now imagine trying to push these students into more and more advanced engineering classes. Is this what is happening with some internet marketers?

          I think internet marketing or brick and mortar business in general is similar. Some people do not have the organizational and thinking skills to make it as an entrepreneur. This does not make you a bad person! They have an employee mindset where they need guidance and have difficulty coming up with original ideas. Most employers do not want original thinkers, unless you are very top management.

          They are not risk takers. Not having a website in this business (unless you are an expert in PPC with 4 figures to blow) is a recipe for failure. Not bashing the OP(I'm far from successful) but not having a website in this business is means you are not serious. This is more in the class of students who just put in no effort and fail the class.

          Teens do very well in IM because they are ready to take risks (very constructive in the case of IM). They don't think of the consequences, they just do it. That combined with business sense is a synergistic recipe for millions.

          The other two factors are focus and confidence. If you have ADHD(or jump from one thing to the other, have more than 3 tabs open in Firefox, etc) you are at a major disadvantage. Also, confidence, to keep trying after repeated failure helps too. But then there is that "luck" or more likely "talent" factor that kicks in, otherwise you are (as we say in programming) recursively recreating your own mistakes with no limiting case. This a guaranteed recipe for a stack overflow and ultimately failure.

          Now in the time I wrote this I could have written an article for ezines....
          That would have made a great article ! it's got me thinking about my efforts and performance.
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  • Profile picture of the author angel21
    I agree there is a lot of Luck factor to this, I am giving me 1 year to make it, I have been at it 2 mo's for 8-10 hrs a day so far nothing but I am still learning a lot.Thanks for all of the advice!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by angel21 View Post

      I agree there is a lot of Luck factor to this, I am giving me 1 year to make it, I have been at it 2 mo's for 8-10 hrs a day so far nothing but I am still learning a lot.Thanks for all of the advice!

      Luck is always a factor in everything you do but its no more important in IM than it is in any other business.

      In truth, you make your own luck. If you are keeping active and taking action, luck tends to come to you. Ask most successful IMers and most will tell you they have been lucky, but never relied on luck. This is a hugely important point. By always moving forward in your business (even if you dont necessary know exactly where you are going) you create opportunities and opportunities are what most people consider luck.

      The person who sits and reads this forum, sits and buys product after product and sits and becomes a master at internet marketing by reading about it will never get opportunities and will never get lucky. The person who is actively reaching out to people, actively setting up campaigns and sites will normally get lucky.

      The only thing you can control is how hard you work and what you do, so just focus on that.


      ...


      As for the OP here...I feel your pain. Everybody thought I was crazy when I was doing my thing online (and not making any money at first). Its just the way it is...most entrepreneurs go through this. Most non-entrepreneurial folk (the majority of people) dont understand what its like to have a passion and an idea and to turn that idea into a business. Thats precisely what you and I are doign here.

      So, my advice would be to spend at least 50% of your time taking action, even if its building your first wordpress site that you have no idea how to do. What's the worst that can happen? If you keep taking action, things will come so that is my biggest advice. Action action action.

      Keep forward momentum and do everything in your power to motivate yourself and don't look for that secret sauce or secret method...they don't exist. Most of internet marketing is the basics...its marketing 101!

      Best of luck
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      • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
        Originally Posted by Kenster View Post


        The person who sits and reads this forum, sits and buys product after product and sits and becomes a master at internet marketing by reading about it will never get opportunities and will never get lucky. The person who is actively reaching out to people, actively setting up campaigns and sites will normally get lucky.

        The only thing you can control is how hard you work and what you do, so just focus on that.


        Keep forward momentum and do everything in your power to motivate yourself and don't look for that secret sauce or secret method...they don't exist. Most of internet marketing is the basics...its marketing 101!

        Best of luck
        I agree, I read your story where you made 100s of Animoto videos until it started to take. How many people would give up after 10, or even 20? Honestly me. I made a few for a zip submit for a free TV, but i never got any conversions.

        I'm in that spot now, I feel I know everything in THEORY about it, but the distractions and taking action is going to scuttle my efforts. I'm also not comfortable with risking 100s in PPC. I bought videos from a guru (I wont say any names) where he makes it seems like childs play (placing ads in PPV, 2nd tier networks) but I'm still skeptical.

        My next strategic move though is article marketing. I wrote software that does a great job of analyzing completion, search volume and how articles are backlinked and ranked.(nothing you probably couldn't do manually but I like to program and get distracted).

        My PPC/CPA guru taught me the importance of reverse engineering others campaigns and adding your own twist. I disabled adblock, and I watch my browser headers. I like penny auctions - I think people are making a killing with a certain type of landing page.
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        • Profile picture of the author CrhisD
          Originally Posted by Eager2SEO View Post

          I agree, I read your story where you made 100s of Animoto videos until it started to take.
          That's an idea of the kind of work you have to do to make as much as he does
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      • Profile picture of the author CrhisD
        Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

        Most non-entrepreneurial folk (the majority of people) dont understand what its like to have a passion and an idea and to turn that idea into a business.
        Great advice from Kenster as usual.
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    • Profile picture of the author williamrs
      Originally Posted by angel21 View Post

      I agree there is a lot of Luck factor to this, I am giving me 1 year to make it, I have been at it 2 mo's for 8-10 hrs a day so far nothing but I am still learning a lot.Thanks for all of the advice!
      Luck is a piece of the game, but definetely not the most important one.

      Let's say we have 4 offers:

      OFFER A
      OFFER B
      OFFER C
      OFFER D


      Case 1: Unlucky good marketer

      Attempt 1: OFFER B - failure
      Attempt 2: OFFER D - failure
      Attempt 3: OFFER A - failure
      Attempt 4: OFFER C - $$$


      Case 2: Lucky good marketer

      Attempt 1: OFFER C - $$$


      Case 3: Lucky bad marketer

      Attempt 1: OFFER C - failure
      Attempt 2: OFFER D - failure
      Attempt 3: OFFER A - failure
      Attempt 4: OFFER B - failure


      IMO, this is the way things work.


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      • Profile picture of the author azmanar
        Originally Posted by williamrs View Post

        Luck is a piece of the game, but definetely not the most important one.

        Let's say we have 4 offers:

        OFFER A
        OFFER B
        OFFER C
        OFFER D


        Case 1: Unlucky good marketer

        Attempt 1: OFFER B - failure
        Attempt 2: OFFER D - failure
        Attempt 3: OFFER A - failure
        Attempt 4: OFFER C - $$$


        Case 2: Lucky good marketer

        Attempt 1: OFFER C - $$$


        Case 3: Lucky bad marketer

        Attempt 1: OFFER C - failure
        Attempt 2: OFFER D - failure
        Attempt 3: OFFER A - failure
        Attempt 4: OFFER B - failure


        IMO, this is the way things work.


        William
        Will,

        You have amazing ways of motivating people. Really nice one using probability.

        How about this one.

        Out of many offers, I got lucky in 1 offer. Suddenly IT WAS PAUSED when the momentum was about to pick-up. The network gave notice only after pausing it. Is this normal?

        I quickly replaced it with an identical offer by another network. Otherwise my visitors kept going to a smiley factory.
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    • Profile picture of the author CrhisD
      Originally Posted by angel21 View Post

      I agree there is a lot of Luck factor to this, I am giving me 1 year to make it, I have been at it 2 mo's for 8-10 hrs a day so far nothing but I am still learning a lot.Thanks for all of the advice!
      I think I know how you are doing it wrong (if that really is your pic.) If it is, it's a pretty good way to get people to look at a page or click on a link.

      And even if you don't succeed so what really? how would you be worse off than if you hadn't tried at all?
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  • Profile picture of the author rain21
    first make a website then do some seo and try to get targeted traffic, for this u can use geo targeted SEO,
    use facebook and twitter also... without a website above things are impossible..I think what u need is a website
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by rain21 View Post

      first make a website then do some seo and try to get targeted traffic, for this u can use geo targeted SEO,
      use facebook and twitter also... without a website above things are impossible..I think what u need is a website

      Establishing virtual real estate is good! Wordperss is extremely easy and my bet is that in 2 days time of hard work you can have a darn good looking wordpress site!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Colton
    I've got about 22 tabs opened up in Firefox. Guess the adhd is getting to me!
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  • Profile picture of the author PrivateCitizen
    To the OP, if you are able to, you can also try offline CPA with local businesses. Pick one or two high converting, high payout free trial offers, get some cheap .info domains to forward to the offers, then contact businesses whose customers would love these free trials. Offer the businesses 50% or more of the profits just to give out some flyers to their customers, then create a different sub-domain pointing to a unique sub-id for each business and put that sub-domain on their flyer so you can track their sales. If you don't have time or money to print and deliver flyers to the businesses, just create the flyers in MS Word or a pdf, and email them to the business. Most of them won't mind spending a few cents printing out some flyers when they can make good $$$ by pointing their customers to a free trial. Remind them that they will get paid whether or not the customer chooses to cancel the trial. Offer to send them weekly screen shots of their sales, then make sure you pay them in a timely manner after the network pays you.

    The hardest part of this is contacting the businesses and explaining the opportunity to them, and you will probably get a lot of rejections at first, but keep trying. Even if they say no, ask them for their email so you can send them more info and a link to the offers. A lot of them may change their minds and join you when they understand more about it. Even if you only get a small number of businesses on board, you will start getting conversions, and making good money on auto-pilot.

    This is an idea I am putting into action for myself, and I hope we can all profit from it. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by Eager2SEO View Post

      I agree, I read your story where you made 100s of Animoto videos until it started to take. How many people would give up after 10, or even 20? Honestly me. I made a few for a zip submit for a free TV, but i never got any conversions.

      I'm in that spot now, I feel I know everything in THEORY about it, but the distractions and taking action is going to scuttle my efforts. I'm also not comfortable with risking 100s in PPC. I bought videos from a guru (I wont say any names) where he makes it seems like childs play (placing ads in PPV, 2nd tier networks) but I'm still skeptical.

      My next strategic move though is article marketing. I wrote software that does a great job of analyzing completion, search volume and how articles are backlinked and ranked.(nothing you probably couldn't do manually but I like to program and get distracted).

      My PPC/CPA guru taught me the importance of reverse engineering others campaigns and adding your own twist. I disabled adblock, and I watch my browser headers. I like penny auctions - I think people are making a killing with a certain type of landing page.

      Absolutely. This is the best advice I ever got and the best advice I try to extend to others. Its simple math. If you can do 20 videos and make $1 per day, then do the same thing 100 times and you should be at $100 a day. The beauty of working online is that you can multiply like this because when you systematize most methods, they can be outsourced and the scope of the internet is so large that it takes a while before market factors such as market cannabalism kick in and you see diminshed returns on your multiplication.

      And I agree, reverse engineering is an important part of many campaigns...SEO, PPC, Lander Development, etc

      Some people build there business exclusively on reverse engineering competitors sites



      Originally Posted by PrivateCitizen View Post

      To the OP, if you are able to, you can also try offline CPA with local businesses. Pick one or two high converting, high payout free trial offers, get some cheap .info domains to forward to the offers, then contact businesses whose customers would love these free trials. Offer the businesses 50% or more of the profits just to give out some flyers to their customers, then create a different sub-domain pointing to a unique sub-id for each business and put that sub-domain on their flyer so you can track their sales. If you don't have time or money to print and deliver flyers to the businesses, just create the flyers in MS Word or a pdf, and email them to the business. Most of them won't mind spending a few cents printing out some flyers when they can make good $$$ by pointing their customers to a free trial. Remind them that they will get paid whether or not the customer chooses to cancel the trial. Offer to send them weekly screen shots of their sales, then make sure you pay them in a timely manner after the network pays you.

      The hardest part of this is contacting the businesses and explaining the opportunity to them, and you will probably get a lot of rejections at first, but keep trying. Even if they say no, ask them for their email so you can send them more info and a link to the offers. A lot of them may change their minds and join you when they understand more about it. Even if you only get a small number of businesses on board, you will start getting conversions, and making good money on auto-pilot.

      This is an idea I am putting into action for myself, and I hope we can all profit from it. Good luck!


      I did this when I was starting. It works but its tough as a long term gig and thats why its more of a bum method to me. I also ran into some headaches since many of the offers are headaches. It works though to get some initial investment capital. There are ways to set it up to make it more long term like focusing on lower payout but more legit offers like Netflix or something.

      Offline lead gen is huge as well!
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  • Profile picture of the author ChadH
    I'm sorry, but what's all this talk about luck???

    If all of us are actually able to sit here on a computer, with a roof over our heads, lol worried about CPA marketing, then you have all the luck you need in this business.

    People have accomplished far more with far less.

    I'm really lucky, simply for the fact I was born somewhere I even have the option to freely make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author azmanar
      Originally Posted by ChadH View Post

      I'm sorry, but what's all this talk about luck???

      If all of us are actually able to sit here on a computer, with a roof over our heads, lol worried about CPA marketing, then you have all the luck you need in this business.

      People have accomplished far more with far less.

      I'm really lucky, simply for the fact I was born somewhere I even have the option to freely make money.
      Sawaddi Kap Chad,

      Wise words and very good reminder. Thanks.

      Some times we must pause a bit and see things in our lifes that we should be grateful for.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matthew NY
        Originally Posted by azmanar View Post

        Sawaddi Kap Chad,

        Wise words and very good reminder. Thanks.

        Some times we must pause a bit and see things in our lifes that we should be grateful for.
        Amen to this.

        Just keep trying. Despite what all of those WSO's say, it requires work to get a business started. Internet Marketing is like anything else. You have to be in it to win it. The thing that makes Internet Marketing more attractive to a lot of aspiring entrepreneurs is that you can do it all from your own home.
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  • Profile picture of the author bertyounger
    Recommend you get your own site when you do IM. Even if you can't monetize the site it has some intrinsic value in traffic and age so you can flip it and at least get something back for your efforts. Domain registration and hosting can be had for pennies a day.

    It's all about learning, experience and execution. IM can be a great time waster and good execution is often boring so its easy to get distracted while fooling yourself that you are in the process of learning. Learning is great but apply it to the real world. If you address the execution aspect of IM you will be able to apply those very same skills to other aspects of your life. IM gurus are made not born.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mehak
    am i right in saying you dont have a site? This is ringing alarm bells in my head because that should be the first step to getting started. How were you marketing even without a site?
    Create a blog/lead capture page or both to brand yourself and capture your leads. When you've got a list work with it, promote to it and you should be making money.
    You can also utilize your blog with adsense if you wish.

    All the best
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    • Profile picture of the author hsk2010
      Could you advise as to what kind of product should one have on their website?
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      • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
        Originally Posted by hsk2010 View Post

        Could you advise as to what kind of product should one have on their website?
        Use your brain to think of things that are popular, people would be interested in signing up for or buying. Go to Amazon and browse different products, or go to Ebay. Ask your CPA affiliate manager for an offer that does well.

        Then do some keyword research with the Adwords Keyword Tool and WordTracker. Find some keywords getting 3,000 Google exact searches per month. Check WT and find keywords getting 30+ searches per day, at least.

        Then check Google competition, and find phrases with 50,000 "quoted" results or less. Write some articles and/or press releases. Use your kw phrase 3 times every 300-400 words. Once in the title, opening paragraph, and anchor text in the bio-box. Redirect to an affiliate offer.

        As long as you write a decent article and have it well SEO'd, you should start to make SOME money.
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      • Profile picture of the author CrhisD
        Originally Posted by hsk2010 View Post

        Could you advise as to what kind of product should one have on their website?
        Look at your profile page. Look at how many people have clicked on it. Do you know why they did? there's your answer
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        • Profile picture of the author iamx
          If you want some free coaching look for a post on here called: FreeCPACoaching. I forgot the guys name who started it. Alot of the stuff he teaches you will find on ''PPC'' websites that charge for this type of info.
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          • Profile picture of the author ryodante
            Yeah... Don't Give up!!! and never give up!!! never ever do even to think to quit this game..

            Winner never quit .... and loser always quit.

            I'm not a big guy in CPA.. i just want to be like Kenster, Williamsr, Mike Morgan, etc..
            but today i already know how it feels to make $5 , $50, $100, $150 a day... you must feel this one too.. it's really good you know. I even can forget how the pain feels in when i see $$$ in my profile.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kenster
              Originally Posted by ryodante View Post

              Yeah... Don't Give up!!! and never give up!!! never ever do even to think to quit this game..

              Winner never quit .... and loser always quit.

              I'm not a big guy in CPA.. i just want to be like Kenster, Williamsr, Mike Morgan, etc..
              but today i already know how it feels to make $5 , $50, $100, $150 a day... you must feel this one too.. it's really good you know. I even can forget how the pain feels in when i see $$$ in my profile.


              Yes, not a huge fan of quitting here either!

              There are many factors that determine how fast (if ever) you start making the big bucks online. Determination, work ethic, perseverence, time to dedicate, etc

              Some people take a long time to make it big and others do it overnight. At the end of the day, if you work your tail off and continually take action, its my personal belief that you will always see some result. When that result is had, then its time to multiply, expand, reinvest.
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          • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
            It's kind of funny because you went through everything I have went through.. I first got introduced this business and I started out with Trying to email market..

            I built a list of about 100 people.. got about 2 sales, and nothing else. So i moved on. (It wasn't for me, I didn't know how to do it)

            Heard a lot about facebook ppc so I tried that out, spent a total of about $350 and didnt make a dime..

            Built a free wordpress blog.. wrote articles, had a plan to make money with amazon.. but it never worked out.

            I could never work as hard as everyone says.. and this is what kick started me to thinking.. why work harder when you can work smarter?

            I started my first project about 2 weeks ago and now i'm making around 50 - 200 a day.. Just like that.

            Obviously I'm not going to out my way of making money or else everyone would be doing it but honestly it involves me going on the computer an hour a day and monitoring stats.. and reading some warriorforum

            You can read and read all you want.. but you need to be inspired. Think outside of the box.
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        • Profile picture of the author gkb45
          Originally Posted by CrhisD View Post

          Look at your profile page. Look at how many people have clicked on it. Do you know why they did? there's your answer
          Still I am thinking ..........
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    • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
      Originally Posted by Mehak View Post

      am i right in saying you dont have a site? This is ringing alarm bells in my head because that should be the first step to getting started. How were you marketing even without a site?
      Create a blog/lead capture page or both to brand yourself and capture your leads. When you've got a list work with it, promote to it and you should be making money.
      You can also utilize your blog with adsense if you wish.

      All the best
      You can market without a website, and make thousands. It's called direct-linking. Not the best thing to do long term, but then again this girl needs some experience, and should focus first on ad writing or basic SEO/keyword research. Building a website/list should be secondary after learning some marketing skills.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukinara
    yeah sure, you are defeated, just quit this business, less 1 competitor for me and everyone here, no one die anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author iamx
    Without a doubt take time to learn some web designing. Or play around with wordpress pages. You NEED to learn how to create websites.

    Now I dont know you at all. But is it safe to say that you been playing around with IM for so. Without learning how to create websites yourself because its a bit intimidating?

    That you maybe have looked for options AROUND having to build websites? If so the best edvice I got in this games was to master what scares you the most in this game. Whether its web creation, spending $$$, keyword methods, bidding etc. Once you learn what scared you the most in IM the rest becomes ALOT more simpler.

    I started off with free methods and made some NICE change in return and best of all it was all free traffic. Once I felt ready I moved on to paid traffic (PPC) And I'm still learning alot. I'm making money not herds of money but a nice profit.

    Where did I learn the methods that i use?

    From IM forms and it was mostly free.. Find what people are claiming they are making money with. There is always somoene who is gonna give you free pointers or even some people that will spill the beans. One you find a topic or method that alot of people say is working for them then do it yourself for a amount of period of time. Or till you start seeing results.
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  • Profile picture of the author joesfortune
    you are in friendly waters, my friend. I went through your route. right now I a hanging on with GDI and squeezing my brains to make my blogs work and earn me a living.
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  • Profile picture of the author iamx
    No doubt about it direct linking works.. I'm living proof the problem is it seems like she might not have alot of capital for doing PPC? Direct linking is an expensive habit and there are ''tricks'' to getting it to work. It's only a long term business if you dont stop running offers. Which isnt really a big deal since you dont have to build sites. But like I said i know first hand it can be $$$
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonWestwick
      As others of said there are hundreds of ways to make money online and hundreds of methods to make money with CPA.

      There are some great responses in this thread and the sheer amount of replies should indicate that you have a complete community here of extremely knowledgable people who are willing to support you every step of the way.

      It sounds like you just need to stick it out, pick a method that appeals and stick with it. The most important thing here is not necessarily for you to make money, building an online business takes work and time, the most important point here is that you are learning, everytime you fail you learn, everytime something goes wrong and frustrates you - you learn.
      Always be learning.

      Pick a method stick with it and enjoy the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShawnPeter
    Hi Hsk2010,

    As harro1 mentioned above, there are more than 100 ways to make $$$ online.

    Each time you face a problem, its not right to give up. Don't keep doing the same things over & over again, expecting a different result. Its good that you are on WF. Many of the Warriors here are very helpful. If you constantly keep thinking that you are a failure, that is what you will become. If CPA or whatever you have tried does not work for you then get someone to help you understand. You probably need to rethink the steps you took.

    I believe that harboring negativity does attract negative outcomes.

    Here are some vids for inspiration:




    Do you know how many Publishers JK Rowling had to approach, before 1 took her book? If she gave up, there wouldn't be Harry Potter.

    Do you know how many banks Walt Disney had to present to - with his sketch of a Mouse, before 1 finally gave in to his Mouse ideas?

    It ain't over till you say its over. You become what you think...what you focus on.

    Cheers!

    PS: This song is my anthem, each day I awake. pls listen to the lyrics.















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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    Originally Posted by hsk2010 View Post

    I honestly dont know why they call CPA the millionaire makers when I couldnt even make $10 bucks.

    I tried email marketing- failed, outsourcing via Fiverr and odesk-Failed, do not have a website and all that jazz..

    I just didn't want to have to give up so soon..

    I wish there was someone who could teach me and get me back on track.

    Sorry if I sound so pessimistic..I was always criticized by parents and friends of spending to much time on useless things such as IM as people never make money online AND I wanted to prove them wrong-

    GUESS I LOST OUT FINALLY.....just feeling so much dispair
    A lot of these "CPA Millionaires", especially on this forum, are lying and trying to get you to buy a coaching program. Pay them no mind. For you it's time to do a self inventory. What do you like? What can you write about? What can you crank out content on without hesitation?

    Start there.

    Start a blog, that should only cost $9 for a domain. You can host your blog free on blogger and use your domain there.

    Start cranking out content. Start cranking out Youtube videos. Start cranking out articles for ehow, articlebase, ezine, squidoo, hubpages. Link all these sites to your blog.

    Start monetizing off your passion. Create a ebook, video course, or consulting service. Promote your product on your blog.

    From there you can take it further, but this is just a start!
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    • Profile picture of the author azmanar
      Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

      A lot of these "CPA Millionaires", especially on this forum, are lying and trying to get you to buy a coaching program. Pay them no mind. For you it's time to do a self inventory. What do you like? What can you write about? What can you crank out content on without hesitation?

      Start there.

      Start a blog, that should only cost $9 for a domain. You can host your blog free on blogger and use your domain there.

      Start cranking out content. Start cranking out Youtube videos. Start cranking out articles for ehow, articlebase, ezine, squidoo, hubpages. Link all these sites to your blog.

      Start monetizing off your passion. Create a ebook, video course, or consulting service. Promote your product on your blog.

      From there you can take it further, but this is just a start!
      Good advice Cash. I agree. Newbies like HSK and myself have to start from somewhere. Start cranking is THE right move.

      We hate mistakes but without making mistakes, we can't become better. If we can't become better, we can't achieve anything.

      The key point is being able to assess failure and regard that as a valuable experience. It'll make us a little wiser every time. Pick it up from there.

      Some people may be pushing their products. But why not. At least their guidelines will shorten the "trial and error" period for us newbies. Time passes very quickly and we can't afford to lose it.

      IMHO, I need to stick to a set of methods first to see results. If its proven to be good, I can step up. If it's not fruitful, I need to improvise or move on to another.

      The collection of TIPS in this thread are very practical. Its the best WSO. I've been putting them into practice and hope to start cranking some of the green stuff, properly.

      Lets rap:
      I don't need defeat,
      Don't you get it?
      I need traffic, every single hit,
      Get the green stuff at my feet,
      Making my life sweet.

      hehehe.
      PS: don't kill me
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    • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
      Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

      A lot of these "CPA Millionaires", especially on this forum, are lying and trying to get you to buy a coaching program.
      A lot of CPA, and hell, even internet marketing straddles the border of ethics too.

      You know the guy who made Facebook hacked into systems and served time? His idea was far from original. That shows the amount of drive you need to succeed in this business. Plenty of Facebook type scripts existed back in the day, now they are just tumbleweed on the information superhighway.

      The first training in internet marketing I had was to create bogus profiles of fat women on Facebook, and create a "lifestyle" where they post on the wall, make friends, tweet etc. Then they say how some weight loss CPA or Clickbank offer is changing their lives. I don't think I could pull myself to do that, giving false hope to very desperate people.

      I want to do article marketing, but what the hell do I know really know about a colon cleanse product? Or even some clickbank money making program that I never tried personally. Someone may be buying that product with their last dollar, and from the consensus here they probably will be very disappointed.

      The goal seems to create a BS review about some product I never used.

      I'm really searching for something that can truly add value....
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Originally Posted by Eager2SEO View Post

        I want to do article marketing, but what the hell do I know really know about a colon cleanse product? Or even some clickbank money making program that I never tried personally. Someone may be buying that product with their last dollar, and from the consensus here they probably will be very disappointed.

        The goal seems to create a BS review about some product I never used.

        I'm really searching for something that can truly add value....
        With article marketing you don't have to actually write a review of the product. You can write an article related to the product you are promoting then send people to a squeeze page through the resource box link.
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    • Profile picture of the author hsk2010
      Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

      A lot of these "CPA Millionaires", especially on this forum, are lying and trying to get you to buy a coaching program. Pay them no mind. For you it's time to do a self inventory. What do you like? What can you write about? What can you crank out content on without hesitation?

      Start there.

      Start a blog, that should only cost $9 for a domain. You can host your blog free on blogger and use your domain there.

      Start cranking out content. Start cranking out Youtube videos. Start cranking out articles for ehow, articlebase, ezine, squidoo, hubpages. Link all these sites to your blog.

      Start monetizing off your passion. Create a ebook, video course, or consulting service. Promote your product on your blog.

      From there you can take it further, but this is just a start!
      Its because of people like yourself that there is still hope in this world...thank you ever so much...I always thought one could make profits when he or she promoted ideas and products which SELL and are HOT in the market!! I had totally forgotten personal passion! I shall take this advice and definitely give it a go. Even in the worst case scenario if I do not get any responses-at least I would've tried and well its going to be fun for me because it would be something I am passionate about.
      Thank You so much
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    • Profile picture of the author hsk2010
      Lots and lots of valuable information here..I suppose in the next few weeks I should hopefully write a thread saying how this thread helped me achieve hope and success...

      Not giving up anymore...no more feeling of despair...Love you all loads (I have to get cheesy after all I am a woman

      Thank You all so much...Hana
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  • Profile picture of the author wpiercy
    why did i read through this whole thing?

    STEP 1 - STOP WHINING

    If you are feeling over whelmed, then step back and go back to reading WF. Obviously you have not learned enough.

    no LP = Direct Linking
    No $ = Spam Craigs List, write articles
    No hope = Get prozac
    No time = Adderall
    No excuses = Making Money

    There are no free handouts here, you either swim, sink, or go back to shore with your tail between your legs to observe how the other are successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevScarb
    Originally Posted by hsk2010 View Post

    I honestly dont know why they call CPA the millionaire makers when I couldnt even make $10 bucks.

    I tried email marketing- failed, outsourcing via Fiverr and odesk-Failed, do not have a website and all that jazz..

    I just didn't want to have to give up so soon..

    I wish there was someone who could teach me and get me back on track.

    Sorry if I sound so pessimistic..I was always criticized by parents and friends of spending to much time on useless things such as IM as people never make money online AND I wanted to prove them wrong-

    GUESS I LOST OUT FINALLY.....just feeling so much dispair
    I think a great many people get to the place you are now. So here is my 2 cents.

    First, don't think about cpa, as some special holy grail.. it isn't. Making money online comes down to a simple set of factors, that when combined correctly make you money.

    1 Traffic - Without traffic you can't convert, does not matter if that is CPA leads, clickbank products, or amazon products, no traffic = no money.

    2 Targeted traffic- The type of traffic that actually is a match for what you are promoting. 3000 stumble upon visitors are not going to make you money.

    3 Telling that targeted traffic about your offer in a way that will get them to take action , be that fill out a lead form, or get out their credit card, or just click on from a landing page to an offer.

    4 Conversions- Making sure what you promote has all the right elements that enable you to turn your targeted traffic into revenue for you.

    The first thing to learn is how to make $1 profit, focus on your first $10, not the first, $10,000, you have to learn to walk before you can run. I learnt that the hard way.

    Easiest way I know to make money online now ?... here it is for free.

    1 register for amazon affiliate program

    2 register exact match keyword domains for products.

    3 build wordpress sites for the products

    4 rinse and repeat.

    Even for this method, you need to at least understand keyword research, how to choose the right words to target. If you don't understand keyword research then CPA won't change that !

    Will what I mention above make you a fortune ? no it won't, but it will get you starting to make money within about 6 weeks, and once you know how to do that, you can build on it.

    many many people make money this way, it also provides you an education in how to sell. If you are not making money now, then I can tell you from my own experience that it is easier to sell to someone who is searching for " best power washer " than trying to convert and education lead.

    The one thing I learnt was if you want to be an internet marketer, you first have to learn how to market, then you need to learn how to market in the internet.

    I don't want to repeat myself, but I posted my own thread back in August that should give you some motivation.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/ad-netwo...hy-worked.html


    This game is not easy, and as I say, CPA is not some magic route to success. As you have found out yourself, if you don't understand the basics, it is hard to make money.

    Just remember you only fail when you quit.

    Best of luck.

    Kev
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  • Profile picture of the author zoeguy
    Originally Posted by InTheMaking View Post

    I started my first project about 2 weeks ago and now i'm making around 50 - 200 a day.. Just like that. Obviously I'm not going to out my way of making money or else everyone would be doing it...
    That "find more posts by" thingy can be real handy sometimes:

    Originally Posted by InTheMaking View Post

    My brother introduced me to Parked Domains when I was only 15 years old. When I was 17 years old I made a total of $52,000. It took me only about 13-15 months to make this with Domain Parking. I only spent maybe 2 hours a day if that working too. In fact, my average day in 3 weeks is anywhere from $20-$50.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...years-age.html
    Originally Posted by InTheMaking View Post

    I registered my first site of 5 total websites dedicated to trying adsense on May 16th (Just checked registrer) and within 20 days I've worked myself up to an average about $15/day.
    This just goes to show you how easy it is to rank websites with the right backlinking strategy and good on-page seo along with some good keyword research.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...y-already.html

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    • Profile picture of the author vj3660
      I think you have missed some steps .

      ***Advise: don't buy any tools till you make good amount from your first site.

      1.Learn how to do keyword search.Use google keyword tool
      To find a good niche ..look @ your environment,see what other people are buying.
      So u'll find a one.Find few good niches.

      2.Do a competitor a analysis.Select the niche with least competition

      3.Buy a .com domain (name cheap) host it in host gator blue host
      (im not promoting brands but above are very cheap otherwise u'll be a victim of marketing. Remember only to buy the domain which cost u around 9$.No other suggested services from them).Hosting will cost u 60$ per year for unlimited hosting.

      4.Make a wordpress site.

      5.Let it to rank in google.Then start to optimize it.Remeber u are not building
      the website to search engines..u are building it for people.
      6.Monotanize it
      7. Optimize content and get back links
      8.Let the google to do the rest. Or use on payed traffic.

      Then wait for the check
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Gilbert
    My motto is, "Don't give up. Try everything more than once."
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  • Profile picture of the author TEC
    I feel your pain! I have tried for over 10 years to make money online and spent thousands of dollars and FINALLY in the last 24 hours 9 CLICKBANK sales. You can do it to, you just have to get the right information. PM if you want to. Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Joyce Roettger
    I bought Choose Income a few days ago. I'm waiting to get approved in CPA networks. This thread has been very helpful and is inspiring to know that the OP did find success!
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonChoi
      Originally Posted by Joyce Roettger View Post

      I bought Choose Income a few days ago. I'm waiting to get approved in CPA networks. This thread has been very helpful and is inspiring to know that the OP did find success!
      This thread also helped me as well! I also bought Choose Income very recently and I'm going through the same process.

      As they say, 'Great minds think alike!'
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  • Profile picture of the author write27
    Originally Posted by hsk2010 View Post

    I honestly dont know why they call CPA the millionaire makers when I couldnt even make $10 bucks.

    I tried email marketing- failed, outsourcing via Fiverr and odesk-Failed, do not have a website and all that jazz..

    I just didn't want to have to give up so soon..

    I wish there was someone who could teach me and get me back on track.

    Sorry if I sound so pessimistic..I was always criticized by parents and friends of spending to much time on useless things such as IM as people never make money online AND I wanted to prove them wrong-

    GUESS I LOST OUT FINALLY.....just feeling so much dispair
    I'll put in my two cents. Don't soley focus on the money making aspect of IM; make sure you're doing what you love to do. For instance, if you like writing, focus on that part and outsource as much of the other stuff as you can afford to. If money were the only thing that motivated most of these successful Warriors, I don't think they would have made it to where they are.

    Put it in your head that you will succeed, that out of the billions of dollars/other currency in online transactions happening over the Internet, there is a portion of that reserved for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author hsk2010
    Well that was me a some time ago and now well as they say its all history

    I would say that the only way I did everything till now was with focus, determination and this feeling of hatred that rose in me, hatred for failing, hatred to lose...So I took this anger and rage towards being fairly successful and here I am

    We as humans have all the basic behavior patterns of feeling happy, sadness, rage etc and I suppose if you take negative qualities such as I did in my case with rage and direct it towards something positive-it always works out in the end

    and oh it also has made me fiercer-fully protective of my fellow IM who needs any advice, help or support
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    • Profile picture of the author richwiles42
      I was on the excited as hell thread, I missed your first WSO. I started a thread trying to find you, and someone replied back with chooseonline dot com. Found it, bought it with the OTO. I am going to implement the bonus tomorrow. I look forward to taking this CPA journey with you.
      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author lyricaldeb
    Hi Hana,
    Glad to hear from you.Haven't seen you on the forum all month.I hope that you will still be launching your WSO.

    Take Care,
    Debbie
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  • Profile picture of the author skwish
    i'm not sure i understand what's going on here.

    why is "hsk2010" writing about failing etc etc etc??? if you look at her previous posts, as in over a month ago... she's selling WSO's and making $500 a day? what the heck?

    is this the same person, or a joke? is the the real person? maybe that account's been hijacked...

    i think this is possible simply because this has happened to me on here and that's why i have this new account. meanwhile the other person still has my account, and i can't call them out because i'll get banned.

    ps. also take note the difference in writing styles.... hmm....

    (unless of course i'm totally tripping out!!)

    edit: i had an even closer look, and i don't think this is 'hana' at all. have a look at her profile and go through her previous threads started. interesting. doesn't write the same at all... not to mention all the advice and help she was giving others. and now she doesn't know what she's doing? doesn't sound right.
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    • Profile picture of the author jh81
      Originally Posted by skwish View Post

      i'm not sure i understand what's going on here.

      why is "hsk2010" writing about failing etc etc etc??? if you look at her previous posts, as in over a month ago... she's selling WSO's and making $500 a day? what the heck?

      is this the same person, or a joke? is the the real person? maybe that account's been hijacked...

      i think this is possible simply because this has happened to me on here and that's why i have this new account. meanwhile the other person still has my account, and i can't call them out because i'll get banned.

      ps. also take note the difference in writing styles.... hmm....

      (unless of course i'm totally tripping out!!)

      edit: i had an even closer look, and i don't think this is 'hana' at all. have a look at her profile and go through her previous threads started. interesting. doesn't write the same at all... not to mention all the advice and help she was giving others. and now she doesn't know what she's doing? doesn't sound right.

      If you look at the dates hana started this thread at the end of last year before she got successful and released her WSO
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      • Profile picture of the author skwish
        Originally Posted by jh81 View Post

        If you look at the dates hana started this thread at the end of last year before she got successful and released her WSO
        ohhh... ok then... well that's alright then. i was wondering what the heck was going on!

        but that explains it. i didn't even look at the date, i just assumed that it was recent.

        thanks for pointing it out!

        duh!
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain Planet
    At one point she is feeling defeat and on the other hand she is launching another WSO?? :S
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    The problem with the majority of the email submit offers is the relatively small payout, say anywhere from $1.50 to $2.50. They convert GREAT, but the payout is still small.

    I am ranking VERY HIGH for a good keyword for such an offer right now...but i still only make about $25-$30/day....with SEO there is not much more to get out due to the limited search volume of this keyword. (Even if its a fantastic keyword).

    The key would be to drive MASSIVE traffic eg. via PPV/media buys i think.

    My other plan is focusing on those "killer offers" which pay $400-$550 PER LEAD...i am still thinking about a strategy how to do that.
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