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This is mind-boggling!

I just logged into the back office of the Arbitrage Conspiracy and noticed they finally put up the eary bird list. The first 250 people are the ones that qualified for them. My name is nowhere to be found.

I ordered on the original launch date Dec. 10th. I was able to order through a warrior members affliate link in his signature. I believe it was about 4:00pm cst when I placed the order. Apparently with all their "technical" problems 250 people were able to order before me. Wow!
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I haven't bought this product, but I will say this:

Before anyone in this thread even heard about "Arbitrage Conspiracy" from all the JVs and emails, I was at Brad's house on several occasions to discuss a completely unrelated topic. Brad has stated multiple times that he "knew a guy" that made "$50,000-$100,000 per day net profit from PPC." This was before even the Vegas conference that all the gurus attended. For Brad to tell us this at that time would have been completely pointless and irrelevant. We were not there to discuss PPC, CPA, or even internet marketing for that matter; however, the topic of PPC briefly came up in which Brad made this reference.

Now, mind you, even though Brad is known for SEO, he is a very advanced internet marketer. He is not new to PPC. I specifically recall him quoting a percentage figure for Yahoo ads displayed in emails. If this was "basic PPC/CPA," Brad would not endorse it. You think these gurus would stake their reputation on basic CPA? Go to Commission Junction and you'll find MyWeddingFavors.com in the CPA offers (Brad's chairman of My Wedding Favors). It costs companies huge money to get into CPA networks -- not everyone is allowed. If it was just "basic" CPA, I doubt all these gurus would be in amazement.

So Ayman is definitely a real person rather than just a figurehead.

Also, StomperNet is most likely not associated not only because the post from Andy Jenkins, but Dan Thies is a Stomper faculty member (even though he didn't mention it in his posts) and Dan is saying the "technical difficulties" in the launch process are not on purpose because they lose money for this.

It's just these comments about how the "gurus" have been exposed are baseless and irrelevant. Do you think guys like Mike Filsaime need an extra affiliate paycheck this year? Do the math -- Filsaime has only banked about 6 figures thus far. For the record -- and this is a true story which I have business partners that can confirm -- I couldn't even convince Brad to get on a plane for $200,000. You think these guys are tripping over themselves and risking their reputation to pocket six figures (a fraction of their annual income?)

I can say a lot more to prove this isn't a huge guru conspiracy. I know how much they made from this launch, I know who wrote the copy, etc.; but I'm not going to say anything because half of it is none of your business, and I'll probably have people nitpick at my comments anyway. I'm not an affiliate, and I've never bought this product. What I've said doesn't benefit me one penny.
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Originally Posted by RogerZF View Post

I haven't bought this product, but I will say this:

Before anyone in this thread even heard about "Arbitrage Conspiracy" from all the JVs and emails, I was at Brad's house on several occasions to discuss a completely unrelated topic. Brad has stated multiple times that he "knew a guy" that made "$50,000-$100,000 per day net profit from PPC." This was before even the Vegas conference that all the gurus attended. For Brad to tell us this at that time would have been completely pointless and irrelevant. We were not there to discuss PPC, CPA, or even internet marketing for that matter; however, the topic of PPC briefly came up in which Brad made this reference.

Now, mind you, even though Brad is known for SEO, he is a very advanced internet marketer. He is not new to PPC. I specifically recall him quoting a percentage figure for Yahoo ads displayed in emails. If this was "basic PPC/CPA," Brad would not endorse it.

So Ayman is definitely a real person rather than just a figurehead.

Also, StomperNet is most likely not associated not only because the post from Andy Jenkins, but Dan Thies is a Stomper faculty member (even though he didn't mention it in his posts) and Dan is saying the "technical difficulties" in the launch process are not on purpose because they lose money for this.

It's just these comments about how the "gurus" have been exposed are baseless and irrelevant. Do you think guys like Mike Filsaime need an extra affiliate paycheck this year?

I can say a lot more to prove this isn't a huge guru conspiracy. I know how much they made from this launch, I know who wrote the copy, etc.; but I'm not going to say anything because half of it is none of your business, and I'll probably have people nitpick at my comments anyway. I'm not an affiliate, and I've never bought this product. What I've said doesn't benefit me one penny.
Nice one!

People who did join will already have heard Aymen (and Emanuel) on the call and they know he is a real person with a real blueprint.

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This thread is still alive?

I got an email yesterday with my login information, but the kicker is, I didn't buy the course! Someone also sent me a copy of the 164 page report from the vegas thing and I have yet to read it, but I'll report back when I have time, (weren't those supposed to be kept confidential?)

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Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

This thread is still alive?

I got an email yesterday with my login information, but the kicker is, I didn't buy the course! Someone also sent me a copy of the 164 page report from the vegas thing and I have yet to read it, but I'll report back when I have time, (weren't those supposed to be kept confidential?)
Lucky Coach! Someone must like you.

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I dont get what all the complaining is about - Is there some kind of conspiracy going on or something ? ;-)

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Has Jerry West seen the final course?
No. But most of the people "endorsing" the final course have never seen it either.

So how can they ENDORSE the course? What's the difference between someone RECOMMENDING a course they've never seen and someone NOT recommending it?

...which is ANOTHER reason why we recommended people buy through you at the WorkAtHomeTruth site, James - because at least you know Aymen well and almost certainly have more details than MOST of the people recommending the course.

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Hey PPC-Coach, do you teach what these AC'ers are teaching? or do you teach more of the clickbank affiliate type of biz?

I've always been interested in the CPA game, but you always hear it cost's thousands just to get started with your adwords campaigns, and you'll get eaten alive and yada yada yada.

Would it be realistic to start with maybe $500 or something.

Oh and nice tips james.

Is this all that different than Pay Per Click Formula? by Gauher Chaudhry..

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Hey PPC-Coach, do you teach what these AC'ers are teaching? or do you teach more of the clickbank affiliate type of biz?

I've always been interested in the CPA game, but you always hear it cost's thousands just to get started with your adwords campaigns, and you'll get eaten alive and yada yada yada.

Would it be realistic to start with maybe $500 or something.

Oh and nice tips james.

Is this all that different than Pay Per Click Formula? by Gauher Chaudhry..
James, correct me if I'm wrong - but I believe Aymen's course goes much more into automating, outsourcing, team-building in order to scale.

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Has Jerry West seen the final course?
I read your comment again and realized I must have misinterpreted it - because I saw in another thread that ebbi started you said:

"I have the same issue with people who don't know the guy and don't know the product but make wild speculations that are way off the mark. Imagine that."

So it sounds like your saying that some of the endorsements/reviews that were given were based on the final course and the final course was in fact already completed before the endorsements were made and at least some of the people endorsing the product were given an opportunity to review the full course that people will be going through.

My mistake. Sorry about that.

I think knowing which endorsements/reviews were from people who have actually seen the final course would really put an end to a lot of the speculation here.

Can you point us to some of those?

Thanks in advance.

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I think knowing which endorsements/reviews were from people who have actually seen the final course would really put an end to a lot of the speculation here.

Can you point us to some of those?
Apparently the people you see in the vidoes were paid to give their testimonial if that tells you something. And then the people recommending it are in affiliate programs. The biggest pusher of it here is one of the biggest affiliates. Its a lot of smoke and mirriors. You could find all of the information for free if you just did some simple searches on google. CPA and PPC is not rocket science. Buying this thing you aren't really buying the knowledge but buying into the hype.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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Would it be realistic to start with maybe $500 or something.

Oh and nice tips james.

Is this all that different than Pay Per Click Formula? by Gauher Chaudhry..
Thanks TheDarkLord,

Aymen recommends $500 as starting capital and believes this is enough. They covered this in the pre-training video.

markquinn is correct. The main difference with this course is that it covers more. It takes you right through from the very start (how to get an account with ad words) to the very end - how to invest your money and leverage your cashflow. Most courses (even my own) cover parts of this but not A-Z. This isthe most complete CPA course available.

It may be worth mentioning that Gauher trained these two marketers with both is product and forum. He has mentioned words to the effect that they have made him good commissions because they signed under him and generated a lot of business..

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I read your comment again and realized I must have misinterpreted it - because I saw in another thread that ebbi started you said:

"I have the same issue with people who don't know the guy and don't know the product but make wild speculations that are way off the mark. Imagine that."

So it sounds like your saying that some of the endorsements/reviews that were given were based on the final course and the final course was in fact already completed before the endorsements were made and at least some of the people endorsing the product were given an opportunity to review the full course that people will be going through.

My mistake. Sorry about that.

I think knowing which endorsements/reviews were from people who have actually seen the final course would really put an end to a lot of the speculation here.

Can you point us to some of those?

Thanks in advance.
I was mentioning that some detractors can speculate all they want about the course being bad etc... but how do they really know?

(They don't know yet).

They are potentially the ones with smoke, mirrors and hype since they are talking about something authoritatively but without any basis. It makes them look silly.

The course is mind mapped in entirety and is full A-Z. It was briefly shown in the pre-training webinar (blurred out).

I have been in possession of more details about the course blueprint that is why I am confident that the course material is good and covers the things that people will find very useful.

The course has a dynamic element too because it will also be shaped by the questions users submit throughout. They have the ability to submit questions so the facilitators can address these in live webinars (which will all be recorded and available for viewing as many times as people desire).

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The course has a dynamic element too because it will also be shaped by the questions users submit throughout. They have the ability to submit questions so the facilitators can address these in live webinars (which will all be recorded and available for viewing as many times as people desire).

Since the videos are not downloadable, how long after the course is over will the videos be available?
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Since the videos are not downloadable, how long after the course is over will the videos be available?
Hint: Use the Mozilla Browser and add the Downloader Tool.

You can download ALL the videos. :-)

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Hint: Use the Mozilla Browser and add the Downloader Tool.

You can download ALL the videos. :-)
Webinar #1 said they are setting it up so that they won't be downloadable. Will the tool work in such a case?
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videos are not downloadable
Originally Posted by inherit View Post

they won't be downloadable.
you just asked the same question twice?

Harlan said you can use what he recommend.
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Anything you can see on your screen (desktop) is downloadable, if you you have the right tools.
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Anything you can see on your screen (desktop) is downloadable, if you you have the right tools.
That's true
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Ok I've read the report and saw the blueprint and can safely say that if you're new to cpa to ppc then you will learn a very organized and well though out process from guys have been there and done that.

If you're experienced already in ppc to cpa, then there is really nothing new here. They show some known free tools and some known paid tools, but nothing that we haven't seen before or used before. They do cover some outsourcing, but I'm not sure how in depth that is and if you're not doing huge numbers, it won't apply to you at all.

Is it worth $2k?

Depends.

You could figure it out by trial and error on your own, but you'd probably end up quitting before spending $2k if you're new, (unless you're one of those rare guys who are too stubborn to quit).

Will you make $50k in a day?

Less then 1% of people who buy this will actually ever do those kind of numbers. (Which is the reason it's got so much attention and courses to follow in the New Year will garner the same attention by making huge income statements). I have trained thousands over the years and only difference between a big producer and small timer is their work ethic. You can pay $2k, but it's not going to buy you the work ethic required to succeed or to do near the numbers these guys are. My top member does over $3k profit per day right now and he is simply a machine. He would be in the 1% that took it to $50k per day and in fact he will probably reach that within a year if he put together a team.

Anyhow, all in all, if you're new to the game, this isn't a waste of money from what I've seen. Now on the support issue, that is where most courses and ebooks fail. They treat you like a one night stand. That's one of several reasons why my site exists. I pick up where those courses and ebooks leave off. You're ready to go, armed with all your new knowledge, but then those little irritating stumbling blocks arise and if you can't get an answer, you get frustrated and quit. People who put together the courses or ebooks don't really want to provide the follow up later and you need someone there to help once you're ready to start your first campaign. They usually put up a token "support forum" that fizzles out because they don't pay it enough attention. After all they were there to sell you the course, not any follow up support. That's why the mentor approach works so well. You've got someone there to help along the way after you've learned all the theory and a group of like minded individuals who have been or are currently in your shoes.



The thing the irked the detractors in this thread about this whole thing is the way gurus have touted it as an easy way to make $50k per day. But if you take away the typical guru b.s. hype machine, it actually appears to be a solid product. Think of it as buying 12 ebooks on ppc -> cpa offers for $167 a piece.

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I was mentioning that some detractors can speculate all they want about the course being bad etc... but how do they really know?

(They don't know yet).

They are potentially the ones with smoke, mirrors and hype since they are talking about something authoritatively but without any basis. It makes them look silly.

The course is mind mapped in entirety and is full A-Z. It was briefly shown in the pre-training webinar (blurred out).

I have been in possession of more details about the course blueprint that is why I am confident that the course material is good and covers the things that people will find very useful.

The course has a dynamic element too because it will also be shaped by the questions users submit throughout. They have the ability to submit questions so the facilitators can address these in live webinars (which will all be recorded and available for viewing as many times as people desire).
OK. Great. That helps James.

It seems like it would have been helpful for him to give more details to his JV partners - at least certain hand-selected ones that - or maybe he did that with other people like you and we just don't know who those were.

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Two points:

For members who wish to download the teleseminar from Friday, I have a hint: "view source".

For non-members, there will be a final teleseminar on Tuesday 2pm EST and then probably just a few days before the offer is pulled.

As to whether it will be offered again, I am fairly confident that this will be the only live teaching guided by member questions...but since they work with top gurus, a home study version will probably be offered later in 2009...but that is just a guess.

Good luck to everyone - members and non-members alike.

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I have (and yes I am an online NEWBIE) but own 2-traditional brick/mortar type business and can I afford to loose $2K, nope, but am I a sucker for this, who knows, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to one thing, persistence. If you want something and are willing to do the work, put in the time, etc it will be a success.
Besides, I've been reading a lot of blogs, posts, etc and not anywhere else is anyone offering to do this for free, $500, $1000 nowhere. Yes if these guys were making $100+K/day then they could afford to do it for free, but guess what happens, you have 1000 people who join and you may only have 1% actually do anything, or have those who see some value and have a 50% success rate. Keep in mind, sites like this and a million others can either help make you $$ or quickly spread the fire about how crappy it is.
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Is anyone actually making $10,000 a day here using this method? I'm just curious if honestly there is someone here doing that?
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Ok I've read the report and saw the blueprint and can safely say that if you're new to cpa to ppc then you will learn a very organized and well though out process from guys have been there and done that.

If you're experienced already in ppc to cpa, then there is really nothing new here. They show some known free tools and some known paid tools, but nothing that we haven't seen before or used before. They do cover some outsourcing, but I'm not sure how in depth that is and if you're not doing huge numbers, it won't apply to you at all.

Is it worth $2k?

Depends.

You could figure it out by trial and error on your own, but you'd probably end up quitting before spending $2k if you're new, (unless you're one of those rare guys who are too stubborn to quit).

Will you make $50k in a day?

Less then 1% of people who buy this will actually ever do those kind of numbers. (Which is the reason it's got so much attention and courses to follow in the New Year will garner the same attention by making huge income statements). I have trained thousands over the years and only difference between a big producer and small timer is their work ethic. You can pay $2k, but it's not going to buy you the work ethic required to succeed or to do near the numbers these guys are. My top member does over $3k profit per day right now and he is simply a machine. He would be in the 1% that took it to $50k per day and in fact he will probably reach that within a year if he put together a team.

Anyhow, all in all, if you're new to the game, this isn't a waste of money from what I've seen. Now on the support issue, that is where most courses and ebooks fail. They treat you like a one night stand. That's one of several reasons why my site exists. I pick up where those courses and ebooks leave off. You're ready to go, armed with all your new knowledge, but then those little irritating stumbling blocks arise and if you can't get an answer, you get frustrated and quit. People who put together the courses or ebooks don't really want to provide the follow up later and you need someone there to help once you're ready to start your first campaign. They usually put up a token "support forum" that fizzles out because they don't pay it enough attention. After all they were there to sell you the course, not any follow up support. That's why the mentor approach works so well. You've got someone there to help along the way after you've learned all the theory and a group of like minded individuals who have been or are currently in your shoes.



The thing the irked the detractors in this thread about this whole thing is the way gurus have touted it as an easy way to make $50k per day. But if you take away the typical guru b.s. hype machine, it actually appears to be a solid product. Think of it as buying 12 ebooks on ppc -> cpa offers for $167 a piece.
Boy it would have been so much more helpful if MORE people had been able to do actual reviews of the actual product much like you're doing here.

We didn't recommend it to my list because they're all newbies - but if there were more reviews like yours and James (which we found too late) that might have been different. We still would have sent them to whoever had the most complimentary bonus to buy the course (right now we're telling people who are planning to buy the course to buy it from James Schramko because he's worked with Aymen and Nikhil Parekh closely).

Of course, it's not like they were having trouble getting the word out. LOL

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I received an email from AC and Aymen stating they'll release the AC Blueprint, did anyone get the actual AC overview/blue print?

I got the link, but it was the same PDF teaser they initially released.

I'd appreciate it if some one could post the correct link to "The Blue Print"

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That's a silly rant.

What he's saying - and what anyone who's run a business (besides an Internet business by yourself) - knows is that an asset is something that has transferable value.

Key concept = "transferable".

Knowledge has value, but it is not transferable in the sense that a commodity is.

Trust has value. A diploma or degree has value. A reputation has value. But these aren't transferable.

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Thanks for your opinion, but I stand by mine (and notice I didn't slag your opinion as "silly"...though maybe it was silly of me to label my opinion as a rant).

If you are talking commodities, I agree with you. If you are talking Accounting 101, like assets vs. liabilities and such, I agree with you. But the OP used the term "asset" which has a much broader definition than these 2 examples. Knowledge (the asset) increases YOUR value in the mind of your customers (and/or employer). So if you're a consultant with decades of experience, you can charge a higher hourly rate, which TRANSFERS more revenue to your employer (or yourself if it's your business). Again...Intellectual Capital/Property comes to mind.

And knowledge is transferable in another way...think about teachers/professors? They transfer their specific knowledge to students in exchange for a salary funded largely by the students' tuition (or parents' tax dollars). Whether or not that transfer is actually received and retained by students is an entirely different ball o' wax.

Sorry for the OT posts...back to your regularly scheduled thread...ARBITRAGE!!

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OK. Great. That helps James.

It seems like it would have been helpful for him to give more details to his JV partners - at least certain hand-selected ones that - or maybe he did that with other people like you and we just don't know who those were.
Good points markquinn,

I don't what others get because I am sitting here on the other side of the world minding my own business. I do talk to Aymen a lot about business so I guess I am lucky.

Thanks for your support too.

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[Based in the latest update from AC, they should have about 1,700 members right now.

Of those, about 1,530 will not do anything, (statistical average), leaving about 170 to make use of the training.

Of that, I expect about 30-50 will actually study it and *get it*. ]

I think that's OK because it means that as the course goes by there will be a hard core of those that stick with it and they will inevitably form an inner circle who will communicate with one another and who will succeed. I was a member of another arbitrage forum and that is exactly what happened.

CPA is difficult, the barriers to entry are high and the learning curve is steep. But the potential rewards are great and if anyone can teach how to get started and how to expand into thousands per month then it's got to be worth $2k.

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Hey All,

I bought the AC course the day it launched. I am new to CPA/Affiliate marketing. I have been looking at the field for a little while now, bout the last year. There is so much hyperbole and bravado that it seems hard to figure out, from my vantage point, where quality educational material can be found.

I met someone that knows Aymen personally and recommended the course. I have some experience with PPC in the small business realm, and while I am not a total newbie, I really don't know too much beyond what the acronyms stand for. I liked what Aymen had to say in the initial sales conference call and the sales letter was pretty good. Though unless someone had personally recommended the course to me I would not have purchased the course.

I am glad I did. The first pre-course video was directly aimed at me. It was mostly filled with content and how to and a good deal of expectation management. It was on point. There was no shifting expectations, at least from my stand point. It was practical. They also demonstrated that they were listening to their customers, poor email response time not withstanding. I am looking forward to the next few months. I will learn a ton.

Also, I would like to thank the people in this forum for conducting a lively and candid discussion about the course and other places to get similar info. Also, thanks for those of you that expressed initial skepticism and then came back to discuss the value you see there. That's really cool.
PPC-Coach, I will consider your program at the end of the AC course. In large part I will consider your course because of how you handled yourself in this thread. Being part of a dedicated community will be important.

Hope to contribute some as I learn over the coming months.

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[Based in the latest update from AC, they should have about 1,700 members right now.

Of those, about 1,530 will not do anything, (statistical average), leaving about 170 to make use of the training.

Of that, I expect about 30-50 will actually study it and *get it*. ]

I think that's OK because it means that as the course goes by there will be a hard core of those that stick with it and they will inevitably form an inner circle who will communicate with one another and who will succeed. I was a member of another arbitrage forum and that is exactly what happened.

CPA is difficult, the barriers to entry are high and the learning curve is steep. But the potential rewards are great and if anyone can teach how to get started and how to expand into thousands per month then it's got to be worth $2k.

Sarah
I agree with the 170 number Sarah. The 30-50 that will actually really study it and "get it" seems high - BUT that's where the teacher makes all the difference. So really that's the core of Aymen's quest once the course gets rolling...getting the number that study and "get it" out of that 170 as high as possible.

As you've kind of implied already - he has no way to really control what all the other people do.

Which brings up another point - someone (including me I think) mentioned that we'll see what the feedback is once the course starts.

I made a mistake there, because it's probably going to be most important to pay attention to the feedback from the people who are SUCCESSFUL with the course - IF they are willing to talk about it - at least under a pseudonym that's different than their pseudonym elsewhere.

But as I think we all already know forums can be messy - and really the best way to get accurate information is to network offline (a good reason to attend live events) or through mastermind groups.

For example I KNOW Nikhil Parekh does the numbers he claims to do because he's shown me a lot of details on things he's probably only shown other people that he knows well. I also KNOW James somewhat because he worked closely with Nikhil on at least one project.
So if James tells me something about Aymen and the AC MY trust factor for his information is high - but that's uniquely because of who I already know and trust that I've met in person, talked to daily online at one point, etc.

You can scrutinize forums all you want, but I would encourage anyone who hasn't done it to attend at least ONE live event - not for the training but for the networking - a lot gets discussed during a lunch or dinner that may never be discussed elsewhere.

OK. What the heck am I talking about. LOL. Just rambling now...

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Ayman believes $500 is enough for starting capital???

Ok, my bullshit alarm just went off!

The majority of networks are Net15, and a lot are Net30, from the time you actually trigger a payout, so already you're going to need more than 30 days worth of ad spend to actually keep it going from the time you start.
This doesn't include the extra time it'll take to get paid if you're payment is by cheque, or international bank transfer.

Now, you have to start two campaigns a day, right?
$8.30 is enough of a budget to test a campaign is it?
After all, $500 / 2 campaigns * 30 days = $8.33

Not to mention, you're definitely going to have to be spread across a number of different networks (and are those referrals containing aff links at all?).
To get a reasonable spread of offers, you'd want to join at least three.
This further dilutes the pool of seed capital, as you will need to devote resources between the different networks whose offers you're promoting.
Signed up to three networks, you're looking at pumping $166.65 into each for advertising.
There's a chance you may not even make the trigger point on some of these networks without throwing a bit more in, thanks to screwing up the first few, which most people that are willing to pay someone to show them how to do things are almost guaranteed to do.

PPC is not a game for people that don't have much to begin with.
You need to have decent reserves to throw things at the wall and see what sticks.
Someone saying different, especially after asking you for $2,000 to tell you all of this, is walking you down the garden path.

Again, if you join a network that's CPA driven, I'm pretty damn certain that almost anything Aymen is charging you for, your affiliate manager will be more than happy to tell you for free.
I like a lot of what you're saying here. $500 is what people need for "screwing around" money IMHO with understanding that they have a good chance of losing that all the first go-around.

The only thing I don't agree with is your last statement. I don't think even my best affiliate managers would have any clue about all the various ways of harvesting "domains-as-keywords" type keywords automatically.

But those are some great observations if the "$500 starting capital" claim is accurate.

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If you read the fine print...there is aslo a monthly membership fee of appox. $197.
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James, your posts look solid. I have decided to sign up AC with your affiliate link.

I have read a lot of review on AC, and there are both positive and negative replies. That does confuse ppl a lot, especially newbie like myself. However I do know we have to start from somewhere at sometime. I will risk that $2k I earned from some other business to give AC a try. Hopefully it works for me. I am not targeting $10k/day. $100/day at the very beginning is already good.

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HELP,
Did anyone get a chance to download the "Blue Print Video"? It's 17+ minutes long.

I tried to download it 20 plus times, it starts to play, then stops less than halfway through!

I couldn't afford the course at this time, but wanted the blue print. The video just wouldn't play all the way through!

Did anyone record it? Could I get a copy?

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In case you aren't on any guru's mailing list, last call for AC:

This is the last BIG push we will be making before
closing the doors.

Now is the time to make a whack more sales,
just for mailing for the conference call being held
today at 2:00pm EST.

Send one email, make a bunch more sales.

When your prospects hear professional teleseminar
guru Shawn Casey hosting the call, with Brad Fallon
Aymen and myslef, they are going to BUY.

Doesn't get easier and more simple than that.

To your Success!

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PS: How could I forget!!

We have just made a wicked powerful "Shock and Awe"
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Anyone on the fence will JUMP off after seeing this
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Mr. Guru,

All good things must come to an end...

After keeping their doors open as long as
they could, they are almost maxed out for
the number of new students they
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I wanted to let you know about the final
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It will be held Today at 2:00pm EST, 11:00am PST.

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And as a special bonus, just for registering for
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And you can see all of it for f*ree, just for
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In fact, the first part is here -- YOU DON'T EVEN
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If you have been thinking about getting involved in
Arbitrage or if you REALLY want to make money online
in 2009...

You NEED to be on this call.

It could easily be the best decision you have made
all year.

But space is limited, and this call WILL fill up (the last call
had over 9,000 registrations, and only 2,000 seats.)

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Talk soon,

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P.S. If you want to try the Arbitrage Conspiracy now, it is still
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Is the url arbitrageconspiracy.resourcez.com?
Is it closing within 3 hours?
I heard in some forums, people are condemning this kinda product.
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Something that has my BS factor ringing:
Aymen states that you don't need lists to do this type of marketing AND that he makes 50-100K from doing this system WITHOUT a list.
Yet, in order to get on the call, see the second video, etc., we are asked to provide an email address. Thus, creating a list for Ayman that he says he doesn't need.
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Something that has my BS factor ringing:
Aymen states that you don't need lists to do this type of marketing AND that he makes 50-100K from doing this system WITHOUT a list.
Yet, in order to get on the call, see the second video, etc., we are asked to provide an email address. Thus, creating a list for Ayman that he says he doesn't need.
Good catch, you need to look at all these things with a critical eye. However(and I am not supporting or condemning this product), what is is teaching in the course is a different system than what he is using to promote the course. Two separate business models. He needs a list for one, but not the other.

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So, I guess what you're saying, Kevin, is that even though dude makes 50-100K a day, there's always room to make more using other business models such as a list.
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Yes, I'd agree with that. Also, in my mind, just as important as "making more" would be diversifying income sources. Now Aymen is doing product creation, he can market affiliate products to his client base, and he has a pool of students to market for him when his CPA company launches. Very smart.

Again, not saying anything positive or negative on the actual material. I haven't seen it. In fact, I decided early on in the launch that it didn't fit in with my current plans for the next few months.

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Something that has my BS factor ringing:
Aymen states that you don't need lists to do this type of marketing AND that he makes 50-100K from doing this system WITHOUT a list.
Yet, in order to get on the call, see the second video, etc., we are asked to provide an email address. Thus, creating a list for Ayman that he says he doesn't need.
Just because he's building a list for this doesn't mean he didn't make great income through the techniques he's teaching.

Nikhil Parekh - who I know well - did 3.4 Million Gross (probably netted 1/2 that) in one year and that was without a list...but Nikhil has built a list in the IM field.

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Something that has my BS factor ringing:
Aymen states that you don't need lists to do this type of marketing AND that he makes 50-100K from doing this system WITHOUT a list.
Yet, in order to get on the call, see the second video, etc., we are asked to provide an email address. Thus, creating a list for Ayman that he says he doesn't need.
He said you don't need a list to do CPA marketing. He didn't say you don't need a list to promote a COURSE on CPA marketing. You...do understand that selling a make money course isn't CPA marketing, don't you?

I build a list with some CPA offers I promote, some I don't. I don't "need" to do it with any of them, I "choose" to do it because I can make more money. I could "choose" to not do it, and I would still do okay. So, if we ignore that you're confusing the two, he's right....you don't "need" a list. That doesn't mean you can't have one, or that it doesn't make sense to have one, it's just not necessary.
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The problem here is this, for someone who is only just starting out in this market, i read one post and think hey, this Arbitrage Conspiracy thing could be it, then a see a video which slags it off!

Who do I believe, for a relative beginner, its enough of a minefield, without these OTT comments from either side.

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HELP,
Did anyone get a chance to download the "Blue Print Video"? It's 17+ minutes long.

I tried to download it 20 plus times, it starts to play, then stops less than halfway through!

I couldn't afford the course at this time, but wanted the blue print. The video just wouldn't play all the way through!

Did anyone record it? Could I get a copy?

Thanks, Cisco
Try clearing your cashe, this can be a reason if video streaming stalls

Peter

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Aymen appeared a little bit tired on that Tuesday call. They had rough 2 weeks!

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Whoops, double post. See the post below this one.

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3 things I find very shady about this product launch:


1. The course was launched on Dec 10th, with a 30-day money-back guarantee. So a large portion of the customers have only until Jan 9th to request a refund (if they want one).

But the course doesn't even begin until Jan 5th!

This means the customers only have a few days to evaluate a tiny fraction (1/12th) of the course, before the guarantee period is over. So really, the so-called "30-day guarantee" is actually only a 4-day guarantee.

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Course doesn't start until Jan 5th, it's just filler until that point.
To be fair to his customers, Aymen should at least offer a 30-day guarantee that begins counting down only AFTER Jan 5th - when the actual course begins.


2. Some people may say "what about the second (conditional) guarantee?" Well the conditions for the second guarantee are so high that the guarantee is practically worthless.

The conditions for the second guarantee are that you have to create 2 campaigns a day for 12 weeks (that's 12x7x2 = 168 campaigns!). PLUS you have to GIVE AYMEN YOUR LOGIN INFO for your PPC accounts, to qualify for a refund!

Look, I have nothing against conditional guarantees. It's understandable to have a conditional guarantee to protect against do-nothing serial refunders.

BUT - it's one thing to require customers to take some action (e.g. create some campaigns) in order to get a refund (which is fair). It's another thing to require customers to jump through crazy hoops, and even compromise the security and private info of their businesses by giving up their login information for their PPC accounts, just to qualify for a refund (which is taking things too far and too extreme).

Yeah, they SAY setting up a campaign only takes 30 minutes. Truth is, when you consider the market research, keyword research, etc that goes into setting up a successful campaign - it can take significantly more than 30 minutes to setup a campaign. It's ridiculous to tell customers to spend 84 HOURS (according to Aymen's own claims - the actual time required is probably much more) and setup 168 CAMPAIGNS just to qualify for a refund. Something like 10 campaigns would more reasonable, and sufficient to protect against do-nothing serial refunders (as most of them wouldn't do ANYTHING).


3. Aymen is getting testimonials by offering affiliates extra commissions for their video testimonial.

Don't believe me? See for yourself at this link below (Aymen's own blog for Arbitrage Conspiracy affiliates):

http://www.arbitrageconspiracy.com/jv-blog/?p=3
(Save a copy of that webpage, because I wouldn't be surprised if Aymen changes or removes that page soon)

Originally Posted by www.arbitrageconspiracy.com/jv-blog/?p=3

We’re also doing something special as far as commissions.

They are set at 40%, but here’s how you can earn a whopping 50% commission…

1) Mail 2 times in the pre-launch and 2 times during the live launch - An extra 5%

2) Make your own video testimonial (you can refer to the Arbitrage Conspiracy report’s content) and allude to how much buzz there is about this “new level of revenue potential” since these secrets were exposed in Vegas.

If you were in Vegas at the event, talk about that, and how amazingly mind blowing and game changing it was for you - An Extra 5%

Note:
This is NOT a statement about the Arbitrage Conspiracy PRODUCT. The course hasn't even started yet. It could be a great course.

This is also NOT a statement about the affiliates who promoted Arbitrage Conspiracy and/or gave video testimonials for Arbitrage Conspiracy. Maybe they promoted it / gave testimonials because they went for the Vegas seminar and really believed in Aymen's content. It would NOT be fair to say that they gave testimonials because of the 5% commission "bribe".

But I AM of the opinion that Aymen's business practices in this product launch are pretty shady.

Also, I'm no lawyer, but I think the 3 points above could also potentially get Aymen's operation into legal trouble with the FTC - so he better hope the FTC doesn't receive complaints.
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For people in Asia, they have a CPA firm doing it. its dgm, asia branch, HQed in Singapore.

The deals are very little though. Currently, I signed up for their affiliate program and they have only 3 different companies.
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Re: 3 Shady Practices of The Arbitrage Conspiracy
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Originally Posted by newsecrets View Post

3 things I find very shady about this product launch:


1. The course was launched on Dec 10th, with a 30-day money-back guarantee. So a large portion of the customers have only until Jan 9th to request a refund (if they want one).

But the course doesn't even begin until Jan 5th!

This means the customers only have a few days to evaluate a tiny fraction (1/12th) of the course, before the guarantee period is over. So really, the so-called "30-day guarantee" is actually only a 4-day guarantee.


To be fair to his customers, Aymen should at least offer a 30-day guarantee that begins counting down only AFTER Jan 5th - when the actual course begins.


2. Some people may say "what about the second (conditional) guarantee?" Well the conditions for the second guarantee are so high that the guarantee is practically worthless.

The conditions for the second guarantee are that you have to create 2 campaigns a day for 12 weeks (that's 12x7x2 = 168 campaigns!). PLUS you have to GIVE AYMEN YOUR LOGIN INFO for your PPC accounts, to qualify for a refund!

Look, I have nothing against conditional guarantees. It's understandable to have a conditional guarantee to protect against do-nothing serial refunders.

BUT - it's one thing to require customers to take some action (e.g. create some campaigns) in order to get a refund (which is fair). It's another thing to require customers to jump through crazy hoops, and even compromise the security and private info of their businesses by giving up their login information for their PPC accounts, just to qualify for a refund (which is taking things too far and too extreme).

Yeah, they SAY setting up a campaign only takes 30 minutes. Truth is, when you consider the market research, keyword research, etc that goes into setting up a successful campaign - it can take significantly more than 30 minutes to setup a campaign. It's ridiculous to tell customers to spend 84 HOURS (according to Aymen's own claims - the actual time required is probably much more) and setup 168 CAMPAIGNS just to qualify for a refund. Something like 10 campaigns would more reasonable, and sufficient to protect against do-nothing serial refunders (as most of them wouldn't do ANYTHING).


3. Aymen is getting testimonials by offering affiliates extra commissions for their video testimonial.

Don't believe me? See for yourself at this link below (Aymen's own blog for Arbitrage Conspiracy affiliates):

Blog Archive We’re Out To Launch!
(Save a copy of that webpage, because I wouldn't be surprised if Aymen changes or removes that page soon)




Note:
This is NOT a statement about the Arbitrage Conspiracy PRODUCT. The course hasn't even started yet. It could be a great course.

This is also NOT a statement about the affiliates who promoted Arbitrage Conspiracy and/or gave video testimonials for Arbitrage Conspiracy. Maybe they promoted it / gave testimonials because they went for the Vegas seminar and really believed in Aymen's content. It would NOT be fair to say that they gave testimonials because of the 5% commission "bribe".

But I AM of the opinion that Aymen's business practices in this product launch are pretty shady.

Also, I'm no lawyer, but I think the 3 points above could also potentially get Aymen's operation into legal trouble with the FTC - so he better hope the FTC doesn't receive complaints.
Wow, it was talked about that the affiliates were being paid extra for their testimonials, but your link proves it beyond a doubt. Anyone who did that is total dirt. This whole promotion was built around the hype of the guru testimonials. This has got to be the sleaziest internet promotion I've ever seen.

Has there ever been a promotion launch for an IM product where the gurus got paid for testimonials like this?

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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