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Unread 5th Jan 2009, 01:43 AM   #951
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Sorry, I'll take the aff link off.
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Is there a way to contact Ayman? email?
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Is there a way to contact Ayman? email?
I reckon he would be pretty busy today.

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Less than 24 hours to go....? and they are pushing it quite hard still. Making it sound like life will be quite rough without buying it. Hmm maybe they are right. I think it will be a good program and as lessons are out now, I guess we will start to find out. At least in the last email I got he talks about needing a cash balance to finance it before profit comes, I was glad to see that.

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It has started.

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i thought this was supposed to start on the 5th? anyone know what's going on?

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I have listened to a great deal of the content from Lesson I.

It's all beginner stuff.

I'm going through the transcripts and I'll see if they ramp it up next week.

I hope they do.

There was really not very much meat here....

Sigh.

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I'm having trouble seeing the videos especially 8,9 and 10. The audio is comming through ok but the visual seems to be stuck on the same spot for long periods of time. Can anybody put forward a possible solution to this for me.
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Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

I have listened to a great deal of the content from Lesson I.

It's all beginner stuff.

I'm going through the transcripts and I'll see if they ramp it up next week.

I hope they do.

There was really not very much meat here....

Sigh.

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Harlan they did promise to make it Step-By-Step for beginners. They can hardly jump in at blackbelt level..

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Harlan they did promise to make it Step-By-Step for beginners. They can hardly jump in at blackbelt level..
James, I know you have a vested interest here. I don't.

Their guarantee says do at least two campaigns a week.

On the basis of what they taught, no one would be able to do that.

James, the clock is half way through my refund period (from the day I bought).

How convenient.

I'd really like to be convinced by them there is something valuable here.

So far, as a consumer, there isn't.

So I'm giving them another week.

I'll review the materials again. I'll print out the manuals.

But just because someone knows how to MAKE money, doesn't mean they know how to TEACH it.

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Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

James, I know you have a vested interest here. I don't.

Their guarantee says do at least two campaigns a week.

On the basis of what they taught, no one would be able to do that.

James, the clock is half way through my refund period (from the day I bought).

How convenient.

I'd really like to be convinced by them there is something valuable here.

So far, as a consumer, there isn't.

So I'm giving them another week.

I'll review the materials again. I'll print out the manuals.

But just because someone knows how to MAKE money, doesn't mean they know how to TEACH it.

Peace.
That all makes sense. You are a high level competent so your trigger point for convincing will be higher than the average bear.

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That all makes sense. You are a high level competent so your trigger point for convincing will be higher than the average bear.
Okay James, answer the question.

You have access to the materials.

On the basis of what they have taught so far, could someone run a profitable campaign to be in compliance of their guarantee?

Or did they just set everyone up to fail?

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Just went through first weeks videos...... Emmanual sounds like a really nice guy and he is very genuine, top notch attitude that boosts your morale while training. HOWEVER, I have to say they should have picked someone else that can articulate clearly. I figured out why I get a headache (and anxiety, believe it or not) after a good sitting....my brain is rearranging his words for me in order to make sense of what hes saying. Did that make sense? OMG....its rubbing off on me. LOL
Its all good I guess, just gotta drink more brain juice.

I gotta say, I am usually a good judge of character, and so far Aymen and Emmanual sound very geniune, UNLIKE the sales page that was typical hype. I agree, the first week was WAY too basic, I mean they gave us a couple weeks to figure out alot more than what was covered in this weeks lesson.

Sure has an impressive blueprint, unfortunately for a quick learner such as myself, they are saving the best for last. I HATE waiting......
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I think what you all will find is that Aymen and Emmanual wanted this course to be for everyone, from the newbie all the up to experienced CPA Marketer. If they had started out with the tuff stuff the newbies would be complaining. I think if all is patient you will find that things are going to get a lot more technical and for the experienced, the intention was to reach a very broad audience.
I wish a very prosperous and happy new year to everyone.
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Emmanuel is constantly banging his mouse during the videos, and I find that a tad annoying.
Not having the shock and awe videos up is bad form. I am quite sure that this is one of the questions they're getting that they are ignoring.
Having said that, I do realize focusing on that stuff while we're learning AC is also bad form; however, they could have had those bonuses out in the month we were waiting for Lessson I.

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On the basis of what they have taught so far, could someone run a profitable campaign to be in compliance of their guarantee?

Or did they just set everyone up to fail?
that's an interesting point.

guarantee #1 changed during the launch- and guarantee #2 is an illusion?


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This arbitrage thing is really taking the internet marketing by storm. A lot of people are taking it well!

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interesting... I guess ill be saving my money for something else then..
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i am also agreeing, the technique isn't original . but that leave on who to go with?
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Good afternoon everyone. I am currently looking at Week 1 lessons. As a new person I am finding them helpful. I found that if I downloaded the vids and watched them in Real Player they sonded and looked much better.
How did you download the videos? I tried right clicking on the video and no download available.
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Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

I have listened to a great deal of the content from Lesson I.

It's all beginner stuff.

I'm going through the transcripts and I'll see if they ramp it up next week.

I hope they do.

There was really not very much meat here....

Sigh.

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How beginner is beginner?
The video case studies at Cash Tactics | The Internet Marketing Blog are pretty beginner orientated and FREE but also very well done :-)

I'm thankful you guys are all posting your experiences here.

Does anyone know if Eben has started to add millions to his bottom line through Arbitrage Conspiracy like he said in the videos?
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The banging of the table is kind of grating...

However the key to success has already been spilled. It's a shocker, but you must build campaigns daily to succeed. The rest is going to be filling in the blanks.

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The banging of the table is kind of grating...

However the key to success has already been spilled. It's a shocker, but you must build campaigns daily to succeed. The rest is going to be filling in the blanks.
Agreed, but what are your thoughts on what they are teaching here in the first week?

Direct linking to email/zip submits on Google Search using the offer's URL? You can't be serious.

If people are new, and have a shiny, never used new Adwords account, setting up the campaigns in the above manner will get that account all kinds of slapped. Most new people are not going to have multiple credit cards to setup additional Adwords accounts.
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Agreed, but what are your thoughts on what they are teaching here in the first week?

Direct linking to email/zip submits on Google Search using the offer's URL? You can't be serious.

If people are new, and have a shiny, never used new Adwords account, setting up the campaigns in the above manner will get that account all kinds of slapped. Most new people are not going to have multiple credit cards to setup additional Adwords accounts.
That is discouraging.
I can't believe they would lead us down that kind of path without some greater purpose in mind. From what little I know of PPC, the first campaigns AC recommended us to create does seem to fly in the face of all that is holy.
I think I'd better shove some love to Yahoo and MSN Adcenter to post my schlocky campaigns.

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When a speaker can get the likes of Eban Pagen, Mike Filsaime, Russell Brunson, Buck Rizvi, Dr. Mike, and Tellman Knudson, you better know you have the goods to hold that kind of an audience.
Dude, they were paid to be there. It was a JV seminar. Everyone who had to pay $10k or $8k to show up basically covered the cost to get all those "figure heads" into the room. Wake up.
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Agreed, but what are your thoughts on what they are teaching here in the first week?

Direct linking to email/zip submits on Google Search using the offer's URL? You can't be serious.

If people are new, and have a shiny, never used new Adwords account, setting up the campaigns in the above manner will get that account all kinds of slapped. Most new people are not going to have multiple credit cards to setup additional Adwords accounts.
You're likely to get slapped even if you have an old account with a good history, because Google is slapping many of those offers at the domain level.

When a speaker can get the likes of Eban Pagen, Mike Filsaime, Russell Brunson, Buck Rizvi, Dr. Mike, and Tellman Knudson, you better know you have the goods to hold that kind of an audience.
It's amazing what one can accomplish with $1,000 commissions.
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Coming over the horizon: There will be an end to CPA as we know it. Thats why this report was created to open all our eyes.

Do you think someone would divulge his most intimate secrets if something still works even if its bringing me $10,000/month; I wouldn't?

You be the judge but I can tell you this look past the bells, whistles, and smokescreen and see what is really going on.

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Coming over the horizon: There will be an end to CPA/SEO as we know it.

Thats why this report was created to open all our eyes and shed some light on this industry.

Do you think someone would divulge his most intimate secrets if something still works even if its bringing me $10,000/month; I wouldn't?

You be the judge but I can tell you this look past the bells, whistles, and smokescreen and see what is really going on.

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Originally Posted by bluphire View Post

Coming over the horizon: There will be an end to CPA/SEO as we know it.

Thats why this report was created to open all our eyes and shed some light on this industry.

Do you think someone would divulge his most intimate secrets if something still works even if its bringing me $10,000/month; I wouldn't?

You be the judge but I can tell you this look past the bells, whistles, and smokescreen and see what is really going on.

Have a good day!

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Twice in fact! Memorable stuff.

But actually agree with your thesis - they're not giving anything of long term value away. I am grateful how this pantomime is playing out. Anyone entering IM should be compulsory compelled to watch.

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Sorry, I'll take the aff link off.
Opie57, why do you still have an affiliate link in your signature, when you already know it's against the rules, and you've said you'll remove it?
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Is this another launch that has got lost in crowd?
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Is this another launch that has got lost in crowd?
Maybe your crowd.

Launch did over $5m
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Maybe your crowd.

Launch did over $5m
Let's watch the refund rate. See if they brag about that.

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Let's watch the refund rate. See if they brag about that.
Once they take down the sales page the affiliate trolls that have been posting here will all disappear and all that will be left will be the dissapointed people.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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Okay James, answer the question.

You have access to the materials.

On the basis of what they have taught so far, could someone run a profitable campaign to be in compliance of their guarantee?

Or did they just set everyone up to fail?
Harlan,

If you have the inkling I'd be curious about your thoughts as a copywriter. I was at the Thomasolu (not sure of spelling) workshop a while back and the copywriting intelligence in that room was ridiculous.

Let's say the course was a great course. I'm not saying that it is or it isn't. But let's assume for the sake of this that it is.

What type of guarantee would you have put on the course?

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Hi James,

I'm floundering with PPC can you pls send me a link to PPC Coach

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The banging of the table is kind of grating...

However the key to success has already been spilled. It's a shocker, but you must build campaigns daily to succeed. The rest is going to be filling in the blanks.
Thanks PPC Coach - what's the chance of an email with links to join your program

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I'm floundering with PPC can you pls send me a link to PPC Coach

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Agreed, adware is very easy to use with trademarked names, but make sure you get permission from the merchant before sending any traffic. They sure do notice 10,000 impressions in 5 minutes hitting their pages from you.

I also agree there has got to be more to this product then just direct linking to cpa offers. Maybe he's going to show how to land private deals, (which are awesome). Anyhow, I decided to join the fray and will give back the bulk of my commission to anyone buying their product through my link.
Hey I herd that if you use direct linking to merchants website with adwords that they give you a poor quality score, is this true?

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Did anybody order this course and wouldn't mind doing a share. I'm willing to pay half the price of the course. Why pay the entire amount, when 2 or 3 people can pool their money and share the course. As long as the random ISP access is reasonable, they'd have no issues based on their free conference call.

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Wow, did Tiger Woods allow you to set up a punchline marketing campaign for someone/yourself? He better not see your post, or you might run into some serious trouble...

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Harlan,

If you have the inkling I'd be curious about your thoughts as a copywriter. I was at the Thomasolu (not sure of spelling) workshop a while back and the copywriting intelligence in that room was ridiculous.

Let's say the course was a great course. I'm not saying that it is or it isn't. But let's assume for the sake of this that it is.

What type of guarantee would you have put on the course?

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I'd guarantee the whole course if I was doing it because I'd know the quality.

I'd also put up a monitored forum so I could answer questions.

A lot of people buy during a launch because of the hype and excitement.

This one however seems to have a serious problem delivering.

Changing the guarantee is a real stupid idea.

Delivering less than stellar material is even more stupid.

After all the criticism, which they are surely aware of, they aren't cleaning up their act.

I'm waiting for week 2 and then it's time to decide.

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Did anybody order this course and wouldn't mind doing a share. I'm willing to pay half the price of the course. Why pay the entire amount, when 2 or 3 people can pool their money and share the course. As long as the random ISP access is reasonable, they'd have no issues based on their free conference call.

If anyone has the course and is interested, shoot me a P.M and we can discuss it. Thanks.
This is completely against the rules of the AC and dishonest in itself.

Why pay the entire amount for anything?

Just steal it - which is what you are doing here.

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I'm waiting for week 2 and then it's time to decide.
Harlan,

I'd love to do that too...

but unfortunately, I ordered Dec. 10 and according to a support ticket I sent, the guarantee period starts AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE. Talk about a crock. Especially since they accepted new members right up until Jan 5 or 6 when it was supposedly going to be limited in number and/or shut down much sooner.

Big time bush league. Like people who are going to shell out $2,000 are goning to screw them by taking their content and running. :rolleyes:

And IMO there is NO WAY that anyone can determine that the course is worth the price based on the first week of material.

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Let's watch the refund rate. See if they brag about that.
Yeah, if they didn't get a ton of refunds after the week 1 material they are REALLY getting over. They have to cover the new people who have no clue but man, I think if you have any experience with Adwords that action plan they gave is just terrible and will do more harm than good in the long run.
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I am really, really disappointed with this. The action plan for week 1 is to set up 2 Adwords campaigns per day using direct linking for email and zip submits, bidding no more than $0.25 per click.

This is impossible.

1. Direct linking means that you are competing with all other affiliates. Google won't sell you clicks if another, higher paying, affiliate is already bidding on the same keyword on the same URL.

2. The landing pages for email and zip submits are usually so brief that they have virtually no content and Google gives a 'Poor' quality score and will slap you.

3. Even if you can find an offer where 1. and 2. above don't apply, most of the offers pay about $1.25 for a lead. This means that if you do manage to buy clicks for $0.25 then you need a conversion rate of 1 in 5 (20%) to break even. That's not realistic.

I knew all this already but I thought that TAC would be teaching something smarter than this. Newbies will fall into a big Adwords trap and more experienced marketers (like me) who joined on 11 December will have to hit the refund button before week 2 even starts.

I've put in some support questions and I hope they'll deal with this in tonight's webinar. But I feel a let-down coming on.

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Wow, did Tiger Woods allow you to set up a punchline marketing campaign for someone/yourself? He better not see your post, or you might run into some serious trouble...
My post has a link to a site and the site page title displays in the post - so the answer is no.

I have not set up a punchline marketing campaign with or without his permission.

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Li, you must live on this forum - 500 posts in just a couple of months wow!

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WOW, interesting to see who comments what. James You Rock, Thanks and thanked so many times, positive contribution, making money.

I think in life there are 2 types of persons: Those who Make it Happen and those who Sees it happen.

Those who make money and those who count for the others.

The guys that are making the money, the arbitrage conspiracy guys are probably never gonna come here and see the bitching , theyre probably cranking like crasy

Im reading the report and I do PPC and CPA and I can tell you I get some lightbulbs,

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If they did that to me, I'd be out of there already.

It's beginning to smell.

I don't think they know how to teach it.

I believe they do it.

But I've already heard the secrets they have coming and believe me,
it ain't nothing special.

Ready....

Prepare your campaigns offline and bulk upload them to Yahoo.

There.

I gave it all away.

Since they haven't taught this yet, I don't feel bad about revealing their super duper secret.

I have the luxury of another week.

I'll double check.

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BTW, it is totally not a money thing with me.

It's a feeling of getting ripped off.

And I bought through Keith Baxter's link to get his Dark Side of CPA.

Now that is one guy who knows CPA.

So, if I refund, he loses his commission which I will immediately pay him
because his course is worth it.

Peace.

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