The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

digabot · 19th Jan 2009, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

Arbitrage Con. (<--- that's not an abbreviation, it's the TRUE name of the course).

Yes, looking more and more like Garbitrage Con actually.

nobodyspecial · 19th Jan 2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Michael Ashbourne

I loved the cash tactics series. It covered all the basic information to get started and even presented a realistic view of what to expect with CPA. Not sure how far you got in the series, but at the end his one campaign he makes does not make money. His PPC costs were to high. He then explains what he is going to do to make it profitable. That is gold in my books.

Just the first video so far. Who cares if money was made or not, it is the proper way to instruct.

Speaks volume that better info is available for free than in the paid AC course.

CanuckMike · 19th Jan 2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

Speaks volume that better info is available for free than in the paid AC course.

Not being a member of AC I don't know, but do they not teach you a variety of different business models other then PPC? I am sure there are hundreds of different ways to make money with through CPA.

The cash tactics was only an intro to PPC -> CPA. It was great and can lay a really good foundation for anyone getting started with CPA as it seems PPC is one of the most popular ways to go. I am keeping my fingers crossed they do more case studies, perhaps with different business models even.

Nick Militarescu · 19th Jan 2009, 06:06 PM

lots of god info here!

ToddieM · 19th Jan 2009, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by honestbizpro

Hi ToddieM, thanks so much for sharing. Glad you are seeing some light with AC.

If I told someone that I would make them $2000 in a month or so if they gave me $2000, I am not sure how successful that would be.

Of course I know the value of getting real world experience and who knows where you will really end up after completing the entire course, but I wish you great luck my friend.

At least you will not be at a loss and you will have gained some money making lessons to live on and that is very cool.

HBP:
I guess coming from a guy who bought the "spend almost 200K on med school, and delay your earning power another 5-7 years past college" model, it's not too hard to sell me on a $2000 course that has the POTENTIAL to make many times that back.
There is always investment, both of your money and time, before any pot at the end of the rainbow is realized. I'm sure that based on the level of expertise I read in your posts, you know a little bit about the sowing before the reaping.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. The board will see great things out of me in the near future. Count on it.
I don't say this to brag or boast. I'm just putting my commitment out there full well knowing that egg and other sarcastic comments could end up back in my face.
Such is the nature of risk in life..

JamesBoyd · 19th Jan 2009, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by slr99

I think in life there are 2 types of persons: Those who Make it Happen and those who Sees it happen.

Actually there's 3 types of people:

1. Those that make it happen

2. Those that watch it happen

and...

3. Those that say "what happened!"

The 13th Warrior · 19th Jan 2009, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Michael Ashbourne

I loved the cash tactics series. It covered all the basic information to get started and even presented a realistic view of what to expect with CPA. Not sure how far you got in the series, but at the end his one campaign he makes does not make money. His PPC costs were to high. He then explains what he is going to do to make it profitable. That is gold in my books.

Wow, what an honest way to present a course.

Might have to take a look at it.

Wish more courses and their creators were more realistic in this regard.

The 13 th Warrior

The 13th Warrior · 19th Jan 2009, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by kenwarrior

Actually there's 3 types of people:

1. Those that make it happen

2. Those that watch it happen

and...

3. Those that say "what happened!"

On its own, it sounds great.

But also, every slick-backed hair, greasy , snake-oil used car/insurance/investment/times-share salesman has this "comeback" in their tool chest to make you part with your cash, no matter how far from the truth the claims are or how worthless the product.

This "make it happen" is justified "if", after all the years of buying crap that doesn't work and getting the money sucked out your pocket, you get one to work and it gets you to your goals.

The 13 th Warrior

MaskedMarketer · 19th Jan 2009, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by HarveyJ

In fact, I'm pretty certain I even mentioned, on numerous occasions, your AM will be happy to teach you about a fair bit for free of this stuff because his bonuses come from your hard work.

Where's my "I told you so" hat?

Don't AM's also tell you what's converting well if you have a decent relationship with them?

Joschu · 20th Jan 2009, 01:43 AM

Hi, I did step into the CPA myself, though I am an absolute beginner in affiliate marketing and Adwords,...
WEll, everything is explained pretty well and things are laid out clear from those guys, but still there are some things, that keep me a little insecure.
First thing is that the support is working quite slowly. They say that they got overloaded with requests, but for my opinion then they could affort to give a few extra people a job in the supportarea.
Also I still am not familiar enough with the basics, to really partissipate in a way it might be possible.
So I liked the idea of clicking buttons to be part of the affiliate marketing world, but in fact it will only work, if you do already have quite some experience with everything they offer.

God bless,

Joschu

Srikanth D · 20th Jan 2009, 04:07 AM

Any comments about week 3 videos?

James Schramko · 20th Jan 2009, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by HarveyJ

affiliating with people that don't have a clue what they're doing...

Hindsight is a wonderful thing....

I promoted at the time on the basis of first hand results I have gained from the material and also the knowledge that I was committing to three months support.

I didn't mind offering the support because it is a challenge and it has provided the catalyst I needed to get my forum up and running.

It has been a huge effort and well worth it because I am committed to seeing every single student succeed which I am quite confident they will.

My forum members are enjoying tools and daily support and that was the deal.

The way I see it the people who I am working with will be the judge of value provided and I will give them value. Only they can say if I shot myself in the foot or not.

Anyone familiar with me will know I have a history of supplying free support and extras to complement products I promote and that means I am responsible for the outcomes of people who place their trust in me.

I ask this, what are the affiliated Big Gurus doing for their clients and why do people still buy from them?

M3C · 20th Jan 2009, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by James Schramko

I ask this, what are the affiliated Big Gurus doing for their clients and why do people still buy from them?

Not a lot frankly James is the answer to the intial question and misplaced trust (in most cases) in the answer to the latter. Generally speaking with a product like this if I wanted it I would simply purchase it from my own affiliate link, but you are clearly offering value for those who purchased under you and kudos for doing so.

If they are into week 3 now and the best they can offer is a video / affiliate link to SpyFU, it's probably very wise these people did sign up under you so they can have somebody on hand to fill in all the blanks.

Black Hat Cat · 20th Jan 2009, 08:33 AM

I gotta keep reminding myself I have a wife and 6 kids to feed . 2k is a big flocking deal to me.

Take that 2k and pay someone to tell you where babies come from, lol.

JamesBoyd · 20th Jan 2009, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

...it's probably very wise these people did sign up under you so they can have somebody on hand to fill in all the blanks.

...it's not the blanks that are the problem, it's the missing chapters!

shoogg · 20th Jan 2009, 09:09 AM

Refund recieved.

Sent refund request email.
Access to AC site was immediately cut off.
Posted to Warrior Forum.
Received refund notice email.
Money refunded in 4 days.

Goodbye Brad, goodbye Eben, goodbye Yanik, goodbye Joel, goodbye Shawn, goodbye Tellman, and Goodbye Aymen.

The 13th Warrior · 20th Jan 2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by shoogg

Goodbye Brad, goodbye Eben, goodbye Yanik, goodbye Joel, goodbye Shawn, goodbye Tellman, and Goodbye Aymen.

Guess they lost a customer and a potentially future customer.

Probably will be very suscpiscious of anything ever coming from them.

No matter how good or bad a product is, for whatever reason, it happens.

Most of the very good products, services and followups I hear get very few refund request....usually they say its something like:

1) the husband ordered the course, but he died before it arrived or something.

2) it was a good course, but it was just not for them

3) constant technical problems, like unable to download product or computer/software incompatibility.

The 13 th Warrior

The 13th Warrior · 20th Jan 2009, 11:45 AM

These guys are experienced.

Maybe they should have already known the stuff below.

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Reasons Why People Usually Don't Buy Again

By: Catherine Franz

There are many psychological reasons why people will buy from the first time and why they do not buy from you again. There are books on many of these reasons. Many of these reasons are totally out of your control.

But what about the ones that you are in control of?

What about the legit reasons that you or your staff cause?

Here are the ten top reasons why people do not buy a second time around.

1. Follow up after the sale was poor perceived quality, nonexistent, or too far after the sale.

2. You didn't ship the product in the time promised. Whether they needed it immediately or it sits in the in-box, when people buy something they don't like waiting. Otherwise, your credibility has been waived. Apologize and offer them an item with perceived value for free.

3. Your product didn't deliver what it promised. Even if your product didn't accomplish what they believe it should have they are not going to think your second product will either.

4. The buyer could not reach you when they had a "after question" sale. You could have added extra lines of communication.

5. Your customer doesn't want to revisit your website because it didn't offer much the first time around. You could have offered more original content or freebies.

6. Your competition is offering free shipping with their product and you aren't. You need to be more aware of how your competition is targeting customers at all times.

7. Your customer forgot your web site address or how to find you. They can't find you easily in the search engines (first or second page lists in their query). You should provide your contact information to your buyers in and on everything.

8. Customer service couldn't solve a problem they had with your product or didn't handle a refund well. Your customer service personnel, and yourself, need clear boundaries on what problems they solve and must pass up the ladder. They should also be trained on what tone, and language to use.

9. You did not up-sell them when they were already in the buying mood.

10. Competition offers a stronger money back guarantee. Always think of better ways to remove the risk from your customers and try to do it better than your competition.

This is a lot to remember, a lot to institute into your business practices, yet every one of these items are just as important as the next.

Remember too, this affects viral marketing as well (word of mouth/referrals).

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More "basic" stuff, I guess, these guys should've practiced.

They make the big money and got the big name and big rep, so maybe they don't need these tactics.

Since they don't, I'll buy their next course on how to withstand and continue business (without ) some of the principles below:

6 WAYS ON HOW TO REDUCE REFUND REQUEST

How To Avoid Refund Requests For Information Products

Marketing With Guarantees

The 13 th Warrior

Pordoy2 · 20th Jan 2009, 12:57 PM

Count me in as one of their lost customers.

I got my refund after sending more or less 40 emails. Can you imagine that!

The 13th Warrior · 20th Jan 2009, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by jimrpips

But I've taken more real practical action to improve my online business in the last two weeks than I have, frankly, in the last year. For that alone, the course is worth the money to me.

Maybe thats why no matter what the product or how old or new a subject or discipline, Coaching , Personal Trainers, Motivational Speakers and Memberships with benefits such as step by step videos, new how-to material based on FAQ, etc., will continue to be money makers for those that can do it or provide it.

Those under James seem to exemplify that example.

A niche that always has a demand, no matter what the subject.

The amount or demand of follow-up usually tells course creator to upsell a NEW product which is one of the above, coaching , etc., especially if people honestly like the course and IT'S NOT percieved to be or have "artificially INDUCED clarity/deficiencies" on purpose.

Or simply just having a bad product from the outset, in which case, honest course creator will provide the above "free" with no strings to make up for the blatant or bumbling deficiencies, made usually in a hurry to make a quick buck.

The 13 th Warrior

bobmcalister · 20th Jan 2009, 02:04 PM

gotta get into this hubbub....
why not seet up your very own cpa with local vendors on a regional or national basis? I am discussing that very approach with a regional vendor at the moment ...

speaking from a warrior standpoint, and abiding by the terms of our marketing strategies, the 2k iinvestment should return you something like 40k in a very short time....or not.

those classes are the ones that really geet me close to pulling the trigger,as oppossed to all the 7 diollar deals or the 47 dollar case study ..I like the case studies ...tho

later

trapper22250 · 20th Jan 2009, 02:15 PM

Just wondering about SpyFu.
As everyone on this thread knows, it was recommended in Week 3 of AC. Is it worth getting? Are there alternatives that make more sense? Is something like this essential for CPA?

Noah Fleming · 20th Jan 2009, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by honestbizpro

There is a huge void/OPPORTUNITY for someone to fill for less than a $2000 investment, because this is a very hot and lucrative industry.

I will not be surprised to see some very penetrating spinoff services that will do quite well.

I think Gauher is ramping up for a March release.
Why not learn from the guy who taught Aymen...

JamesBoyd · 20th Jan 2009, 04:23 PM

The party is OVER for running CPA campaigns as the AC guys have been doing it!

Thats just my opinion but the evidence is there, and I think the AC guys know it which is why they are moving up the food chain

I've seen/read some of the things Gauher is doing on his web sites to ensure he does not get a google slap and it's a lot of work, and that is the direction google is pushing the industry

The concept of "cranking" out campaigns like it is January 2006 is insane, yet that is what is being taught in the AC class

I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic, the guy can't even be bothered to move the window and zoom in so we can actually read the website he is showing us, and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window

CanuckMike · 20th Jan 2009, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by kenwarrior

and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window

This thread is epic. It has a complete life of its own and is tracking...if not already to be the biggest thread on the forum.

It is great to see that people can compare experiences because I think everybody would be feeling differently if they were by themselves without knowing the experience of other members in the program.

veotis · 20th Jan 2009, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Not a lot frankly James is the answer to the intial question and misplaced trust (in most cases) in the answer to the latter. Generally speaking with a product like this if I wanted it I would simply purchase it from my own affiliate link, but you are clearly offering value for those who purchased under you and kudos for doing so.

If they are into week 3 now and the best they can offer is a video / affiliate link to SpyFU, it's probably very wise these people did sign up under you so they can have somebody on hand to fill in all the blanks.

Week 3 was more than a video about SpyFu. I'll admit, as I have in a previous post, James' bonuses was the deciding factor for me purchasing the course. That was me doing due diligence, something a lot of people need to do when they consider purchasing any high dollar course. I actually like the week to week format they have laid out, as it doesn't overwhelm me since I have a full time job that has me working 6 days a week. And, when all is said and done, I'm confident that I'll get a good ROI on my initial 2k.

veotis · 20th Jan 2009, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by ben565

OK then why don't you show us some proof of how much money you are making with cpa offers then?

I guess this was directed at me, since you posted right after me. It doesn't matter what I make, or am going to make, it all boils down to "What are you going to do?". That's what really matters. I could tell you anything, but does that put money in your pocket or get you closer to your financial goals? I'm not now or ever going to divulge how much I make in a public forum, especially to some faceless person. I will say, though, that I'm getting better each day at this. Now, why don't you show us some proof of anything...

digabot · 20th Jan 2009, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by kenwarrior

The party is OVER for running CPA campaigns as the AC guys have been doing it!

The party is over for direct linking and making any easy money - except for a few who have it mastered through processes and systems.

I've seen/read some of the things Gauher is doing on his web sites to ensure he does not get a google slap and it's a lot of work, and that is the direction google is pushing the industry

The AC course teaches that same approach, just hasn't gotten there yet. Yes, it's a lot of work. What, did you think this was easy money? Three words - Get a Coder.

The concept of "cranking" out campaigns like it is January 2006 is insane, yet that is what is being taught in the AC class

No, testing tons of offers to find winners is still necessary to succeed in this biz on a large scale. Again, those who do the work will come out ahead.

I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic

Yeah, they're pretty bad so far - very general. However, you can go learn the nuts and bolts any number of places.

It's the specifics on scaling and managing traffic and your business to reach the maximum profit potential that you're not going to learn in any great detail for free (maybe useless generalities like "Outsource", "use MSN and Yahoo!" or "Test and tweak"). It is where most people fail and, if delivered in this course, will be worth 100x the price.

Unfortunately, that stuff is at the end.

ToddieM · 20th Jan 2009, 08:28 PM

I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic, the guy can't even be bothered to move the window and zoom in so we can actually read the website he is showing us, and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window

Personally, I rather like his banging on the table. It's like the definitive, "here is my content offered up to the universe" as he hits the enter key. Admittedly, at first, (not unlike Bruce Springseen from WAY back in the day); it grew on me over time. Evidently, other people rather like it as well as he was being goaded into doing more of it on one of the webinar calls.
I've even taken to doing some banging of my own on the enter key when I'm in cranking campaign mode.
It's the sound of success, like a cash register, and I'm loving it!

JimmyPips: I couldn't agree with you more, dude. Spot on.

JamesBoyd · 20th Jan 2009, 09:04 PM

sorry but the AC guys are taking the p***, throwing togther a bunch of 8-15 minute poorely prepared on-the-fly cam recordings with 1-2 page pdf files for $2K

so sweat, I'll be out of here on day 29 of my guarantee

digabot · 20th Jan 2009, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by kenwarrior

sorry but the AC guys are taking the p***, throwing togther a bunch of 8-15 minute poorely prepared on-the-fly cam recordings with 1-2 page pdf files for $2K

so sweat, I'll be out of here on day 29 of my guarantee

I think you're failing to grasp how simple this business model really is. It doesn't take a ton of detailed instruction. It takes work ethic.

Find offers to test.

Test them.

If they make money, optimize and scale by split testing and tracking.

If not, get rid of them.

Do it again. And again. And again.

When you get to your max in terms of working in your biz, build a team and do the above on a larger scale.

Nothing happens if you don't do the work. The keyword research, PPC, Websites & Landing pages, Tracking to the penny and to the keyword, negotiating payouts. You need to do it all. If you don't, you're doomed. Simple as that.

For people looking for the "big secret" about how to make money at this, they're actually giving it to you - as have many man other people online for free. The big secret is actually doing it.

JamesBoyd · 20th Jan 2009, 10:20 PM

If you think this course is good value stick with it, I don't, it's nothing to do with work ethic, the course sucks, end of story - good luck!

Originally Posted by digabot

I think you're failing to grasp how simple this business model really is. It doesn't take a ton of detailed instruction. It takes work ethic.

Find offers to test.

Test them.

If they make money, optimize and scale by split testing and tracking.

If not, get rid of them.

Do it again. And again. And again.

When you get to your max in terms of working in your biz, build a team and do the above on a larger scale.

Nothing happens if you don't do the work. The keyword research, PPC, Websites & Landing pages, Tracking to the penny and to the keyword, negotiating payouts. You need to do it all. If you don't, you're doomed. Simple as that.

For people looking for the "big secret" about how to make money at this, they're actually giving it to you - as have many man other people online for free. The big secret is actually doing it.

JamesBoyd · 20th Jan 2009, 11:39 PM

hey, I did not say I was quitting CPA, internet marketing or PPC, far from it, I'm just dumping these guys because I don't like the poor way they are teaching this material, in addition my gut tells me they are not going to deliver the goods and will hold back the real secrets!

Originally Posted by Stephon "Phon" Rudd

Kenwarrior, I think you've been bitten too much and now you're taking it out on everyone else. Honestly, the course being the best or not is a matter of opinion.

So you're right there.

But what the course teaches is also a working system that really isn't that big a secret to begin with. And it works. It's simple to explain. And it works.

And I'm not just on the outside looking in, I actually make my money doing what they're teaching and so I know.

If you don't want to open up your mind and use it, fine. Keep doing your online marketing the hard way. It's your choice. But don't discredit the enormous value of the system simply because it was too easy for the expert to explain.

Now, we agree on one thing...

The course was simply TOO HIGH. But so is a Lexus. Same car as the Camary but with a better name. Could they have priced it a lot less? Yes and it probably would have made more sense to do so. But the information inside will make you 5-6 figures each month so, either way, the price was worth it.

SteveAC · 21st Jan 2009, 12:39 AM

Stephon, please PM me what you say they won't be showing us in the AC course. Thanks! i would pm you but not enough posts.

trapper22250 · 21st Jan 2009, 12:46 AM

I was pm'd re whether I was sticking with AC or not- can't reply privately yet due to my message count. So here goes:

Yes, I plan to stick with it.
First, I have learned a bit and expect that to accelerate esp past week 4.
Second, I have a few profitable campaigns via Google (!) and can see things working well as I have time to tweak.
Third, I'd rather learn great content from lousy teachers than medicore content from great teachers. Ideally, great teachers would teach the great content, but given the chioce, I'll take content over style. These boys are CPA experts; nothing else. That's good enough for me.

My assumption is that the content will continue to deepen. I don't buy the idea that Fallon et al would sacrifice their names for lousy content.

I like the week to week format, starting from the very basics and building.

Finally, I have the personality to play with the details. I forget who flagged this issue, but the more I learn the more true it is: CPA will drive some people nuts. I currently find it refreshing.

Special thanks to James Schramko for his perspective and honesty. Wish I would've signed up through you! Any chance of a buy in??

tptrillion · 21st Jan 2009, 03:52 AM

Well, i came about this CPA report late last year, though i haven't read it. I feel it's a fantastic way of generating sales and increasing profits. But i honestly think the competition will continue to rise as more and more people get their hands on it. What do you think?

Pordoy2 · 21st Jan 2009, 03:59 AM

Think of it like a specially trained army fighting against each other. How could a battle be won?

RC7000 · 21st Jan 2009, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by shoogg

Refund recieved.

Sent refund request email.
Access to AC site was immediately cut off.
Posted to Warrior Forum.
Received refund notice email.
Money refunded in 4 days.

Goodbye Brad, goodbye Eben, goodbye Yanik, goodbye Joel, goodbye Shawn, goodbye Tellman, and Goodbye Aymen.

I've got one word for you: congratulations!

digabot · 21st Jan 2009, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by kenwarrior

they are not going to deliver the goods and will hold back the real secrets!

The quintessential newbie mindset. This is the root of so much IM sales copy it's not even funny.

"Learn Secrets The Gurus Will Never Tell You But Have Been Secretly Using to Make Millions Online"

"Our Friends Said We Were Crazy To Reveal These Closely Guarded Techniques That Only Elite Marketers Know About"

There are no secrets, just work.

Eric Graudins · 21st Jan 2009, 08:29 AM

Well, Aymon's just sent out an email to his Arbitrage Conspiracy list promoting a $1 trial offer for Shaun Casey's list building program.

That's great news. Surely all his support queries must have been answered if he has got the spare time to do this !

templar · 21st Jan 2009, 09:54 AM

I am finding the best advice is to back to the videos and watch the stuff you think you know, and see if you are applying it all. Most people I talk to are missing a step or two, and when they put the steps together, things start to work.

khairi · 21st Jan 2009, 10:49 AM

hmm.. just received my refund.

Chris_King · 21st Jan 2009, 10:55 AM

Yea, The Arbitrage Conspiracy is really basic stuff so far. If the next few modules don't get better, I'm asking for a refund.

So far, PayPerClickFormula from Gauher Chaudry is much better.

Let's step it up Aymen!

Cataclysmic · 21st Jan 2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by digabot

I think you're failing to grasp how simple this business model really is. It doesn't take a ton of detailed instruction. It takes work ethic.

Find offers to test.

Test them.

If they make money, optimize and scale by split testing and tracking.

If not, get rid of them.

Do it again. And again. And again.

When you get to your max in terms of working in your biz, build a team and do the above on a larger scale.

Nothing happens if you don't do the work. The keyword research, PPC, Websites & Landing pages, Tracking to the penny and to the keyword, negotiating payouts. You need to do it all. If you don't, you're doomed. Simple as that.

For people looking for the "big secret" about how to make money at this, they're actually giving it to you - as have many man other people online for free. The big secret is actually doing it.

Well, I've been putting in the work. I've been averaging 8 hours a day since the course began, and following their instructions, and it's looking pretty hopeless so far.

Throwing a pile of random keywords into one ad group and linking directly to the offers like they told us to do the first week definitely doesn't work, so now I'm spending more time on each campaign in the hopes of actually getting some impressions. Clicks are nice, but I'll be happy just with enough impressions for now.

Yesterday I spent the full day starting up 2 campaigns. It took over 4 hours to start each campaign because I was doing detailed keyword research like they've explained, creating many unique targeted ad groups, writing appropriate ads, etc. ...and as of now, one of those two campaigns has got 264 impressions (no clicks) and the other has got 12 impressions (no clicks).

When this sort of thing happens (which is often), I go back an analyze the campaigns and make changes that I think will improve them... but rarely do they improve much.

I'm putting in the work, but I'm having a heck of a time coming anywhere close to using up my $20 daily budget for each campaign. We're supposed to be cranking campaigns to find out which ones generate a profit. I'm cranking out the campaigns, but the vast majority won't generate enough data to let me know whether or not they're profitable, and the very few that DO generate enough data are light-years from profitable.

There's got to be more to this than just work ethic, and I sure hope they tell us soon what the missing piece is. As of now, it's looking like I may be aiming for a 29th day refund also.

Digabot: since you write with authority I'm curious - how successful have you been with CPA?

James Schramko: How are your students doing with CPA? How are you doing with CPA? I may be interested in a buy in to your forum if that's an option. I'd PM you but not enough posts yet. Feel free to respond by PM if you like (I'm pretty sure I can at least receive PMs).

Raemi13 · 21st Jan 2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by buzzword

You would be best served by moving to Yahoo, or MSN, or (heaven forbid!) the second tier PPC markets. You'd be surprised how much traffic you can get for literally pennies per keyword. Yeah Google dominates the market, but you PAY for that convenience! In a direct comparison, what would cost $0.25 for a first page click in Google (not even first PLACE!) you could pay $0.02 for a click in 7search.

So, say you manage to convert 1 in every 5.

If the payout is $1.50 for the lead, you'll spend $1.25 to get the $1.50 on Google.
But, you'll spend $0.10 to get the $1.50 on a 2nd tier PPC engine.

Heck, you can even do as bad as convert 1 in every 100 and STILL MAKE A 50% PROFIT!
There are a lot of 2nd tier PPC engines available. I would suggest using them to perform your "testing" on. When you find a winner that you can convert to 1 in 5, THEN move it to Google and duplicate.

I agree - I've been using mainly Yahoo myself and have been doing anywhere from $15 profit - $8 loss over the past week as it fluctuates and I've spent around $100 total in clicks.

My average CPC is around $.16. Much cheaper than I was paying on Google in the beginning.

Rae

Raemi13 · 21st Jan 2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by honestbizpro

This could make a person feel better....or not, about Arbitrage Conspiracy.

My Homeboy Perry Marshall's new Jet Propulsion. Careful, price could cause fainting.

Jet Propulsion

alot of this threads comments have to do with PPC, so thought I would mention.

Causing fainting would be the LEAST of it! OMG!

Raemi13 · 21st Jan 2009, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Eric Graudins

Well, Aymon's just sent out an email to his Arbitrage Conspiracy list promoting a $1 trial offer for Shaun Casey's list building program.

That's great news. Surely all his support queries must have been answered if he has got the spare time to do this !

Interesting - I don't think I got this e-mail.

tradermike2008 · 21st Jan 2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Cataclysmic

Throwing a pile of random keywords into one ad group and linking directly to the offers like they told us to do the first week definitely doesn't work, so now I'm spending more time on each campaign in the hopes of actually getting some impressions. Clicks are nice, but I'll be happy just with enough impressions for now.

this type of "strategy" does not work and it is amazing to me that they told people to do this. You actually want to do the opposite. Find one good broad key word - bid a lot on it to make sure you get a good click through rate. Then you can start to lower your bid. But you need to establish a good ctr rate with your keyword.

Once you get that word working and converting then spread out to more minor keywords.

But stuffing a bunch of words in one ad group is the complete opposite of how you want to start out.

I'd suggest you just take a simple course on using google adwords. That is all you need to know to get started and you can probably find the info for free on warrior forum somewhere.

Trusting these characters is an obvious recipe for disaster and I wouldn't trust people who pimped themselves out to them either to get affiliate commissions. Read this thread and see who is credible and who isn't.

In the end YOU are the only one who can make money for yourself. No guru is going to hold your hand and do it for you. Expecting to pay 2k for a course and then make 100k or something ridiculous a few weeks later is silly.

Google adwords isn't rocket science. You just need to understand what google wants and then give it to them.

What they don't want is a bunch of random keywords stuffed with little relevance to the landing pages stuffed into your account.

That results in google slap and will make all of your other keyword campaigns more expensive.

tradermike2008 · 21st Jan 2009, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by honestbizpro

Build A Massive Email List for $1??

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:06 AM

From:
"The Arbitrage Conspiracy" aymen@arbitrageconspiracy.com

Hey that's the nature of a marketer I guess....can't put your eggs all in one basket. I am sure he gets offers everyday to affiliate. Hey who wouldn't want to press the send button and make thousand$ with a huge list?

Same game - ridiculious claims. Yeah like I"m going to spend one single dollar and make a massive email list.

Get real.

Anyone who falls for them again after the arbitrage hype is an idiot.

JamesBoyd · 21st Jan 2009, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Raemi13

Interesting - I don't think I got this e-mail.

just go back to the main AC site, find the click to buy link, you will now get a "membership closed" page, just sign up with a different email to get on the "waiting list" and you will then get these offers - they are not going to anyone who has bough in to AC

19th Jan 2009, 06:06 PM	#1404
Nick Militarescu New Warrior Member Join Date: 2008 Location: North Haledon, NJ Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: lots of god info here!

20th Jan 2009, 01:43 AM	#1410
Joschu Warrior Member Join Date: 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Hi, I did step into the CPA myself, though I am an absolute beginner in affiliate marketing and Adwords,... WEll, everything is explained pretty well and things are laid out clear from those guys, but still there are some things, that keep me a little insecure. First thing is that the support is working quite slowly. They say that they got overloaded with requests, but for my opinion then they could affort to give a few extra people a job in the supportarea. Also I still am not familiar enough with the basics, to really partissipate in a way it might be possible. So I liked the idea of clicking buttons to be part of the affiliate marketing world, but in fact it will only work, if you do already have quite some experience with everything they offer. God bless, Joschu

20th Jan 2009, 04:07 AM	#1411
Srikanth D HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 298 Thanks: 59 Thanked 22 Times in 18 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Any comments about week 3 videos?
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20th Jan 2009, 09:09 AM	#1416
shoogg Warrior Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Refund recieved. Sent refund request email. Access to AC site was immediately cut off. Posted to Warrior Forum. Received refund notice email. Money refunded in 4 days. Goodbye Brad, goodbye Eben, goodbye Yanik, goodbye Joel, goodbye Shawn, goodbye Tellman, and Goodbye Aymen.

20th Jan 2009, 11:45 AM	#1418
The 13th Warrior Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 515 Thanks: 408 Thanked 210 Times in 127 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: These guys are experienced. Maybe they should have already known the stuff below. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reasons Why People Usually Don't Buy Again By: Catherine Franz There are many psychological reasons why people will buy from the first time and why they do not buy from you again. There are books on many of these reasons. Many of these reasons are totally out of your control. But what about the ones that you are in control of? What about the legit reasons that you or your staff cause? Here are the ten top reasons why people do not buy a second time around. 1. Follow up after the sale was poor perceived quality, nonexistent, or too far after the sale. 2. You didn't ship the product in the time promised. Whether they needed it immediately or it sits in the in-box, when people buy something they don't like waiting. Otherwise, your credibility has been waived. Apologize and offer them an item with perceived value for free. 3. Your product didn't deliver what it promised. Even if your product didn't accomplish what they believe it should have they are not going to think your second product will either. 4. The buyer could not reach you when they had a "after question" sale. You could have added extra lines of communication. 5. Your customer doesn't want to revisit your website because it didn't offer much the first time around. You could have offered more original content or freebies. 6. Your competition is offering free shipping with their product and you aren't. You need to be more aware of how your competition is targeting customers at all times. 7. Your customer forgot your web site address or how to find you. They can't find you easily in the search engines (first or second page lists in their query). You should provide your contact information to your buyers in and on everything. 8. Customer service couldn't solve a problem they had with your product or didn't handle a refund well. Your customer service personnel, and yourself, need clear boundaries on what problems they solve and must pass up the ladder. They should also be trained on what tone, and language to use. 9. You did not up-sell them when they were already in the buying mood. 10. Competition offers a stronger money back guarantee. Always think of better ways to remove the risk from your customers and try to do it better than your competition. This is a lot to remember, a lot to institute into your business practices, yet every one of these items are just as important as the next. Remember too, this affects viral marketing as well (word of mouth/referrals). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More "basic" stuff, I guess, these guys should've practiced. They make the big money and got the big name and big rep, so maybe they don't need these tactics. Since they don't, I'll buy their next course on how to withstand and continue business (without ) some of the principles below: 6 WAYS ON HOW TO REDUCE REFUND REQUEST How To Avoid Refund Requests For Information Products Marketing With Guarantees The 13 th Warrior

20th Jan 2009, 12:57 PM	#1419
Pordoy2 Warrior Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Count me in as one of their lost customers. I got my refund after sending more or less 40 emails. Can you imagine that!

20th Jan 2009, 02:04 PM	#1421
bobmcalister lease this space War Room Member Join Date: 2005 Location: moving to Coscar soon..my nose glows around here Posts: 604 Thanks: 341 Thanked 83 Times in 72 Posts Blog Entries: 14	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: gotta get into this hubbub.... why not seet up your very own cpa with local vendors on a regional or national basis? I am discussing that very approach with a regional vendor at the moment ... speaking from a warrior standpoint, and abiding by the terms of our marketing strategies, the 2k iinvestment should return you something like 40k in a very short time....or not. those classes are the ones that really geet me close to pulling the trigger,as oppossed to all the 7 diollar deals or the 47 dollar case study ..I like the case studies ...tho later
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20th Jan 2009, 02:15 PM	#1422
trapper22250 Warrior Member Join Date: 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Just wondering about SpyFu. As everyone on this thread knows, it was recommended in Week 3 of AC. Is it worth getting? Are there alternatives that make more sense? Is something like this essential for CPA?
	Trapper22250

20th Jan 2009, 04:23 PM	#1424
JamesBoyd Going The Distance Join Date: 2009 Location: USA Posts: 501 Thanks: 67 Thanked 113 Times in 74 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: The party is OVER for running CPA campaigns as the AC guys have been doing it! Thats just my opinion but the evidence is there, and I think the AC guys know it which is why they are moving up the food chain I've seen/read some of the things Gauher is doing on his web sites to ensure he does not get a google slap and it's a lot of work, and that is the direction google is pushing the industry The concept of "cranking" out campaigns like it is January 2006 is insane, yet that is what is being taught in the AC class I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic, the guy can't even be bothered to move the window and zoom in so we can actually read the website he is showing us, and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window

20th Jan 2009, 08:28 PM	#1429
ToddieM That Foot Guy Join Date: 2008 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Posts: 96 Thanks: 29 Thanked 18 Times in 11 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic, the guy can't even be bothered to move the window and zoom in so we can actually read the website he is showing us, and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window Personally, I rather like his banging on the table. It's like the definitive, "here is my content offered up to the universe" as he hits the enter key. Admittedly, at first, (not unlike Bruce Springseen from WAY back in the day); it grew on me over time. Evidently, other people rather like it as well as he was being goaded into doing more of it on one of the webinar calls. I've even taken to doing some banging of my own on the enter key when I'm in cranking campaign mode. It's the sound of success, like a cash register, and I'm loving it! JimmyPips: I couldn't agree with you more, dude. Spot on.
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20th Jan 2009, 09:04 PM	#1430
JamesBoyd Going The Distance Join Date: 2009 Location: USA Posts: 501 Thanks: 67 Thanked 113 Times in 74 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: sorry but the AC guys are taking the p***, throwing togther a bunch of 8-15 minute poorely prepared on-the-fly cam recordings with 1-2 page pdf files for $2K so sweat, I'll be out of here on day 29 of my guarantee

21st Jan 2009, 12:39 AM	#1434
SteveAC Warrior Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 27 Thanks: 5 Thanked 22 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Stephon, please PM me what you say they won't be showing us in the AC course. Thanks! i would pm you but not enough posts.

21st Jan 2009, 12:46 AM	#1435
trapper22250 Warrior Member Join Date: 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I was pm'd re whether I was sticking with AC or not- can't reply privately yet due to my message count. So here goes: Yes, I plan to stick with it. First, I have learned a bit and expect that to accelerate esp past week 4. Second, I have a few profitable campaigns via Google (!) and can see things working well as I have time to tweak. Third, I'd rather learn great content from lousy teachers than medicore content from great teachers. Ideally, great teachers would teach the great content, but given the chioce, I'll take content over style. These boys are CPA experts; nothing else. That's good enough for me. My assumption is that the content will continue to deepen. I don't buy the idea that Fallon et al would sacrifice their names for lousy content. I like the week to week format, starting from the very basics and building. Finally, I have the personality to play with the details. I forget who flagged this issue, but the more I learn the more true it is: CPA will drive some people nuts. I currently find it refreshing. Special thanks to James Schramko for his perspective and honesty. Wish I would've signed up through you! Any chance of a buy in??
	Trapper22250

21st Jan 2009, 03:52 AM	#1436
tptrillion Warrior Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Well, i came about this CPA report late last year, though i haven't read it. I feel it's a fantastic way of generating sales and increasing profits. But i honestly think the competition will continue to rise as more and more people get their hands on it. What do you think?
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21st Jan 2009, 03:59 AM	#1437
Pordoy2 Warrior Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Think of it like a specially trained army fighting against each other. How could a battle be won?

21st Jan 2009, 08:29 AM	#1440
Eric Graudins The Internet Bloke War Room Member Join Date: 2003 Location: Tasmania Posts: 243 Thanks: 129 Thanked 55 Times in 36 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Well, Aymon's just sent out an email to his Arbitrage Conspiracy list promoting a $1 trial offer for Shaun Casey's list building program. That's great news. Surely all his support queries must have been answered if he has got the spare time to do this !
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21st Jan 2009, 09:54 AM	#1441
templar gently seasoned ninja War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 228 Thanks: 31 Thanked 42 Times in 28 Posts Blog Entries: 6	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I am finding the best advice is to back to the videos and watch the stuff you think you know, and see if you are applying it all. Most people I talk to are missing a step or two, and when they put the steps together, things start to work.
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21st Jan 2009, 10:49 AM	#1442
khairi Billionaire in the making War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 302 Thanks: 49 Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: hmm.. just received my refund.
	Best, Khairi

21st Jan 2009, 10:55 AM	#1443
Chris_King Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: California, USA. Posts: 54 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Yea, The Arbitrage Conspiracy is really basic stuff so far. If the next few modules don't get better, I'm asking for a refund. So far, PayPerClickFormula from Gauher Chaudry is much better. Let's step it up Aymen!
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