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Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post


switching a guarantee MID launch
That would not be so bad had the NEW guarantee was much BETTER than the old one, along with an overwhelming consensus by customers that it was INDEED a vast improvement.

Marketing 101:

If you change policies mid-stream, isn't it a common business no-brainer that the customers that bought under the terms of the OLD policy are honored BY the old policy they purchased under?

Don't usually above-board businesses usually thru multiple or duplicate channels of communication INSURE the customers understand and are contacted who bought under the previous conditions will be honored?

"ONE" example here among others of turning a simple task like this into unnecessary baggage, frustration, additional/needless customer service hours and complicating issues for the worst.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Olah View Post

Ebbi -

Are you saying you support Aymen and AC or do you just want everyone to stop Bi% about feeling ripped off on this thread?

How do you know that the Guru's weren't paid for their testimonials? They all sound very similar - Mabye it's just me?

Also, did you buy the Arbitrage Conspiracy program?

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I'm only stating my opinion on Aymen as a person... Don't forget that even
though his name is being used it's not like he's the only one running it and
profiting from it, just keep that in mind!
I started talking about Aymen not the AC, and I won't be talking about the
AC because I don't know enough about it!

I don't have a clue what his course is like because I haven't even bought it!!
Will I buy it? I don't know, maybe... maybe not!
I'm just saying that we should try to show some respect at least until we
see valid feedback from the course. Just imagine if someone here was
bashing Allan, Big Mike, Steve, Mike Filsaime, etc.......... It would have
made everything go crazy in here and honestly people would probably get
banned if they where posting negative statements without a solid proof.

Because people haven't heard about Aymen until few weeks ago they don't
trust him and I can understand that they don't... Also coming like this, un-
known to the IM community and asking for $10.000 and then $2000 will of
course make people angry... I was one of them, hell I did a background
check where I uncovered all his details! before I made the post public
I wasn't even sure if I was going to post it because I felt like I was attacking
Aymen personally... but I stated it many times that I was only uncovering
this because I wanted to warn people not to buy Aymen's product.

Aymen actually was pretty cool about all this and just asked me kindly to
at least remove his personal details and I made the decision to remove the
whole post... he never even asked me to remove the post because he didn't
care about it

Let's not turn this golden forum into something like DP... That would truly
be the biggest conspiracy! LOL

Take care

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Ok...

Didn't really answer my question, although it doesn't matter.

I don't care if AC is a good product or not.

It may be the best thing ever?

I just have a problem with the deceptive nature of the events surrounding this product.

1. My post was never published.

2. My emails have for the most part gone unanswered.

3. This program is targeting newbies that don't know any better yet. From the Sales copy:

If you aren't already making $50,000 to $100,000 per day, then this course is for you.

We've worked EXTREMELY hard to make sure this course will work regardless of your experience.

It doesn't matter if you've never made a dollar online ...or if you're already a multimillionaire internet entrepreneur... Joining this closed door private coaching will change your life forever.

Ebbi - You sound like a nice guy, my problem is not with you. You have to understand I am out $1,997 and not getting any answers from the people that have it.

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Lots of good commentary in this thread for sure...I for one really like CPA. I think it is a viable form of IM when properly tested, scaled and automated.

Do I think it can be learned in 12 weeks...yes I do.

Is this the program that will do it...dunno. From what I have read so far I am going to say it has more to do with Aymen establishing a CPA Network than anything.

The copy is good...over hyped but it will produce results. So from that perspective I think it is a job well done (this is strictly an subjective commentary on the function of good copy rather than the content of AC)

Content of the course...can't comment too much cause I haven't bought it but I remain skeptical. Doing CPA requires a truckload of cash...it's like building commercial real estate..big money in big money out. It's all relative and success boils down to traffic and ROI which is product of testing.

I look forward to reading some of the feedback from those who have given the 12 weeks an honest effort...and to be honest I hope it turns someone's life around....that would be really cool.

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I wonder if the course will provide software similar to LPGen for instance or do they expect us to have all these time-saving tools as prerequisites.
It seems like this whole thing was put together very sloppily. I don't know what to expect on Monday; do I need to set out specific time to do this stuff? What are we getting? Admittedly, I'm thinking more about refund, especially about hearing of the nonexistent customer service.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Olah View Post

Ok...

Didn't really answer my question, although it doesn't matter.

I don't care if AC is a good product or not.

It may be the best thing ever?

I just have a problem with the deceptive nature of the events surrounding this product.

1. My post was never published.

2. My emails have for the most part gone unanswered.

3. This program is targeting newbies that don't know any better yet. From the Sales copy:

If you aren't already making $50,000 to $100,000 per day, then this course is for you.

We've worked EXTREMELY hard to make sure this course will work regardless of your experience.

It doesn't matter if you've never made a dollar online ...or if you're already a multimillionaire internet entrepreneur... Joining this closed door private coaching will change your life forever.

Ebbi - You sound like a nice guy, my problem is not with you. You have to understand I am out $1,997 and not getting any answers from the people that have it.

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Hi Jeff...

I went over your posts here and now I see that you actually
bought the product. So if you want your money back I say
do what ever it takes man....

But I just want to point something else out that might get people
to understand the guarantee thing a little better!

I can't remember what the first sales copy stated about the refund
but some of you are saying that he was offering a 12 week guarantee
no matter what!!

First of all, if that was truly stated in the first place than everyone that
bought the product before they changed the sales copy have the right
to claim it like that. BUT you already know that it was a mistake!

Why?? because if the refund guarantee would last that long he would
have to hold all affiliate payments for 12 weeks meaning that almost no
guru would have promoted it... It's just not good business.
Even though you are the customer here you have to look at the business
site as well. I mean you're a marketer yourself.

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Good point -

Here is the first sales copy:

A 100% Money-Back Guarantee #1!

After you complete this 12 week training course, if you don't feel it was worth every single penny and more of your under $2,000 investment, I will refund every give you all your money back with absolutely no strings attached.
Ebbi - Stay cool, I will let you know if I get a refund.
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Okey... Because I felt your pain guys I actually talked to
Aymen to get this all sorted out ones in for all... I did the
stupid mistake to enter this thread again knowing exactly
what would happen... I would get involved and I haven't
even bought the product....

So I did this for you guys!
(I feel like I'm Aymen's cheerleader here.. uff....)

This is probably going to be my last post here, so here it is!

There are over thousands of support tickets unanswered at
this point but they are being answered one by one every
single minute of the day! There has been a increase in staff
today just to get through this. Some people have submitted
over 10 support tickets last 2 days and some even more!!
(one person!!! This is the type of person that thinks he/she
was the only customer)

You'll be glad to know that they have started to issue refunds!

Again it's not good business if a company doesn't try to solve the
problem before sending the refund. I know it stated no questions
asked but if you say you don't like that you have to pay for tools
and you want your refund right now it's pretty clear that they
might try to work something out if you truly want to stay!

I'm not saying they will do this, I'm just talking as if I was running
this business. I actually didn't ask Aymen this but I'm pretty sure
he won't be asking you any questions and just send you the money
right when your refund ticket get taken care of.

No, all the support tickets aren't even close to be all refunds if
someone was going to be clever and pop that one out and get every-
one pumped up again!


So there you have it... straight from the headquarters! where people
are working there asses of just to please you guys!

Take care fellow warriors!

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Start with support at arbitrageconspiracy dot com, and if they don't answer by Tuesday, drop me a note and I'll bring it up with them directly.


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Templar -

Can you help me out and find out from Aymen or Brad where I submit my request for a refund.

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You can report Google, Hewlett Packard, and Amazon to the FTC and get about the same result.

When a reputable, successful group of business professionals are running the company, they will respond in a professional manner, and take the steps to make everyone happy.

If anyone is uncertain about their purchase, just send in a refund request, and they will get to it as soon as they can. There haven't been too many launches in recent history where 600,000 potential buyers are involved...and there are a LOT of support tickets, many of which are complicated and need follow up work to resolve.

And the training is starting on Monday, so there is very little time to get a spot at the beginning of it all...

I remain extremely excited by this offer, this class, because nothing like it has been offered in the past.

I sat at the Altitude event when Eben did his head count of millionaire's, and out of that group of 500, there were >7 who claimed to make more than $50,000,000 per year...and all of them were completely unknown to me.

That got my attention.

And when Brad made the announcement of this program coming together, I didn't even hesitate...even when some respected contacts said "don't get it".

You see, I have worked with some of these guys, and the level of trust we have goes well beyond what most friends have, and I know for a fact that this is the real deal, and anyone that hops into this program and actually applies themselves will probably never see things the same way again.

Once you are exposed to the incredible amount of money exchanging hands online each day, and how easy it is to join in, and get some of it....well, it's hard to see things the same way again.

Once your bubble of consciousness gets expanded a little, you can't make it smaller.

Harlan has posted a very good comment in this thread, well worth reading...and it gives a good contrast between people who *know* what is going on, and the many many folks online who speculate, guess and assume stuff.

and as the email said...

"Only 1 more day till we welcome our new arbitrage marketers, so get ready for boot camp!"

Originally Posted by IMChick View Post

Absolutely unbelievable.

So, who will admit to being the first one to report these guys to the FTC?

Also, feel free to give Brad Fallon a jingle on his personal cell phone number that he posted in these forums in response to HIS company's latest launch debacle. I'm not very interested in what he has to say about this launch, his endorsement and the compensated-but-not-disclosed endorsements of his heavy-hitter greedy guru buddies, but putting them all on the hot seat and requesting an answer to a simple question has to be worth the wait.

And, oh, to those former 'gurus' that everyone looked to for cutting edge IM info, you guys blew it, it's over. Never again. You have hurt your industry beyond repair. (Get ready for your inbox to be spammed with the "I didn't endorse AC emails on Monday).

If you've publicly defended this launch or the AC team in the forum when you knew or should have know that the facts were not in your favor, ummm, well, your credibillty is gone and your reputation is shattered and you have no-one to blame but yourself.

Keep that list of dishonest greedy-guru paid endorsers handy, and make another list of those who did not recommend the product, and let that guide your future business decisions.

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I have signed up to this program (although I've only paid one third, yet). I did so because I had an email from Brad Callen who says that he's also signed up to the program. He was invited but didn't go to the event in Las Vegas.

I can't believe that gurus with reputations would promote this without thinking long and hard. But, if they're wrong, then we can all a) not buy from them again and b) loudly call on them to publicly atone for their sins and keep on calling until they do.

As for the screw-up of the launch - doesn't this always seem to happen? For example, I signed up to the Stompernet launch in Nov 2006. As I was paying my first month's instalment via my credit card the site crashed. I didn't know whether I had signed up or not. I got a breathless email saying wow, we're overwhelmed with demand, our server crashed, we'll get back to you, blah blah blah. It turns out I was signed up. A month later my credit card company contacted me to say that they had refused a suspicious payment which turns out to be Stompernet. I told them to pay it, which they did, but Stompernet's system refused it. I didn't do anything, waiting for them to contact me about non-payment. It never happened, and in the meantime I received an email asking me to confirm whether I was the person named in the email. I wasn't - it was someone else. It was clear that they had no idea who their members were! I enjoyed six months free membership of Stompernet before they cut me off for non-payment.

The same crash-on-launch happened with Mass Control, Product Launch Formula and one of Rich Schefren's courses. In each case they seemed totally unprepared for the work and effort to support a launch that they'd spent weeks leading up to. In one case, I was so p...d off by the chaos that I asked for a refund. I got it, but they sent me the course anyway.

I signed up for TAC because I want to break into CPA arbitrage. I'm not a total newbie because I've done Adwords/Adsense arbitrage (until Google banned me from Adsense!) but I know that CPA is cut-throat and difficult and I thought this course would give me a good grounding.

I'm going to give this a fair try. If it's a load of **** or it doesn't work out, I'll get a refund.

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Can anyone pass a message to Aymen for me?

I wish to take the course, But I have special payment considerations.

I have to respond by today, Sunday December 14th.

I'd really appreciate the help.

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What's going on here is known as buyer's remorse.

Instead of being excited about the program, due to the AC being overwhelmed, people are getting scared.

Instead of jumping on the AC I need a refund now bandwagon, I recommend waiting until at least the first session or two have been taught.

I would base a lot on those first two sessions.

Right now, the course starts tomorrow and no one knows when, what time, how, etc.

Again, not good.

But, give them a shot.

But if you are going to refund - do not go beyond the first session or two.

And the exact wording to use with your credit card company is "course is not as described."

And for the record, I bought the AC as well.

I'm getting into CPA as an advertiser as well as an affiliate so every bit of information will help.

If you don't know what you are doing, the CPA networks will rip you off.

Which is why I also bought Keith Baxter's the Dark Side of CPA course.

So calm down.

Give them a chance to prove what they've got or prove they don't have it.

I don't know Jerry West but he seems like a person of integrity. I'm not sure you can make a judgment on something with only 40 minutes of attention.

It's like judging a movie based only on the pre-credit sequence.

Let's watch this unfold.

But I assure you, if they are full of it - which I kind of doubt - I'll be asking for a refund as well.

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Ebbi, can you pass a message to Aymen for me, I want to take the course, I have work out pmt terms with him, I wish to send him a email. I have to respond by today.

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Ebbi, can you pass a message to Aymen for me, I want to take the course, I have work out pmt terms with him, I wish to send him a email. I have to respond by today.

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Hi Cisco,

I haven't even bought the product myself, and I'm not a part
of his support team even though it might look like it in few
posts. I'm trying to cut myself away from this thread because
it's taking to much time away from me

So let me just spare you the trouble... If you're not able to use
the Easy payment plan I don't believe that him or any of the
support members are going to be jumping through hoops for you.

But you can always try, so just use the support desk and wait
until they get to you. You never know, they might be able to
work something out for you. but don't hold your breath

Take care,

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You can see Aymen on Facebook. Search for Aymen B and ask to be his friend. I did that on Thursday and he added me as a friend on Friday. I think it's him because the photos and background look the same and he has a lot of high powered friends (Brad Fallon, Joel Comm, Yanik Silver, John Reese, Stephen Pierce etc, etc)

His FB profile looks fine and genuine. And I hear that Facebook is one of the places you can place CPA ads(?)

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Originally Posted by ste25 View Post

I think CPA stuff is overrated. The ROI is terrible compared to affiliate marketing or selling your own products and you have to constantly watch that you're not promoting expired offers.
You are entitled to your opinion and if you measure ROI in percentage, then YES, CPA is not good.

However, and a BIG however, is if you measure dollar amounts, nothing compares to having your own product or CPA.

You will have a very hard time selling $25M of clickbank products yearly. It is very possible with CPA using media buys.

Would you rather have 150% ROI on $1000 daily or 20% ROI on $100K daily?

That is the difference.
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Ebbi, You are an asset to this forum!
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I agree with you Harlan.

Provided they show me they're alive. As I stated earlier, if they're really that swamped they should hire some temps to help out with support. Even if their only job is to send personal emails that say nothing more than we've recieved your support request. And perhaps throw together some answers to some FAQ and send them out as well.

Any sense of "buyer's remorse" on my end was manufactured by AC's monumentally poor service.



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What's going on here is known as buyer's remorse.

Instead of being excited about the program, due to the AC being overwhelmed, people are getting scared.

Instead of jumping on the AC I need a refund now bandwagon, I recommend waiting until at least the first session or two have been taught.

I would base a lot on those first two sessions.

Right now, the course starts tomorrow and no one knows when, what time, how, etc.

Again, not good.

But, give them a shot.

But if you are going to refund - do not go beyond the first session or two.

And the exact wording to use with your credit card company is "course is not as described."

And for the record, I bought the AC as well.

I'm getting into CPA as an advertiser as well as an affiliate so every bit of information will help.

If you don't know what you are doing, the CPA networks will rip you off.

Which is why I also bought Keith Baxter's the Dark Side of CPA course.

So calm down.

Give them a chance to prove what they've got or prove they don't have it.

I don't know Jerry West but he seems like a person of integrity. I'm not sure you can make a judgment on something with only 40 minutes of attention.

It's like judging a movie based only on the pre-credit sequence.

Let's watch this unfold.

But I assure you, if they are full of it - which I kind of doubt - I'll be asking for a refund as well.

Peace.

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Okey... Because I felt your pain guys I actually talked to
Aymen to get this all sorted out ones in for all... I did the
stupid mistake to enter this thread again knowing exactly
what would happen... I would get involved and I haven't
even bought the product....

So I did this for you guys!
(I feel like I'm Aymen's cheerleader here.. uff....)

This is probably going to be my last post here, so here it is!

There are over thousands of support tickets unanswered at
this point but they are being answered one by one every
single minute of the day! There has been a increase in staff
today just to get through this. Some people have submitted
over 10 support tickets last 2 days and some even more!!
(one person!!! This is the type of person that thinks he/she
was the only customer)

You'll be glad to know that they have started to issue refunds!

Again it's not good business if a company doesn't try to solve the
problem before sending the refund. I know it stated no questions
asked but if you say you don't like that you have to pay for tools
and you want your refund right now it's pretty clear that they
might try to work something out if you truly want to stay!

I'm not saying they will do this, I'm just talking as if I was running
this business. I actually didn't ask Aymen this but I'm pretty sure
he won't be asking you any questions and just send you the money
right when your refund ticket get taken care of.

No, all the support tickets aren't even close to be all refunds if
someone was going to be clever and pop that one out and get every-
one pumped up again!


So there you have it... straight from the headquarters! where people
are working there asses of just to please you guys!

Take care fellow warriors!

Ebbi

so you believe everything aymen told you on the phone? (20 min conversation)
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I will probably regret posting this. I have no idea what the "AC" people are doing or not doing, what they intend or don't intend, etc. But...

1) It's a weekend. No banking stuff can happen until Monday anyway.
2) Everyone who takes on 2000 customers at once gets a large volume of email.
3) It's hard to staff up for a 3-day burst of support emails, so few try.
4) About 50% of the emails they get won't contain enough info to identify the sender.

Anyone who freaks out and sends six, 10, 39, or 142 emails accomplishes nothing but slowing down the response time for everyone. Don't freak out - it shortens your life and that's about all it does. Act like you've done this before. They probably got the first email. It's probably in a queue, quietly waiting its turn.

While your email is waiting quietly, you could be working on your business or playing with your kids. If you don't get an answer after a few business days, you can email again.

The amazing free secret to getting better email support from anyone:
Send one email. It's nice if it's from the same email address that you gave them when you ordered but if not, include that email address in the message. Include other relevant information that could help them identify you. Just ask your question or tell them what you need, without emotional 3000-word rants. They have to read every word, just in case you snuck in something relevant halfway through your rant, but the more words you write, the more likely it is that they will miss the important words.

It's possible that they spent all this money, put on a seminar, did a big old launch, and all that, just so they could take your money and flee to international waters... but it's very unlikely. It is more likely that they intend to give you exactly what you bought.

Remember, you are in control a lot more than THEY are. The credit card company, your bank, whoever, does not work for THEM, they work for YOU. If it becomes necessary to get a refund, it will probably be very easy. If you are trying to get a refund mere hours after buying stuff, you are probably a little too quick on the buy button.

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Great advice - The fundamental problem here is in the last line of your post - they haven't communicated the basic information at all. If they had, they would probably not have so many emails.
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That's a good enough reply for me..I'll sleep at night now knowing that I made a decent judgement on this one..
I'll let you all know how things go with AC
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Finally got word from AC:

"The OFFICIAL Week one will begin in January,
however there is a TON of stuff we need you
to learn NOW to get all prepped and ready for
class in the new year.

Much of this content will allow you to begin
with the methodology right away..."


We'll get our logins/passwords tomorrow

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From the AC blog Today -

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Ben Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
lifetime membership, does that imply that there are monthly fees??? if so how much are they? need to budget tight before the ball starts snowballing…

The 18 weeks covers the whole process, there might be updates fees, but there’s no upsell or nothing we charge for more than the membership. This is not the regular guru marketing product.


James - I guess Aymen wasn't completely straight with you when he said there were no monthly fees - He just calls them "updates fees"?

So now it's 18 weeks? Wow did not see that in the sales copy either.

and "there might be updates fees? What does that even mean?

I guess those of you that have jumped ship and asked for a refund feel relieved.

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Hmm, a red flag just went up:

In the original welcome email:

You are in for an exciting 12 weeks!
So get ready... it all begins next
Monday (December 15, 2008)!
Now it begins in January.

The OFFICIAL Week one will begin in January,
however there is a TON of stuff we need you
to learn NOW to get all prepped and ready for
class in the new year.
WTF? In January ... when in January? What happened to Dec 15th?

This obviously is a last minute delay indicating the AC course is not ready yet and more time is needed to deliver what was promised in the marketing.

I'd recommend keeping all your emails from AC. Hopefully this will turn out ok but this latest is another indicator things are not quite right.
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Ok, the launch, lack of timely updates, those “greedy gurus” promoting the course, slow response, over hyped sales letter – all this sucks.

Now, Aymen and his partner Emmanuel were in our private forum for over 1.5 years, they are real; they are very good people, very knowledgeable and making a lot of money.

This CPA biz in NOT for newbies and it is NOT for people without money. It requires a lot of testing and hard work.

Only 5% of offers will give you good results, you have to test 200 offers to get success with 10.

So you have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars and time to find the gold.

If you have the right TOOLS, testing, optimization and tracking process will be easier and faster.

Those tools can cost you several hundred dollars or more; it’s obvious, it’s part of the business.

More, you will get paid for successful offers in weeks or months, not overnight.

Your return on successful offers could be from 50% to 400%. Let’s assume 100%.
So once you figured out the whole process, you spend $1,000 a day, your revenue could be $2,000 a day payable in a month or so, and you made profit of $1,000.

So I don’t see point of the whole debate and whining here.
If it is not for you, don’t buy it or get refund.

It Is NOT for Everybody.

If you have already experience or results and you are committed to work hard and follow the instructions, then start opening CPA accounts and testing the offers now.

So besides the $2k for the course, have several thousand $ ready and go for it. In 6 months you could be making few thousand $ a day.
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I have a couple questions for some of you pro's in this thread.

I understand you can, build up to the point of using paid traffic (CPA/PPC), until that point you can use "free" traffic methods to raise necessary working capital, that's actually a question?

I have some incredible products to market, my own, some hard, some info based. I plan to market those online, to raise capital for the course, then move on with it. I know online is the way to go, especially info product -that offers REAL value and benefits for the user. That's all in all my goal. I have about 20 years experience successfully running an offline business. I am learning IM now.

I'm actually in a foreign country, starting over on a shoestring!
That said, is this realistic?

Obviously I'm new to IM.

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What do you think about this free report?

Makes me wonder are the CPA companies themselves "middlemen" for the big corporations?

Aren't they already practicing arbitrage?...Big corporations pay them, so they pay us less, and in turn, CPA companies make a profit. They simply set up a pay system and tools, we do all their work for them.

Aren't CPA companies really a select, small group of Super-Mega Affiliates or Middlemen for the corporations and simply recruiting MORE affiliates for themselves in addition to offers directly to regular folk?

So what would be stopping or preventing anyone to start-up, and create their own CPA network company and deal direct with the corporations themselves, cutting them out as middlemen or the privaledged few affiliates recruiting multitudes of affiliates doing their work for them?

Overwhelming Logistics? You have to prove something or show something to the Big Corporations before they even talk to you directly and give you the same deal?

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I thought the report was very informative. I also think it's important to test the waters first and get some good arbitrage success under your belt before pursuing work with larger corporations. I believe you really will need to show valid proof of your success with this method before you can even get the attention of large corporations. Having previously worked in corporate america for many years I know that proposals are not seriously considered if there is not a solid plan and/or a good history of success using the methods you are pitching. Also, nowadays many corporations are removing or eliminating small partnership opportunities (with individuals) and are instead working with approved strategic partners for better economies of scale.

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Ok, the launch, lack of timely updates, those “greedy gurus” promoting the course, slow response, over hyped sales letter – all this sucks.

Now, Aymen and his partner Emmanuel were in our private forum for over 1.5 years, they are real; they are very good people, very knowledgeable and making a lot of money.

This CPA biz in NOT for newbies and it is NOT for people without money. It requires a lot of testing and hard work.

Only 5% of offers will give you good results, you have to test 200 offers to get success with 10.

So you have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars and time to find the gold.
Thinking about this launch and the sales process I didn't like it from the beginning because the pre-launch content looked like a lot of hype and zero substance. IT was basically one video with testimonials and then a sales letter disguised as a "report." A lot of other launches we see give the potential customer much more content and build more credibility. You can tell they put a lot of time putting together their sales messages and that usually means they put time into making the content. This has all the look of a one hit wonder.

Now to me it looked like hype and something to stay away from, but obviously there are people who bought it. We have no idea how many right now, but let's just assume it was a success as far as number of sales they wanted goes.

Why did it succeed?

To me the success came just the sales letter - the report - and that report was geared totally to newbies. Here is the deal this CPA stuff and PPC is not rocket science. Anyone can learn it in an afternoon and there are plenty of much cheaper courses that you can buy about it. It does not take time to learn at all.

The problem is that it takes work. It is like google adwords. You can't just stick up a bunch of ads and make money. There is a simple process to it that you can teach anyone in 30 minutes - but they have to test the ads to find what works. And then keep on testing to constantly try to improve. IT does take money, but someone could start small and build from there.

Same thing with CPA. You don't really need 100k to make a lot of money. But you will at some point need to spend that type of money to get the type of figures they claimed. You can start small and scale out. PRobably 10k would be a good enougn investment to start out.

But you could do all of this without buying this 2k course, because it is not hard at all to learn and the information is pretty simple. You could probably find it all just for free right here in the warrior forum threads.

What made this launch work in regards to getting people to buy it was the report sales letter. Anyone who has experience in ppc or cpa would not get excited after reading that sales report because it was just basic info. It was really designed to get into the minds of new people and hype them up.

And it apparently worked. Problem is now there doesn't seem to be a course yet. Either that or they haven't hit the sales targets they wanted and are going to just keep on selling it until they make the money they want.

If this is still up for sale in the next day or two we'll know that they are just trying to get more sales. When these launches work the sales pages don't stay up for long. This one is already up longer than I had expected.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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Sounds like you are planning to launch your cpa course soon...


Still, just a few big insights will more than pay the tuition of this course, so even a master of cpa could get this course and double their income...

In fact, a few of my students are already making 5 figures in cpa, and they got AC to boost it to 6-figures, 7-figures per month and beyond.

Class starts today...anyone else that wants in still has time.

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But you could do all of this without buying this 2k course, because it is not hard at all to learn and the information is pretty simple. You could probably find it all just for free right here in the warrior forum threads.

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Originally Posted by templar View Post

Sounds like you are planning to launch your cpa course soon...


Still, just a few big insights will more than pay the tuition of this course, so even a master of cpa could get this course and double their income...

In fact, a few of my students are already making 5 figures in cpa, and they got AC to boost it to 6-figures, 7-figures per month and beyond.

Class starts today...anyone else that wants in still has time.
No I do not sell IM products and have no plan to ever sell them. A few people who bought the course said that they got an email saying it actually doesn't start until January. Sounds like you are trying to pimp your affiliate link some more.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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Why the big upset?
James,

Did you lose your BS detector?

A lot of these guys are just bad actors

And the lack of support is stunning! In a lot of other markets, this level of support would put you out of business.

I used to work with a small business (internet company) that was pushing over 1 million dollars of products out the door a day (during certain months). And it was a lot of product not just price.

We had problems keeping up with support, but at least we had communication lines open for people for support. Marketing is for getting customers. Customer service keeps them. The company almost lost its reputation due to poor customer service (they grew way too fast), but they stepped their game up.

"If you make customers unhappy in the physical world, they might each tell 6 friends.
If you make customers unhappy on the Internet, they can each tell 6,000 friends.
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"There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else."

"The two most important words I ever wrote were on that first Wal-Mart sign, ‘Satisfaction Guaranteed’. They're still up there, and they have made all the difference.
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If you're running a business- and you have an unsatisfied customer ( like now) , you're doing something wrong.

Its not the customers fault, these guys are clowns, lol

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Are you going to tell me that all these "gurus" that gave there testimonials
where paid to talk in front of the cam?... COMMON people you know that's
They were probably given a script too, lol

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Marketing 101:

If you change policies mid-stream, isn't it a common business no-brainer that the customers that bought under the terms of the OLD policy are honored BY the old policy they purchased under?
That should be Common Sense 101- DON'T CHANGE THE GUARANTEE during your launch. They look like amateurs trying to scam people.

Just because they are "celebrity status" we should automatically trust these people?

Originally Posted by templar View Post

You can report Google, Hewlett Packard, and Amazon to the FTC and get about the same result.

Once your bubble of consciousness gets expanded a little, you can't make it smaller.
I would report these guys to the Attorney General if need be, but I'm sure they will honor the refunds.

And once you're consciousness is expanded even further- you'll stop relying on these clowns for advice.

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Any sense of "buyer's remorse" on my end was manufactured by AC's monumentally poor service.
Yeah, its not your fault Lance..

Unsatisfactory customer support (and lots of excuses) and now its buyers remorse... Of course there is buyers remorse when you see the shady tactics and the terrible support...

Anyone with Common Sense can see the shady tactics.

And what Harlan mentioned is correct, buyers remorse.

Are we to expect these TOP level marketers don't understand buyer psychology and know how to set up a successful launch to almost eliminate any buyers remorse?

Are these guys SO DISCONNECTED that they can't see how they are cutting there own throats?

They may not be con artists, but why would I want to deal with Amateurs?

They make 100k a day? Am I suppose to be impressed? lol

Maybe I should sell the secret my friends billionaire investor uses?

I could partner with the gurus! I don't see these gurus pushing any products by a Billionaire- so that's a nice USP
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Why did it succeed?

Originally Posted by from thier sales headline

Amazing Secret Discovered By A 25 Year Old "Non Guru" Shows You How To Make $50,000 to $100,000 Per Day Without A Website, Product, Sales Copy Or Email List!
Anytime you put huge daily numbers like that and promise to show anyone with a heartbeat how to do it, you will get a ton of sales. The only problem is it's only 0.0000001% will ever achieve that level of profit per day. There are several reasons the majority will fail:

1.) Lack of work ethic necessary to do even close to those numbers.
2.) They bought the product because it's advertising a "magic pill" and that's a hot button for all on the search for the "missing link" that doesn't exist. When they see how much work that really takes, they will quit and buy the next big launch that promises the world.
3.) Lack of credit to do even near these numbers, (do you have $200k available on your credit line DAILY?), not many people do.
4.) Buying all the software needed to get near this level will put newbies even further in the hole. You should only buy extra software after you've made your first profit, NOT before you make any.
5.) Totally unrealistic expectations have been set, ie the bar is now too high. People who do this and make $1,000 per day will think they're failures when in reality they are making more then 90% of people online right now.

One last thing I wanted to toss out there is this. If their support is this far behind for the launch, do you really think it's going to magically turn around once the program gets underway? If they can't handle 1,000 emails in a day, then they're going to have a ton of unhappy customers, (who will all have a ton of questions daily), on their hands. I hope they get it turned around because I'm getting pms and emails on this program and it's not mine nor did I buy it.

The best way to succeed in ppc to cpa is to test, test and test some more.


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Cisco,

This has two questions, so let me answer both:

1. yes, you can use free traffic to drive people to cpa offers....IF AND ONLY IF they do not disallow Search-SEO. Some offers actually do disallow any seo attempts to drive traffic, but the others let you get visitors this way.

2. You have incredible products? Strange you are not rich, then...but let's continue...if you have some plans to market your products (you need to market them, of course). The absolute best way to get sales going if you are new to IM is to writer a killer sales letter, introduce your marketing funnel (free content, follow up, develop relationship, then send to killer sales letter, with some cialdini mixed in for good measure)...and once you got that down, then go find some jv partners who want to do some deals with you...email swaps, autoresponder swaps, help me now-i help you later when my list is big, and so on...you can grow to a six figure business if you have a killer product and a few good jv partners.

Just remember that dreams alone do not make a millionaire...you need action...massive action, and unless you are flat out busy, you probably are not doing everything you really should be doing.

Now is a great time to start.

My course starts tomorrow, but if all this is a little overwhelming, jedi wealth covers it all in great detail.

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I have a couple questions for some of you pro's in this thread.

I understand you can, build up to the point of using paid traffic (CPA/PPC), until that point you can use "free" traffic methods to raise necessary working capital, that's actually a question?

I have some incredible products to market, my own, some hard, some info based. I plan to market those online, to raise capital for the course, then move on with it. I know online is the way to go, especially info product -that offers REAL value and benefits for the user. That's all in all my goal. I have about 20 years experience successfully running an offline business. I am learning IM now.
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One last thing I wanted to toss out there is this. If their support is this far behind for the launch, do you really think it's going to magically turn around once the program gets underway? If they can't handle 1,000 emails in a day, then they're going to have a ton of unhappy customers, (who will all have a ton of questions daily), on their hands. I hope they get it turned around because I'm getting pms and emails on this program and it's not mine nor did I buy it
Well said PPC

Getting customers and keeping customers are 2 different ball games

And it shows they don't know the difference or seem to care about keeping customers
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It would be very difficult to go through this forum, or the web, and pick out the winning ideas and discard all the incorrect information. That's one of the reason's I and many others are members of AC now...golden information, all laser focused, and directly actionable.

Here's a video for anyone who is new to CPA or would like an insight into the world of CPA wealth and how it works.

CPA Training Video

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No I do not sell IM products and have no plan to ever sell them. A few people who bought the course said that they got an email saying it actually doesn't start until January. Sounds like you are trying to pimp your affiliate link some more.

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Originally Posted by templar View Post

It would be very difficult to go through this forum, or the web, and pick out the winning ideas and discard all the incorrect information. That's one of the reason's I and many others are members of AC now...golden information, all laser focused, and directly actionable.

Here's a video for anyone who is new to CPA or would like an insight into the world of CPA wealth and how it works.

REMOVED PROMOTIONAL LINK WITH COOKIE DROP
Templar your affiliate promotion link in your post looks like it DROPS A COOKIE.

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When things go wrong it's either a cock-up or a conspiracy. So which is TAC?

I don't think this is a conspiracy to defraud. I genuinely think this is a cock-up - that is, the people organizing it are too inexperienced to engineer an efficient product launch. But, as mentioned before, these high profile launches are often very shambolic and I'm too cynical to be surprised by this one.

What I am very disappointed about is that it isn't starting today, as had been promised. I cleared my desk yesterday so that I could devote all of today to my first lesson and I'm now sitting here like a lemon finding other stuff to do(!)

And if there is a delay in starting the course I shall expect the guarantee period to be extended. If the course doesn't start till some time in January that's 20 days from now and so the guarantee should start from when the course starts.

Sigh...

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James,

Can you check? I cleared my cookies, loaded the video, and it loaded ok without cookies.

CPA Training Video

I will re-render it if there's a problem (besides being long).

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Templar your affiliate promotion link in your post looks like it DROPS A COOKIE.

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When things go wrong it's either a cock-up or a conspiracy. So which is TAC?

What I am very disappointed about is that it isn't starting today, as had been promised. I cleared my desk yesterday so that I could devote all of today to my first lesson and I'm now sitting here like a lemon finding other stuff to do(!)

And if there is a delay in starting the course I shall expect the guarantee period to be extended. If the course doesn't start till some time in January that's 20 days from now and so the guarantee should start from when the course starts.

Sigh...

Sarah
Maybe it is starting today, although you all got the email saying it was now delayed until January I just got this one an hour ago from conspiracy arbitrage saying to buy today because the class was going to start today. If the class isn't starting today then sending this email is totally sleazy as it is a lie. Read the last two paragraphs, hopefully it means it is starting today, if not these guys have no shame:

"Hard to believe, but 533,000 people in the US lost their jobs in
November, the trend will be the same in many other
countries, I'm certain of that.

That's 533,000 families who just took a very hard hit.

Think of the fear, the uncertainty, the anger, and the
humble realization that these people are now coming to
grips with...

...these individuals may need to consider themselves lucky
now if they can find even an undesirable job, that pays
much less money, just to survive in this climate!

>>>LET ME SHOW YOU HOW TO AVOID THIS

I've personally known hardship, so I understand that knot
in the stomach and quiet suffering that can accompany
financial uncertainty. It's horrible.

Right now we are entering the most financially uncertain
period in modern history.

The current global economic meltdown and impending world
financial crisis is probably the biggest single threat
to your financial future. (I say impending because I
truly believe the crisis hasn't even fully hit yet!)

Just 12 months ago, who would have thought giants
like GM, Citibank, etc. would be almost "extinct",
and all those people who think they have good secure
jobs with companies like this would be so much at risk!

The obvious question is...

WHAT'S THE MOST POWERFUL THING YOU CAN DO
FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR-FAMILY TO STAY SAFE?

You need a powerful and proven "Plan B"

>>>I HAVE YOUR ANSWER

You need a skill that will be one of the most sought after
and needed, even during hard times, and that pays you
handsomely.

You need a skill which allows YOU to control your own
income, that only depends on your own efforts, without
being reliant on anyone else.

I have such a skill, and I'm more than safe. I'm
actually making MORE MONEY now, not less!

This skill I have is extremely valuable and it isn't hard
to learn... in fact, a few weeks ago, I shared what
I know with over 150 of the best online marketers on the
planet (in Las Vegas), and it even blew their socks off!

You know why?

Because ANYONE can do it, and because it has the power to
make so much money, so quickly.

Sure, you are not going to earn $50k to $100k a day like I
do right off the bat...

...but *ANYONE* can generate $100, $200 or $300 a day (and
growing) within a month of getting started with traffic
arbitrage the way I teach it. And, yes, even sooner
than a month is also very real!

===================================
before the chance is gone:
>>>Come See What Everyone Is Talking About
===================================

HERE'S WHY THIS LIFE SKILL WILL LAST "FOREVER"

There are certain income generating skills that simply beat
all others.

Look at Warren Buffet for example. He knows how to invest.
You can be pretty sure that irrespective of the market
conditions, he'll make profits.

Knowledgeable investing makes this possible. It's a skill
that will serve you forever.

Arbitrage is exactly the same. Here's why...

All we do in arbitrage is go out and get "traffic" cheaply
and send it to an offer from a company (who already knows
what a visitor is worth to them) for a higher price.

There will always be people looking for information and
solutions online, and there will always be companies who
these people to visit their website, and will pay for
the privilege.

THE CONCEPT IS VERY SIMPLE...

We become very skilled in acquiring the visitor for a
small fee, and send that visitor on to an offer that pays
us more.

It's a very specialized, yet very simple skill, and if you
are prepared to learn it, exactly as we teach you, and
apply yourself, you can become wealthy.

There are literally thousands and thousands of ways to
make excellent money with this skill!

THIS IS A VERY POWERFUL "PLAN B"

If you have no 'Plan B' for your families income, then you
are at the mercy of this runaway economy.

I invite you to regain full control of your financial
future:

>>>Here are the details
In fact, arbitrage is, in my opinion, the simplest and
most powerful life changing cash generation skill in
the world today.

Here's why...

* You can start with very little investment, literally a
few hundred dollars

* It's a completely portable business, you can work in your home,
or anywhere you want to as long as you have a computer
an internet connection

* You don't need any employees

* You have "no" fixed costs

* You can work as much or as little as you choose

* There is a non stop supply of new offers (so you can
never be too late to get started)

* It is incredibly scalable (I regularly make up to $100k
a DAY, how's that for scalability!)

* You don't need any technical skills you normally need to
run an online business (you don't need to learn ftp, copy
writing, sales skills, web design, cgi installtion, shopping
cart and merchant account set up), everything you need to know
is very simple and easy to do, and ANYONE can learn it.

* Anyone can do it, male or female, any age (15 or 85), with
previous success or not, it doesn't matter where you live.
Google, MSN, Yahoo and the other engines will send the visitor
you pay for to the offer, and the company will pay you, plain
and simple

YOUR LAST CHANCE?

Does this sound too good to be true?

This business is real, it exists and it's going to get
bigger, whether you decide to get involved or not.

The only question is, will you take this chance or
will you let it pass by?

ARBITRAGE CONSPIRACY DANGERS

Right now, you can still order my course, and learn
directly from me, because while this is (in my opinion)
the best business in the world, it has dangers, and you
need coaching.

See the details of what's included.

IT'S FULLY *Guaranteed*

I know that right now the price may SEEM expensive, and
I understand. That's why I will assume ALL THE RISK for you.

*Guarantee 1*: If for any reason in the first 30 days you
don't see the obvious value in this training, simply
contact us for an immediate refund.


*Guarantee 2*: If after following our entire 12 week system
step by step, creating an average of 2 campaigns a day
(approx 30 minutes each once you perfect the process),
and you still haven't covered your cost for the
course, simply send us your logins to verify the campaigns
and revenues, and we'll refund you every single penny PLUS
send you an EXTRA $500!

And you'll still have all the knowledge anyway!

WHAT'S YOUR PLAN B?

If you don't choose this as your plan B, then
what will you choose? Seriously... try and stack up ANY
other business model with the points I mentioned above.

Don't miss out.

>>>Here are the details

Best Wishes,
Aymen

PS: The doors to the training class open TODAY! So make
sure you get in now to start on time!

PPS: We expect to reach our limit that we can comfortably
train, and close the doors very soon, with LITTLE OR NO NOTICE.
So make sure you read the details of what's involved and then
decide quickly:

>>>Come See For Yourself"

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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Can you check? I cleared my cookies, loaded the video, and it loaded ok without cookies.

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I will re-render it if there's a problem (besides being long).
yes - that has cleared it - the cookie and your xtreme conversions code have gone now.

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I have a couple questions for some of you pro's in this thread.

I understand you can, build up to the point of using paid traffic (CPA/PPC), until that point you can use "free" traffic methods to raise necessary working capital, that's actually a question?

I have some incredible products to market, my own, some hard, some info based. I plan to market those online, to raise capital for the course, then move on with it. I know online is the way to go, especially info product -that offers REAL value and benefits for the user. That's all in all my goal. I have about 20 years experience successfully running an offline business. I am learning IM now.

I'm actually in a foreign country, starting over on a shoestring!
That said, is this realistic?

Obviously I'm new to IM.

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This makes no sense to me.

If you have even 1 good product that's yours, is unique, and you can sell, then you're better off as a merchant and not an affiliate.

Sure you could join AC but not for the same reasons. i.e. not to be an affiliate.

I would do it only as a way to buy your way to Aymen's network so you understand the system and get all his students to promote *your* product.

I sent an email to my list about this idea a few days ago. The email copy is here, in case
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Yes, I would sell my own products as profitably as possible, raise capital and develop additional income streams, online.
I believe that there's a possibility that Aymen has a strong system, I haven't seen it, nor has anyone else, but we'll see, hopefully....

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Thanks for the reply Peter.

Yes, I would sell my own products as profitably as possible, raise capital and develop additional income streams, online.
I believe that there's a possibility that Aymen has a strong system, I haven't seen it, nor has anyone else, but we'll see, hopefully....

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It's iteresting to see Anthony in person, and hear how he got to know Aymen. How did you get to know Anthony?

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Well, it's 5 pm here on the East Coast of the US and no email, no login credentials.

Pathetic ...
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I have used that technique to successfully earn extra cash with promoting launches! (Works great on normal launches that starts on time )
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It's nearly 6PM East coast time.

They are still selling the AC but people who bought are expecting "something" today we were told.

I'm betting it will just be a board. We will get a log in and password.

They will tell us to go ahead and become affiliates of the major CPA networks.

There may be some suggestions on PPC.

Anyone else got any predictions?

Can't believe they didn't manage this correctly.

I give them a week or two and they will be hit with massive refunds.

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Anyone else got any predictions?
I'm starting to wonder if the email with log in instructions will show up today.


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Can't believe they didn't manage this correctly.
No kidding. Not only does it impact this product, but I'd say it will also have an effect on the CPA network when they launch it.

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I give them a week or two and they will be hit with massive refunds.
It may be sooner than that. Depends on what they deliver in the member's area. But it better be GOOD because I don't think there's an abundance of patience for these guys anymore.

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