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Unread 9th Dec 2008, 10:43 PM   #151
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Originally Posted by Mike Williams View Post

Ok. Here's the deal. He's got you excited about how you can find better offers on CPA networks than Clickbank (which is true by the way!). But you come back to the same old problem. How to get the traffic at affordable prices and get it converting.
What do you mean by better offers? $2 for a lead is better than 50% of a $47 product? They're not the same type of thing, so how can you compare them unless you've sent traffic to both and calculated which makes more profit?

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Yea - the "gurU call ... rite skater dude
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Originally Posted by templar View Post

You basically get the las vegas info for free, if you hop on that call tonight.
Ha. I listened to the entire call, and there was not much info given out (no surprise there), less than in the PDF I already had.

About the price, did anyone think this was going to be a $97 product considering the amounts of money they talk about?

Where is the sales letter people say they are reading?

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Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

I like keeping up to date on what's out there so I'm never fussed, the only issue is when you're on a lot of IM lists your end up being spammed with brilliant " buy it from me and I'll give you XXX" crappola ..
I really wish people here could understand what spam is. If you joined those lists, you are not being spammed. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

WHY in the world are people stuffing there affiliate links
here at the WF? about 5 people have now tried this and
few others have it in there signature just hoping for
someone to fall into the "trap"

Show a little bit more respect and stop this BS

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I agree affiliate links in the WF are not permitted and they should be removed.

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Originally Posted by CarbonSix View Post

if it's so secret and they're making tons of money doing it, why on earth would they share it? :confused:
You know, I have heard guys on this forum and even my own family say this to me, and quite frankly, I am getting sick of it.

I had a friend who started an IM biz not so long ago and made a very good income, but people started to say to naysayers, Oh if he's sooo good at this or that then why would he share it or care about us.

So guess what, he got peeved off with all the negativity and pot shots at his character that he closed everything up and now he does what he does, and makes a pretty good living at it.

It was like he had a bullseye on his back.
Quite frankly, If I get to a 50k a day income.. I sure as hell aint gonna share it with anyone but close family and friends, because although I would love to help people get out of the A##Hole JOB and become free from the A##hole boss... I am not about to get bombarded by the people with scarcity thinking.
Just because you think like that, doesn't mean other people do!

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Moreover, why would you want an entire pool of NEWBIES looking to get rich quick, entering into the PPC space and driving up the bid prices or negotiating with the CPA networks and diluting the base of participants?
Certainly both will have a direct impact on profitability!
You know it's funny, I have always thought like this...
and guess what.. it kept me broke.
Then, once I dropped the scarcity thinking that there isn't enough to go around in this world, doors started to open.
Just my 2 cents.

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Loving this thread.

I always think "scarcity thinking" is a slight misnomer for what the real syndrome is. Correct me if I am wrong. It's more of a matter of playing on the right field IMO.

Scarcity thinking will stop you from thinking big - but I think a more important thing to do than simply "think big", is to apprehend that there are trillions of dollars floating around the world in transactions every day.

So even in times of "economic depression", we still have 6.4 billion people who need to eat every day, 1.4 billion people logging on to their computers every day (and growing by tens of thousands every day), millions of cars being sold, etc.

The reality is that there is no shortage of money, no shortage of deals waiting to be done.
Of course it is possible to do $100,000 in a day. There is more traffic for sale than you could ever buy.

By starting to play on the right field, you start to learn some of the rules of play in the big league. You never learn these rules unless you get out there on the field.

I always think that knowledge is more important than beliefs. The money is out there. The traffic is out there.

"If there is no door, it becomes necessary to break out through the wall."
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Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

I got this email in one of spam email accounts, (set up for those annoying squeeze pages that they force you to go through), and it said this:



So is it facebook apps? I'm confused. What's that got to do with ppc to cpa offers?
This sounds a lot like Alex Goad's affiliate payload.

- Insert backlink here -
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Originally Posted by pixguy View Post

You know, I have heard guys on this forum and even my own family say this to me, and quite frankly, I am getting sick of it.

I had a friend who started an IM biz not so long ago and made a very good income, but people started to say to naysayers, Oh if he's sooo good at this or that then why would he share it or care about us.

So guess what, he got peeved off with all the negativity and pot shots at his character that he closed everything up and now he does what he does, and makes a pretty good living at it.

It was like he had a bullseye on his back.
Quite frankly, If I get to a 50k a day income.. I sure as hell aint gonna share it with anyone but close family and friends, because although I would love to help people get out of the A##Hole JOB and become free from the A##hole boss... I am not about to get bombarded by the people with scarcity thinking.
That's pretty funny- people ask a perfectly logical question, why would someone making that kind of money share their secrets, and you accuse them of negativity and scarcity thinking. Nice.

(I love how anyone who does not blindly accept what someone says is accused of "scarcity thinking.")

Then you admit you would keep the secrets to yourself if you were the one making the big bucks.

Which is it?

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Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

That's pretty funny- people ask a perfectly logical question, why would someone making that kind of money share their secrets, and you accuse them of negativity and scarcity thinking. Nice.

(I love how anyone who does not blindly accept what someone says is accused of "scarcity thinking.")

Then you admit you would keep the secrets to yourself if you were the one making the big bucks.

Which is it?
Rather than spending time on a slinging match, which I have seen heaps of people do..
Lets spend time on something more productive shall we?

But If you want me to comment I will..

I don't think you were asking a logical question but you were giving an opinion based on the tone of your post. If this is not the case then I am wrong. I did not even comment on Aymens arbitrage program.. and I won't.. because I have not seen the program course, so I can not comment.
I did take issue with the comments not only by you but alot of other people online and offline wondering why people share their knowledge on making money when it would be ( In your opinion ) silly to do so as it would dilute the brew so to speak.
There is plenty for everyone.
and
I said I would not share it, because I am sick and tired of people jumping on others who want to share what they know only to be accused of having ulterior motives or selfish interests.
After reading posts like yours, why would I want to share what I know and have people on forums say to me that something smells fishy as why would I help others out, heaven forbid.

Anyway.. that is only my opinion.. may be right, may be wrong.. but isn't it good that we can be on the same team but have a difference of opinion.
Hmm, sounds like marriage..lol

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I really wish people here could understand what spam is. If you joined those lists, you are not being spammed. :rolleyes:
Good stuff Chris. On that basis I could join a list from a IM'er because I requested a free e-book on CPA and it would be ok for them to send me information about the price of grapes. Agreeing to be sent something specific, is not the same as agreeing to be sent unsolicited e-mails on anything a list owner decides they are going to promote from here to eternity, perhaps you can't grasp the difference.

That said, I suggest you read my comments, especially in my second post on the subject.
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What I found telling about the video and the call Tuesday evening is this: Everyone on the video and on the call is an IM Guru with a massive list. As far as I know not a single one of these guys make a living selling CPA offers. Not one of these guys have a blog where they offer advice for CPA marketers.

Now I am suppose to believe that the Guru Herd is suddenly excited about CPA Marketing when this business model has been out there for quite some time?

I believe that they are just excited about the fact that a "Real Life" CPA Marketing Master has a $2K product that they can promote to their list.

The only one of the group that I trust is Mark Joyner. On the call Joyner said that he'll test it and have some of his students test it and then will report back. Now that is a marketer I will listen to.
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You've got it in one...

The guy that has success with this (Aymen) knows that these little campaigns are SHORT TERM, they WILL become saturated. He is cashing out now, and will take with him anyone that makes a success of this onto his CPA network that he is starting.

Hardly anyone will make money with this $2,000 system. It is basically just a guide that says "PPC to CPA", with a few nuggets thrown in that they've picked up.

If you knew PPC already you would be making money. Seeing all these gurus in on this product promoting CPA is fun.
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I believe that they are just excited about the fact that a "Real Life" CPA Marketing Master has a $2K product that they can promote to their list.
It's exactly this and anybody who believes otherwise is naive.

They can't comment on whether the system works or not, because they don't truly have a clue, holding up one guy as an example who's made money from it , as we all all know is moot.

This guy is in far deeper than some PPC - CPA, he's building facebook apps, utilizing numerous traffic sources, has deep resources, and you can bet your bottom dollar the numbers bandied around if even true will not be the daily norm.

This may well be a half decent product who knows, but it's nothing revolutionary and there's no viable reason to sell information like this unless your looking to make a buck , and if your earning $100k a day , you don't need to waste time with creating this, dealing with the customer service etc that goes along with it.

People need to wake up and smell the roses, it's probably fine, but as usual 1% of the people who purchase it will make any money and even then it will take a long time to get even close to the numbers they are spouting if you're ever do. We know with every program that comes out the author has made good money but how many if any ever get close to doing the millions they say they made ?

Anybody who is selling this product on a commision basis, good luck to you but lets not pretend for a milli-second that your comments on it are anythiung other than entirely biased.

Once we have just a half dozen feedbacks from non affiliates who have applied the techniques and made a profit who are posting on this forum (not posters who suddently arrived with a 1 post count either) actual bonafide members, then we can take it seriously, until then it's hot air.
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Originally Posted by GerardWon View Post

I'm sure this is NOT a scam-- my dum grandma w/out a clue as to BH can make a fortune ... James S. >>yea rite !
My Grandma is dead.

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You hit the nail on the head, CPA networks are the "middlemen", working for a CPA network myself gave me that insight. They simply by traffic inventory and broker it to advertisers, and the margin is their profit. It's quite lucrative, but the key is support and communication with your advertisers and publishers. You see most affiliates could never deal with the big fortune companies, and command those ad budgets. Corporations allocate their budgets through agencies, who in turn deal with networks to get traction on their offers. Networks leverage their community of affiliates to broker traffic inventory...more and more networks are launching every month(mine is launching this month too...lol), but as always the marketplace will weed out the weak networks from the strong.
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It's exactly this and anybody who believes otherwise is naive.

They can't comment on whether the system works or not, because they don't truly have a clue, holding up one guy as an example who's made money from it , as we all all know is moot.

This guy is in far deeper than some PPC - CPA, he's building facebook apps, utilizing numerous traffic sources, has deep resources, and you can bet your bottom dollar the numbers bandied around if even true will not be the daily norm.

This may well be a half decent product who knows, but it's nothing revolutionary and there's no viable reason to sell information like this unless your looking to make a buck , and if your earning $100k a day , you don't need to waste time with creating this, dealing with the customer service etc that goes along with it.

People need to wake up and smell the roses, it's probably fine, but as usual 1% of the people who purchase it will make any money and even then it will take a long time to get even close to the numbers they are spouting if you're ever do. We know with every program that comes out the author has made good money but how many if any ever get close to doing the millions they say they made ?

Anybody who is selling this product on a commision basis, good luck to you but lets not pretend for a milli-second that your comments on it are anythiung other than entirely biased.

Once we have just a half dozen feedbacks from non affiliates who have applied the techniques and made a profit who are posting on this forum (not posters who suddently arrived with a 1 post count either) actual bonafide members, then we can take it seriously, until then it's hot air.


Bingo! Hyperbole is the name of the game here, while 50K-100K in daily volume is certainly achievable in CPA(worked for a CPA Network and seen pubs do sometimes $2 Million in monthly volume), it definitely is not the norm. I find it hard to believe that Aymen is doing that kind of volume EVERY day with CPA. This is about the product launch, and how much money the guru whores will make peddling the course to their lists. Not hating, but just calling it like I see it. You could go a long way in learning how to effectively work the PPC-CPA model, and not have to spend 2K to do it.
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What is left out in the hype-marketing is that the capital required to make $50k-$100k is about 4-5x of the net. In otherwords, you need $200k+ leverage to make the profit.

Most people don't have $200 daily to leverage more than $200k.

I'm sure everybody would be happy with even an extra $50-$100/day.

What sucks is this type of leverage is never mentioned in the A/C marketing. Only have I heard it personally from a friend who attended the LV event plus this one video:

@5:45.

This hype without mentioning the massive leverage required is deceitful marketing.

Also, where's all the "useful" information promised in the marketing/videos. All we've gotten is a CPA 101 pdf and an hour teleseminar with the gurus patronizing each other LOL
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I do not think this will cash out. Because what this method appears to involve, as with that of Carlos and Lupe Garcia, is in going to play with the big boys. In other words, not with other individual internet marketers. With corporations. Corps move traffic and money around on a scale that's mostly incomprehensible to individual marketers. There are billions of impressions that can be bought, and some of the big CPA products are being shifted by corporations with lead generation budgets that are so big that a few internet marketers messing around with puny $100k I/Os will hardly even cause a bump on their radar.

Seems Aymen has tapped into this and discovered that the goldfish bowl we're playing in is not the Atlantic ocean after all....

Am I wrong here?

Maybe if you buy into the course or whatever, you'll get the lowdown on stuff like how to get $100k of traffic on credit... etc... anyway in the phone interview tonight there was talk of how it's possible to start small and keep ploughing the returns back in, so as to be able to build up to those kinds of levels. If you spend your winnings every day, you won't get there, is what he seems to be saying.

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I read the report. I got excited. I want in. So I started thinking, what is the catch? And to me it comes down to two things.
1. How much money has to be spent/risked on PPC to get x number of conversions? Some of the earnings examples are astounding. How much traffic do you need to get those kind of conversions and what kind of conversion rate?
2. How difficult is it to be accepted by the CPA sites? What do you have to show?
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2. How difficult is it to be accepted by the CPA sites? What do you have to show?
It's very easy, but honestly this will be the least important issue by mile as regards making a ROI from PPC .
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In my opinion it is possible to make $50k or whatever
all we need is a solid financial backing and brains to make proper use of it.
we cannot start with say a $1k investment and dream to net $50k the next week.
This course is not for all and the price tag definitely supports my argument.
If you are able to get this course then you have the capability to get into the league so definitely you'll have the funds to execute what they teach in there and may be earn 500% more than what you do now.
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Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

Once we have just a half dozen feedbacks from non affiliates who have applied the techniques and made a profit who are posting on this forum (not posters who suddently arrived with a 1 post count either) actual bonafide members, then we can take it seriously, until then it's hot air.
You know that was exactly my point earlier on in this thread especially relating to the negativity.

Unless you know what is in the course and you have tested it how can anyone say it is crap?

I show screen shots of this technique working on one of my sales pages and I even did it with Google PPC. You CAN make Google PPC work. I often have single keywords making $100 plus per day.

I accept that many of the attendees and promoters who are flogging it hard have never touched CPA and are just being internet MARKETERS however some poeple like me have learned this material form this guy and it works.

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I got this email yesterday. There was no link to a competing product or even a link to the senders website. This was sent from a real guru who's word I trust.

Nick

Stay Away from The Arbitrage Conspiracy - Seriously

This is just a warning to steer far and clear from a promotion
going around the IM industry called The Arbitrage Conspiracy.

I used to be heavily involved in CPA marketing and arbitrage...
This is not an easy business, it used to be extremely profitable
for me. I was making over $200k some months.

I got out of it for a reason ... the reason is simple ... It's too
competitive. There are only a "finite" number of products that work
through this strategy and 10 times out of 10, the products that DO
work already have someone running arbitrage so then you have to
compete with that person which lowers your profit margin.

Multiply that times 3 - 5 people and you're having price wars for
pennies... Not worth the effort anymore. There are tools that you
can use to optimize your performance and locate areas of untapped
opportunity so be prepared for deep research before getting into
arbitrage.

Another issue is that you need a lump sum of cash to finance your
PPC costs for 30 - 60 days before you get paid by the major CPA
networks. Be prepared to have a significant sum of cash on hand to
bankroll your exploration and research. It will likely cost you a
good bit of money to discover areas of opportunity.

NOW ... with this guy releasing The Arbitrage Conspiracy it will
make matters worse. More competition, lower profit margins, etc.
When I was making good money with arbitrage back in 2005 - 2007,
nobody knew what I was doing and I didn't care to tell anyone about
it either. You have to immediately question why a person
"supposedly" making 100k per day would want to ruin it for
themselves for the peanuts they will receive from unsuspecting
IMers. My guess is that they came to the same conclusion I did ...
you could probably make more money selling information about
arbitrage than you could practicing it.

Now multiply that times the number of gurus promoting it and you
could get a fair idea of how quickly the release of this material
will ruin the industry.

This is just a heads up...
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I don't think AC is well suited for a rank beginner...but a rank beginner could grab the free pdf report, and make it work...cpa offer, adwords, domain names...keep the daily spend low until you get it working.

For those that know a little bit, this looks well like it's going to be the best thing to come in quite a long time.

Aymen said the avg person should be in profit in 40 days, and I think he was being very cautious when he said that.

He also offered $500 for anyone that buys, tries, applies, and fails...in addition to a full refund...

And if Brad Fallon and Mark Joyner give it a nod, it becomes the real deal for 99% of us. Their staking their reputation on it means it is hot, potent, profit gushing material.

But to be honest, a lot of people will struggle with this material, and that is why I am going to spend time each day with everyone...because they will need it, and when they have success, our relationship grows stronger.

Seems like common sense, right?

Help people and everything works out...

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And if Brad Fallon and Mark Joyner give it a nod, it becomes the real deal for 99% of us.
Not really no.

hot, potent, profit gushing material.
Spoken like a true salesman.
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I got this email yesterday. There was no link to a competing product or even a link to the senders website. This was sent from a real guru who's word I trust.

Nick

Stay Away from The Arbitrage Conspiracy - Seriously

This is just a warning to steer far and clear from a promotion
going around the IM industry called The Arbitrage Conspiracy.

I used to be heavily involved in CPA marketing and arbitrage...
This is not an easy business, it used to be extremely profitable
for me. I was making over $200k some months.

I got out of it for a reason ... the reason is simple ... It's too
competitive. There are only a "finite" number of products that work
through this strategy and 10 times out of 10, the products that DO
work already have someone running arbitrage so then you have to
compete with that person which lowers your profit margin.

Multiply that times 3 - 5 people and you're having price wars for
pennies... Not worth the effort anymore. There are tools that you
can use to optimize your performance and locate areas of untapped
opportunity so be prepared for deep research before getting into
arbitrage.

Another issue is that you need a lump sum of cash to finance your
PPC costs for 30 - 60 days before you get paid by the major CPA
networks. Be prepared to have a significant sum of cash on hand to
bankroll your exploration and research. It will likely cost you a
good bit of money to discover areas of opportunity.

NOW ... with this guy releasing The Arbitrage Conspiracy it will
make matters worse. More competition, lower profit margins, etc.
When I was making good money with arbitrage back in 2005 - 2007,
nobody knew what I was doing and I didn't care to tell anyone about
it either. You have to immediately question why a person
"supposedly" making 100k per day would want to ruin it for
themselves for the peanuts they will receive from unsuspecting
IMers. My guess is that they came to the same conclusion I did ...
you could probably make more money selling information about
arbitrage than you could practicing it.

Now multiply that times the number of gurus promoting it and you
could get a fair idea of how quickly the release of this material
will ruin the industry.

This is just a heads up...

I agree with some of that but not all of it.

Firstly:

How do you know Charles is not still in it? He already told you he would not tell people before... " I didn't care to tell anyone about it either"

( I am guessing he is not but you never know right).

Secondly:

Perhaps he just does better at SEO and social media than PPC or perhaps he has a personal liking to it. He is very good at SEO.


Regarding cash flow.

If you test methodically you can kill losing campaigns fast and when you find a winner ramp it up. Create the landing page and build up the campaign as quickly as you can.

Many marketers will use a credit card like Amex to get an interest free period.

I agree with the video a few posts up that this is NOT for everyone and it is not a get rich quick scheme.


Something he does not mention is that you are not required to go with any CPA firm if you don't want. Once you learn arbitrage you can deal direct with companies who want leads if you desire. I do this.

Negotiate your own lead generation deals with anyone you want. There are so many businesses out tehre right now starving for more clients and if you can get traffic then you can sell leads to them directly.

It is just not possible that the internet or the business community is saturated. That is baloney.

Here is an idea.

Buy traffic >> Landing Page >> Squeeze email >> sell to a business.

Pretty basic right.

Sell leads to car dealers, sell leads to boat brokers, sell leads to education companies etc....


The core methods such as market research, keyword research, landing page tweaking, optimizing the deals and fine tuning the campaigns are good skills to have for most IM business models that rely on attaining an action of any type.

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It's important we all have our opinions, and if you are uncomfortable with AC, there's no need to get involved.

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Not really no.



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It's important we all have our opinions, and if you are uncomfortable with AC, there's no need to get involved.
I have no idea whether I will or won't be uncomfortable with it, I won't be spouting superlatives about it to increase my bottom line however. Contributions made to this thread that oppose the ra-ra nature of some are probably a useful counter balance at this point, certainly until we have any feedback from those not looking to line their own pockets with it's launch.

What does amuse me however is that here is a product apparently raking in $100,000 every 24 hours for those following it and yet it's affiliates who are apparently following it or should be to be lavishing praise on it, are wasting their time trying to push it for tiny commisions compared to the $100k a day they could be earning following it's "hot, potent, profit gushing material. "

Rather strange really, infact if it's as good as you and others say it is, what are you doing wasting time on here trying to drag a pitiful few visitors to a review when you could instead be following this amazing program and raking in tens of thousands of USD daily.

There's no malice intended here, I'm simply a fan of removing BS and Hype from a discussion and focussing on some realities.
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Simon,

If you watch the videos of the folks that were in Vegas, they are busy implementing techniques as fast as they can...and having the ability to recommend something that positively changes lives...well, that's good for any reputation.

Personally, I am here because I am waiting for the doors to open, watching every video I can find, learning all I can about this stuff. I already have cpa offers up and running, and making some profits already...and very eager to see what it is exactly that gets some of the most respected millionaires excited.

It tells me there is a gold mine of valuable knowledge in this package, and to see folks like Rhea Perry and Drew Kossoff sitting on the edge of their chair with excitement, it tells me everything I need to know.

I know it is a fine line that separates hype and fantastic success, and right now, I think it is the excitement of knowing this is do-able for everyone reading this thread...it is just extremely exciting.

What really gets me excited is getting a glowing testimonial, and if I can get a few of those from the study group I am running, it will pay more than all the money in the world, at least for me.



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I have no idea whether I will or won't be uncomfortable with it, I won't be spouting superlatives about it to increase my bottom line however. Contributions made to this thread that oppose the ra-ra nature of some are probably a useful counter balance at this point, certainly until we have any feedback from those not looking to line their own pockets with it's launch.

What does amuse me however is that here is a product apparently raking in $100,000 every 24 hours for those following it and yet it's affiliates who are apparently following it or should be to be lavishing praise on it, are wasting their time trying to push it for tiny commisions compared to the $100k a day they could be earning following it's "hot, potent, profit gushing material. "

Rather strange really, infact if it's as good as you and others say it is, what are you doing wasting time on here trying to drag a pitiful few visitors to a review when you could instead be following this amazing program and raking in tens of thousands of USD daily.

There's no malice intended here, I'm simply a fan of removing BS and Hype from a discussion and focussing on some realities.

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This thing is so much hype its really unbelievable and don't think it makes the gurus look good. I understand a need to use some amount of hype in promotions but this one is just too much in my opinion. To use ppc and make a good amount of money you need some investment. There is no free lunch in anything and IM takes work and money. A lot of money can be made on the internet but it doesn't fall out of the sky. I'm personally spending about 30k this month on ppc.

I got the report and as someone already said there is hardly any real meat in there. The information is so basic anyone with some knowledge of what CPA even is would already know everything in the report. I thought it was a joke. Its really just a sales piece probably aimed at people who are just starting out in IM and don't know anything. I would guess that is there target market.

However, I do not think this would be a good product for a beginner. A beginner would be better off just buying Reese's traffic secrets to get a good overview of how getting traffic works.

It looks to me like stompernet is behind it. Anyone know for sure? Saying that since Fallon is the spokesperson for it and I almost wonder if they don't want to use their name, because they just recently did a launch for their magazine and had a lot of customer support problems. You can find the threads on it here. It was a good product, but they had problems shipping it overseas and bad response to customer emails. Ed Dale talked about it in one of his recent shows.

I found a post by someone claiming to be an affiliate for this product saying it is going to be around 2k, will be tapes of the secret guru seminar they paid 10k for - a good way to hype up the product - and some works books. Probably some bonuses I'm sure too. But main component sounds like videos of the seminar.

It's interesting to watch the launch of this though. Very quick and fast if it is happening as soon as this affiliates claimed - today. If I saw the whole thing then the whole launch was nothing buy fallon video, the "report" sales letter hype, and some testimonials. Very little content or "free line" stuff that usually is used in these things. The whole pitch is really that the gurus were there so it must be good.

Very little has been revealed in their sales process and very little real content has been given. It's not like the launch Eban Pagan is currently doing for get altitude or we've seen from Walker, Kern etc....much more content in those that I think makes it non-hyped up and better for the customers.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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Isn't this thing going live today ?
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Isn't this thing going live today ?
I read something an an affiliates blog saying it was. And that they were just going to sell 500 copies for around 2k a copy.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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I think the guy masterminding this thing is Yanik Silver...and Brad is a very professional figurehead, super organized business guy, so he's ideal for doing the head shots...
and if you watch the beginning and end of the promo video...that is definitely the hand of Andy Jenkins...so they are tightly involved.

I am really impressed with how the Stomper guys made good on their magazine launch fiasco...they basically carpet bombed a small reproduction company, and it imploded...

But they sent extra products, and have been very good at making up for everything...I am very happy with them, and impressed how they managed to repair a very big problem.

The product will be more than a video tape of Vegas...there is software involved, and 12 weeks of coaching...a real "guru making" program.

I agree about the rank beginners...they should go get some experience with getting free traffic, and ppc traffic, and understanding how money is made online.

Once the basics are down, this program will do a lot of good for ramping things up another notch or two.


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This thing is so much hype its really unbelievable and don't think it makes the gurus look good. I understand a need to use some amount of hype in promotions but this one is just too much in my opinion. To use ppc and make a good amount of money you need some investment. There is no free lunch in anything and IM takes work and money. A lot of money can be made on the internet but it doesn't fall out of the sky. I'm personally spending about 30k this month on ppc.

I do not think this would be a good product for a beginner. A beginner would be better off just buying Reese's traffic secrets to get a good overview of how getting traffic works.

It looks to me like stompernet is behind it. Anyone know for sure? Saying that since Fallon is the spokesperson for it and I almost wonder if they don't want to use their name, because they just recently did a launch for their magazine and had a lot of customer support problems. You can find the threads on it here. It was a good product, but they had problems shipping it overseas and bad response to customer emails. Ed Dale talked about it in one of his recent shows.

I found a post by someone claiming to be an affiliate for this product saying it is going to be around 2k, will be tapes of the secret guru seminar they paid 10k for - a good way to hype up the product - and some works books. Probably some bonuses I'm sure too. But main component sounds like videos of the seminar.

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PPC, PPV, Facebook apps, banner ads, CPA... sounds like a more expensive combo of Traffic Secrets and Affiliate Payload. I'll pass.

Side note: has this Aymen feller shown proof of income? I'm not doubting that it can be done, I'm just curious. Surely you're not expected to take the word of the "gurus"... you know, the same ones promoting the product.
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Keegahn,

Brad said there will be a mountain of proof in the salesletter....we'll see.

And 500 copies? I have no clue about that. I sure hope it's more than that, otherwise many will be frustrated.

The launch is supposed to be noon eastern today...and the link to the early access is on my bonus page.

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PPC, PPV, Facebook apps, banner ads, CPA... sounds like a more expensive combo of Traffic Secrets and Affiliate Payload. I'll pass.

Side note: has this Aymen feller shown proof of income? I'm not doubting that it can be done, I'm just curious. Surely you're not expected to take the word of the "gurus"... you know, the same ones promoting the product.

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I have been reading through this thread and one thing has picked my attention: those who are rabidly defending Arbitrage Conspiracy (such as Templar or James Schramko) do also feature a "buy Arbitrage Conspiracy through my link and get super-dooper bonus" line on their signature.

An affiliate speaking wonders of a product is a biased opinion. I'd like to hear praises from people WITHOUT affiliate interests on Arbitrage Conspiracy for a change.
Well that would be hard for someone to do since no one has bought the product yet. All we have to go by is the information they have given on the launch, and besides testimonials from gurus there is very little of that.

I'm watching it out of curiosity now. Curious if this will be a big successful launch, because it seems to me like a very quick launch and one devoid of good pre-content going into it - information that educates the potential customer, makes them think they can do it, "free line" stuff - which I think is important to have to do a big launch. In this one it is really just based on the testimonial and fact that these guys are gurus that is the drawing card to make you buy. These are big names who paid 10k so you can pay 2k or whatever. These two guys making millions. You can make millions. So to me that is all hype. Compare it to Kern's mass control launch in january or jeff walker and you can see a big difference. So I'm curious how big this will be. Maybe what they have given so far is enough to make this a big launch. Reese didn't do a huge amount of content going into his launch for traffic secrets either. Just two videos. But they at least laid out what you were going to get. Showed you the product.

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I find it far fetched that so many top gurus would all risk their reputations by lying about this product. Maybe a few of them, but so many of them together saying the same thing leads me to believe there is something to it. Eben Pagan always struck me as an honest guy, and if he says he was blown away by it, along with 10s of other legit guys, there is probably something to it. So we clearly haven't seen the techniques Aymen showed the people at the $10k conference. Admittedly, the top secret report thing probably created false hopes about what it would reveal. But that doesn't mean the actual course won't be impressive.

I heard the call last night myself, and Aymen is offering a full money back guarantee plus $500 extra to people who aren't satisfied. That's a pretty confident guarantee.

Maybe people should at least wait and see what is being taught before they make such quick judgments.

I guess we'll find out if it's the real deal soon enough.
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I find it far fetched that so many top gurus would all risk their reputations by lying about this product. Maybe a few of them, but so many of them together saying the same thing leads me to believe there is something to it. Eben Pagan always struck me as an honest guy, and if he says he was blown away by it, along with 10s of other legit guys, there is probably something to it. So we clearly haven't seen the techniques Aymen showed the people at the $10k conference. Admittedly, the top secret report thing probably created false hopes about what it would reveal. But that doesn't mean the actual course won't be impressive.

I heard the call last night myself, and Aymen is offering a full money back guarantee plus $500 extra to people who aren't satisfied. That's a pretty confident guarantee.

Maybe people should at least wait and see what is being taught before they make such quick judgments.

I guess we'll find out if it's the real deal soon enough.
When I say I think it is hype I don't mean the product is a lie or the gurus are lying - I'm talking about how they are presenting the product and trying to sell it. It may be a good product. I have no idea and I'm not really interested in CPA stuff anyway. I'm just more curious about the launch process they are using to sell it and watching that and trying to learn from it - see what works or doesn't.

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I heard the call last night myself, and Aymen is offering a full money back guarantee plus $500 extra to people who aren't satisfied. That's a pretty confident guarantee.

Maybe people should at least wait and see what is being taught before they make such quick judgments....
Finally someone who gets it.

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I've seen quite a few people question why he would reveal his techniques if he is making so much money. Thinking like that, there wouldn't any many Internet marketing products at all. All they do is create more competition for the product creator.

So if you question Aymen, you should likewise question every single Internet marketer who ever released a product claiming to teach things not commonly known about how to make money online.

Just because some of us are selfish and wouldn't share successful techniques we learn with others doesn't mean everyone is the same way.
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I have been reading through this thread and one thing has picked my attention: those who are rabidly defending Arbitrage Conspiracy (such as Templar or James Schramko) do also feature a "buy Arbitrage Conspiracy through my link and get super-dooper bonus" line on their signature.

An affiliate speaking wonders of a product is a biased opinion. I'd like to hear praises from people WITHOUT affiliate interests on Arbitrage Conspiracy for a change.
Anyone who thinks it is good is also probably going to be an affiliate.

Let me ask you this.

If you knew Aymen, he trained you and you were able to make four figure profit days with his information would you promote his product?




Of course I am biased. Because this stuff works.....

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That's not negative- it's the logical question to be asked about this, but hardly anyone asks.

If they make $1 million from their launch, that's only 10 days worth of what they are already supposedly making, so why go to the trouble of creating a product that will just create more competition for them?

A straight answer to that would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.
From everything I've seen The Arbitrage Conspiracy is going to be a platform to launch their own CPA Network...

This would allow for possibly more money to be made with a lot less work, especially if they have a large number of followers.

Just think about it. They're essentially going to be teaching qualified individuals (people with money and time commitment) how to do what they're doing.

Saturation? Maybe... But since the product looks like it's going to be high ticket it will limited. There's lots of room.

Theoretical Timeline:

1. 100K Per Day Seminar Las Vegas to recruit big time JV IM Gurus
2. HUGE pre-launch activity of The Arbitrage Conspiracy by those JVs
3. Launch of The Arbitrage Conspiracy
4. Training of their army
5. Success of their army
6. Pre-launch activity promoting their CPA network (The Arbitrage Conspiracy lists, JV lists, seminars, teleseminars...)
7. HUGE launch of CPA network (bonuses, incentives, etc...)

What do you think?
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I've seen quite a few people question why he would reveal his techniques if he is making so much money. Thinking like that, there wouldn't any many Internet marketing products at all. All they do is create more competition for the product creator.

So if you question Aymen, you should likewise question every single Internet marketer who ever released a product claiming to teach things not commonly known about how to make money online.

Just because some of us are selfish and wouldn't share successful techniques we learn with others doesn't mean everyone is the same way.
(Where have you been hiding?)

You are correct!!!

He is so humble and giving.

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From everything I've seen The Arbitrage Conspiracy is going to be a platform to launch their own CPA Network...


What do you think?
Aymen has clearly disclosed in public that he IS building a CPA network and he is training people to use it and he will offer them deals.

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Hi everyone,

I've been reading posts on this forum since I first started in internet marketing back in 2003. As you can see, I haven't been active in posting (even when I became a member)...but this whole Arbitrage Conspiracy report has made me want to come out and say something.

Here's why: I use to be on many of the "gurus" lists, but I got tired of getting emails from all of them everytime the "next big thing" comes out. I was on so many lists that eventually it was easier to change my email address instead of opting out of all of them. Anyway, I am subscribed to about three or four lists now from internet marketers that give very valuable information and when the other "gurus" all start promoting something at one time, I never receive anything about it from the guys that I am subcribed to now (that is a good thing). I appreciate that because it means that these guys are not just out to get my money by trying to convince me to buy everything that comes out.

So you can imagine how suprised I was when I started to receive several emails promoting the Arbitrage Conspiracy from the internet marketers whos opinions I really value. Being that these guys never jump on the bandwagon like everyone else, I said to myself that there has to be something good about this Arbitrage stuff. So, I went to the opt-in page, listened to some more hyped up videos about the free report, and downloaded it.

I was VERY disappointed in what I read because I didn't learn anything that I hadn't already heard before. I couldn't believe that all these very successful internet marketers where hyping up such general information.

That said, I can see where new internet marketers or those who have never heard of CPA could benefit from the report. It should have been an eye opener for them, but for majority of us, especially the "gurus", I just didn't understand all the hype.

Because the program is recommended by trusted marketers I went ahead and called in on the conference call last night, and I fell asleep about 45 minutes into it (around the time that he announced Mark Joyner). I woke up around the time that it was almost over, and when it was over I looked at my cell phone and it said 117 minutes. If the rest of the time was like the first 45 minutes then I probably didn't miss much because there was no good "golden nugget" of information given during the time that I was listening.

This usually doesn't bother me when it comes to conference calls, but the call was so hyped up (even more so than the report) to the point that I actually thought I was going to learn something. I had a pen and paper ready, but nothing to write!

So far I'm not impressed, although I do believe that the actually program will be worth the couple thousand that people are saying it will go for. After doing some research and listing to James' MP3, this Aymen guy does seem to be an honest person. The problem is that I think that the only people who will benefit from it are the ones who are already making thousands a day (not as much as Aymen, but a few thousand).

I believe that all of the internet marketing allstars who went to Vegas are excited about it because they know that they can afford to implement the techniques because they have the high budget to do so. They are excited because most of them have already become very successful in what they are already doing, so they have the time to learn something new.

To all the newbies out there, don't jump on this program just because all of the popular internet marketers are promoting it. Remember that they can afford to do these strategies. It takes time and money to start any PPC campaign and if you're not careful you can go broke fast.

Also, if you haven't mastered the basics of internet marketing, then master it first before you go and try something new (especially when dealing with PPC, because they can be a hell of a roller coaster ride financially). If you have mastered what you are already doing and you have the thousands of dollars to spend on trying this new strategy, then by all means go for it.

Personally, I'm not interested at all...but that's just me.

That's just my 2 cents.
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I think you bring up a good point...it is dead simple to spend a lot of money in pcc and not make a dime...

Aymen even said he was losing money fast in the beginning.

And part of his offer was to show everyone how to get into profit fast, and cut loses quickly...

I think that will be a very valuable part of the training, since a lot of people can't make a profit with ppc.


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Hi everyone,
To all the newbies out there, don't jump on this program just because all of the popular internet marketers are promoting it. Remember that they can afford to do these strategies. It takes time and money to start any PPC campaign and if you're not careful you can go broke fast.

Also, if you haven't mastered the basics of internet marketing, then master it first before you go and try something new (especially when dealing with PPC, because they can be a hell of a roller coaster ride financially). If you have mastered what you are already doing and you have the thousands of dollars to spend on trying this new strategy, then by all means go for it.

Personally, I'm not interested at all...but that's just me.

That's just my 2 cents.

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Queenv,

I also don't think this is for newbies well pointed out.

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Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

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I also don't think this is for newbies well pointed out.
Its actually being Marketed stating no list or website required?

Sounds like they are pushing it on newbies to me...

That's why people bash there marketing, not the product.

Who is considered a newbie and who is not?

If its NOT for newbies, then qualify who you sell it too instead of letting anyone buy it. And Exclusivity will make people desire it more...
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I agree...it is a double edged message.

I think a newbie could get through it, with a little help from someone...

That's why I offer daily help with this particular product...it's about the most powerful thing, next to the product itself.

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Its actually being Marketed stating no list or website required?

Sounds like they are pushing it on newbies to me...

That's why people bash there marketing, not the product.

Who is considered a newbie and who is not?

If its NOT for newbies, then qualify who you sell it too instead of letting anyone buy it. And Exclusivity will make people desire it more...

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