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Unread 21st Jan 2009, 01:52 PM   #1451
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Originally Posted by Cataclysmic View Post

Well, I've been putting in the work. I've been averaging 8 hours a day since the course began, and following their instructions, and it's looking pretty hopeless so far.

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I appreciate people posting what they done and what the results have been, I've had a similar experiance, I'm no slacker and have put together a number of campaigns based on the "training" to date, they ALL start out looking good then get closed down by google with 24h with CPC going to $1-2

If the AC guys want to be credible they should start a few campaigns using what they have taught and show us the results, to date they have not shown 1 single example of a campaign that they have done, ridiculous, they could surely burn one profitable small campaign for the purposes of the course, as many others do

no sweat, I'm on day 28, you won't be hearing from me on this subject for much longer!
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Originally Posted by Chris_King View Post

Yea, The Arbitrage Conspiracy is really basic stuff so far. If the next few modules don't get better, I'm asking for a refund.

So far, PayPerClickFormula from Gauher Chaudry is much better.

Let's step it up Aymen!
I've been researching this guy Chaudry, I've found more useful and valuable free and relevant info about PPC and CPA from him that all the 1st 3 weeks of AC!
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Well, of course throwing a bunch of keywords into a google adgroup and seeing what sticks is not going to work. It's just to get the newbies to get on the tricycle and start pedalling and ringing the little bell.
Has to be the dumbest argument I've ever heard. You don't get newbies(or anyone else for that matter) to "ring the bell" by teaching them something that is guaranteed not to work.


AC is a course on how to use a number of existing, well-known business parctices in the world of CPA, tweak them in certain ways, and scale up to huge numbers.
Then maybe they should get to them, and refrain from teaching folks to engage in practices that are well-known not to work, like throwing hundreds/thousands of keywords into an Adgroup. I didn't buy the course, but for $2,000, if they told even one person to do that, they should get an a** whooping over it. And anyone who didn't refund after being told that nonsense has more dollars than sense, which is ok. But don't whine come week 12 when you're still waiting for the meat to get revealed.
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You're going to have a whole new group of upset people when they start getting into how you structure your campaigns, websites, the advanced tools you need to use, etc since the work load and complexity will increase by a factor of 10.

From what I've seen of the entire AC process, folks in this course should be prepared to:

Build Silo'd websites (15 page minimum)

Build Review Sites, Presell Pages, Squeeze Pages

Buy/Use: KeyCompete (or even better, KeywordSpy), Wordze, LPGen, Autoresponder Service, Speed PPC, Adwords Editor

Learn to Track EVERYTHING using Prosper202 or similar

Split Test Landing Page Elements (AB + Multivariate)

Create Autoresponder Sequences

Create Multiple Accounts With Each PPC Engine Using Different Credit Cards and run duplicate campaigns

Hire and Manage Outsourced Staff


Enjoy the easy stuff while it lasts.

For those trying to test iFramed offers on Google: try doing it on a domain that has a proper site around it - Home page, themed silos, 3 articles minimum per silo, about us, contact, privacy, disclaimer, sitemap. Your luck just might change overnight.
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Originally Posted by kenwarrior View Post

I've been researching this guy Chaudry, I've found more useful and valuable free and relevant info about PPC and CPA from him that all the 1st 3 weeks of AC!
Can you please post some links to where you're finding the "useful and valuable free and relevant info"?

I can't find anything except for his blog which has just 2 posts and isn't fully set up yet.

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by digabot View Post

You're going to have a whole new group of upset people when they start getting into how you structure your campaigns, websites, the advanced tools you need to use, etc since the work load and complexity will increase by a factor of 10.

.......CUT SOME STUFF OUT HERE TO SAVE SPACE........

For those trying to test iFramed offers on Google: try doing it on a domain that has a proper site around it - Home page, themed silos, 3 articles minimum per silo, about us, contact, privacy, disclaimer, sitemap. Your luck just might change overnight.
I'm willing to give it a try, and thanks for the advice.... but I must ask: How do you know this? What is your experience? Do you earn a living through CPA and have you done all this yourself?
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Wow - I just sent an email to the two support email addresses I have for AC, and I got 2 responses both within an hour, and each from a different person.

I must say that although their responses were somewhat helpful, I don't think they were thoroughly enough, but I am impressed that I got responses, and that I got them so fast... and I'm pretty sure one of them was from Emmanuel himself, although he didn't sign his name.

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To all you people still holding onto the hope of AC, let's do a reality check:

You are 25% of the way through the course and you haven't even learned how to setup a proper PPC campaign.

You are better off taking the $2k and testing with adwords. You will learn more real-world, applicable, apply-able experience.
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Originally Posted by Cataclysmic View Post

Can you please post some links to where you're finding the "useful and valuable free and relevant info"?

I can't find anything except for his blog which has just 2 posts and isn't fully set up yet.

Thanks.
This is the generic process I run through to research someone:

1. google/yahoo/msn search the name
2. find all web sites
3. sign up for all free newsletters
4. read all the newsletters and find more websites and repeat step 3
5. constantly use whois on website domains to verify ownership
6. use the site:domain command to list all indexed pages in each site
7. read the material on each page
8. if a page is missing try the cache - it's often there

it's really quite amazing what you can find!

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Originally Posted by Cataclysmic View Post

Can you please post some links to where you're finding the "useful and valuable free and relevant info"?
Type this into Google:

site:coolcashezine.com
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Hi TraderMike2008,

Do you have any CPA resources that you like and recommend? Do you have any marketing Heros at all?
Sure there are lots of guys selling good stuff. I like Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, John Reese. Anyone getting started out should get Reese's traffic secrets. Its gives a good overview of IM. Reese said several things that made a big impact on me. One that is key is that you should think of IM as building a business and an asset and not just a tactic to make money.
In other words you should work to build some sort of asset that you could one day sell like a real business. That could be a site or an email list.

Also those that succeed simply do a little more than everyone else and provide a little more for their customers.

Matt Trainer put together a good guide to using google and ppc. I don't know where to get it on the internet, but I can send you my copy of it. Just send me a private message with your email address and I'll email it to you.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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Sure there are lots of guys selling good stuff. I like Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, John Reese. Anyone getting started out should get Reese's traffic secrets. Its gives a good overview of IM. Reese said several things that made a big impact on me.
The IM guru circle cross-promoting each other's stuff reminds me of a Playboy cartoon where a bunch of scout boys are sitting around a campfire each with his hand in the pocket of the guy sitting to the right of him ... cross promoting the next guy's stuff.

After my experience with Mike Filsaime's magazine (had to get a new Amex to stop withdrawals even after confirmed cancellation), I've unsubscribed from most of these guys. They simply use the old DM concentric sucker circles to milk money from gullible newbies looking for the magic formula for riches. Get real.

Far better sources of "tried-and-true" information you can find on internetretailer.com (and attend their conferences) -- these are REAL guys running REAL $5-20M businesses not just another launch of crazy-name shitproduct. Look at Amazon and study how Jeff is making $14.8 billion a year by serving customers, not by "moneysucking" them with another crappy launch for the greedy newbies.

IM may be like religion, you gotta learn to spot the snake-oil salesmen, the false prophets, from the real guys building real multi-million dollar businesses.

Aymen, ain't it.

karmapoolcleaner We're all flying through space in Orion Spur, a minor spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy, at combined orbital speeds of probably around 600 kilometers a second. Let's make it fun ride. No victory is worth celebrating if it is at the expense of your fellow man. There's no glory in taking advantage of people's ignorance, stupidity or even their greed to make a buck.

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Aymen aint what?
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I love a good analogy, and I agree with your overall message, but the beggining will offend a few people needlessly.
It's not needlessly if its true.

Sucking peoples money and making unfullfilled promises, bait and switch tactics, wasting peoples time and money is "needlessly".

If you advertise something, make sure your claims match your product.

Maybe even exceed claims...its called overdeliver, simple, marketing 101.

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So...it finally makes some sense.

They mentioned on the call today that "the more complex they make things, the more people request refunds".

And that is why the are catering so hard to noobs. And why the material is so painfully bad.

Kind of a strange approach if in fact they are trying to train affiliates. It would be much more advantageous to cater to people who knew a bit about what they were doing since those folks would likely turn into more powerful earners quicker.

Getting the impression that they're going to dumb down the rest of the material as well, including the business structure and management which is the only thing I was holding out for.

Sounds like Aymen listened too much to the d-bag guru buddies of his as I'm sure they told him "target the new people, they really respond to 'make a bazillion in a week' ad copy" since that's what they all use.

They were talking about match types today for crying out loud.

Disappointing since I know for a fact that these guys are doing just unreal numbers and have a lot of good knowledge that will likely not come out in this course.

Also hope Guaher Chaudhry takes a cue from this product and overdelivers with PPCF 2 on things that really help you to kick ass on the scale side.
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In connection with some of the posts here about decent internet marketers, I'm sure some of you know of Ken Macarthy (sp?) of the System Seminar?

That's also where many other successful IM'ers learnt from.

It's held every year, I think it's there 16th year this year.
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This is a very good report but can you give me a good CPA site i can work with.
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Is that right? Good to know. They are not promoting it..I just dug it up.

Has anyone ever used a PPC Service (one that creates and manages your campaigns for you) with any success?

I am sure large companies with unlimited bankrolls do it all the time.
I used a company called Reach Local to promote my podiatry practice when I was very new and green to IM.
He did a good job, and it was that action that convinced me that IM is here to stay.

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Have you guys actually heard Gauher's whole presentation from The System?

It's even more general than the AC course.
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Have you guys actually heard Gauher's whole presentation from The System?

It's even more general than the AC course.
He charges $695 for his course and someone posted in the thread titled, whats the best ppc course, that this guy and Perrys stuff is good.

So far , consensus has the only hands down course, especially for beginners/newbs is Perry Marshalls course.

The others:

Gauhers stuff

Doubledigit ctr

cash tactics

ppc classroom

Luke's stuff

Looks like the way to go is Perry for basic, sound foundation and understanding, workable, get you feet wet stuff for beginners.

Get some stuff goin with Perrys material, make some money, then buy this other stuff.

All the others seem to expand to different strategies and more advanced application.

But even so, you still don't want to get burned at $695-$2000 for stuff just above basic application.

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Also hope Guaher Chaudhry takes a cue from this product and overdelivers with PPCF 2 on things that really help you to kick ass on the scale side.

I hope you are right. Judging by his obvious disapproval of Aymen using "his" Alexa strategy, I say Gauher is pissed without really saying so. He may just give up the gravy.

Maybe its all a plot. Arbitrage watering things down so all the intermediates refund JUST in time for PPC FORMULA II. They have each other's number, we know that much. AHA!

Anything goes in this world, you just never know......I actually just thought of the second part of this as I was typing in the first part....

LOL.....
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In connection with some of the posts here about decent internet marketers, I'm sure some of you know of Ken Macarthy (sp?) of the System Seminar?

That's also where many other successful IM'ers learnt from.
Here's another guy just can't get a definitive read on.

Either he is a secret no one wants to let out or its nothing all that special.

Seen several threads here asking whats the deal with Ken, and most get a luke warm response, something like, "oh yeah, he's ok, too" type responses, or " good solid info", but not too excited about it.

Never hear anyone going all out in defense or to war about this guy, from seasoned vets to newbs.

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[quote=James Schramko;302443]

In my case I am not making 100k per day yet - but - Aymen was a key driver for me to be free from employment. So if people are looking for a plan and they want to follow it - it is a pretty good one. [quote]

James--Have you made that much by going through the 12 week course or just the blueprint?
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Have you signed up for the course and seen results? Happy with it?
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Originally Posted by Andrew Erdnase View Post

This may sound negative but if these guys are truly making as much money per day as they say they are why are selling this at all? If I had come across methods that would bring me this much per day there is no way I'd be selling the secrets to anyone lest it bring my own success to an end or dilute it in some way.

This is what puts me off with some of the big money programs. If they are as successful as they say they are why doesn't the seller just keep on earning their millions without giving away the secrets?
I've heard some of the calls on this and I think that the answer to your question is truly two fold.......one.....that there is enough to go around so it's not going to hurt to share. Two...they are building their own CPA in the future so if they can teach people how to do it they are making ready made successful affiiliates for their own network. Brilliant actually.
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