The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

Harlan · 17th Dec 2008, 09:07 PM

They continue to blow it.

The scheduled a webinar but tell people to call in early because they
may not be able to get everyone on the call?

You mean, we paid the money but may not be able to participate?

Lovely,

Simply lovely.

vic_msn · 17th Dec 2008, 10:14 PM

I received a mail from a guy named "Admin" quoting
he was behind the launch of AC and plugged a link to a video to increase earnings by 500%. I didn't watch the video though.
wondering how he got my email.
I never opted-in to this guy's mailings :confused:

amirla84 · 18th Dec 2008, 12:25 AM

Here is the current Leader Board . . .

Shawn Casey 117

Mike Filsaime 90
Keith Baxter 89
Buck Rizvi 83
Michael Cheney 81
Tim Warnock 80
Brad Callen 65
JasonCox 54
Jordan Hall 49
Brian Johnson 37
Satyajit Das 27
James Schramko 26
Joseph LeKostaj 26
Dennis Karganilla 26
Joel Comm 23
Ryan Lee 21
Ryan Deiss 20
Shiyou Li 17
Michael Sciuto 17
Albert Steven 17
Rhea Perry 16
Scott Marlow 15
Bob Serling 14
Gary Ambrose 13

amirla84 · 18th Dec 2008, 12:27 AM

The total sales are already more than $3.5 Million – and
we haven't started the Shock & Awe Bonuses which will
begin next week!

Thanks to you, this may be the biggest product launch of the year!

amirla84 · 18th Dec 2008, 12:29 AM

"And Here's How You Can Make Even More Money – Fast!

The best news is that we're not even close to done, and you still
have the chance to make a lot more money.

And next week we will start promoting the amazing bonus packages
that we will have ready for you to offer your list."

i thought they were gonna take down the sales page on monday? now they are not even close to being done? i would never ever deal with such a liar.

M3C · 18th Dec 2008, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by James Schramko

Your IP would be the same between the two but your ISP may rotate IP's at varying sessions like mine does.... it would bot be an issue.

As pointed out they are looking to protect themselves from sharing with others. This is fair for the people who invest.

Your IP would be the same at his coffee shop as his home, er nope, but I get what your trying to say.

Your IP will be different at both venues, infact It might well not even be on the same subnet as you may have different ISP's depending on where you decide to login from, some people may still work a day job and connect from work, whilist using their home ISP once they get back to chez internet marketer.

So the threat of being banned is utterly moot and not policeable in any shape form or fashion.

I have no issue with them looking to protect themselves, I'm just here to point out BS which the threat of banning is, because it is 100% completely unenforcable.

M3C · 18th Dec 2008, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by amirla84

Here is the current Leader Board . . .

Shawn Casey 117

Mike Filsaime 90
Keith Baxter 89
Buck Rizvi 83
Michael Cheney 81
Tim Warnock 80
Brad Callen 65
JasonCox 54
Jordan Hall 49
Brian Johnson 37
Satyajit Das 27
James Schramko 26
Joseph LeKostaj 26
Dennis Karganilla 26
Joel Comm 23
Ryan Lee 21
Ryan Deiss 20
Shiyou Li 17
Michael Sciuto 17
Albert Steven 17
Rhea Perry 16
Scott Marlow 15
Bob Serling 14
Gary Ambrose 13

Good work James, been worth the flack.

nobodyspecial · 18th Dec 2008, 03:19 AM

Well, assuming those numbers are fact, there's a few more than the 700 limit mentioned in the promotional marketing.

Wow, these guys continue to misrepresent ... WORD!

M3C · 18th Dec 2008, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

Well, assuming those numbers are fact, there's a few more than the 700 limit mentioned in the promotional marketing.

Wow, these guys continue to misrepresent ... WORD!

Only 700 copies, - yawn scarcity tactic - newby thinks - "must purchase now" = profit.

M3C · 18th Dec 2008, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by Harlan

You mean, we paid the money but may not be able to participate?

Lovely,

Simply lovely.

God you customer people are a pain, with your "we paid and we actually want the program we paid for"..

Can't you just be happy we allowed you to purchase our super duper wuper program.

Aymen.

James Schramko · 18th Dec 2008, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Your IP would be the same at his coffee shop as his home, er nope, but I get what your trying to say.

Your IP will be different at both venues, infact It might well not even be on the same subnet as you may have different ISP's depending on where you decide to login from, some people may still work a day job and connect from work, whilist using their home ISP once they get back to chez internet marketer.

So the threat of being banned is utterly moot and not policeable in any shape form or fashion.

I have no issue with them looking to protect themselves, I'm just here to point out BS which the threat of banning is, because it is 100% completely unenforcable.

Good catch - I was referring to the laptop/computer at home question - missed the bit about the coffee shop.

I notice in my shopping cart when I check suspicious transactions some people attempt to download products over 200 times indicating the possibility that they may have shared the download link. At least they are pointing out that it is not permitted. It's quite disappointing when criminals have intent to steal from you.

M3C · 18th Dec 2008, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by docmatt

I am seriously enjoying the Simonisms - Please keep them coming-

I'm pretty much out, I'm only fun for 20 minutes, amazed the wife has hung around this long.

tradermike2008 · 18th Dec 2008, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Good work James, been worth the flack.

So he's made like 20k+ by pimping his affliate link in the forum?

M3C · 18th Dec 2008, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by tradermike2008

So he's made like 20k+ by pimping his affliate link in the forum?

Not a clue what promotional techniques James as employed, but he did 1/4 of what Mike F, did which is no mean feat, hence the props and to be fair he's been far less of an affiliate whore than others, it's always remained firmly in his sig.

James Schramko · 18th Dec 2008, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Not a clue what promotional techniques James as employed, but he did 1/4 of what Mike F, did which is no mean feat, hence the props and to be fair he's been far less of an affiliate whore than others, it's always remained firmly in his sig.

Thanks,

(The WF is approx 7% of the traffic for this campaign). I used other methods.

tradermike2008 · 18th Dec 2008, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by James Schramko

Thanks,

(The WF is approx 7% of the traffic for this campaign). I used other methods.

What do you think of the fact that they sent out an email to their list telling them that the course was going to start on Monday and they had to buy right then or it would close any minute and course isn't starting for weeks. It is still up for sale and now it looks like they are telling affiliates that a big promotional bonus push is coming next week. What is it like to sell something in which the people constantly mislead their customers and potential cusomters? First we heard they had to delay the launch because "hackers" were trying to stop them from getting their message out. Now they say buy because it will close any second when it looks like it will be open for at least 2 1/2 weeks all together. Everyone makes mistakes and i'm sure lots of affliates got sucked in because of Brad Fallon, but after all of this do you still think it is worth promoting to people? I'm sure you could find products from people who are upfront and stand up with their customers and give good info. This CPA stuff is not rocket science and anyone can learn about it in just an afternoon.

Fomr the size of the sales we also may be seeing why none of the gurus seems to be that angry over what has happened so far. So much money has been made that even if half of the people get refunds a lot will still have been made. If you make people mad in the process who cares because newbies will always be coming into IM seems to be the attitude of those who gave testimonials and allegedly were paid for them.

The launch was a success. I had thought they may have been keeping it open for such an extended period because they didn't get the sales they wanted, but obviously this thought was wrong. They simply are just trying to squeeze as much out of the market as they can, or else they don't have the course ready to go and are just selling until they do have it made.

Time to do some work and make money. That is how you make money - by taking action and doing work, not by giving some guy 2k who says they can make you 100k in a day if you just buy their course.

James Schramko · 18th Dec 2008, 07:32 AM

Ultimately the market decides.

If sales are still strong and conversions are excellent then the market is voting in favor of the CPA training.

tradermike2008 · 18th Dec 2008, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by James Schramko

Ultimately the market decides.

If sales are still strong and conversions are excellent then the market is voting in favor of the CPA training.

That's true. Market has shown that the marketing message worked. Refund rate will tell how well the people who bought feel about their purchase too.

But I admit I am surprised at how well it sold. I thought the promotion was bad, but apparently I was wrong. So I find that interesting and sad at the same time.

Leanne King · 18th Dec 2008, 07:38 AM

@tradermike - I think the marketing for the product was great. It has generated a lot of buzz. What has been disappointing is the follow up. Ultimately, people are paying for a course on CPA training not how not to do a launch

So the proof will be in the pudding as the saying goes. Once people get access to the content that will be provided then some real reviews can taken place.

All the best
Leanne

Lance K · 18th Dec 2008, 08:26 AM

Actually, they pulled the limit of 700 from the sales letter after the very first version. Now it just says something vague about being strictly limited.

Not saying they get a pass. They just never should have put it in there. At least they removed it sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

Well, assuming those numbers are fact, there's a few more than the 700 limit mentioned in the promotional marketing.

Wow, these guys continue to misrepresent ... WORD!

Lance K · 18th Dec 2008, 08:32 AM

IMO, you're a little off base there.

James hasn't pimped anything.

Originally Posted by tradermike2008

So he's made like 20k+ by pimping his affliate link in the forum?

Merlinthecat · 18th Dec 2008, 10:31 AM

I have to get a prize for penning the 750th post on this thread!!

...which brings me to my point. I am intrigued by The Abitrage Conspiracy, but cannot get the gist of this thread as comments and opinions seem to be jumping around everywhere and with little real "thread".

What is the bottom line amongst those who are actively posting to this thread. I am sensing quite a bit of negativity in the latter few pages...

Has the training actually started for those who have paid (presumably as much as a few weeks ago for some, by now). Excuse me if the following question has already been posed, but has anyone estimated how much cash one might need to complete the twelve week training course, in terms of "investment", in terms of PPC costs and/or other "essential" needs? A valid question, as the cost of participation is already high.

Thanks for any observations!

James Schramko · 18th Dec 2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Merlinthecat

the cost of participation is already high...

It cost me about $15k to meet Aymen the first time (in travel and accommodation) I guess it is all relative.

M3C · 18th Dec 2008, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by James Schramko

It cost me about $15k to meet Aymen the first time (in travel and accommodation)

Price of hotel hookers huh, disgusting rates.

James Schramko · 18th Dec 2008, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Price of hotel hookers huh, disgusting rates.

Well is WAS Vegas

(EDIT -there were no hookers just in case anyone is wondering)

....and you thought you had run out of Harrisonisms...

Merlinthecat · 18th Dec 2008, 11:51 AM

"Once we have just a half dozen feedbacks from non affiliates who have applied the techniques and made a profit who are posting on this forum (not posters who suddently arrived with a 1 post count either) actual bonafide members, then we can take it seriously, until then it's hot air".

This is from a post much earlier in the thread. Anyone out there?

James Schramko · 18th Dec 2008, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Merlinthecat

"Once we have just a half dozen feedbacks from non affiliates who have applied the techniques and made a profit who are posting on this forum (not posters who suddently arrived with a 1 post count either) actual bonafide members, then we can take it seriously, until then it's hot air".

This is from a post much earlier in the thread. Anyone out there?

Those conditions are unlikely to prevail until January at the earliest.

M3C · 18th Dec 2008, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Merlinthecat

"Once we have just a half dozen feedbacks from non affiliates who have applied the techniques and made a profit who are posting on this forum (not posters who suddently arrived with a 1 post count either) actual bonafide members, then we can take it seriously, until then it's hot air".

This is from a post much earlier in the thread. Anyone out there?

Course doesn't start until Jan 5th, it's just filler until that point.

EDIT: Damm that Schramko guy and his fast typing..

Canei Group · 18th Dec 2008, 12:31 PM

Interesting theory....

nobodyspecial · 18th Dec 2008, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sweet Jane

@tradermike - I think the marketing for the product was great. It has generated a lot of buzz. What has been disappointing is the follow up. Ultimately, people are paying for a course on CPA training not how not to do a launch

So the proof will be in the pudding as the saying goes. Once people get access to the content that will be provided then some real reviews can taken place.

All the best
Leanne

Sweet Jane, the marketing for this product was full of lies and 1/2 truths. Anybody can get great response when lying beyond belief.

nobodyspecial · 18th Dec 2008, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Lance K

Actually, they pulled the limit of 700 from the sales letter after the very first version. Now it just says something vague about being strictly limited.

Not saying they get a pass. They just never should have put it in there. At least they removed it sooner rather than later.

Guess the 700 cap disappeared with the original 12 week guarantee - terms which customers like I bought under yet got SWITCHED after our purchase. This alone is criminal in my book.

Next, they don't have time yet to put up a FAQ for customers but have one up for their affiliates:

http://www.arbitrageconspiracy.com/jv-blog/?page_id=122

Pitty, I reviewed their Vegas presentation and it's quite good. Somehow I don't feel their course will be.

Still waiting ...

sjchiz · 18th Dec 2008, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Harlan

I don't see how that can be.

Trey doesn't have any brains.

The millions he's made are just beginner's luck.

Peace.

I've gotten all of these emails from Trey and Frank and everyone else also. I also listened to the call prior to the A/C launch and am surprised nobody has discussed this. If you were on that call and didn't hang up prior to the end (i almost did due to boring repetition of things), someone asked Aymen what the next step was for the launch.

Aymen starting talking about how things would be happening soon and that people would get additional info in the next 2 weeks regarding the launch, etc. This is when Trey (I'm pretty positive this was Trey and correct me if I'm wrong) went into his whole sales pitch of things and jumped in and said that things would be happening REALLY fast and that people would get something about the launch in the next couple of days.

IMHO - and if you guys listened to that part of the call - it was very obvious that they were not ready for the launch of A/C. If they would have gone with what Aymen said, things would be on the right time line right now, but he was obviously pushed to do the launch when things were at the peak of interest.

PS - I'm not agreeing to the above post that Trey has "no brains" but I do believe he is the one responsible for this incredibly screwed up launch....Aymen unfortunately is just along for the ride!

l23bc · 18th Dec 2008, 01:13 PM

Hi there

great topic

he does say in a video he is trying to gave the training for free due to opening in 2009 his own cpa site.

i never signed up for it yet i got all the infomation in my email. still a good read.

regards
andy

philipdwyer · 18th Dec 2008, 01:14 PM

Yeah, I looked at this report and thought it was interesting. But like 13th Warrior said, you will be getting paid a fraction of the money that the CPAs/middlemen are getting. It is a great way to get started, but the CPAs have so many rules and regulations that it is difficult to utilize email marketing and craigslist for marketing reasons.

If you are not new to internet marketing, then you should just keep to promoting your own products that will make you more in the long run anyway.

Black Hat Cat · 18th Dec 2008, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Y

So the threat of being banned is utterly moot and not policeable in any shape form or fashion.

I have no issue with them looking to protect themselves, I'm just here to point out BS which the threat of banning is, because it is 100% completely unenforcable.

Tell that to the porn industry, where they do enforce and police such things, and will not hesitate to revoke membership when they detect sharing of login info.

Having said that, there's the "letter of the law", and "spirit of the law". I'm sure their concern isn't 2 partners sharing the course, with a different IP every now and then. If they're paying attention at all, it will be the 25-50 different IPs over a short period of time that raises suspicions.

M3C · 18th Dec 2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by blackhatcat

Tell that to the porn industry, where they do enforce and police such things, and will not hesitate to revoke membership when they detect sharing of login info.

.

I'm pointing out it is unenforcable within the constraints of a few users, as that is no different to one guy accessing it from a couple of different locations. Of course if it's spread over 25 people then it's easy to tell.

veotis · 18th Dec 2008, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sweet Jane

@tradermike - I think the marketing for the product was great. It has generated a lot of buzz. What has been disappointing is the follow up. Ultimately, people are paying for a course on CPA training not how not to do a launch

So the proof will be in the pudding as the saying goes. Once people get access to the content that will be provided then some real reviews can taken place.

All the best
Leanne

BINGO, Leanne!

Some folks are so caught up in the launch, they are overlooking that the whole thing is about the actual course. If, after 30 days you don't like what you see, simply get a refund. It ain't rocket science...

And, I made my purchase through James' link because I have the utmost respect for James. He is, from what I've seen over the years starting from his posts in the Xsitepro forum, a stand up guy who never hesitates to give solid, practical advice. His bonus was the icing on the cake. So what if he made some money off of it, ain't that what we're all trying to do in the IM world? You have to ask yourself: Do you want to be in the game, or do you prefer to ALWAYS be the water-boy?

Harlan · 18th Dec 2008, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by sjchiz

PS - I'm not agreeing to the above post that Trey has "no brains" but I do believe he is the one responsible for this incredibly screwed up launch....Aymen unfortunately is just along for the ride!

Uh, that was a joke.

Trey is one of the sharpest online marketers out there.

The stuff he has done in the past few years would shock most people.

But he's made millions. And he knew him when he was just a down home insurance agent.

Peace.

sjchiz · 18th Dec 2008, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Harlan

Uh, that was a joke.

Trey is one of the sharpest online marketers out there.

The stuff he has done in the past few years would shock most people.

But he's made millions. And he knew him when he was just a down home insurance agent.

Peace.

Sorry about that Harlan ... I just didn't want people to think that I disrespected Trey in any way either and the launch situation "is what it is" type thing. Perhaps I should start using smiley faces more often! (:

Da Jules · 18th Dec 2008, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Da Jules

My business partner and I wanted to take the course and split the costs... until the email yesterday:

"Please keep the following login information safe and do not share them with
anyone. You'll risk losing your membership if our system shows that
your logins are shared by multiple users."

We don't want to violate the policies but that was not clear in the sales letter. So we sent an inquiry to customer service this AM and no response yet...

Okay, here's the follow up... I left another message, making that three, and got a follow up in 28 hours from the 1st ... not totally unreasonable. Several apologies for the delay... but I did contact and cc Shawn's support ticket system the last time.

The AC answer:
Hi, sorry for the delay in answering. You can log into different computers, just not at the same time with the same login info. As you can imagine this is to limit mass sharing of login info.
No, is the answer to the second question there are no subscription fees.
Please login as more clarification is provided inside your members area.
Once again sorry for keeping waiting so long,

Sounds reasonable. I've run companies before and I know how difficult it can be to do a launch. So I'll give them one pass. It is a big ticket item though... I would have hoped for more in the the transaction process and with CS.

J

internetmarketer99 · 18th Dec 2008, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by philipdwyer

Yeah, I looked at this report and thought it was interesting. But like 13th Warrior said, you will be getting paid a fraction of the money that the CPAs/middlemen are getting. It is a great way to get started, but the CPAs have so many rules and regulations that it is difficult to utilize email marketing and craigslist for marketing reasons.

If you are not new to internet marketing, then you should just keep to promoting your own products that will make you more in the long run anyway.

What's with the "cash gifting system" in your sig? They are illegal, and anyone who gets sucked in will lose their investment.

And they're definitely not welcome.

Mark

IMChick · 18th Dec 2008, 05:18 PM

Is this "Trey" the same guy that's currently doing the infomillionaire launch, Frank Kern's cousin?

Abdul Aziz · 18th Dec 2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by IMChick

Is this "Trey" the same guy that's currently doing the infomillionaire launch, Frank Kern's cousin?

Yup. He's the same guy.

Black Hat Cat · 18th Dec 2008, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

I'm pointing out it is unenforcable within the constraints of a few users, as that is no different to one guy accessing it from a couple of different locations. Of course if it's spread over 25 people then it's easy to tell.

That's fine, but I didn't want anyone to take you literally and believe that it is "utterly moot and not policeable in any shape form or fashion."

Harlan · 18th Dec 2008, 08:32 PM

If they are paying their affiliate January 15, then the last day to refund would be the 13 or 14.

Write it down on your calendar and circle the date.

James Schramko · 18th Dec 2008, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by philipdwyer

Yeah, I looked at this report and thought it was interesting. But like 13th Warrior said, you will be getting paid a fraction of the money that the CPAs/middlemen are getting. It is a great way to get started, but the CPAs have so many rules and regulations that it is difficult to utilize email marketing and craigslist for marketing reasons.

If you are not new to internet marketing, then you should just keep to promoting your own products that will make you more in the long run anyway.

Once you understand the concept of getting traffic and optimizing your conversions there is nothing stopping you from doing your own deals.

You do not need CPA networks, they need you.

(My best campaigns are where I arrange deals directly with the end user).

James Schramko · 18th Dec 2008, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by jimrpips

James, you've made a pile of $ off AC - how about getting them to be more proactive with their customers? Their blog is useless and they don't answer emails. Can you ask them to at least put up a forum in the members area so people can help each other?

Hi Jim,

I know they're working pretty hard right now.

I'm doing the best with what I can control. For example, all of my customers are covered anyway because I have set up a new forum for them to get help from me and another super affiliate for the next three months. So anyone who has invested with me won't be left without support. They will be hand held throughout the entire course. I take their success very seriously.

nobodyspecial · 19th Dec 2008, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by jimrpips

Their blog is useless and they don't answer emails. Can you ask them to at least put up a forum in the members area so people can help each other?

People will only help each other realize what a cluster f*ck it is and encourage refunds. Do not count on a forum any time soon

M3C · 19th Dec 2008, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by HarveyJ

Simon, considering some of your expressions, I'm wondering if you're Ocker...

Had to google that puppy,and nope not an Ozzie.

Zeal4Life · 19th Dec 2008, 03:51 AM

Hey gang!

Its about 4am here EST. I just finished listening to the call.

I've got one thing to say: Shock & Awe!

Just the names on the call...WOW!

I was so sleepy at about 10pm yesterday, however, I've been scouring the net looking for THE way to go in 2009 and BAM! I see this AC stuff.

I'm can still "hear" Shawn Casey or Brad Fallon say something along the lines of ... Thank you for taking time out to do this, cos, y'know you could be out there making $1million and it'll take you 10 DAYS of work!

Aymen, while humble and carefree and all, MUST'VE gone to bed wondering to himself if HE (AYMEN) REALLY did stump all the gurus when he showed them how much he was making and HOW he was making it!

I think the guru grading needs to be categorized:
1. Guru
2. Super Guru
3. Hyper Guru
4. Uber Guru
5. MIDAS (At this level, you literally mint your own gold bullions daily - $100k ++)

I'm sure there are MIDASes out there making more than Aymen, however, I think I would give him MIDAS level because he's done it in less than 2 years (it seems) and this guy is 25 years old and just finished college!

OK...

I'm crawling to bed now, I hope my re-charged abundance thinking will let catch a couple of hours of sleep

17th Dec 2008, 09:07 PM	#701
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17th Dec 2008, 10:14 PM	#702
vic_msn Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: World Posts: 56 Thanks: 8 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I received a mail from a guy named "Admin" quoting he was behind the launch of AC and plugged a link to a video to increase earnings by 500%. I didn't watch the video though. wondering how he got my email. I never opted-in to this guy's mailings :confused:

18th Dec 2008, 12:25 AM	#703
amirla84 Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 42 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Here is the current Leader Board . . . Shawn Casey 117 Mike Filsaime 90 Keith Baxter 89 Buck Rizvi 83 Michael Cheney 81 Tim Warnock 80 Brad Callen 65 JasonCox 54 Jordan Hall 49 Brian Johnson 37 Satyajit Das 27 James Schramko 26 Joseph LeKostaj 26 Dennis Karganilla 26 Joel Comm 23 Ryan Lee 21 Ryan Deiss 20 Shiyou Li 17 Michael Sciuto 17 Albert Steven 17 Rhea Perry 16 Scott Marlow 15 Bob Serling 14 Gary Ambrose 13

18th Dec 2008, 12:27 AM	#704
amirla84 Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 42 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: The total sales are already more than $3.5 Million – and we haven't started the Shock & Awe Bonuses which will begin next week! Thanks to you, this may be the biggest product launch of the year!

18th Dec 2008, 12:29 AM	#705
amirla84 Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 42 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: "And Here's How You Can Make Even More Money – Fast! The best news is that we're not even close to done, and you still have the chance to make a lot more money. And next week we will start promoting the amazing bonus packages that we will have ready for you to offer your list." i thought they were gonna take down the sales page on monday? now they are not even close to being done? i would never ever deal with such a liar.

18th Dec 2008, 03:19 AM	#708
nobodyspecial HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 119 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Well, assuming those numbers are fact, there's a few more than the 700 limit mentioned in the promotional marketing. Wow, these guys continue to misrepresent ... WORD!

18th Dec 2008, 07:32 AM	#717
James Schramko VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia. Posts: 1,679 Thanks: 133 Thanked 449 Times in 214 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Ultimately the market decides. If sales are still strong and conversions are excellent then the market is voting in favor of the CPA training.
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18th Dec 2008, 07:38 AM	#719
Leanne King WP Queen War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: Sydney , Australia Posts: 1,024 Thanks: 25 Thanked 236 Times in 151 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: @tradermike - I think the marketing for the product was great. It has generated a lot of buzz. What has been disappointing is the follow up. Ultimately, people are paying for a course on CPA training not how not to do a launch So the proof will be in the pudding as the saying goes. Once people get access to the content that will be provided then some real reviews can taken place. All the best Leanne
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18th Dec 2008, 10:31 AM	#722
Merlinthecat Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 91 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I have to get a prize for penning the 750th post on this thread!! ...which brings me to my point. I am intrigued by The Abitrage Conspiracy, but cannot get the gist of this thread as comments and opinions seem to be jumping around everywhere and with little real "thread". What is the bottom line amongst those who are actively posting to this thread. I am sensing quite a bit of negativity in the latter few pages... Has the training actually started for those who have paid (presumably as much as a few weeks ago for some, by now). Excuse me if the following question has already been posed, but has anyone estimated how much cash one might need to complete the twelve week training course, in terms of "investment", in terms of PPC costs and/or other "essential" needs? A valid question, as the cost of participation is already high. Thanks for any observations!
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18th Dec 2008, 11:51 AM	#726
Merlinthecat Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 91 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: "Once we have just a half dozen feedbacks from non affiliates who have applied the techniques and made a profit who are posting on this forum (not posters who suddently arrived with a 1 post count either) actual bonafide members, then we can take it seriously, until then it's hot air". This is from a post much earlier in the thread. Anyone out there?
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18th Dec 2008, 12:31 PM	#729
Canei Group Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Posts: 38 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Interesting theory....
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18th Dec 2008, 01:13 PM	#733
l23bc andrew hams @ka l23bc War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1,561 Thanks: 102 Thanked 119 Times in 106 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Hi there great topic he does say in a video he is trying to gave the training for free due to opening in 2009 his own cpa site. i never signed up for it yet i got all the infomation in my email. still a good read. regards andy
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18th Dec 2008, 01:14 PM	#734
philipdwyer Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 52 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Yeah, I looked at this report and thought it was interesting. But like 13th Warrior said, you will be getting paid a fraction of the money that the CPAs/middlemen are getting. It is a great way to get started, but the CPAs have so many rules and regulations that it is difficult to utilize email marketing and craigslist for marketing reasons. If you are not new to internet marketing, then you should just keep to promoting your own products that will make you more in the long run anyway.
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18th Dec 2008, 05:18 PM	#742
IMChick Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 587 Thanks: 16 Thanked 66 Times in 51 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Is this "Trey" the same guy that's currently doing the infomillionaire launch, Frank Kern's cousin?

18th Dec 2008, 08:32 PM	#745
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19th Dec 2008, 03:51 AM	#750
Zeal4Life Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 62 Thanks: 20 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Hey gang! Its about 4am here EST. I just finished listening to the call. I've got one thing to say: Shock & Awe! Just the names on the call...WOW! I was so sleepy at about 10pm yesterday, however, I've been scouring the net looking for THE way to go in 2009 and BAM! I see this AC stuff. I'm can still "hear" Shawn Casey or Brad Fallon say something along the lines of ... Thank you for taking time out to do this, cos, y'know you could be out there making $1million and it'll take you 10 DAYS of work! Aymen, while humble and carefree and all, MUST'VE gone to bed wondering to himself if HE (AYMEN) REALLY did stump all the gurus when he showed them how much he was making and HOW he was making it! I think the guru grading needs to be categorized: 1. Guru 2. Super Guru 3. Hyper Guru 4. Uber Guru 5. MIDAS (At this level, you literally mint your own gold bullions daily - $100k ++) I'm sure there are MIDASes out there making more than Aymen, however, I think I would give him MIDAS level because he's done it in less than 2 years (it seems) and this guy is 25 years old and just finished college! OK... I'm crawling to bed now, I hope my re-charged abundance thinking will let catch a couple of hours of sleep