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Originally Posted by mikewa View Post

If anyone needs a copy of the sales letter dated Dec 11 with the original 12 week guarantee in, let me know and I will send it in a pdf!
For those of you that have PMed me for a copy of this, could you please PM me again with an email address. Unfortunately, I can't PM you back until I have done 15 posts apparently.

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Originally Posted by xenter View Post

If Aymen is so successful and he was just an average joe before, then why does price his product so high?
Why not?

Do you guys think we can go ask him and ask for profit sharing?
Sure you can. You can ask him anything you want.

Alright Aymen, you teach me what to do, I'll do it, and you keep 80% of the profit for 3 months. That should pay for the original price many times over!
If you aren't willing to do it for yourself for 100% of the profits, why should he be willing to do it for 80%? And if you think $2,000 is too much, why would paying him $4,000 make sense? Or what if your profits for that 3 months is only $1,000, possible because you deliberately limited your profits to keep his cut low, or because you ran out of capital, quit, lost your job, or whatever? Not much of a deal for him, is it?

If you aren't willing to invest in yourself, why the heck should a total stranger be willing to do it?
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That's a lot of money.. I wouldn't trust it. :p

Originally Posted by xenter View Post

If Aymen is so successful and he was just an average joe before, then why does price his product so high? Doesn't he remember what is like to be broke but have the drive to do whatever it takes to succeed?

Do you guys think we can go ask him and ask for profit sharing?

Alright Aymen, you teach me what to do, I'll do it, and you keep 80% of the profit for 3 months. That should pay for the original price many times over!

I'll even throw in video 20 testimonials.
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Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer View Post

We aren't being negative- we are re-acting to the deceit that these people push.

And that must be the oldest quote in the book.

What I find funny is, that Aymen is new to CPA (or coaching to large groups like this). This is the First time he is presenting this course.

Everyone who signed up, you're working with someone who has never taught this before to a large group like this. (or maybe he's hiding his past customers testimonials :confused

You're almost his "test" subjects for this launch.

Now because we don't go alone with the hype you say that silly quote?

PPC Coach already has is own network. And he's probably been doing it longer than Aymen. And he charges only 50$ a month. I'm not endorsing him, but I'd rather go with someone that is proven, someone who's probably been doing it longer, someone who HAS there own network in place already, and has already been established.

It makes more sense for me to work with someone who :

1. Has there own ESTABLISHED CPA network
2. Has probably been doing it longer
3. Doesn't add a bunch of hype and overcharge (to afford to pay affiliates)
4. Has STUDENTS testimonials and not paying for them

The thing is, no one has seen the whole course yet, so its all speculation. Which is why I'd go with someone who is proven. but thats just my personal opinion.



That's just speculation.
Excellent. Totally agree.

Some people are gonna lose alot of money (and time) with this program.

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Some people are gonna lose alot of money (and time) with this program.
Some people are gonna make a stack too.

We all get to choose.

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In the FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH category...

I was at the Las Vegas meeting.

I am featured in a testimonial on the Official Arbitrage Conspiracy website.

My opinion: AC is not for everyone.

I made a video explaining why.

See my sig.

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the sales page is still up and alive.
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Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

In the FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH category...

I was at the Las Vegas meeting.

I am featured in a testimonial on the Official Arbitrage Conspiracy website.

My opinion: AC is not for everyone.

I made a video explaining why.

See my sig.
I was relieved to find that except for one of the criteria, I seem to fit the mold of who will fit the mode of those who "could" benefit.
Having said that, the ability to follow detailed instructions AND implement them is where I'm lacking.
And I can tell you that I am SICK of the medical profession ratrace. The amount of hours and exposure I have to take on to make a piddling compared to these IM'ers is quite a span.

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I was relieved to find that except for one of the criteria, I seem to fit the mold of who will fit the mode of those who "could" benefit.
Having said that, the ability to follow detailed instructions AND implement them is where I'm lacking.
And I can tell you that I am SICK of the medical profession ratrace. The amount of hours and exposure I have to take on to make a piddling compared to these IM'ers is quite a span.

I really feel for you sir. I'm aware of the YEARS of SACRIFICE you and your loved ones must have made and the disappointment you must be feeling now with the current state of the medical profession.

Though I'm not in your profession, I've had my share of trials too. And I can tell you, that learning Internet Marketing has been the best move I've ever made. Good luck where ever your journey takes you. (Being in this forum is a good thing.)

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These guys are STILL pimping their course ... unreal, especially the "give you your money back" guarantee and the release of all the "course" material owners have received ... LOL at the whole thing

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Yes, you just read right.

If you follow our 12 week coaching program
beginning in 3 days, you will be firing your
boss by the time it's done...

Or we'll give you your money back.

So because it's ending we decided to do something
a little crazy...

Since we have had literally hundreds of questions
about how it all works, we decided there is no better
way to answer if this is for you than by giving you the
actual course overview and intro videos that all the
owners are seeing!

THE ARBITRAGE CONSPIRACY

Want to fire your boss? All you have to so is set
up an average of 2 campaigns a day, which takes all
of about 60 minutes per day once you get the hang of it.

If you can do this, we're telling you right now
this is going to work for you.

We're telling you right now, this is going to
change your life.

If you don't do this, do you have another 90 day plan
to fire your boss? Or will you still be in the same
position you are today 90, 120, 360 days from now?

You have very little time to get involved. Classes begin
on Monday, Jan. 5th, and the doors will close to this
very rare opportunity.

THE ARBITRAGE CONSPIRACY

Go take a final look today, before it's too late.

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Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

I really feel for you sir. I'm aware of the YEARS of SACRIFICE you and your loved ones must have made and the disappointment you must be feeling now with the current state of the medical profession.

Though I'm not in your profession, I've had my share of trials too. And I can tell you, that learning Internet Marketing has been the best move I've ever made. Good luck where ever your journey takes you. (Being in this forum is a good thing.)
I'm on the same page as you. I went to school reunion recently and many of the Dr's and specialists are working their butt off, missing family time and things like staffing, insurance and keeping up with info are choking many of them.

(And the pay is only so,so).

IM is THE best!!

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Originally Posted by PeterDudek View Post

In the FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH category...

I was at the Las Vegas meeting.

I am featured in a testimonial on the Official Arbitrage Conspiracy website.

My opinion: AC is not for everyone.

I made a video explaining why.

See my sig.
Ok, said I wouldn't post here, but after seeing this can't help myself.

Were you paid for your testimonial? How much extra affiliate commission did you get for making your testimonial?

What do you think of the arbitrage boys lying over and over again for their promotion. Did you agree with them switching their guarantee? Do you think it is a smart sales tactic to say it is going to sell out at the end of one day and then keep it open for three more weeks?

Do you think it is ethical to sell like this?

Oh and why you are here the day the launched this they delayed it for a full 24 hours. Then when they opened it they said that they had to delay it because "hackers" were trying to "prevent their message" from getting out. Was this for real or a lie?

If it is a lie does it matter or is it so important to sell that anything goes?

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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Do you think it is ethical to sell like this?
His video is just another affiliate based "buy it from me" vid.
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There's no conspiracy and it's arguably not arbitrage.

Arbitrage involves simultaneous transactions without risk. If you buy something to be sold later at a higher price you're not an arbitrageur, you're a merchant. Although it happens quickly, for a time you own the click. You owe Google or whoever, and the user has taken no action. Moreover, the user is not obliged to take any action, meaning you lose.

There is a factor which connects the two actions which is a conversion rate. Conversion rates must be established and are subject to change. There is the risk.

With any of these supposed "Gurus" the ever pertinent question is why if you're doing so well with this are you telling everyone else how to do it? Arbitrage by its very definition liquidates price differentials between markets. Introducing new participants into the market is bound to decrease opportunity. The only reason to go into the instruction market is that opportunities there are greater than actually practicing what you teach.

Funny, the original Ponzi scheme was based on the supposed arbitrage of postal coupons. Observant people at the time wondered why if Ponzi's methods were so great he was pumping his gains into real estate and traditional investments and not reinvesting them in his fool proof scheme.

Having said all of this, the system can work in a way. I've done it myself, four or so years ago. I was pumping several thousand dollars a day into adwords and clearing over a thousand. It lasted a little less than a year before petering out.

The problem is that people spending money aren't stupid. They, or someone with another sort of advantage will eventually become your competitor. You know, they have adwords accounts and can use the keyword tool too.

Oftentimes the only thing that will make a profitable conversion is the use of something sort of trick, like bidding on a domain name keyword, that won't last. Yes, I was doing that too, and as soon as the name holder gets in touch with Google, that door will close. Since it has been closing for at least four years I can't imagine that there is much more than a crack left.

All of this has been floated before with different names. What do you think "The Death of Adsense" was about two years ago. Click Flipping anyone? I notice that Scott Boulch is now hawking membership sites as the latest road to riches. Funny, he claimed rather strongly in the "Adsense" reports that click flipping was the final, sustainable stop.

Seems to me that the surest way to mark the death of an internet marketing method is when someone comes out with a course telling the masses how to do it.
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Ok, said I wouldn't post here, but after seeing this can't help myself.

Were you paid for your testimonial? How much extra affiliate commission did you get for making your testimonial?

What do you think of the arbitrage boys lying over and over again for their promotion. Did you agree with them switching their guarantee? Do you think it is a smart sales tactic to say it is going to sell out at the end of one day and then keep it open for three more weeks?

Do you think it is ethical to sell like this?

Oh and why you are here the day the launched this they delayed it for a full 24 hours. Then when they opened it they said that they had to delay it because "hackers" were trying to "prevent their message" from getting out. Was this for real or a lie?

If it is a lie does it matter or is it so important to sell that anything goes?
Here is the truth, believe it or not.
When I gave my testimonial in Vegas, I didn't know anything about getting an extra percentage of commission for doing so. I'm just a big fan of Brad Fallon and I will always vouch for him.

As far as the launch is concerned, I'm way too busy with all my other stuff to pay attention to the controversy. After I made the video and the blog, I forgot all about the launch and moved on to other things. I just recently found out there was controversy.

I made the video and the site and put my affiliate link there but I've got no bonuses. I've got no list. I had no visions of making big bucks with this as an affiliate. I figured all the usual gurus would make all the sales. I was just putting my two cents worth. I'm NOT a guru. I'm just some guy that makes a living online and I see this has value to the right person.

I was just trying to do what I could help some of the right people get to the course.

If you actually watch my video, you'll see that I really don't think AC is for everyone.

My feelings after being in Vegas and after years of experience online, this thing looks VERY interesting to someone like me. But for people who are NOT detail oriented, who don't like to read and follow tedious directions, who can't put in consistent work for several months, they should stay away. They'll fail with AC.

Me... I can read, I can work, I can plod along. I was impressed with the material I saw and am looking forward to taking the course.

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His video is just another affiliate based "buy it from me" vid.
Here is the actual text of an email I sent to my "list" (my personal friends - not a LIST like the gurus have):

Hi,
I've had several people contact me to thank me for my honest review of the Arbitrage Conspiracy program. I even had a few ask me if I had an affiliate link so that they could sign up for the program through my link.

I do have an affiliate link but really, if you see a real Guru out there with some amazing bonuses, I suggest you buy it from them. I am not a guru. I'm just a regular guy. I make a decent full-time living online (my businesses gross about $2,000,000/year) but I'm not a teacher of Internet Marketing.

If you see some bonuses out there, I won't be offended if you buy from those guys.
In fact, if you are not the type of person I describe in my video on <link removed by me> YOU SHOULD NOT GET ARBITRAGE CONSPIRACY AT ALL!

But if you ARE the type of person I describe, YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY GET IT...just not from me if you want a ton of bonuses. I just don't have them.

(I'm actually kind of flattered...they used my testimonial video I did at the $10,000 event on the sales page! How cool is that?!)

Anyway, I am going to be taking the course myself as a student so maybe I'll see you inside the forum they will have for the program!

Good luck!

Sincerely,

Peter Dudek

P.S. Really. Don't buy Arbitrage Conspiracy from me. Get it from someone with gobs of bonuses. But if for some reason you DO decide to use my link, I'll be happy to help you personally with the course if you need me to. Here's my link if you really want to use it: <link removed by me>

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Well said Peter. This course is NOT for everyone. If you do not like reading instruction manuals, doing detailed work for long periods of time and would rather spend your day talking to people than sitting down and working alone. This course or type of work is not for you. Everyone has a certain behavioral style and yours might not be cut out for this.

I suspect lots of people who bought it do not realize this and will not be successful.


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Peter you answered my question about whether you were paid for your testimonial or not. You didn't know you would be paid for it, but ended up being paid for it with a higher commission rate. Fair enough.

However you ignored all of my other questions so I'll repeat them again:

What do you think of the arbitrage boys lying over and over again for their promotion. Did you agree with them switching their guarantee? Do you think it is a smart sales tactic to say it is going to sell out at the end of one day and then keep it open for three more weeks?

Do you think it is ethical to sell like this?

Oh and why you are here the day the launched this they delayed it for a full 24 hours. Then when they opened it they said that they had to delay it because "hackers" were trying to "prevent their message" from getting out. Was this for real or a lie?

If it is a lie does it matter or is it so important to sell that anything goes?

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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963 comments and still going strong.
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Peter you answered my question about whether you were paid for your testimonial or not. You didn't know you would be paid for it, but ended up being paid for it with a higher commission rate. Fair enough.

However you ignored all of my other questions so I'll repeat them again:

What do you think of the arbitrage boys lying over and over again for their promotion. Did you agree with them switching their guarantee? Do you think it is a smart sales tactic to say it is going to sell out at the end of one day and then keep it open for three more weeks?

Do you think it is ethical to sell like this?

Oh and why you are here the day the launched this they delayed it for a full 24 hours. Then when they opened it they said that they had to delay it because "hackers" were trying to "prevent their message" from getting out. Was this for real or a lie?

If it is a lie does it matter or is it so important to sell that anything goes?
The reason I didn't answer the other questions is because I don't know anything about what happened. I don't think it's a bad thing to extend a launch. Companies extend sales all the time. Big deal. No problem.

Delayed opening days are not a big deal to me either. I didn't even know when the official launch day was. I didn't know it was delayed. I didn't know there was a change in the guarantee.

I quite honestly did not pay attention to AC after I put up my blog.

To answer your philosophical question, of course it is NOT ok to lie. It's wrong and it makes people mad so it doesn't even make good business sense.

But if someone changes their offer or the timing of their offer because of problems or other circumstances beyond their control, I don't feel I've been lied to.

Again, I don't know the other guys, but I know Brad Fallon. He's smart. He's helpful. He's honorable. He's someone I've learned a TON from. I trust him.

All the other stuff, all the controversy means nothing to me. I was in Vegas. I was impressed with the material I saw. After that, I got back to work on my other projects.

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Just start a new topic about this. This topic is about the Arbitrage Conspiracy.
Well he is also putting out a Arbitrage product, hence my post.
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The reason I didn't answer the other questions is because I don't know anything about what happened. I don't think it's a bad thing to extend a launch. Companies extend sales all the time. Big deal. No problem.

Delayed opening days are not a big deal to me either. I didn't even know when the official launch day was. I didn't know it was delayed. I didn't know there was a change in the guarantee.

I quite honestly did not pay attention to AC after I put up my blog.

To answer your philosophical question, of course it is NOT ok to lie. It's wrong and it makes people mad so it doesn't even make good business sense.

But if someone changes their offer or the timing of their offer because of problems or other circumstances beyond their control, I don't feel I've been lied to.

Again, I don't know the other guys, but I know Brad Fallon. He's smart. He's helpful. He's honorable. He's someone I've learned a TON from. I trust him.

All the other stuff, all the controversy means nothing to me. I was in Vegas. I was impressed with the material I saw. After that, I got back to work on my other projects.
Ok, so you dedicated an entire site to promoting the arbitage conspiracy complete with making a video and an affiliate link. Then you go to the warrior forum to pimp the link by telling people you made a video to go watch where you'll make money if they watch it and then click your affiliate link. You do all of this work and you say you have no idea of what has been happening. Like most of the other affiliates who promoted this and continue to do so you appear you don't need to see the product or even care how they promoted it to push it. You just say trust Fallon and the others. Well, from this if we've learned anything it is that you cannot blindly trust him or any of the other people behind this launch because they have not proven themselves to be trustworthy in the way they have promoted it and the hype. This is why arbitrage makes me angry, I liked many of the guys in the testimonials and now I can't trust them again.

Why not spend time making videos and being an affiliate for products and promotions that are actually good? There are good products in IM and good people. Not everything is as sleazy as this has been.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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Hi

Just now I found this thread. I have a question for affiliates of arbitrage conspiracy. Few days ago I decided to sign up for the arbitrage program and found lot of others offering cash rebates on signup. So far I got max $700 cash rebate upon signup. Any body can offer more than 700 here?. I am almost ready to signup for 700 cash rebate one. If any body can offer more than that please email me details at mahitsense@gmail.com.

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Based on the idea that complainers and folks that are always worried about getting ripped off rarely do better than those that just "get about their business" and get busy....I was wondering
Is TraderMike as willing as Peter Dudek to post his earnings over the past three years? If he is, are they anywhere close to P Dudek's?
And before I get attacked, let me just say that I have been a complainer and a paranoid freak myself about getting ripped off. I've so much as been told so by my friends. I think I can safely say that such a business model doesn't work.
So long as what the person is doing is ethical, I've always found it wiser to listen to the person making more money.
Isn't that the type of person you would want to model?

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Ok, so you dedicated an entire site to promoting the arbitage conspiracy complete with making a video and an affiliate link. Then you go to the warrior forum to pimp the link by telling people you made a video to go watch where you'll make money if they watch it and then click your affiliate link. You do all of this work and you say you have no idea of what has been happening. Like most of the other affiliates who promoted this and continue to do so you appear you don't need to see the product or even care how they promoted it to push it. You just say trust Fallon and the others. Well, from this if we've learned anything it is that you cannot blindly trust him or any of the other people behind this launch because they have not proven themselves to be trustworthy in the way they have promoted it and the hype. This is why arbitrage makes me angry, I liked many of the guys in the testimonials and now I can't trust them again.

Why not spend time making videos and being an affiliate for products and promotions that are actually good? There are good products in IM and good people. Not everything is as sleazy as this has been.
Dude.

There are people offering rebates up to their entire commissions all over the place. I'm not.

I have no delusions of anyone buying from me.

I was just trying to put my two cents in. I can see now that it was a mistake. (Apparently in this forum, having an affiliate link makes you ineligeble to take part in the discussions. Which seems weird but if that's how you guys play here, so be it. Seems odd.)

As emotional as some of you seem to be about this issue, I recommend you either decide to get it from whoever is offering the highest rebate or just forget all about it.

Good grief! It isn't worth this much stress! If you've got this much time and energy to freak out over the minutia of an offer, you should re-think how you're spending your time.

They made an offer. Take it or leave it. If you take it, for goodness sake buy it from someone who is willing to give you their commission. That's what I would do.

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Based on the idea that complainers and folks that are always worried about getting ripped off rarely do better than those that just "get about their business" and get busy....I was wondering
Is TraderMike as willing as Peter Dudek to post his earnings over the past three years? If he is, are they anywhere close to P Dudek's?
And before I get attacked, let me just say that I have been a complainer and a paranoid freak myself about getting ripped off. I've so much as been told so by my friends. I think I can safely say that such a business model doesn't work.
So long as what the person is doing is ethical, I've always found it wiser to listen to the person making more money.
Isn't that the type of person you would want to model?
Thanks for the props, Doctor! I was about to lose faith in my fellow man (or at least in my fellow Internet Marketers ;-)

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I'm strongly considering buying this program. I'm also an affiliate but haven't promoted it. If anyone is on the fence, perhaps this would be the incentive: Let's work out the detail of rebating you back the commission, and that way we both get it for wholesale. Please contact me immediately, the program is about to close (at least for now).
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Thanks for the props, Doctor! I was about to lose faith in my fellow man (or at least in my fellow Internet Marketers ;-)
Peter I think your are a cool dude too so don't worry. You know you are allowed to put a link to your blog or your website and that website can have a link to whereer you like.

This guy who has decided to make you his new victim has been dogging me for 19 pages and I too have been wondering how he has so much negative energy. He is passionate and full of anger.

The Irony...

All he is doing is providing more and more people the opportunity to hear about Arbitrage Conspiracy and I suspect he is driving sales up for them.

People are drawn to controversy and the amount of people seeing this thread just grows.

Toddy, I agree there is no way you can make a stack of money AND have time to post negative threads as well. They are mutually exclusive.

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You have done really good man. Besides you i have seen another great offer from this site:
Arbitrage Conspiracy Review Bonus

I bought from this guy and he is giving fantastic services and bonuses.

You all are just great.
Thanks did you buy from that site or is that your site?

(It has the exact same nameservers as the site in your sig file and the same person owns the sites on that nameserver (sxxxha pxxxxxn)? Co-incidence?)

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Hi all,

I have just recently brought into the Arbitrage Conspiracy and are looking forward to starting the course on Monday 5th Jan...

It has been interesting reading the posts regarding this, and the hype, controversy and discussion it has created!

(James Schramko) - I too live in Australia and was made redundant from the IT industry back in late Novemeber.. I am hoping that this course will provide the "nuts and bolts" to really make a substantial, consistent long-term income through PPC to CPA..

Its great to see another Ozzie in the forum here and there Particulary one with so much experience in IM and a positive attitude...

Be great to catch up for a beer some time!

I wish everyone (including me) taking part in the Arbitrage Conspiracy training the best success, and may we all be able to listen, learn, and apply these new skills effectively..

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Hi all,

I have just recently brought into the Arbitrage Conspiracy and are looking forward to starting the course on Monday 5th Jan...

It has been interesting reading the posts regarding this, and the hype, controversy and discussion it has created!

(James Schramko) - I too live in Australia and was made redundant from the IT industry back in late Novemeber.. I am hoping that this course will provide the "nuts and bolts" to really make a substantial, consistent long-term income through PPC to CPA..

Its great to see another Ozzie in the forum here and there Particulary one with so much experience in IM and a positive attitude...

Be great to catch up for a beer some time!

I wish everyone (including me) taking part in the Arbitrage Conspiracy training the best success, and may we all be able to listen, learn, and apply these new skills effectively..

Simon.
Hi Simon,

I think you have picked a great course to start with a clean slate and a can-do opportunity!

There are plenty of Aussies in here. What state are you in?

(edit - noticed you have Melbourne)

Let me know if you are in Sydney I'll buy you a coffee.

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Sounds great James - thanks
I would be interested to get you thoughts on the Arbitrage Conspiracy in more detail.. PM me if thats ok?

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Dude.

There are people offering rebates up to their entire commissions all over the place. I'm not.

I have no delusions of anyone buying from me.

I was just trying to put my two cents in. I can see now that it was a mistake. (Apparently in this forum, having an affiliate link makes you ineligeble to take part in the discussions. Which seems weird but if that's how you guys play here, so be it. Seems odd.)

As emotional as some of you seem to be about this issue, I recommend you either decide to get it from whoever is offering the highest rebate or just forget all about it.

Good grief! It isn't worth this much stress! If you've got this much time and energy to freak out over the minutia of an offer, you should re-think how you're spending your time.

They made an offer. Take it or leave it. If you take it, for goodness sake buy it from someone who is willing to give you their commission. That's what I would do.
Peter,

Thanks for the video, for some us of do appreciate it. This forum is actually a mirror of real life, full of positive and negative people. I'm sure I speak for others here in saying please don't stop posting here. I would much rather listen to the advice that you and James give than to listen to a chronic complainer. I get enough of that at my full time job.
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Yes from his site.We share same dedicated server .Good friend of him.
Ok cool,

Tell him he has done a great job with SEO - he has been holding great positions for a long time and he knows his stuff

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Peter,

Thanks for the video, for some us of do appreciate it. This forum is actually a mirror of real life, full of positive and negative people. I'm sure I speak for others here in saying please don't stop posting here. I would much rather listen to the advice that you and James give than to listen to a chronic complainer. I get enough of that at my full time job.
I don't think this particular guy is bad, and I think he thinks he's doing the right thing by pointing out all that has gone wrong with the AC launch in particular.
Sometimes, those of us who do complain and put out negativity, just don't realize how much this is really hurting US, let alone those around us.
P. Dudey's video (and yes, I coined that nickname) really spoke to me, and I certainly hope he continues to post here.

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How a product launch is handled has nothing to do with the quality of the product or a shitty product launch does not necessarily imply that the product can not deliver what it promises.As far as I know Aymen [from Affspy] he knows his stuff, makes what he claims and from the overview of the product I can say that it covers almost everything one need to be successful in CPA affiliate program marketing.
Rest assured no one can make moolah unless time, effort and money is invested in a proper way and proper places.

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Thanks to everyone for commenting and voicing their opinions. After all the advise, it seems at least for me to focus efforts on other internet marketing ventures.
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I don't think this particular guy is bad, and I think he thinks he's doing the right thing by pointing out all that has gone wrong with the AC launch in particular.
Sometimes, those of us who do complain and put out negativity, just don't realize how much this is really hurting US, let alone those around us.
P. Dudey's video (and yes, I coined that nickname) really spoke to me, and I certainly hope he continues to post here.
Good point. I wasn't directing what I said at any one person in particular. I have a strong, hardcore belief that life is what we make out of it. 99.9% of problems we encounter are brought on by ourselves. The blame game is lame...(I guess I just coined a phrase, also ) We are all adults, and it is up to us to look at something, make an educated decision and put forth an effort. I agree the launch wasn't a work of art, but it didn't bother me at all. I'm approaching this with an open mind and I'll reserve any criticism (if any) until I've had a chance to start going through the course. If I don't like what I see, I'll ask for a refund. Simple as that.
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I'm strongly considering buying this program. I'm also an affiliate but haven't promoted it. If anyone is on the fence, perhaps this would be the incentive: Let's work out the detail of rebating you back the commission, and that way we both get it for wholesale. Please contact me immediately, the program is about to close (at least for now).
So how much would we save if we did this? I have been following this thread for a while now.

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Yes, Arbitrage usually means zero risk... with Arbritage betting for example, you are guaranteed a profit regardless of the end scenario. Ofcourse, you have to stake great amounts to see a good margin.

With this Arbritage Conspiracy I see no guarantee. You have to rely on a course of action that is in no way a dead cert from a random web user. I don't know how anyone can get around finding CPA programs outside the US and would these known CPA networks/programs accept publishers with no website and no proven history of gaining high levels of traffic?

To think that they are asking for a huge upfront fee and the mere fact that they have delayed alot of the coverage doesn't look promising... just seems very risky to me with no true guarantee.

Sure is an interesting topic anyway. Best of luck to those going ahead with the program.

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Yes, Arbitrage usually means zero risk... with Arbritage betting for example, you are guaranteed a profit regardless of the end scenario. Ofcourse, you have to stake great amounts to see a good margin.
Most zero risk opportunities have zero rewards.


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With this Arbritage Conspiracy I see no guarantee. You have to rely on a course of action that is in no way a dead cert from a random web user.
Are you saying a random web user has the same odds as someone whi si trained by one of the worlds leading experts in this field?

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I don't know how anyone can get around finding CPA programs outside the US and would these known CPA networks/programs accept publishers with no website and no proven history of gaining high levels of traffic?
That is because you don't have the course - which answers the point just above.
The arbitrage conspiracy guys don't live in the US. Yes you can easily get accepted to CPA programs if you do it the way they teach you.



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To think that they are asking for a huge upfront fee and the mere fact that they have delayed alot of the coverage doesn't look promising... just seems very risky to me with no true guarantee.

Sure is an interesting topic anyway. Best of luck to those going ahead with the program.
There are no guarantees in life. Have you calculated the risk of tiptoeing through life to get to the other side safely?

What is the risk of not taking action and finding fault with everything to justify non-action?

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....As far as I know Aymen [from Affspy] he knows his stuff, makes what he claims and from the overview of the product I can say that it covers almost everything one need to be successful in CPA affiliate program marketing.
Rest assured no one can make moolah unless time, effort and money is invested in a proper way and proper places.

That is spot on. Aymen knows his stuff and three months from now there will be others who attest to that.

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The bigger question is who is going to win that Nissan that they're giving away to the top affiliate?

Pretty sweet ride...

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The bigger question is who is going to win that Nissan that they're giving away to the top affiliate?

Pretty sweet ride...
It is looking like Shawn will get that one

Looks awesome

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Yes, Arbitrage usually means zero risk... with Arbritage betting for example, you are guaranteed a profit regardless of the end scenario. Ofcourse, you have to stake great amounts to see a good margin.
Agreed entirely. This is not arbitrage, period. It is "buy low sell high". TDBrian covered this fact quite well earlier in the thread.

I don't know how anyone can get around finding CPA programs outside the US
Through the use of proxy servers. CPA marketers living outside the US do it all the time.

and would these known CPA networks/programs accept publishers with no website and no proven history of gaining high levels of traffic?
Yes they will. You had better know how to "talk the talk" however, in order to convince them that you are serious. I know countless newbie CPA marketers from all over the world who managed to get accepted at several networks when they were starting out.

To think that they are asking for a huge upfront fee and the mere fact that they have delayed alot of the coverage doesn't look promising...
Also agreed... and it's unfortunate. I know the two guys behind the product personally, and they REALLY know their stuff. But Brad Fallon being handed the launch, appears to have been a pretty unfortunate mistake. Then again, can $5million from their first product launch, be called a mistake? I suppose it's all in the point of view of the observer.

just seems very risky to me with no true guarantee.
Nope, and there can never be a true guarantee in business. Even true financial arbitrage has the possibility of going wrong - albeit HIGHLY unlikely, the probability of failure is never truly ZERO. Running a business or being self employed or whatever you wish to call it, has a large amount of risk. That risk is also commensurate with the reward on the other side. I haven't had a "paycheck" in about 10 years, and in that 10 years I've declared bankruptcy and had multiple foreclosures. But guess what? I still don't have a job and never will again (other than the job I often create for myself by taking on too many projects! LOL)

CPA marketing CAN be very lucrative. I'm not in the 6-figure-per-day league (yet) but I am at the 4-figure daily level. However as nice as that is, I always urge people to not make CPA marketing - or really ANY affiliate marketing - your sole source of income. Diversify your risk, create some products, buy private label rights if you must, whatever. But make sure that if affiliate marketing was declared illegal tomorrow - you'd be just fine without it.

Definitely an interesting thread, to be sure!

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I was one of about 140 people that attended the Aymen and the Arbitrage Conspiracy one day event. I happen to be an affiliate of the product as well but this message would be the same whether or not I was an affiliate. The day was fast and trying to keep up was a little difficult at times, but on behalf of Aymen it was a difficult task to present a 12 week training program over the course of one day is quite a feat to accompllish. I went in to the room that morning not knowing a whole lot about CPA marketing, but thanks to Aymen and team I came out of that room that day probably knowing more about CPA then somebody having a years experience. This guy was that knowledgable. Far more experienced people in the room than I were glued to the presentation and were as amazed as I. When a speaker can get the likes of Eban Pagen, Mike Filsaime, Russell Brunson, Buck Rizvi, Dr. Mike, and Tellman Knudson, you better know you have the goods to hold that kind of an audience. I think if any of the readers were there I'm sure you would be more inclined to believe the kind of money they are claiming to make is true. Anyway I just wanted to give my insight being there at the event in Vegas in Dec.
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Yes, Arbitrage usually means zero risk... with Arbritage betting for example, you are guaranteed a profit regardless of the end scenario. Ofcourse, you have to stake great amounts to see a good margin
That's what I thought at first, too. But when I went to Investwords definition of arbitrage to look it up i found the definition as:

"Attempting to profit by exploiting price differences of identical or similar financial instruments, on different markets or in different forms. The ideal version is riskless arbitrage." with riskless arbitrage defined as:

"A risk-free transaction consisting of purchasing an asset at one price and simultaneously selling that same asset at a higher price, generating a profit on the difference."

I don't know if most people assume arbitrage is riskless arbitrage - but I would guess that's what whoever the copywriters/planners behind the launch were counting on.

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I was one of about 140 people that attended the Aymen and the Arbitrage Conspiracy one day event. I happen to be an affiliate of the product as well but this message would be the same whether or not I was an affiliate. The day was fast and trying to keep up was a little difficult at times, but on behalf of Aymen it was a difficult task to present a 12 week training program over the course of one day is quite a feat to accompllish. I went in to the room that morning not knowing a whole lot about CPA marketing, but thanks to Aymen and team I came out of that room that day probably knowing more about CPA then somebody having a years experience. This guy was that knowledgable. Far more experienced people in the room than I were glued to the presentation and were as amazed as I. When a speaker can get the likes of Eban Pagen, Mike Filsaime, Russell Brunson, Buck Rizvi, Dr. Mike, and Tellman Knudson, you better know you have the goods to hold that kind of an audience. I think if any of the readers were there I'm sure you would be more inclined to believe the kind of money they are claiming to make is true. Anyway I just wanted to give my insight being there at the event in Vegas in Dec.
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Course does sound interesting, might check it out.
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I think sometimes the Websters or similar text book definition is not always the same when put into real world. There is an Arbitrage type of transaction in the Stock and Bond market, and as we all know the stock and bond market is anything but RISKLESS. There is also an Arbitrage in the Import/Export business as well....I think with all launches there is something about the marketing with each and every launch that someone will be offended at. We all know there is a little grey mixed in with all that black and white when it comes to marketing. But I think the most important thing to remember is and what we must ask ourselves is "Is the product worth the money we pay for it and can we learn enough from it to prosper ourselves" Having been at this event myself and putting into practice what I learned with CPA, I can speak for myself and I can without a doubt say that this product is worth several times it's cost and if you truly take what you learn and put it into practice there is no reason why anybody can't eventually make the kind of money they make with their CPA system.
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