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Unread 16th Jan 2009, 11:58 AM   #1301
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Yanik is one of the biggest, slickest 'drip marketers' in history. You NEVER get the full anything with that guy, he strings you along forever LOL
The smell alert always came to me about this guy.

Somehow, I felt what you described is exactly what would happen, along with other so-called "gurus".

His copy and mug just have that "sticky-ness" to it.

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Yanik Silver needs to be stopped. Guy just rides his rep from 5 years ago. Some of the worst products of all time.
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Yep, my access to the AC site was shut down immediately after I sent the refund request email.
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Quick Update:
I'm currently listening to the Week Two Webinar and it has restored my confidence that Aymen and Emmanuel really know their stuff... and they are going to share all of their advanced techniques.

Their biggest mistake was not making it Extremely Clear that they were going to start with the basics (absolute newbies) and slowly progress onto more advanced techniques...

I'm afraid that too many people thought that they were going to make $50k per day doing direct linking running google adwords at $.05 per click.

If it were that easy, wouldn't everyone be doing it? This is a job and it takes work but if you do it consistently and follow these guys lead you will make money... at least that is what I believe.
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Interesting Q&A session with Aymen and Emanuel.

They have addressed a lot of the questions that were frustrating a lot of people, including me, touching on some subjects that I think are planned for future weeks.

Apparently, there are some success stories, although they admitted many are still struggling.

At the start of the call, they both sounded a little flustered -I think the sudden flurry of refund requests may have shocked them.

But, for my part, I'm feeling a little more positive about the course.

Looking forward to keyword research material on Monday.
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Originally Posted by jjjt View Post

Interesting Q&A session with Aymen and Emanuel.

They have addressed a lot of the questions that were frustrating a lot of people, including me, touching on some subjects that I think are planned for future weeks.

Apparently, there are some success stories, although they admitted many are still struggling.

At the start of the call, they both sounded a little flustered -I think the sudden flurry of refund requests may have shocked them.

But, for my part, I'm feeling a little more positive about the course.

Looking forward to keyword research material on Monday.
I agree!

I'm glad to see others with me are staying the course and still believing in these guys.

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Yep, my access to the AC site was shut down immediately after I sent the refund request email.
Amazing how QUICKLY they did THAT vs other things that needed to be done right away.

Companies show their priorities, and maybe their heart, with WHAT they respond to with speed.

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Originally Posted by digabot View Post

Yanik Silver needs to be stopped. Guy just rides his rep from 5 years ago. Some of the worst products of all time.
I was invited to meet members of Yanik's Mastermind last week when Yanik took everyone to dinner.

I would respectfully submit that Yanik seriously knows what's working in IM.

His mastermind includes some of the most respected IM people in the world.

In fact, you can't get in unless you are already making 6 figures for one group and 7 figures for another.

Ask those folks why they all re-sign with Yanik.

He delivers.

I'm not in his MM nor an affiliate. I'm just sharing his people were extremely happy with his working with them.

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This is my guess also. They probably do not realize there is such a frenzy over this.
James I think you hit the nail on the head. That is what everyone is really saying. They don't realise it and obviously don't care either. A launch of this magnitude should have anticipated such a large amount of marketplace feedback & questions.

I join in the call for Aymen & buddies to provide some clarification here or on the main site. Come on guys....show us you have some nads.

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I know that Arbitrage/CPA works, but what many don't realize that unless you have a CC and are willing to use it, you won't make much money unless you do some bum marketing methods.
You will need a website as well, since a lot of CPA companies will require it before they accept you. Your site will have to show that you are a capable CPA affiliate as well, not
some scraper type site or blog.

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Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

I was invited to meet members of Yanik's Mastermind last week when Yanik took everyone to dinner.

I would respectfully submit that Yanik seriously knows what's working in IM.

His mastermind includes some of the most respected IM people in the world.

In fact, you can't get in unless you are already making 6 figures for one group and 7 figures for another.

Ask those folks why they all re-sign with Yanik.

He delivers.

I'm not in his MM nor an affiliate. I'm just sharing his people were extremely happy with his working with them.
Well said by someone who writes copy for all those folks.
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You will need a website as well, since a lot of CPA companies will require it before they accept you. Your site will have to show that you are a capable CPA affiliate as well, not
some scraper type site or blog.

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That is incorrect. While having a web site would help, you can get accepted without one to a lot of networks.
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So does anyone have more feed back about this program? Was it worth the money? please share. thanks
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I found this on another thread here, but related... some info for thought:

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In November 2008, down in Las Vegas, there was a private session hosted by Brad Fallon, to showcase a system where you can make $100k a day in CPA Marketing.
I did the math in my head. That's $36 million a year. There are some CPA networks that aren't even doing that well. And here was a small team claiming to be making that.
So why in the world would I risk my job and come out with a blog post warning people to Do Not Buy the Arbitrage Conspiracy program? Because I couldn't keep quiet over, in what I felt, was an unethical marketing ploy.

- Stating $100k days were being met when they were not
- "Start for as little as $50.00" soon changed to "at least $500" to start
- Constantly changing refund policy
- $800 check shown on sales page

Seriously, there was an $800 check (it is gone now) on the sales page but if we are really talking about a program to make $100k a day, let's see checks for $5 million.

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From someone on the 'inside' who thought it was unethical? And, now recommending NOT to buy? May explain why all the gurus who so adamantly promoted it on the sales page initially cannot even be found now. Maybe they knew something we didn't. hmmmm...
I know they keep highlighting the positive stuff with every webinar, but I can't help to wonder what percent of the current members are less than breaking even?

STILL buzzin' [8D]
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Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

Yea Harlan, I think its quite impossible for Yanick to hang out with the big doggs, and (collect their money as well) and not know some incredible nuggets.



Hi Dennis, yep yep, but each network has a different threshold of how they filter publishers in........some its almost instant...some want to talk on the phone..some want a site and to get a feel that you know what you are doing and not just taking it up for a hobby....they get paid off your efforts! They love content and niche blog are always cool I think. Just make sure you have a review page with offers or affiliate links included.




I think someone is referring to a Credit Card. ( and using it for PPC)






Do not be fooled....Aymen surely is reading this thread on the low low. May be a coincidence.....I mentioned how Frank Kern used the Headline "Bad News" in his emails to get a better open rate...and guess what? Aymens email had the heading "Bad News" the very next day.


I hope you are correct and we all see some response here to clear things up. If the other guru's (Andrew X & The Loophole Guys) to name a couple, can do it then surely Aymen can put some time into this forum too. I think customers deserve to know that their investment is safe and the seller will honor his claims of product quality and refund policy.

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So does anyone have more feed back about this program? Was it worth the money? please share. thanks
Sheeesh! Why not read the previous posts. There's plenty there to help you make up your mind. And I'd say it will be a few months before anyone will be able to tell you if it was worth the money.

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When I first start swimming in this shark infested water of IM,the power and the glory of the copy -- all hype-- would hunt me most of the time--capturing my credit card and all my hard earned money. Suspend the rational conciousness and sell them whatever they want by being more unrealistic .. That dude Jo Han Mok (MUCK) style of copying in all it variations. Harlan included too with all that NLP Bullshit! Now everytime I see anybody showing checks in their sale page or bragging about how much they make. A big NO. However, I was about to fall for AC and I immediatley did some research and thank god for WF and Jerry West. Jerry a attended the Las Vegas and walked out!!! They saved me. The more they suspend our belief the more we fall. I swear it is like addiction I nearly had a relapse.. I think this kind of copy is unethical and sooner or later the saturation will happen. I am already numbed to it.....
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Some have requested refunds.

Personally, I didn't, and for good reason. And I am very happy with my decision. It's been not only helpful to have professionals who know how to market cpa offers, but also to have the focus to keep it going and not flip to another way to make money online.

Since 98% of folks don't even read/watch the info products they buy, just paying attention can be a huge advantage in a course like this.

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In fact, you can't get in unless you are already making 6 figures for one group and 7 figures for another.
Exactly. If you are not JV'ing or can throw around 6 and 7 figures, you will not get the real stuff.

In places where there is high humidity, you can shower 10 times and you still have that "film" feel on your skin, like I said before, his copy and mug just has that "sticky-ness" feel to it.


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Well said by someone who writes copy for all those folks.
There we go. Hard pressed to get UN-biased, honesty in this industry.


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Harlan included too with all that NLP Bullshit! Now everytime I see anybody showing checks in their sale page or bragging about how much they make. A big NO. However, I was about to fall for AC and I immediatley did some research and thank god for WF and Jerry West. Jerry a attended the Las Vegas and walked out!!! They saved me.
You can count on one hand the kind of guys like Jerry West.

Stick with him, you're gonna be extremely hard pressed to find more persons of this high quality, your search may take you into the years.

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Who knows, maybe in the end AC may be the course it says it is, time will tell.

But has anyone purchased or heard of, hands down, high quality stuff that did what it said it could do that started out or continued with such , seemingly, willful clumsiness?

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If it struts like a turkey, and gobbles like a turkey, what is it?
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@beksworld: old news. Everyone figured out Mr. X is Aymen a while back.

And no, you won't get "all the arbitrage material" plus the "good stuff". You'll get a high-level overview as part of the seminar that day.

Yanik is one of the biggest, slickest 'drip marketers' in history. You NEVER get the full anything with that guy, he strings you along forever LOL
Did you go to Underground last year Jim?

I was there. I totally disagree with you. It is quality actionable meaty information. That seminar changed everything for me and Yanik is a very nice person who over delivers.

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If it struts like a turkey, and gobbles like a turkey, what is it?
I'd say that is myopia.

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Do not be fooled....Aymen surely is reading this thread on the low low. May be a coincidence.....I mentioned how Frank Kern used the Headline "Bad News" in his emails to get a better open rate...and guess what? Aymens email had the heading "Bad News" the very next day.
Yeah I'm sure Aymen is hanging on your next post for his next inspiration lol....

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I can't help to wonder what percent of the current members are less than breaking even?
This would be like wondering what percentage of trainee heart surgeons can perform a perfect operation after less that 20% off the training?

Give it a chance...

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thank god for WF and Jerry West. Jerry a attended the Las Vegas and walked out!!! They saved me.
From what?

An opportunity to learn from an expert. They may have done you a disservice however you may never know. You have risked nothing and gained nothing.

Stop handing your destiny to other people - they ALL have agendas...and they do not have much planned for you.

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So does anyone have more feed back about this program? Was it worth the money? please share. thanks
Stop being lazy and use the mouse to find the answer to your question. This kind of done for you attitude will never make you wealthy.

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I came across Jerry Wests blog/website etc and signed up for his free CPA course and newsletter, his report on the Las Vegas event and CPA in general is very sobering to say the least, if anyone is still within the 30 day period and still sitting on the fence about quiting this very expensive course, you should at least read what he has to say, sounds like someone who is a straight shooter!
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I came across Jerry Wests blog/website etc and signed up for his free CPA course and newsletter, his report on the Las Vegas event and CPA in general is very sobering to say the least, if anyone is still within the 30 day period and still sitting on the fence about quiting this very expensive course, you should at least read what he has to say, sounds like someone who is a straight shooter!
Jerry West is a straight shooter and an authority.

However,

He was talking about the marketing of the course not the course itself.

Anyone on the fence to quit should quit. They are the wrong type of person to succeed at this (and many other business models)

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However,

He was talking about the marketing of the course not the course itself.

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I have to disagree on this point, he did say that based on his extensive CPA experiance 35% of leads eventually get scrubed, that has not been mentioned so far either in the sales pitch or in week 1-2 content, that kind of cut will make a big difference to the profit/loss of a campaign.

Another CPA authority has quoted a figure of 20% so I think working with a 20-35% scrube rate figure is a sure thing

Whereas when selling a good clickbank product the return rate is usually 5% or less

He also said that CPA is a ruthless cut throat business whereas the AC guys make it sound like fun!
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I have to disagree on this point, he did say that based on his extensive CPA experiance 35% of leads eventually get scrubed, that has not been mentioned so far either in the sales pitch or in week 1-2 content, that kind of cut will make a big difference to the profit/loss of a campaign.

Another CPA authority has quoted a figure of 20% so I think working with a 20-35% scrube rate figure is a sure thing

Whereas when selling a good clickbank product the return rate is usually 5% or less

He also said that CPA is a ruthless cut throat business whereas the AC guys make it sound like fun!
Well that is what I am saying.

Comments like "the AC guys make it sound like fun!" and "sales pitch " relate to the way it was sold.

Bear in mind that he has stopped all of his CPA projects "because they are all down right now due to the markets."


Jerry has nothing against Aymen personally, his issue was the launch, how it was misrepresented and how it was just basically injected with hype during a recession.

This is exactly what he told me. (It is on his blog if you want to have a look).

If Jerry prints it on his own blog surely that is fact?

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Agree. I want more people to quit CPA as well.

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Jerry West is a straight shooter and an authority.

However,

He was talking about the marketing of the course not the course itself.

Anyone on the fence to quit should quit. They are the wrong type of person to succeed at this (and many other business models)

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Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

Well that is what I am saying.

Comments like "the AC guys make it sound like fun!" and "sales pitch " relate to the way it was sold.

Bear in mind that he has stopped all of his CPA projects "because they are all down right now due to the markets."


Jerry has nothing against Aymen personally, his issue was the launch, how it was misrepresented and how it was just basically injected with hype during a recession.

This is exactly what he told me. (It is on his blog if you want to have a look).

If Jerry prints it on his own blog surely that is fact?
I am certainly glad to read this because from my Stomper days, Jerry West was definitely one of the guys I highly respected. His walking out of the Vegas thing had been bothering me.

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He was talking about the marketing of the course not the course itself.
I believe he walked out saying there was nothing new and it was quite basic no ? Seems like he's talking about the course.
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I believe he walked out saying there was nothing new and it was quite basic no ? Seems like he's talking about the course.
I think kenwarrior was talking about the blog post.

Jerry Walked out quite early too.

His own words on his blog:

"I have against Aymen personally, my issue was the launch, how it was misrepresented and how it was just basically injected with hype during a recession."

He did try to contact Aymen to ask him more details..

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I am certainly glad to read this because from my Stomper days, Jerry West was definitely one of the guys I highly respected. His walking out of the Vegas thing had been bothering me.
I really respect Jerry West too, I pay each month to read his information. His SEO stuff is top notch.

He mentioned he is not doing CPA at the moment.

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A new bonus has been added, Tru-Guru, anybody got any knowledge of this, from 1st look it looks like the 1st bonus thats worth anything!
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i got some knowledge out of it
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A new bonus has been added, Tru-Guru, anybody got any knowledge of this, from 1st look it looks like the 1st bonus thats worth anything!
Looks like an excellent resource. I have been watching Mathew with his campaigns and he does know his stuff.

(There are a lot more cool bonuses coming through as well. I know of several more that will be valuable)

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You can count on one hand the kind of guys like Jerry West.

Stick with him, you're gonna be extremely hard pressed to find more persons of this high quality, your search may take you into the years.
What?

"STEP ONE: You Need a Business Corporation.
Do not start a CPA business without one. It will take just a few days and around $500.00 for the attorney to draw up the paper work. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP.

STEP TWO: Get an "Umbrella Policy";When you become successful, the likelihood you will be sued escalates. The Umbrella policy protects you in this matter. This will help you sleep at night.

STEP THREE: Create a Trust and Transfer Your Assets";If you don't already have a family trust, get one. It is one of the best asset protection strategies out there. Your attorney can advise you further."

That's ridiculous.

If you are starting a business, focus on getting your first conversion or sales ONLY. Start making some consistent revenue before you even consider these formalities. If it turns out to be something you not want to do, you haven't dumped cash on them.

Start by DOING business not PLAYING business.
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Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

I think kenwarrior was talking about the blog post.

Jerry Walked out quite early too.

His own words on his blog:

"I have against Aymen personally, my issue was the launch, how it was misrepresented and how it was just basically injected with hype during a recession."

He did try to contact Aymen to ask him more details..
So, according to Jerry, it's ok to misrepresent and hype products as long as we aren't in a recession, lol?
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To James Schramko...maybe if Aymen came here amidst this almost 30 pages of posts on HIS product, and delivered a single comment, you would'nt have to leave 50% of all comments.
A single comment from Aymen would not appease the majority of posters in this thread, and you know that. I assume from what I know of James is that he truly believes in Aymen and what he is teaching. He knows Aymen personally. And, he has applied what Aymen has taught him to make a very good living on the internet. Nothing wrong with being passionate about something or someone you believe in...
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As time goes on my thoughts are getting clearer for me as far as the AC is concerned, it seems that what they have mastered is:

1. Become Super PPC experts

2. Learnt some tricks that allow them to scale up big time

3. Learnt how to manage their cash flow

But for me is step one is really the key and I'm not really concerned about step 3 right now, and I'd only be interested in step 2 if I can graduate step 1

So I'm thinking surely I can learn step one for a lot less than $2000, from better teachers with better materials, videos, manuals, software etc?
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Stop being lazy and use the mouse to find the answer to your question. This kind of done for you attitude will never make you wealthy.
Pretty cheeky there, James!

I'm going to stop being lazy and use my mouse instead of my legs.
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A single comment from Aymen would not appease the majority of posters in this thread, and you know that. I assume from what I know of James is that he truly believes in Aymen and what he is teaching. He knows Aymen personally. And, he has applied what Aymen has taught him to make a very good living on the internet. Nothing wrong with being passionate about something or someone you believe in...
Aymen just said on the last call that people who are making big bucks on the Internet usually don't have time to be posting on forums such as this. Sounds a bit arrogant, yes; and, yes, I'm not making big bucks on the Internet either, but when I do, ToddieM will become a lot more scarce.
And I'm pretty sure just one quote from him would spawn so many tangential questions that he couldn't be bothered with it.
As they continue to work out the bugs with their delivery and course teaching, I believe he's more committed to those who spent the $2000, not those who didn't and taking potshots, and certainly not those who did and are complaining after three weeks that they're not making that "50-100K a day" thing.

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What?

"STEP ONE: You Need a Business Corporation.
Do not start a CPA business without one. It will take just a few days and around $500.00 for the attorney to draw up the paper work. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP.

STEP TWO: Get an "Umbrella Policy";When you become successful, the likelihood you will be sued escalates. The Umbrella policy protects you in this matter. This will help you sleep at night.

STEP THREE: Create a Trust and Transfer Your Assets";If you don't already have a family trust, get one. It is one of the best asset protection strategies out there. Your attorney can advise you further."

That's ridiculous.

If you are starting a business, focus on getting your first conversion or sales ONLY. Start making some consistent revenue before you even consider these formalities. If it turns out to be something you not want to do, you haven't dumped cash on them.

Start by DOING business not PLAYING business.
I agree. People can get so hung up on that legal mumbo jumbo that they delay the actions that will get them that first sale.
I did, however, get a business journal and started making entries to it. That advice I thought was rock solid.

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I recommend everyone sign up to get what Jerry has to offer, but he has come clean and said he will be creating a "lite" version along with a paid version...so his marketing machine is working well.

As for the question about where else to look for great high powered info, you can read this forum, and see quite a few references to gauher chaudry and payperclickformula (hint hint).


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I came across Jerry Wests blog/website etc and signed up for his free CPA course and newsletter, his report on the Las Vegas event and CPA in general is very sobering to say the least, if anyone is still within the 30 day period and still sitting on the fence about quiting this very expensive course, you should at least read what he has to say, sounds like someone who is a straight shooter!

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Being from Canada, and running USA - CPA offers through Google Adwords, I want to see that my Ad is showing correctly in the US. When I use Worldproxy202, google, then my keyword to find my Ad and click on it I get a redirect notice with my link cut at the ampersand and no Ad showing. Is it the way I am doing it or is there a problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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