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Unread 14th Jan 2009, 04:00 PM   #1251
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I feel like I'm wearing 3 hats, the wool is being pulled over my eyes on at least 3 different levels!

I've already decided that PPC CPA is not for me, I'd rather spend the time and money and effort required to test 160+ campaigns building niche blogs to generate free SEO traffic and run CPA ads on them, any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by buzzword View Post

Never said EVERYONE does it. Never said YOUR site does.

I simply said "Say what you will, but IT HAPPENS!". Would you not agree your CPA affiliates should use some method to include anonymity in their keywords?
My tracker does hide keywords and can hide traffic sources too. To veer on the side of safety is fine with me.


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By the way, PPC-Coach, did you know that clicking the link in your signature produces this:

"Reported Attack Site!

This web site at 220.196.59.23 has been reported as an attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

Attack sites try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.

Some attack sites intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners."


Thought you might want to know. I was actually gonna check out your sites.
You have some kind of trojan/virus/adware on your system that is redirecting to a chinese ip address, (not my site). I have removed adware before and can help you with this if you want. Most anti-virus programs can't see some adware and even spybot search and destroy or adaware cannot see it. I would grab a free program called "Hijack This", run a report and send me the log file if you want. I can usually spot the problem and show you how to safely remove it.

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Originally Posted by digabot View Post

Yeah, and "We get 500 Questions each week"...

AND ANSWER 5!
500 questions in a week is actually pretty low. I answer over 125 per day from my members via private messages and email, (and my forum has over 52,000 posts full of info that they can search through too). I'm not sure why they can't handle their volume as it's not that high and there's more then one of them.

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Originally Posted by digabot View Post

Think about what you're saying.

If you were to do an average of 2 campaigns per day for 12 weeks that's 168 campaigns. If you used only $30 to test each offer (which is WAY too low to get any meaningful data in most cases) and didn't make any money, you would be down $5040 - not to mention a huge chunk of your time.

Thanks so much for mentioning this, digabot! I was thinking along the same lines last night and though my math was a bit different, the point is the same.

Arbitrage Conspiracy is not a $2000 course – it's a $3,500 course (or $5000, or whatever)!


The total cost is dependent upon how much you spend on your testing, but the point is profound. How many of us really understood this before we pulled the trigger? Not too many, I expect, and how could we? We didn't truly comprehend the financial impact of the course methodology.

We can argue about who's "fault" this is, but it's a not insignificant "hidden cost" in the course and a significant oversight not to make that clear to would-be buyers, early adopters and noobs who know absolutely nothing about the subject.

I mean, every one of us knows that we're going to have to spend money on a new endeavor. It's business, after all. And certainly, a 2K course "separates the men from the boys," so to speak.

But a lot of people who paid for this course scraped every last dime together to do so. Now they're confronted with a reality that they're going to have to spend the same amount again – if not a heck of a lot more – to meet the bare minimum standard for a refund, much less find success.

I think disclosure of this salient fact was yet another oversight brought about by the pell-mell rush to get this product out, but it's a very, very significant one.

We were lead to believe that because of the "miraculous" info in this "super-duper" course that we could bypass all the difficulties Aymen and Emmanuel went through. That it would be a short-cut to success in CPA, where we would benefit from their years of hard won knowledge. Nothing specific was said (I don't think), but the intimation was that you could get into CPA for a few bucks (relatively speaking). Nobody so much as implied that it would cost you thousands and thousands on top of the course itself to be successful!

Combined with all the other miscues, half-measures, screw-ups, blown deadlines and more, I consider this yet another profound and material "oversight" in a program that I once had very high hopes for.

Also, on the subject of the bonuses... it occurs to me that the reason they haven't delivered on them is rather more "sinister" than stated. Aymen has said it's because he doesn't want to distract people from the focus on the course, and the bonuses will come along later. This may well be the true reason and fair enough if so. But on the other hand, as more and more people pull the rip cord and demand a refund, I would think their "ancillary costs" (like bonuses) go down, too. A further way to cut corners and costs?

Besides, based on what I've seen so far, I'm not holding my breath for the bonuses at all. The ones in the back office to this point are, IMHO, flat-out lame. And though I didn't make the cut for the "quality time with Guru Aymen" bonuses (snif), at this point I really don't care at all...

I'm going to mull it over today, but based on all that I've seen so far, heard and learned here... I think I'm bailing out too.

Too bad. Done properly, this could have been a killer course and a killer experience. But it's very clear to me now there are better teachers on this subject available, better materials (in many cases available for free) and less expensive ways to get there from here.

I do agree with the notion that the true "golden nuggets" of the course may be the advanced business expansion and management materials (e.g. "scaling"). But, to my mind, this begs the question. If the material in the course, as presented, won't allow you succeed, the scaling and advanced course materials don't mean anything to you!

Not to put it too strongly, but IMHO, if you can't succeed wildly in a course following the course to the letter, then the problem is not the person taking the course. Stated another way, if the only way I can "succeed" with The Arbitrage Conspiracy is to significantly deviate from what is being taught, it is by definition a bad course.

This reminds me of the sleazy real estate guru courses where they repackage a bunch of worn-out and lame info and call it "revolutionary." Sorry if that offends anyone, but that's the way I see it at this point.

In closing, I want to thank each and every person here in the forum – pro, con or otherwise – for participating in this discussion. It's helped me A LOT!

Best of luck to you all!
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Originally Posted by kenwarrior View Post

You got to laught, in one of the week 2 videos the guy actually said...

"...in this video I'm going to answer most of your questions err hum and if your question is not answered err hum try and work it out yourself err hum and send in your question again err hum... "
Weak. Lame. Pathetic. I couldn't believe that when I heard it either, kenwarrior. It's like a frank admission of total defeat... a complete lack of interest in really supporting the product.

Not that it matters at this point for me (as I think I'm done with AC), but they've yet to specifically address ANY of the questions I've sent in, either.

Do you think I'm surprised? :confused:
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Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

500 questions in a week is actually pretty low. I answer over 125 per day from my members via private messages and email
I don't know how you do it, PPC-Coach, but more kudos to you!

Would that other operations took the same interest in customer service as you. With a multi-million dollar launch, you'd think the AC Boys could at least afford an autoresponder.

Apparently not.

Ridiculous!
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Mann, Kenwarrior, Sarah....we all seem to have seen the light. I don't know about you guys but I am feeling a bit scammed by the big hype from some of the biggest names in the biz. Funny they all seem to be pretty quiet???no? It occurred to me on Monday that it could be a pretty good scam...2500 people paying 2k. Mostly through affiliates - ok, so 1k x 2500.....send out week 1 and week 2 videos, a "confidential report", get all the "gurus" on board. Voila...skip town with 2.5 mil. Pretty good one if you ask me. They still haven't issued my refund after 3 days (it supposedly has been accepted) and they locked me out immediately! Has anyone actually received their refund????

I'm moving on....Niche Blueprint looks pretty damn good to me.
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Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

500 questions in a week is actually pretty low. I answer over 125 per day from my members via private messages and email, (and my forum has over 52,000 posts full of info that they can search through too). I'm not sure why they can't handle their volume as it's not that high and there's more then one of them.
Nice Advertisement.
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I'm moving on....Niche Blueprint looks pretty damn good to me.
So you're going from promoting CPA Offers to Physical Product Dropshipping?
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To Harlan

Got you PM but my responses are restricted until I have 15 posts. LOL. Send me an email to kumpunen at Gee Mail and I can respond to your questions.

karmapoolcleaner We're all flying through space in Orion Spur, a minor spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy, at combined orbital speeds of probably around 600 kilometers a second. Let's make it fun ride. No victory is worth celebrating if it is at the expense of your fellow man. There's no glory in taking advantage of people's ignorance, stupidity or even their greed to make a buck.
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Originally Posted by nobodyspecial View Post

What are you 13? How about a little control over your hormones.
No, i'm not 13 and I'm mingling. Why do you care? No hormonal policing is needed. Thank you for your concern, nobodyspecial.
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Originally Posted by SarahMcHarry View Post

I am really, really disappointed with this. The action plan for week 1 is to set up 2 Adwords campaigns per day using direct linking for email and zip submits, bidding no more than $0.25 per click.

This is impossible.

1. Direct linking means that you are competing with all other affiliates. Google won't sell you clicks if another, higher paying, affiliate is already bidding on the same keyword on the same URL.

2. The landing pages for email and zip submits are usually so brief that they have virtually no content and Google gives a 'Poor' quality score and will slap you.

3. Even if you can find an offer where 1. and 2. above don't apply, most of the offers pay about $1.25 for a lead. This means that if you do manage to buy clicks for $0.25 then you need a conversion rate of 1 in 5 (20%) to break even. That's not realistic.

I knew all this already but I thought that TAC would be teaching something smarter than this. Newbies will fall into a big Adwords trap and more experienced marketers (like me) who joined on 11 December will have to hit the refund button before week 2 even starts.

I've put in some support questions and I hope they'll deal with this in tonight's webinar. But I feel a let-down coming on.

Sarah
Good stuff Sarah

karmapoolcleaner We're all flying through space in Orion Spur, a minor spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy, at combined orbital speeds of probably around 600 kilometers a second. Let's make it fun ride. No victory is worth celebrating if it is at the expense of your fellow man. There's no glory in taking advantage of people's ignorance, stupidity or even their greed to make a buck.
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Hey digabot....

no I am not promoting NB! - but they seem really committed and their support is awesome. I am exploring several options having signed up for several CPA networks, set up my own sites for affiliate products and will complete the NB course and see what direction it takes me. All up - 3 roads and a lot of work and at the end of the day one (or maybe more!) will get me where I want to be. thanks.
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By following their instructions during the first week - throwing a huge list of keywords into one ad group and linking directly to the offer page, my CPCs were through the roof and I could get almost no impressions, and zero clicks - it was hopeless.

Now I'm getting impressions and clicks by spending a lot of time researching keywords, creating lots of very targeted ad groups, and registering unique domains... but none of them are remotely close to breaking even yet - from this point, it's still looking hopeless, although I'm not giving up yet.

I spent literally over 10 hours today setting up 5 campaigns. I'm sure glad I don't have a regular 9-5 job at the moment - if I did this would be impossible.

Is someone going to start a separate forum for this or what? This thread is getting out of control!
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Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

Once you figure things out, will you make more money in your sleep than some people may ever make...ever? Happens every day to someone marketing online.
I keep thinking that way too. By the way, I simply LOVED that $10 ebook you have for sale. I literally fell out of my chair laughing at some of the ideas you have in there. I thought I was creative, but those are some pretty crazy suggestions. Have you actually done all of them? If so, I'd like to talk you about some of the details; those ideas would actually be quite fun to implement. Later!



Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

My tracker does hide keywords and can hide traffic sources too. To veer on the side of safety is fine with me.



You have some kind of trojan/virus/adware on your system that is redirecting to a chinese ip address, (not my site). I have removed adware before and can help you with this if you want. Most anti-virus programs can't see some adware and even spybot search and destroy or adaware cannot see it. I would grab a free program called "Hijack This", run a report and send me the log file if you want. I can usually spot the problem and show you how to safely remove it.
Thanks PPC-Coach. i figured that out thanks to nobodyspecial earlier.

STILL buzzin' [8D]
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Nice Advertisement.

I think coach is sharing some good information about forum service - this is on topic as we are talking about support.

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Originally Posted by manutrade View Post

Good day James! Is there still chance to join your forum?
I am such a rookie I did not even know at the incentives some of you pros were giving out..
cheers!
Hi,

The forum access was part of a package for the program. I put it on because I felt it is needed for this type of program.

My first and foremost energy is devoted to paying members.

I'll consider opening it for a subscription fee if the current members accept this.

Regards

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James, are aware of the possibility that once these guys get some more experience with teaching, illustration, customer service and support, if they'll offer a digital course?

and

Will you offer that course through your aff. link with the same support?

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just bought the ebook from honestbizpro, very good value for $10, no fluff or filler
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Originally Posted by dkblair View Post

Ok First post here. I've seen alot of negativity about this course, but I was given a very strong referral from someone who knows these guys. And I trust his judgement.

A couple of test campaigns that are doing well for me in the last 7 days, which will be ramped up

1) Spent $12.00, sales $92.00
2) Spent $2.47 sales $21.00
3) Spent $300, sales $400
4) Spent $10.00, sales $33.00
5) Spent $10.11, sales $18.00
6) Spent 0.60, sales $10.00

A few more have broken even, (about 10-15 campaigns) the ones that don't work are dumped.

And I'm a dumb aussie who has only been doing internet marketing since September 08.

I am promoting offers from 9 different CPA companies and none rejected me.

I dont use Google. I wouldn't even consider it for a test campaign. Even I was suprised they had this on the video.

As far as I'm concerned it works, and I will be pushing hard to adding a few zero's on the numbers above.

Most of my conversions come from $0.06 - $0.12 cents a click.

I hope this is off some encouragement to others on this forum.

The main thing that it has proven too me is that internet marketing really works and you really make some serious money in this business, provided you think positive.

Sure the guys don't present well and have had poor customer service. But if I can't recoup the cost 10-20 times over, then there is something seriously wrong as its dead simple.
Thank you for your post, I'm happy to hear a fellow students' success story...wish I could say the same. You stated you don't use google, maybe this is my problem. I would like to know if you are direct linking, using iFrame, or your own website/domain? Thank you for any help that you may provide.
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James, are aware of the possibility that once these guys get some more experience with teaching, illustration, customer service and support, if they'll offer a digital course?

and

Will you offer that course through your aff. link with the same support?

Thanks
Hi Cisco,

I have a feeling this is a once off. There has been no mention of the possibility for another course.

(My support forum is going to be far broader than just CPA so that will remain open and will support other launches)

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Refund received! Just to let everybody know, those who have bailed out of the AC course.....I got my money back today. True to their word. Whew....now I need to find some good coaching to get me going since I've signed up for all these CPA networks. I really want to do this but fear losing money.....anybody...best resource to get started?
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Originally Posted by elliec View Post

best resource to get started?
Read These:

Uber Affiliate Marketing Guide
Newbie Guide | NickyCakes.com
Convert2Media Forum - Index

Watch These:

CS1.1 - Pay Per Click Case Study Part 1 | Cash Tactics
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What is not so obvious is that this offer is actually being run by the Network. They pay you $2.65 to generate a lead for them and then they take that lead and sell it to the actual Dating Sites (Eharmony, True, Match, etc) for $30-80. You take all the risk, they take all the money.

Cha-ching
So it sounds like its worth it on 2 levels:

1) Either learn it so you can start your own cpa...$2.65 to $20-$30 ..., you take the risk, they profit BIG time from your proven campaigns WITHOUT risk. They only pay if you succeed, if you fail, no skin off their nose, no money or risk out their pocket.

2) Be the trailblazer, open your own cpa , offer affiliates a scale to performance, something fair....so many winning campaigns/conversions= 33%, 50%, and 75% to Mega-Super Cpa affiliates.

Maybe wishful thinking or novice dreams of grandeur, but whats wrong with attempting to add fairness and appreciation to people making you money in the equation?

Partners instead of business grinding,sweat-shop effort, masked as entreprenurial opportunity and benefit?

Like RichDad said, some business people trade in their job for a job masked as a business, like the old standard brick and mortar , for example.

Guess it simply depends on your knowledge and growth.....business may START like this, but should not continue in this vain, should get easier, simplier, rewarding you with far more time for life and less in the office.

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Would that other operations took the same interest in customer service as you. With a multi-million dollar launch, you'd think the AC Boys could at least afford an autoresponder.

Apparently not.

Ridiculous!
You would think that they have SOME experience teaching this....so they would know the questions, learning curve, problem areas, etc.,.

So, what, everyone they taught it to was a genius and batted a thousand right from class-day-one?

Or did they teach it to two people and figure that was a good enough sample to mass teach it to everyone with those (two) students results?

Or was they in a rush to make so much money , the art of teaching got lost?

Or is it a bad course, or course that is really NOT that simple as they made it out to be?

The future lessons and their comments from purchasers may give more light.

Makes one re-evaluate this whole cpa thing....think I am going to start with folks like Jerry West, very sobering , real life, hype free stuff, no fluff and promises.

Day in, Day out , realities of the business as it relates to regular joes tryin to learn or get a fair handle on this endeavor.

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Would be a shame if there was some merits in the course, but it was either poorly taught and/or poorly communicated of what it really took to get to that level, or if it is really attainable.

Just because one can DO, DOES NOT mean one can teach, or should teach.

I seen pro's in certain trades that simply could NOT communicate the how or what of what they do.

Ego should be put aside, and they should have probably found a good student who has an extremely talented gift for teaching, and make him the spokesman/teacher.

Maybe someone like James , here, I don't know.

Make no mistake about it, teaching IS a gift. All the phD's and doctorates in teaching don't make you a teacher.

I almost washed out of a class and almost concluded I could'nt cut it in a trade....the 3 or 4 teachers, good and experienced, was very good at telling war stories and combat application...but mostly none could teach a beginner.

So I had two new instructors to evaluate me to finally see what the bad reports were about and to make a final decision.

I learned more from those two guys in 1/4 day than I learned from 3 to 4 different instructors, each who specialized in a particular skill, in 3 weeks.

I was also in school, and seen how some of these "teachers" are, so I have no sympathy for bad teachers, for at the minimum, they don't even consider that they are bad teachers, teachers at the wrong teaching level or even if they are not cut out to teach at all.

Either be expert consultants or teach GIFTED teachers of their knowledge, expertise and experience.

May they drown in their Ego and self-importance over the humble student.

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How splendidly ironic.

The AC Boys have never once responded to a single email, but they certainly wasted no time shutting down my access to the site. And this on the day of their weekly webinar! Wow, how do they find the time?

I have not received an email confirmation yet (no surprise there), but given that they have shut me out I can only assume this constitutes positive acknowledgment of my refund request. Hopefully I will receive the refund no problem, as with the case of elliec above, and I will post if I do not.

I feel sad and a tad ambivalent about this, as I had had very high hopes for the course, despite all the negative pre-launch anti-hoopla. I'm very disappointed (in myself, if not in the course) because I gave it the ol' college try and couldn't make it work. If it had simply been a matter of sticking to it, I would have continued. But given all the feedback from those who know far more than I about PPC/CPA and the many glaring (and often quite bizarre) shortcomings of the course, I see no other recourse but to bail while I still can.

James Schramko and others have said that the shortcomings of AC can be overcome, and I know James is working closely with his people to do that (and more power to him). But again, this begs the entire question. I've said it before and I'll say it again...

If I can't succeed by following the course to the letter, the problem isn't me – it's the course.

I sincerely hope all those folks who are still "in" Arbitrage Conspiracy get their money's worth. Perhaps they will all become "instant Millionaires" and the semi-mythical "overnight success stories" we all hear so much about. Perhaps there really are amazing secrets in later weeks of the course. But based on what I have seen and experienced so far with AC, and all the people I've talked with and who have been kind enough to respond to my posts, I think this is highly unlikely...

Time to move on. Back to the drawing board. Best of luck to everybody.

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Or did they teach it to two people and figure that was a good enough sample to mass teach it to everyone with those (two) students results?

Or was they in a rush to make so much money , the art of teaching got lost?

Or is it a bad course, or course that is really NOT that simple as they made it out to be?

Sadly, my friend, I think it is some of all of the above.

And more...
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A prospective on Week 2 Training -

7 videos - 1 hr 40 mins total (including 29 mins of lame excuses in video 1)

7 worthless 2 page pdf files

good value?
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A prospective on Week 2 Training -

7 videos - 1 hr 40 mins total (including 29 mins of lame excuses in video 1)

7 worthless 2 page pdf files

good value?

But think! In just 10 more weeks you'll have 10 times as much of it!
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How splendidly ironic.

The AC Boys have never once responded to a single email, but they certainly wasted no time shutting down my access to the site. And this on the day of their weekly webinar! Wow, how do they find the time?

I have not received an email confirmation yet (no surprise there), but given that they have shut me out I can only assume this constitutes positive acknowledgment of my refund request. Hopefully I will receive the refund no problem, as with the case of elliec above, and I will post if I do not.

I feel sad and a tad ambivalent about this, as I had had very high hopes for the course, despite all the negative pre-launch anti-hoopla. I'm very disappointed (in myself, if not in the course) because I gave it the ol' college try and couldn't make it work. If it had simply been a matter of sticking to it, I would have continued. But given all the feedback from those who know far more than I about PPC/CPA and the many glaring (and often quite bizarre) shortcomings of the course, I see no other recourse but to bail while I still can.

James Schramko and others have said that the shortcomings of AC can be overcome, and I know James is working closely with his people to do that (and more power to him). But again, this begs the entire question. I've said it before and I'll say it again...

If I can't succeed by following the course to the letter, the problem isn't me – it's the course.

I sincerely hope all those folks who are still "in" Arbitrage Conspiracy get their money's worth. Perhaps they will all become "instant Millionaires" and the semi-mythical "overnight success stories" we all hear so much about. Perhaps there really are amazing secrets in later weeks of the course. But based on what I have seen and experienced so far with AC, and all the people I've talked with and who have been kind enough to respond to my posts, I think this is highly unlikely...

Time to move on. Back to the drawing board. Best of luck to everybody.

Peace out.
I"m sorry to hear that Mann. I had looked forward to sharing experiences with you. I certainly understand why you did what you did.
It almost makes me think they have a reason for being so callous and unapproachable. Obviously, if they shut your site access down right away; they do have people working behind the scenes on the day-to-day stuff.
Maybe they're trying to weed people out because more people ended up signing on than they ever anticipated?
Maybe so, but you think that onslaught of "get in before the doors close" would have slowed as their members kept piling on.
I have unanswered questions in their queue as well (thank God I have James), so that pain is not acutely felt by me. But, to their defense, my questions were ones that probably will get answered in future lessons. They did stress that they are only trying to deal with the questions as they pertain to the course material thus far.

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Just wanted to say how great this thread has become. You can learn a lot including business management, ppc, product launching etc etc.

Good luck to those that purchased AC. The "too good to be true" concept got to me first so I didn't purchase

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I've been developing a relationship with a new Affiliate Manager at one of the larger networks over the past two weeks, we've been talking quite often and I've surprisingly been getting some decent info out of him.

We were discussing this thread and we got on the topic of this thread and he knew about AC and Aymen, and he started telling me that "iframing/direct linking" are a sure fire way to fail at making anything happen.

He told me that anyone doing serious numbers is not doing any of that and it nearly all comes down to having unique pages made for the offers.

Now I'd imagine the bigger buys are cloaking traffic and for all I know the AM could just be spewing off stuff he's read too, but just thought I'd share.
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Good luck to those that purchased AC. The "too good to be true" concept got to me first so I didn't purchase
Which leads to my problem with copywriting and its ethical, reasonable boundaries.

When they put in their "copy", " $50,000 to $100,000 {A DAY} was this:

1) Their personal experience and achievement...

2) Their personal best ONCE, a FEW times or average.....

3) Trial students they taught achieved this....

4) Trial students achieved this ONCE as a personal best, a FEW times, or trial students average...

So WHO are they talking about that achieved this, from teacher to student?

They alluded that THIS course has done it AND, CAN do it for purchaser.

Like people using in their copy that a penny, doubled everyday, at a certain point, will add up to a million dollars, alluding their course will get you on the wave of this principle, and yes, mathematically its true, if you are measuring SOLEY on projection, 1st, how many people, including expounder of this has done it literally, and, 2nd, how many mathmaticians, scientist and engineers can attest that something, worked out a thousand times perfectly and mathematically on paper and projections, but FAILED and does not work in the real world when applied.

Or like when they say the average worker in U.S. earns a Million dollars in their lifetime....so, what, I should live in a forrest and pay no bills and wait till I saved all my money in 25-30 yrs, retire a millionaire?

These pseudo-math projections are used in copy sounds good and is nice to look at but used and applied impractically in day in, day out , realities of the real world. Not saying there are no solutions, but I notice the people who throw these out there usually have no practical , application solution ...like Suzan Orman, yikes, I read enough about financial independence to know she is a joke. Jesus Christ, her advice is FAR from financial independence, sorry, Suze, you are not even gum on RichDads dirty soles and even HE has his limits on practical advice, though its much better than the average "mainstream" financial advice...

Reminds me of the kind of copy when guys stand in front of Rolls Royce and Porches, stand in front of a 3 story Mansion, or Olympic size pool,.....radar says "stay clear---slime factor in progress.........."

I was talking to a GrandMaster one time, and he told me a lot of these martial arts schools are run by people who "bought" their black belt so they could make money, borrow something from this and that, not truely knowing what the techinque is or what it means and why...just to make their school more attractive.....he said these guys are gonna get people seriously hurt in the street....like some of these financial freedom teachers are gonna seriously hurt someones pocketbook.

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He told me that anyone doing serious numbers is not doing any of that and it nearly all comes down to having unique pages made for the offers.
It's pretty much been like that for some time. In fact, you will need multiple domains, multiple sites, multiple PPC accounts and multiple landing pages for a single campaign if you want to get big with Google traffic and CPA.

However, people do iFrame but you only want to be doing it for 48 hours or less to test fast.

Sure you hear of campaigns that "have been running for months with iframes" but that is way more the exception.

High QS sites are where it's at now. That means, yes, if you want to use Google's traffic, you will have to eventually make full blown 30-50 page sites.

Test fast, if you get something with potential, build a site.

And then endlessly split test everything to get the most out of it.

Too many people think there's easy bucks in CPA. There's bucks to be sure but it is NOT an easy way to make money when you're starting out. That's why not quitting is stressed so much. Aymen is talking about $500 to get started....more like 10x that. You will lose a few grand finding winners.
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There's easier ways of getting traffic, I just bought a special 29 page report for $7 that is full of great ideas to generate free traffic, lets see 2000/7= approx 285, I think I'd rather burn through my AC $2000 fee one $7 report at a time
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I've been developing a relationship with a new Affiliate Manager at one of the larger networks over the past two weeks, we've been talking quite often and I've surprisingly been getting some decent info out of him.

We were discussing this thread and we got on the topic of this thread and he knew about AC and Aymen, and he started telling me that "iframing/direct linking" are a sure fire way to fail at making anything happen.

He told me that anyone doing serious numbers is not doing any of that and it nearly all comes down to having unique pages made for the offers.

Now I'd imagine the bigger buys are cloaking traffic and for all I know the AM could just be spewing off stuff he's read too, but just thought I'd share.
Good observations,

The bigger traffic deals bring special deals.

Big affiliates get given a site to work by themselves. This eliminates all the problems we are hearing about.

You only get big on traffic after you master the process of picking offers, writing ads, tracking and testing.

As with most things it gets easier the more you do it.

Also it gets easier when you break through the crowd and start enjoying the benefits associated with performance and results.

In other words, after the crawling over broken glass phase it gets a whole lot easier. Just like steering a car on the freeway versus the car park....less effort big results.

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There's easier ways of getting traffic, I just bought a special 29 page report for $7 that is full of great ideas to generate free traffic, lets see 2000/7= approx 285, I think I'd rather burn through my AC $2000 fee one $7 report at a time
is that an affiliate link in your signature?

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is that an affiliate link in your signature?
is that illegal!
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is that illegal!
Yes it is.

Read the forum rules.

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just bought the ebook from honestbizpro, very good value for $10, no fluff or filler
very true. I got the E-book too. honestbizpro you rock!

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About 20% of the folks I am studying with are doing well with arbitrage conspiracy, and the rest are catching up on the stuff they need to know.

It's not mind blowing profits just yet, but all of us are waiting for week 3 training, since that is one of the keys to massive success with ppc.

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About 20% of the folks I am studying with are doing well with arbitrage conspiracy, and the rest are catching up on the stuff they need to know.

It's not mind blowing profits just yet, but all of us are waiting for week 3 training, since that is one of the keys to massive success with ppc.
Good feedback,

We have a few people getting some real learning miles under the belt and a clearer view of how this works.

I suspect the next few weeks will be of great value to the majority of students.

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Looks like I should have bought your double digit ctr product for $39.95 rather than spend $2K on AC!
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I personally can't wait to get to the content of building our own sites to promote our campaigns. Since obviously the direct linking/iframing is not ideal by any means - I want to really get into the meat of the stuff. I've built a few sites through GoDaddy's web site builder and Blue Voda, etc., I just don't know what the sites are supposed to look like, or how it all works with someone else's product.

I've got 9 campaigns up and running so far and they are doing "o.k." Some days I see a small profit, some days a see a small loss, and my budgets are set pretty low while I'm learning all of this.

I have done PPC for over a year now for my MLM biz and my MLM training biz and have done well with it, so I know the basics already.

I hope there is some good content on today's webinar as well.

I for one am sticking this out. I'm still as excited today about this as I was the day I signed up.

My ultimate goal is $1,000 per day and then I can quit this JOB!!

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I've built a few sites through GoDaddy's web site builder and Blue Voda, etc., I just don't know what the sites are supposed to look like, or how it all works with someone else's product.
Just find an offer, enter the main key phrases into Google, look at the ads. You'll see tons of affiliate sites.

Among them:

-Review pages
-"How I Did It" Blog style landing pages (like this: http://www.marysweightlossblog.com/i-lost-37-lbs/) Complete with fake comments. These are super popular right now.
-Bridge Pages that look very similar to offer pages - some think these are dead but they work if you have a solid site around them.
-Bridge/Squeeze
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Just find an offer, enter the main key phrases into Google, look at the ads. You'll see tons of affiliate sites.

Among them:

-Review pages
-"How I Did It" Blog style landing pages (like this:...Complete with fake comments. These are super popular right now.
-Bridge Pages that look very similar to offer pages - some think these are dead but they work if you have a solid site around them.
-Bridge/Squeeze
This is great. Thanks!

Now - would you do sites like this for the simple e-mail/zip submits at all, or just the "bigger" campaigns?
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Now - would you do sites like this for the simple e-mail/zip submits at all, or just the "bigger" campaigns?
I don't promote Email/Zip. Too many ways to get screwed/shut down since you're sending people into path marketing. The axe is going to fall on those offers in the near future if you ask me.

I know people who sent over $20k to a zip and then when it was time to get paid, the advertiser said they weren't going to because the traffic didn't convert for them - after letting that traffic run for a full 30 freaking days. Network did absolutely nothing despite the obvious douchebaggery.
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I KNOW YOU ALL CAN SEE YANIK'S "UNDERGROUND EVENT" LINK when Logging into this forum. But BOY was I floored when I realized our MR. X might be our man Aymen himself??

I sure hope he teaches us the facebook techniques too....in Arbitrage. I still feel good about this, and am hopeful the GOLD is in the mountain, not at the surface.

Here's the excerpt from



This year, we’ve "Mr. X" is a huge player on the social media scene and the CPA networks. We’re talking like $100,000.00 a day huge. Mr. X. plays in a very large sandbox... and he’s gotten the blueprint for success so well documented... it’s pretty much paint-by-number. Well, it’s actually is "paint by the numbers."
Due to the classified nature of Mr. X, here’s a very short list of what he’s bringing. You’ll have to be in your seat at Underground® 5 to get the full story. Sorry.

By claiming your seat, you’ll get your chance to learn things like:
  • How to "run with the big boys" and not get killed. Mr. X. knows what he’s doing in what is one of the most cut-throat worlds out there: CPA (cost per action) networks. In that world, it’s all about the numbers. And if you don’t know how to create the big numbers that get attention... it’s pretty much game over. You don’t get another chance.<LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">Cutting edge tech tools that truly take the guessing out of the CPA game. If you think the world of CPA is confusing and intimidating... it’s probably because you have no idea what kinds of tools these guys have guiding their decisions. Amazing stuff. <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">A step-by-step blueprint to select your offer, research the traffic, launch your campaign, test/track/tweak, and ramp up your results into the stratosphere. I told you Mr. X had it down to a "paint by the numbers" system... <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">How Mr. X creates a click-through-rate on his ads that’s about 100x better than the average. (You won’t believe what kind of profit that creates...) <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">Why "find a need and fill it" will get you killed. And what Mr. X. does instead to max out his profits. <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">BIG SECRET: How Mr. X has nearly 50% of the email addresses of users on Facebook (seriously). This is so hush-hush we’ll have to turn off the cameras here. It’s not anything illegal or gray — he’s simply created some amazing Facebook applications that users spread like wildfire. I can’t reveal much more than this — but this one secret is probably going to be worth 10x your ticket price.
  • And a whole lot more… In fact, due to Mr. X’s request to remain absolutely anonymous, he had strict limits on the amount of information I can let leak out... And this is it.
WHAT SUCKS IS THAT I COULD HAVE PAID THE 2k TO GO AND SEE ALL THE OTHER GOOD STUFF, ALONG WITH THE ARBITRAGE MATERIAL??

I could be wrong......sure sounds like our man though.....waddaya think?
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Thanks elliec. I sent Aymen and the AC a refund request email today. Let's see how long it takes to get the refund.
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