The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

MaskedMarketer · 12th Dec 2008, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by templar

Somewhere on a previous page, you mentioned something that makes me think you are making a crapload of cash, and if that is true, you absolutely do not need to buy arbitrage conspiracy...and frankly, it confuses me why you are so active in this thread.

No one is confused why you are here. You're just pushing products.

Simon is an active member of this forum (CPA). He doesn't just come here to promote his product and make money

Originally Posted by templar

AC is only for folks that are not yet making $10k/day online.

LOL- what a narrow category that is...

That's like saying - AC is only for folks who have internet access

Lance K · 12th Dec 2008, 10:30 AM

From their Terms and Conditions...

SUBSCRIPTION TERMS
Use of the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite requires the payment of a monthly subscription service. Each user agrees to pay to Iron Empire Holding, LLC a monthly subscription fee, in advance, via Pay Pal, credit card or other method from time to time established by Iron Empire Holding, LLC , for each month’s use of the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite.

I didn't see anything about that on the sales letter or hear anyone talk about that during the launch. Anybody know anything about it?

I thought maybe it was in there for the people on the 3 payment plan. I've emailed them for clarification.

templar · 12th Dec 2008, 11:21 AM

Looking at the terms and conditions, it looks like they copy and pasted their website and company into a stock legal form.

I am very good at finding small print in the order process, and there was none to be found in this purchase, although I was expecting an upsell.

We will all be very interested to hear how they respond.

Originally Posted by Lance K

From their Terms and Conditions...
I didn't see anything about that on the sales letter or hear anyone talk about that during the launch. Anybody know anything about it?

I thought maybe it was in there for the people on the 3 payment plan. I've emailed them for clarification.

M3C · 12th Dec 2008, 11:41 AM

Any refund policy that states you can not be refunded until 12 weeks later isn't ethical as far as I am concerned. You may well decide early on that the material is simply not good enough, but you then have to wait 3 months for a refund ?? Any refund policy that says "Monthly subscription fees are not refundable for any reason." is not ethical and quite possibly not even legal.

To Templar, I'll be active in any thread about a product in an area I'm interested in and as I've said before where I see BS & Hype blended with so called "reviews" from affiliates trying to hawk products I will when I see fit, lay some counter balance to a discussion.

MaskedMarketer · 12th Dec 2008, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Any refund policy that states you can not be refunded until 12 weeks later isn't ethical as far as I am concerned. Any refund policy that says "Monthly subscription fees are not refundable for any reason." is not ethical and quite possibly not even legal.

It may not be ethical to buy the course and return it one week later after you've only rec. 1 module. That spot could have been for someone else.

They want serious people and thats understandable. If you can't afford to fork over 2k over 12 weeks, then its not for you.

I don't see as it being unethical if they clearly state the conditions.

You do have the option not to buy and like you said, its not for you.

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Is there even a monthly fee?

M3C · 12th Dec 2008, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

It may not be ethical to buy the course and return it one week later after you've only rec. 1 module. That spot could have been for someone else.

They want serious people and thats understandable. If you can't afford to fork over 2k over 12 weeks, then its not for you.

I don't see as it being unethical if they clearly state the conditions.

You do have the option not to buy and like you said, its not for you.

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Is there even a monthly fee?

This whole "if you can't afford it " thing is getting decidely lame.

And there is nothing unethical about returning a product if you feel it's not up to scratch, what is unethical is to hold on to somebody's money for 3 months.

I believe it's not a monthly fee but a payment plan people are referring to.

M3C · 12th Dec 2008, 12:00 PM

C'mon AC folks, must be hundreds of you by now, not a single piece of feedback from a non affiliate yet apart from some guy who ordered but hasn't received the product yet.

Let's have some feedback guys...

MaskedMarketer · 12th Dec 2008, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

This whole "if you can't afford it " thing is getting decidely lame.

And there is nothing unethical about returning a product if you feel it's not up to scratch, what is unethical is to hold on to somebody's money for 3 months.

I believe it's not a monthly fee but a payment plan people are referring to.

Simon,

Its an expensive product. The fact remains its not for everyone, because they can't afford the product and to test. It costs money. Its reality.

So, if you purchase a 12 week course (knowing what it is) you think its ethical to buy a spot and return it in 1 week? I don't think thats ethical.

You said, "there is nothing unethical about returning a product if you feel it's not up to scratch" - And You're right as I agree.

Problem is , Simon, you DO NOT get the FULL product until its 12 weeks as its a course, not a simple ebook.

Whats unethical about ASKING someone to try it out for all 12 weeks (try the entire product) and then get the refund. If it doesn't fit you, that doesn't mean its a bad concept.

Absolutely nothing unethical about doing a 12 week program. You realize a lot of people dont even finish what they start? They do too..

Its not ethical because you KNOW what you're buying and you didn't even get the full course yet! If you don't review the whole course, you have no right to say its good OR bad.

You really can't judge the whole course when you only have half of the program. I don't think that's ethical. people will be tempted by the marketing, but this course isnt for the everyday person.

That's why you have choiceto buy or not buy.

It may or may not fit you.

You can't please all people all the time.

Its the nature of when selling stuff..

Rykel · 12th Dec 2008, 12:13 PM

When applying for new accounts with the CPA networks they require you to have a website up. If I am using PPC for traffic, what kind of website do I need to have up? Can it be an Under Construction page? I assume they're just looking for legitimacy, but since I'm not using a website for traffic, does it really matter what domain I'm using and what the content is on the site? Any help here appreciated.

MaskedMarketer · 12th Dec 2008, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Work Plus Faith

Agreed. If someone wants out, they should have the option. You get the product, you decide it isn't your cup of tea, yet you have to continue paying for two additional months before you can get a refund?! That's a horrible money back policy.

Tim

That doesn't mean its not ethical..

That's the HUGE problem with "IM"...

People jump from one big thing to the next..

And these guys know that. They know people don't finish what they start.

They know people jump from program to program.

And thats why you have choices.

M3C · 12th Dec 2008, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

Simon,

So, if you purchase a 12 week course (knowing what it is) you think its ethical to buy a spot and return it in 1 week? I don't think thats ethical.

You said, "there is nothing unethical about returning a product if you feel it's not up to scratch" - And You're right as I agree.

Problem is , Simon, you DO NOT get the FULL product until its 12 weeks as its a course, not a simple ebook.

Whats unethical about ASKING someone to try it out for all 12 weeks (try the entire product) and then get the refund. If it doesn't fit you, that doesn't mean its a bad concept.

Absolutely nothing unethical about doing a 12 week program. You realize a lot of people dont even finish what they start? They do too..

Its not ethical because you KNOW what you're buying and you didn't even get the full course yet! If you don't review the whole course, you have no right to say its good OR bad.

You really can't judge the whole course when you only have half of the program. I don't think that's ethical. people will be tempted by the marketing, but this course isnt for the everyday person.

That's why you have choiceto buy or not buy.

It may or may not fit you.

You can't please all people all the time.

Its the nature of when selling stuff..

We will have to just agree to disagree on what is an ethical refund policy and what is not. I'm more than capable of determing if content is of a sufficent quality immmediately, I don't need 12 weeks of drip feeding to make that decision. If it's crap from day 1 it's crap and nobody should be held ransom for 3 months on funds, that is my opinion.

M3C · 12th Dec 2008, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Rykel

When applying for new accounts with the CPA networks they require you to have a website up. If I am using PPC for traffic, what kind of website do I need to have up? Can it be an Under Construction page? I assume they're just looking for legitimacy, but since I'm not using a website for traffic, does it really matter what domain I'm using and what the content is on the site? Any help here appreciated.

You don't need any site up if your a PPC guy. Just let them know in the additional comments section that you use Search to drive traffic. They will want to speak to you but just give them a call and explain you're not driving traffic via a site, and all will be fine.

I'm in 50+ networks and don't have a website at all, no requirement for one.

Lance K · 12th Dec 2008, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

C'mon AC folks, must be hundreds of you by now, not a single piece of feedback from a non affiliate yet apart from some guy who ordered but hasn't received the product yet.

Let's have some feedback guys...

Simon, nobody's recieved anything yet.

The first module is set to be open on Monnday for everyone.

I'll for sure post feedback. And I won't be afraid to be honest.

MaskedMarketer · 12th Dec 2008, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

We will have to just agree to disagree on what is an ethical refund policy and what is not. I'm more than capable of determing if content is of a sufficent quality immmediately, I don't need 12 weeks of drip feeding to make that decision. If it's crap from day 1 it's crap and nobody should be held ransom for 3 months on funds, that is my opinion.

Simon,

Do you think companies who offer no money back are "uneithical?"

I could only considered it unethical if it was a lie.

And to say drip feed over 12 weeks is only a perception.

Some people will LOVE to be in the 12 program.

You do realize people suffer from Information Overload? Its actually a BIG problem in the US.

I don't know what comes with it for 12 weeks, but I better get coaching/consulting with it.

There are people on both sides of the fence. I'm not promoting it, nor am I buying it, just imo.

The only thing that matters to me is results. Will the clients get results in 12 weeks? And, if not, did they get there money back?

The outcome is all that matters

MaskedMarketer · 12th Dec 2008, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Lance K

Simon, nobody's recieved anything yet.

The first module is set to be open on Monnday for everyone.

I'll for sure post feedback. And I won't be afraid to be honest.

Work that system hard, Lance...

So when you come back you'll be on your way to riches...

Or we can blame them that there system sucks..

Good Luck!

M3C · 12th Dec 2008, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Lance K

Simon, nobody's recieved anything yet.

The first module is set to be open on Monnday for everyone.

I'll for sure post feedback. And I won't be afraid to be honest.

Good stuff Lance, keep us posted.

M3C · 12th Dec 2008, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

Simon,

Do you think companies who offer no money back are "uneithical?"

I could only considered it unethical if it was a lie.

And to say drip feed over 12 weeks is only a perception.

Some people will LOVE to be in the 12 program.

You do realize people suffer from Information Overload? Its actually a BIG problem in the US.

I don't know what comes with it for 12 weeks, but I better get coaching/consulting with it.

There are people on both sides of the fence. I'm not promoting it, nor am I buying it, just imo.

The only thing that matters to me is results. Will the clients get results in 12 weeks? And, if not, did they get there money back?

The outcome is all that matters

All this is old news and frankly moot, the point made is very simple, and I've said twice now if you cant' understand why that refund policy is not what I consider ethical then never the twain shall meet, agree to disagree means just that.

MaskedMarketer · 12th Dec 2008, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

All this is old news and frankly moot, the point made is very simple, and I've said twice now if you cant' understand why that refund policy is not what I consider ethical then never the twain shall meet, agree to disagree means just that.

I find you interesting that you say its unethical, that's all

I apologize as I don't understand how being honest is being unethical

I see a trend in people using that word all over wanted to see the meaning behind it

Thanks and good luck with CPA

nofearman · 12th Dec 2008, 02:55 PM

I smell "plug" from an affiliate below. Would like to hear some "objective" feedback on this program. Seems EVERY Guru is selling a $1999 product, I am overwhelmed with offers almost daily. How can anyone possible decide what to invest in. All these programs have the same "boilerplate" hype..???

Originally Posted by James Schramko

CC is a credit card.

Aymens Blueprint totally rocks. He is a true genius and his material is based on the results fo millions of dollars of testing and getting it wrong before it went right.

I am not sure if I have ever met a more inspiring person.

nofearman · 12th Dec 2008, 03:01 PM

Yeah right! We'll all see as the data come sin on who did NOT get a refund, about the nightmares of trying to get a refund and no responses??? Let's just sit back and wait, all your BS below is well just BS right now. I've seen so many times where these guys either do NOT honor the refunds or make it very difficult and/or are very slow to repond. I was considering Rick Schefren's course until I read in forums, including this one that people were having a hard time getting a refund. Even saw postings of Attorney General mentioned.

Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

I still get my 2k investment back, whats your point?

Always trying to twist it in your favor... LOL

Who ever is complaining about spending money on real education shouldn't be in this business. I don't know what they are charging nor do I care.

You can't BS a BS'er , ain't gonna work.

SEORundown · 12th Dec 2008, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

Whats your agenda?

A 100% Money-Back Guarantee #1!
After you complete this 12 week training course, if you don't feel it was worth every single penny and more of your under $2,000 investment, I will refund every give you all your money back with absolutely no strings attached.

Unless there is fine print I'm missing, I can rec. a refund after the course is over. All that BS you mentioned is to get the 500$ extra, LOL

Nice plug. Dude is trying to capitalize of the leads thats why he says DONT BUY IT- (just sign up to my list) LOL...

That "free" report is going to have paid products attached to it.

I'll believe it when I see it..

PPC,

Its pretty obvious hes just collecting leads and piggy backing off this product launch, lol. No one can review it until after 12 weeks or else you haven't seen the course yet, lol...

Great strategy, I'm not knocking it, but everyone has an agenda.

Just tired of all the hype and BS as a most..

SeoRundown,

I am not plugging anything. I am promoting Jerry West because he is a straight shooter. His newsletter has no affiliate links and does not push products. It is a free subscription and I am a loyal member who thinks what he says has some great value. As for me I do not think that this product would go very far without the 40% commission for the vulture's. If any affiliate has used this product and had great success I would love to hear about it. However unless you were in las vegas to find out about there campaign tactics it would be hard to have had success since this product is not out yet. If they are providing a refund after 12 weeks I give them props. Escpecially for giving an extra five hundred, but it is a good thing they make so much money because they will need it will all the refunds.

nickdeni · 12th Dec 2008, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by jimrpips

Well, I bought the course last night.

So far, I got a receipt and a seperate email that says there will be material available on Monday the 15th.

If these guys can take me by the hand and teach me how to consistently put $1k into my pocket every day, I'm a super happy camper with a new business model (I retail in a niche very hard hit by the downturn right now).

I work really hard, and I'm not stupid, but I am one of those people that needs to be taken by the hand and walked through the basics and the intermediary and up to super level. I've spent a lot of money on PPC in the last five years and while I'm making money, I'm not happy with my margin. I know I can do better but frankly I just don't have the time, money or energy to learn through mistakes any more. I need someone to teach me not to make the stupid mistakes in the first place.

Someone talked about information overload? Brother, that's me. Just show me exactly what to do, I'm all over it.

If they can't teach me in 12 weeks enough to get not just my 2K back, but a little something for my hard work on top of it, I will get a refund, either through them or through my credit card company, I don't care which.

I'll be happy to post progress reports if anyone is interested.

I'm really amazed at how vocal everyone is, especially considering nobody (including me) has actually seen the material yet. But like I said, it will either help me out or I'll get my money back.

I haven't received a seperate email stating there will be material avaiable on Monday. When did you recieve notification of this?

Has anyone else recieved the second email?

deep · 12th Dec 2008, 04:02 PM

Well...I bought the course too last night.

I was referred to the .html page that had my order receipt with a button on the bottom - "Continue Shopping" which lead to the salesletter again and that was it.

After that I got zero emails from them.

I posted on their blog (it was held in moderation...and deleted later) and emailed them...nothing...no replies.

For a $1997 purchase I would appreciate at least a confirmation email that I'm in and when I will get the product.

I also had to go to my bank today to get one of the charges reversed because the double charged my card.

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nobodyspecial · 12th Dec 2008, 04:29 PM

You might want to check your spam/junk folder. If you didn't a confirmation email you might not get updates/login information.

Here's the generic, post-purchase email sent out by the S/C:

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Thank you for your purchase of the
Arbitrage Conspiracy!

You are in for an exciting 12 weeks!
So get ready... it all begins next
Monday (December 15, 2008)!

As you read this, we are loading up the
membership site with a TON of amazing
"get you started NOW" content!

Watch your email over the next few days
as we will be sending you more updates.

If you were one of the first to buy,
we will notify you A.S.A.P to let
you know if you qualified for
the fast mover bonuses (this will
take a few days, so please be patient).

Now...get ready to join the Conspiracy
yourself...and make 2009 the biggest
year ever!

Sincerely,

Aymen & The Arbitrage Conspiracy Support Team

======================
anyhow, we'll be in skiing in St. Mortiz for the next two weeks so I'll play catch up after I'm done

nickdeni · 12th Dec 2008, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

You might want to check your spam/junk folder. If you didn't a confirmation email you might not get updates/login information.

Here's the generic, post-purchase email sent out by the S/C:

=========================
Thank you for your purchase of the
Arbitrage Conspiracy!

You are in for an exciting 12 weeks!
So get ready... it all begins next
Monday (December 15, 2008)!

As you read this, we are loading up the
membership site with a TON of amazing
"get you started NOW" content!

Watch your email over the next few days
as we will be sending you more updates.

If you were one of the first to buy,
we will notify you A.S.A.P to let
you know if you qualified for
the fast mover bonuses (this will
take a few days, so please be patient).

Now...get ready to join the Conspiracy
yourself...and make 2009 the biggest
year ever!

Sincerely,

Aymen & The Arbitrage Conspiracy Support Team

======================
anyhow, we'll be in skiing in St. Mortiz for the next two weeks so I'll play catch up after I'm done

I did recieve the confirmation email regarding my order number, etc.

However, I never recieved any further emails after that.

deep · 12th Dec 2008, 05:05 PM

Nothing in spam folder. Since I had to enter my CC 5 times before they processed it my guess is that their customer management/cc processing systems are far from perfect...

What I don't get is zero response to my help requests - I have posted to blog, emailed to Aymen, even signed up for aff program to send an email through their system.

For the comparison...Rankingl00phole cost $97 and I've got got about 10 of my questions to them answered in a couple of hours every time.

Is there a support email anywhere listed in the emails they sent you?

nickdeni · 12th Dec 2008, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by deep

Nothing in spam folder. Since I had to enter my CC 5 times before they processed it my guess is that their customer management/cc processing systems are far from perfect...

What I don't get is zero response to my help requests - I have posted to blog, emailed to Aymen, even signed up for aff program to send an email through their system.

For the comparison...Rankingl00phole cost $97 and I've got got about 10 of my questions to them answered in a couple of hours every time.

Is there a support email anywhere listed in the emails they sent you?

Nothing in spam folder for me either. I also sent them an email and received no response so far. Please post a support email if you find one.

mido · 12th Dec 2008, 05:50 PM

deep, nickdeni
I bought it yesterday afternoon, got receipt, but NOT thankyou email with info about Monday.
AC blog says nothing, mostly naive comments from newbies.

nobodyspecial & jimrpips - does your thankyou email show some contact information for AC (support)??

nickdeni · 12th Dec 2008, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by jimrpips

Their legal pages list support_AT_arbitrageconspiracy.com, the return address on the generic email is aymen_AT_arbitrageconspiracy.com.

Let us know when you get a response.

Thanks for the info.

My first email went to the support address that you listed and never received a reply. Now I sent one to the aymen address, so we will see if I get a response.

Thanks again.

mido · 12th Dec 2008, 05:55 PM

I'm emailing them at support AT arbitrageconspiracy.com

templar · 12th Dec 2008, 05:56 PM

Jim,

The email aymen at arbitrageconspiracy is a new one, recently created.

The said the training will start on Monday, and there are a bunch of us with Aymen's contact info, Brad's contact info, and if there is a problem, we can get an answer for you.

Originally Posted by jimrpips

Their legal pages list support_AT_arbitrageconspiracy.com, the return address on the generic email is aymen_AT_arbitrageconspiracy.com.

Let us know when you get a response.

deep · 12th Dec 2008, 05:58 PM

Thanks!

Sent an email to both support_AT_arbitrageconspiracy.com and aymen_AT_arbitrageconspiracy.com.

Used Gmail this time so it is 100% sure they will get my email and I will get their if they care to answer...

Jeff Olah · 12th Dec 2008, 06:26 PM

Hello -

I too bought the $1,997 "Conspiracy" before reading about all the additional items and membership that has to be purchased before you can utilize their system.

Anyhow, I have sent 3 Emails and even posted to their forum looking to get a refund before they go live on Monday, So they do not inadvertantly send me their download links.

As you can imagine, I haven't received any emails back and they "edited out" my post on the forum.

If I hear anything I will share.

Simon - If you are looking for someone to mentor, I MAY have $1,997 coming back soon.

Thanks

Jeff

mido · 12th Dec 2008, 06:32 PM

I sent them this, no response:

"Got receipt, but no “thank you” email which others received.
What happened to bonuses?

When Mike Filsaime lunched his “7 Figure Code”, the list of the first 500 people was published the same afternoon, TIME STAMPED, so everybody knew what bonus to expect.

Here is nothing on AC blog, except naïve comments from newbies.
Better comments or questions are “sandboxed” for moderation and Deleted.

This is Not how professionals operate."

Jeff Olah · 12th Dec 2008, 06:47 PM

Mido -

I agree with you, My post has been sitting there (#31) since last night and still says "Your comment is awaiting moderation".

I also agree that this is not how professionals operate. I feel sorry for anyone that is promoting this product. Aymen is ruining their reputations as well as his own.

I have seen a few that are giving honest feedback and wished I would have seen their comments before I laid my credit card down.

I guess I need to put in a call to my CC company.

Take care

Jeff

Jeff Olah · 12th Dec 2008, 06:49 PM

Templar -

Can you help me out and find out from Aymen or Brad where I submit my request for a refund.

Thanks

Jeff

SEORundown · 12th Dec 2008, 06:55 PM

As I stated in past post you get three days to get a refund before you have to go the 12 weeks you agree to. My hunch is they will ignore all email's and post until those three days are over and they are releasing content. At that point you will be stuck in it for the twelve weeks making all the payments, plus your ppc campaigns, plus a monthly fee for access to there website and coaching. Where did all the aggressive affiliates go? I campaign against them because it's more important to me to help people than it is to make fast cash. The lack of response from them is why!

Jeff Olah · 12th Dec 2008, 07:04 PM

SEORundown -

Thanks for the reply.

I will let Aymen and the other "Guru's" fight my credit card company for the money.

I bet my CC company wins.

Simon - My offer still stands.

Take care

SEORundown · 12th Dec 2008, 07:15 PM

FYI to anyone who was wondering the full name it is Aymen Bergi

asr_guy · 12th Dec 2008, 07:36 PM

I interviewed the launch manager for Arbitrage Conspiracy a few days ago in Vancouver.

And the video link is down below.

I don't think it reveals too much more than what's been discussed, but maybe it helps some of you who want a feel for the people behind it.

Enjoy.

The 13th Warrior · 12th Dec 2008, 07:40 PM

".......mon-day Mon-d-e-y...," ...

The reviews on and after the 15th will be interesting.

What would be better is someone that is actually already actively in the courses industry, and is not a affiliate, fanboy or "he was nice to ME" sort, but unbiased, if possible either way.

It either works or it doesn't....

It's either old news or new revelations.....

It's either useful for newbies or expansive for the experienced in the cpa/ppc industry.....

It may be all the above , none of the above, or somewhere in between......

Sober, sincere reviews without an agenda on either side would hit the spot.

"........mon-day MON-d-e-y...."

The 13 th Warrior

Dan.Thies · 12th Dec 2008, 07:55 PM

There seems to be a little confusion about the commission rates. It's all on the JV blog @ www dot arbitrageconspiracy dot com slash jv-blog - I'm not allowed to post URLs so you will have to type that by hand.

The base rate offered for affiliates was 40%.

You could get +5% by mailing 4 times - twice during pre-launch and twice during the launch. This probably saved their butts, since most of those second mailings were on the second day when they actually got the doors open.

If a partner who was willing to mail 4 times and create a video testimonial, they could earn 50% commissions, because...

You could get +5% by recording a testimonial video about "how amazingly mind blowing and game changing" the Vegas event was. That's a 10% minimum boost in payout for recording a video testimonial about "how amazingly mind blowing and game changing" the Vegas event was.

I am not a mind reader, so I don't how many of the "gurus" present at the event had their minds blown and their games changed, vs. those who just wanted 10% more in their commission check.

As far as I can recall, nobody has ever offered me higher commissions for recording a testimonial about how mind blowing and game changing something was. Maybe this gets done behind the scenes on some launches, maybe I'm not a "super affiliate." But it's a little bit surprising to see it done openly.

The 13th Warrior · 12th Dec 2008, 08:00 PM

That's why there is this marketing legend that when he had seminars, he rarely brought in any big name dudes, because he said behind the scences, he found out that most in the industry did not live up to the claims and most of their stuff did not work for the average or even experienced guy.

I think the only one consistantly he would endorse was Gary Halbert, and maybe one or two others occassionally.

He did not want his name associated with the others, and he did not consider himself a guru but most did, in mail order, and he was.

Another guy said he was on a plane with some other seminar guys and was shocked to find out most did not or never used the stuff they were teaching. Or had 1 success, and wrote 200 books ,tapes, seminars and video about that 1 success 30 years ago.

Nobodys perfect, so if your favorite guru is on the launch, and he has a ratio of 1 or 2 "stinkers" out of 10 superior, very useful , immediately effective and workable good products or promotions , then maybe thats ok.

Here's to "your" guy.

The 13 th Warrior

4today · 12th Dec 2008, 08:04 PM

i just finished reading it - I found it informative. I am new to internet marketing so I find myself over-absorbed. Will read several times so that it sinks in.

mido · 12th Dec 2008, 08:28 PM

I emailed Aymen I got Welcome email from him 2 hours later.

nickdeni · 12th Dec 2008, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by mido

I emailed Aymen I got Welcome email from him 2 hours later.

Same here.

tradermike2008 · 12th Dec 2008, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Dan.Thies

There seems to be a little confusion about the commission rates. It's all on the JV blog @ www dot arbitrageconspiracy dot com slash jv-blog - I'm not allowed to post URLs so you will have to type that by hand.

The base rate offered for affiliates was 40%.

You could get +5% by mailing 4 times - twice during pre-launch and twice during the launch. This probably saved their butts, since most of those second mailings were on the second day when they actually got the doors open.

If a partner who was willing to mail 4 times and create a video testimonial, they could earn 50% commissions, because...

You could get +5% by recording a testimonial video about "how amazingly mind blowing and game changing" the Vegas event was. That's a 10% minimum boost in payout for recording a video testimonial about "how amazingly mind blowing and game changing" the Vegas event was.

I am not a mind reader, so I don't how many of the "gurus" present at the event had their minds blown and their games changed, vs. those who just wanted 10% more in their commission check.

As far as I can recall, nobody has ever offered me higher commissions for recording a testimonial about how mind blowing and game changing something was. Maybe this gets done behind the scenes on some launches, maybe I'm not a "super affiliate." But it's a little bit surprising to see it done openly.

WOW! Never heard anything like. That is like paying people for a testimonial. And it isn't disclosed anywhere on their sales materials.

going to be interesting to see more and more details come out on this thing. I was always taught that about one of the worst things you can do is pay someone for a testimonial. It is hard to believe that these guys would even accept payment for a testimonial.

mido · 12th Dec 2008, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by alancasey64

Hey,
I PM'd this to some people. It's a site i threw up real quick (hate me...)

Arbitrage Conspiracy Scam .c0m

Shows how I took the concepts and in the last 2 weeks ahve made $8500 in CPA - using the same concepts as Arbitrage.

I actually found these concepts before I found the report... which was shocking to me... so now im stoked about the report.

btw... I did NOT use "firebug" to doctor up my screenshots. those ARE real.

alan,

You don't show any "secrets" as you mentioned in your original post (now re-edited).
You're just promoting your own link to sell sell AC, get $800 commission and give your little bonus.

Li Weng · 12th Dec 2008, 08:45 PM

Could this possibly be the most-discussed IM product launch ever? The debate goes on...

internetmarketer99 · 12th Dec 2008, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dan.Thies

There seems to be a little confusion about the commission rates. It's all on the JV blog @ www dot arbitrageconspiracy dot com slash jv-blog - I'm not allowed to post URLs so you will have to type that by hand.

The base rate offered for affiliates was 40%.

You could get +5% by mailing 4 times - twice during pre-launch and twice during the launch. This probably saved their butts, since most of those second mailings were on the second day when they actually got the doors open.

If a partner who was willing to mail 4 times and create a video testimonial, they could earn 50% commissions, because...

You could get +5% by recording a testimonial video about "how amazingly mind blowing and game changing" the Vegas event was. That's a 10% minimum boost in payout for recording a video testimonial about "how amazingly mind blowing and game changing" the Vegas event was.

I am not a mind reader, so I don't how many of the "gurus" present at the event had their minds blown and their games changed, vs. those who just wanted 10% more in their commission check.

As far as I can recall, nobody has ever offered me higher commissions for recording a testimonial about how mind blowing and game changing something was. Maybe this gets done behind the scenes on some launches, maybe I'm not a "super affiliate." But it's a little bit surprising to see it done openly.

Thanks for that Dan, you've earned a great deal of respect plus bonus integrity points on that post. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Mark

12th Dec 2008, 11:41 AM	#404
M3C VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 2,370 Thanks: 329 Thanked 582 Times in 314 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Any refund policy that states you can not be refunded until 12 weeks later isn't ethical as far as I am concerned. You may well decide early on that the material is simply not good enough, but you then have to wait 3 months for a refund ?? Any refund policy that says "Monthly subscription fees are not refundable for any reason." is not ethical and quite possibly not even legal. To Templar, I'll be active in any thread about a product in an area I'm interested in and as I've said before where I see BS & Hype blended with so called "reviews" from affiliates trying to hawk products I will when I see fit, lay some counter balance to a discussion.

12th Dec 2008, 12:00 PM	#407
M3C VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 2,370 Thanks: 329 Thanked 582 Times in 314 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: C'mon AC folks, must be hundreds of you by now, not a single piece of feedback from a non affiliate yet apart from some guy who ordered but hasn't received the product yet. Let's have some feedback guys...

12th Dec 2008, 12:13 PM	#409
Rykel Rykel Join Date: 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: When applying for new accounts with the CPA networks they require you to have a website up. If I am using PPC for traffic, what kind of website do I need to have up? Can it be an Under Construction page? I assume they're just looking for legitimacy, but since I'm not using a website for traffic, does it really matter what domain I'm using and what the content is on the site? Any help here appreciated.

12th Dec 2008, 04:02 PM	#423
deep Active Warrior Join Date: 2003 Location: Right here...right now Posts: 45 Thanks: 7 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Well...I bought the course too last night. I was referred to the .html page that had my order receipt with a button on the bottom - "Continue Shopping" which lead to the salesletter again and that was it. After that I got zero emails from them. I posted on their blog (it was held in moderation...and deleted later) and emailed them...nothing...no replies. For a $1997 purchase I would appreciate at least a confirmation email that I'm in and when I will get the product. I also had to go to my bank today to get one of the charges reversed because the double charged my card. ==============
	Internet Marketing Since 2003.

12th Dec 2008, 04:29 PM	#424
nobodyspecial HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 119 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: You might want to check your spam/junk folder. If you didn't a confirmation email you might not get updates/login information. Here's the generic, post-purchase email sent out by the S/C: ========================= Thank you for your purchase of the Arbitrage Conspiracy! You are in for an exciting 12 weeks! So get ready... it all begins next Monday (December 15, 2008)! As you read this, we are loading up the membership site with a TON of amazing "get you started NOW" content! Watch your email over the next few days as we will be sending you more updates. If you were one of the first to buy, we will notify you A.S.A.P to let you know if you qualified for the fast mover bonuses (this will take a few days, so please be patient). Now...get ready to join the Conspiracy yourself...and make 2009 the biggest year ever! Sincerely, Aymen & The Arbitrage Conspiracy Support Team ====================== anyhow, we'll be in skiing in St. Mortiz for the next two weeks so I'll play catch up after I'm done

12th Dec 2008, 05:05 PM	#426
deep Active Warrior Join Date: 2003 Location: Right here...right now Posts: 45 Thanks: 7 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Nothing in spam folder. Since I had to enter my CC 5 times before they processed it my guess is that their customer management/cc processing systems are far from perfect... What I don't get is zero response to my help requests - I have posted to blog, emailed to Aymen, even signed up for aff program to send an email through their system. For the comparison...Rankingl00phole cost $97 and I've got got about 10 of my questions to them answered in a couple of hours every time. Is there a support email anywhere listed in the emails they sent you?
	Internet Marketing Since 2003.

12th Dec 2008, 05:50 PM	#428
mido Active Warrior Join Date: 2007 Location: FL, USA Posts: 57 Thanks: 9 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: deep, nickdeni I bought it yesterday afternoon, got receipt, but NOT thankyou email with info about Monday. AC blog says nothing, mostly naive comments from newbies. nobodyspecial & jimrpips - does your thankyou email show some contact information for AC (support)??

12th Dec 2008, 05:55 PM	#430
mido Active Warrior Join Date: 2007 Location: FL, USA Posts: 57 Thanks: 9 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I'm emailing them at support AT arbitrageconspiracy.com

12th Dec 2008, 05:58 PM	#432
deep Active Warrior Join Date: 2003 Location: Right here...right now Posts: 45 Thanks: 7 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Thanks! Sent an email to both support_AT_arbitrageconspiracy.com and aymen_AT_arbitrageconspiracy.com. Used Gmail this time so it is 100% sure they will get my email and I will get their if they care to answer...
	Internet Marketing Since 2003.

12th Dec 2008, 06:26 PM	#433
Jeff Olah Not Yet... War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: California Posts: 119 Thanks: 40 Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Hello - I too bought the $1,997 "Conspiracy" before reading about all the additional items and membership that has to be purchased before you can utilize their system. Anyhow, I have sent 3 Emails and even posted to their forum looking to get a refund before they go live on Monday, So they do not inadvertantly send me their download links. As you can imagine, I haven't received any emails back and they "edited out" my post on the forum. If I hear anything I will share. Simon - If you are looking for someone to mentor, I MAY have $1,997 coming back soon. Thanks Jeff

12th Dec 2008, 06:32 PM	#434
mido Active Warrior Join Date: 2007 Location: FL, USA Posts: 57 Thanks: 9 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I sent them this, no response: "Got receipt, but no “thank you” email which others received. What happened to bonuses? When Mike Filsaime lunched his “7 Figure Code”, the list of the first 500 people was published the same afternoon, TIME STAMPED, so everybody knew what bonus to expect. Here is nothing on AC blog, except naïve comments from newbies. Better comments or questions are “sandboxed” for moderation and Deleted. This is Not how professionals operate."

12th Dec 2008, 06:47 PM	#435
Jeff Olah Not Yet... War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: California Posts: 119 Thanks: 40 Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Mido - I agree with you, My post has been sitting there (#31) since last night and still says "Your comment is awaiting moderation". I also agree that this is not how professionals operate. I feel sorry for anyone that is promoting this product. Aymen is ruining their reputations as well as his own. I have seen a few that are giving honest feedback and wished I would have seen their comments before I laid my credit card down. I guess I need to put in a call to my CC company. Take care Jeff

12th Dec 2008, 06:49 PM	#436
Jeff Olah Not Yet... War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: California Posts: 119 Thanks: 40 Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Templar - Can you help me out and find out from Aymen or Brad where I submit my request for a refund. Thanks Jeff

12th Dec 2008, 06:55 PM	#437
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: As I stated in past post you get three days to get a refund before you have to go the 12 weeks you agree to. My hunch is they will ignore all email's and post until those three days are over and they are releasing content. At that point you will be stuck in it for the twelve weeks making all the payments, plus your ppc campaigns, plus a monthly fee for access to there website and coaching. Where did all the aggressive affiliates go? I campaign against them because it's more important to me to help people than it is to make fast cash. The lack of response from them is why!

12th Dec 2008, 07:04 PM	#438
Jeff Olah Not Yet... War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: California Posts: 119 Thanks: 40 Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: SEORundown - Thanks for the reply. I will let Aymen and the other "Guru's" fight my credit card company for the money. I bet my CC company wins. Simon - My offer still stands. Take care

12th Dec 2008, 07:15 PM	#439
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: FYI to anyone who was wondering the full name it is Aymen Bergi

12th Dec 2008, 07:36 PM	#440
asr_guy Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2005 Location: , , Canada. Posts: 38 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I interviewed the launch manager for Arbitrage Conspiracy a few days ago in Vancouver. And the video link is down below. I don't think it reveals too much more than what's been discussed, but maybe it helps some of you who want a feel for the people behind it. Enjoy.
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12th Dec 2008, 07:40 PM	#441
The 13th Warrior Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 515 Thanks: 408 Thanked 210 Times in 127 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: ".......mon-day Mon-d-e-y...," ... The reviews on and after the 15th will be interesting. What would be better is someone that is actually already actively in the courses industry, and is not a affiliate, fanboy or "he was nice to ME" sort, but unbiased, if possible either way. It either works or it doesn't.... It's either old news or new revelations..... It's either useful for newbies or expansive for the experienced in the cpa/ppc industry..... It may be all the above , none of the above, or somewhere in between...... Sober, sincere reviews without an agenda on either side would hit the spot. "........mon-day MON-d-e-y...." The 13 th Warrior

12th Dec 2008, 07:55 PM	#442
Dan.Thies White Hat Black Belt War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Frisco, TX, USA. Posts: 105 Thanks: 21 Thanked 20 Times in 13 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: There seems to be a little confusion about the commission rates. It's all on the JV blog @ www dot arbitrageconspiracy dot com slash jv-blog - I'm not allowed to post URLs so you will have to type that by hand. The base rate offered for affiliates was 40%. You could get +5% by mailing 4 times - twice during pre-launch and twice during the launch. This probably saved their butts, since most of those second mailings were on the second day when they actually got the doors open. If a partner who was willing to mail 4 times and create a video testimonial, they could earn 50% commissions, because... You could get +5% by recording a testimonial video about "how amazingly mind blowing and game changing" the Vegas event was. That's a 10% minimum boost in payout for recording a video testimonial about "how amazingly mind blowing and game changing" the Vegas event was. I am not a mind reader, so I don't how many of the "gurus" present at the event had their minds blown and their games changed, vs. those who just wanted 10% more in their commission check. As far as I can recall, nobody has ever offered me higher commissions for recording a testimonial about how mind blowing and game changing something was. Maybe this gets done behind the scenes on some launches, maybe I'm not a "super affiliate." But it's a little bit surprising to see it done openly.

12th Dec 2008, 08:00 PM	#443
The 13th Warrior Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 515 Thanks: 408 Thanked 210 Times in 127 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: That's why there is this marketing legend that when he had seminars, he rarely brought in any big name dudes, because he said behind the scences, he found out that most in the industry did not live up to the claims and most of their stuff did not work for the average or even experienced guy. I think the only one consistantly he would endorse was Gary Halbert, and maybe one or two others occassionally. He did not want his name associated with the others, and he did not consider himself a guru but most did, in mail order, and he was. Another guy said he was on a plane with some other seminar guys and was shocked to find out most did not or never used the stuff they were teaching. Or had 1 success, and wrote 200 books ,tapes, seminars and video about that 1 success 30 years ago. Nobodys perfect, so if your favorite guru is on the launch, and he has a ratio of 1 or 2 "stinkers" out of 10 superior, very useful , immediately effective and workable good products or promotions , then maybe thats ok. Here's to "your" guy. The 13 th Warrior

12th Dec 2008, 08:04 PM	#444
4today Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Blog Entries: 6	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: i just finished reading it - I found it informative. I am new to internet marketing so I find myself over-absorbed. Will read several times so that it sinks in.
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12th Dec 2008, 08:28 PM	#445
mido Active Warrior Join Date: 2007 Location: FL, USA Posts: 57 Thanks: 9 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I emailed Aymen I got Welcome email from him 2 hours later.

12th Dec 2008, 08:45 PM	#449
Li Weng Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 574 Thanks: 18 Thanked 56 Times in 40 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Could this possibly be the most-discussed IM product launch ever? The debate goes on...
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