Always-A-Warrior

I dropped everything to redirect my interest to AC and CPA networks. The economy is to scary to be wasting time.

The report is great and Brad from Stomper has more to deliver.

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jcaviani

I will never tell anyone what to do only offer alternative ways of thinking.

I comment at times because I see people getting swept up in hype when using their own head might be a better option.

Lead generation has been a main part of all business since day one. It's all around you. The Internet adds another channel, but it doesn't change the basics. A lead where the consumer makes the first move is always the best.

If you want to pay 2500% markup on products and information you can get elsewhere with a bit of elbow grease, then go to it. I just don't need Brad Fallon or any other talking head out there to tell me how the world works.

Does that me anti Brad Fallon or anti guru? No, it just makes me pro me. For the last 2 years, an associate and I have offered a JV opportunity to a select group of people. A few used the system to make over 100K in RESIDUAL income in as little as 3 months. Most just talked and did nothing.

The truth is most people just don't want to do the work and I no longer need the ball and chain.

PPC-Coach

Good point. I agree with you 100%.

vic_msn

I know a guy in my town who directly leads with bigger companies and sells them leads. When I ask him all he says is he has some partner working for him in the UK&US.

the-CPA-guy

It will be foolish to compare Aymen's business model with plan 'PPC to CPA' things.The report is very superficial in comparison to original course.The way he gets mouth watering traffic deal and pay bump is awesome. He is not a small scale CPA arbitrage guy and dealt with millions of clicks a month. Moreover it is not all PPC only things , there are others also.Oops! too much said , there is a NDA.

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Andrew Erdnase

This may sound negative but if these guys are truly making as much money per day as they say they are why are selling this at all? If I had come across methods that would bring me this much per day there is no way I'd be selling the secrets to anyone lest it bring my own success to an end or dilute it in some way.

This is what puts me off with some of the big money programs. If they are as successful as they say they are why doesn't the seller just keep on earning their millions without giving away the secrets?

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amirla84

welcome to the world of internet marketing. lol

mudmat

I think the method of using company name and urls would work better if you use adware pop-up traffic. There are companies who provide this type of traffic and it is totally legal.

You don't have to battle it out with google and write effective ads because your cpa offer will pop-up right in front of the visitor. And there is also no restriction on trademark bidding.

The only problem is that it might not be so easy to get approved by companies that provide these type of traffic.

PPC-Coach

Agreed, adware is very easy to use with trademarked names, but make sure you get permission from the merchant before sending any traffic. They sure do notice 10,000 impressions in 5 minutes hitting their pages from you.

I also agree there has got to be more to this product then just direct linking to cpa offers. Maybe he's going to show how to land private deals, (which are awesome). Anyhow, I decided to join the fray and will give back the bulk of my commission to anyone buying their product through my link.

GerardWon

I think that the "Arbitrage Conspiracy Report" is an absolutely brilliant sales letter-- I'd love to know who wrote it. I have also been doing quite a lot of digging around and will be in touch w/ PPC Coach in very short order. He is highly recommended by some other real players in PPC.

Li Weng

This is my guess.

1. Not putting all eggs into one basket - creating more income sources and even earning more money!
2. Using this as a means to promote their own CPA network - middle man makes more money than traffic brokers (as mentioned in the ebook)
3. Boredom - hard to believe but this happens. Some people need to set themselves different projects to feel a sense of achievement.

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Lance K

Hey Luke, I PMed you a few days ago about the coaching offer in your sig file. Just wondering if you got it? If not, I'll resend.

Lance K

No worries. I know that you get slammed with PMs. Just wanted to make sure it got through since I saw that you were online. I'll be waiting patiently for your reply. Take care.

Oh yeah, nice video! How do you really feel?

Noel2010

Why are they giving away their secrets?
Making $100k a day is $36 million a year! I don't believe it!

Lance K

While I'm sure they're gonna make some damn good cash off this launch, that alone wouldn't be enough reason to create that much competition for their $36,000,000/year cash cow.

My best guess is that they're trying to introduce CPA to a whole bunch of people who are unfamiliar with it. So that when they launch their CPA network that they're putting together, they'll already have a crapload of people waiting to sign up and promote their offers.

That's where they're gonna profit the most.

If they get 10,000 people believig that they can make an average of just $2,000/month (and doing it) that's $20,000,000 in affiliate payouts PER MONTH. I don't know what kind of cut the CPA networks get, but if they got to the point where they were paying out $20,000,000/month to affiliates, they're gonna be rolling in the dough.

maximus242

Obviously so they can make more money selling you stuff.

James Schramko

You are being quite unkind about a product you have not seen.

His concepts and ideas are more in depth than the first free report. You have to help people move to the end results in stages.

(Remember your blog that had videos of you in front of a massive TV).

His blueprint that comes next is more in-depth.

It starts out by covering:

-Researching offer (affiliate managers, keyword tools, reverse engineering, insider contacts etc...

-Offer selection (rules of engagement, payout types, traffic types, offer types)

and then 5 more modules in detail.

People should be make up their own minds instead of be swayed by either hype or people who have never received the training.

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James Schramko

Because they will introduce you to the concepts and then provide you resources that they can benefit from.

They will broker large deals and then offer them to you at the next level down. This makes sense.

They are getting paid to train you how to use the service they provide.

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PPC-Coach

The average direct track cpa network makes about $80k per month. The top guys make $2 million plus per month, (at least that's what my rep told me from DT). As for training affiliates then launching a cpa network, it's been done in the past by some brilliant people, (LOL), and does work. It could actually be pure boredom as the reason for all this. Maybe the guy is helping out some buddies who are starting a network? The extra headaches and work that no one sees with owning and running a cpa network are not worth it if you're already doing $50k to $100k per day though.

Dealing with merchants, chasing down payments and managing affiliates is a full time job in itself.

James Schramko

He loves buying and selling - that is his buzz. (And helping other poeple).

Aymen was a partner of AffSpy so he already knows how to do this side of the business.

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James Schramko

Luke,

From Wiki:

In economics and finance, arbitrage is the practice of taking advantage of a price differential between two or more markets: striking a combination of matching deals that capitalize upon the imbalance, the profit being the difference between the market prices.

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PPC-Coach

You seem to have a vested interest in this James. Why so defensive about people's opinions? Everyone is entitled to think what they want and calling people hypocrites doesn't really make you any friends.

Relax guy.

Mike Williams

Ok. Here's the deal. He's got you excited about how you can find better offers on CPA networks than Clickbank (which is true by the way!). But you come back to the same old problem. How to get the traffic at affordable prices and get it converting.

For that he gives you only one technique, that's far from new.

So...so far...not majorly impressed. His 100K is NOT coming from that method he shares in the report. Of that I can assure you. There is a LOT more to it and even the high end product probably won't tell you the half of it.

It's all about spreading your wings REALLY wide (having the money to do this helps!) and then ramping up the winners and tossing the losers.

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James Schramko

Fair enough - I just edited my prior post less offensive. I am nomally quite polite but I don't understand the reason for all the sledging.

My vested interest is this:

This guy called Aymen taught me for three days straight then followed up with me every week for six months to ensure that I was doing well.

Do you know how much he charged?

Nothing.

Why did he do it?

I don't really know, but he is THE most generous person I have met online and the things he taught me changed my life.

He told me where to buy traffic, when to leave an offer, what to sell etc...

(Other CPA/ PPC products I have encountered have not been overly informative or else they teach people crappy tactics like myspace spamming.)


So I am biased. I am selling his product because my own experience was positive.

It does upset me to see others slamming it based on one free report which is SO obviously NOT the whole course...

I know you are into this stuff too Coach but you did change a little from the start of this thread where you were saying it is nothing new and now you are promoting the course too?

See why I am confused?

I have always kept my opinion about the other person in this thread to myself but he has really shown his character with his mocking video.

I'll chill now - i just wanted to explain why I think this product deserves a fair hearing and why it is important to speak with knowing rather than speculation.

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troon

I'm surprised no one here has mentioned Affiliate Payload which was released earlier this year and is an excellent introduction to CPA. I have been able to set up accounts with several of the top CPA networks by following the instruction in Affiliate Payload. You just need to put on a "professional" appearance which is not hard even if you work at home in your shorts everyday like me!

Buy a flash template, get a domain that relates to advertising (NationaNetlMedia, OnlineMediaToday, etc.) and be prepared to answer a few questions on a telephone call from the CPA network (how long have you been doing CPA, what kind of offers have you promoted in the past, what is your primary traffic source, etc.).

Remember, you are a professional CPA marketer, right? That means you know how to answer your phone in some other way than "hello", "what's up", "hey", "yah" etc. and it also means that your voice mail greeting should not play you favorite rap song before you come on and say "sorry dude, missed your ring, leave one, I'll be back... Are you getting the picture? No one should have any problems being accepted by the CPA networks...you just need to know the game!

Oliver Hart

Hi, James.

What Aymen did for you was very kind-hearted of him to do.

You know that "what comes along, goes along"

I think it is time for you to do the same.

You have my PM detail

Take care.

Noel2010

I agree with you 100% here.

It is time to give back. Your fellow warriors are here waiting for YOUR 3 day training, where to buy traffic, when to leave an offer, what to sell etc...

That is never going to stop anyone from buying the course.

James Schramko

I worked very hard on being in the right position have met Aymen in the first place - that is the key to it.

The hard work came first.

Luckily for me you guys can access the same mindset directly - the next material coming out will answer many of these things.

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Li Weng

Hey James, Aymen's program seems very interesting, but I have not made money from PPC ever, and I have 0 experience with PPC. So my question is, does his course teach you how to properly do PPC, or is that expected knowledge?

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RC7000

These releases are just teasers. My business partner went to this $7,000 and wrote notes on everything that was said... 80+ Pages!!!!

We're already working on this and it's OK. Not for everyone. You need money to get started and this event was over hyped.

Magy

Hi James,
The course is available now or it will be a new product?

RC7000

It is not available yet.

There was a private conference a few weeks ago.

The product will be released soon.

I think the idea behind the conference was to give the attendees a chance to make some money with the idea and hype it up by inviting every big name guru.

Magy

Ok thanks RC7000.

M3C

I won't weigh in to heavily here other than to say this.

There are plenty of these products around, we have simply moved on from PPC-landing page - CB/CJ to PPC-CPA or PPC-landing page -CPA.

It's nothing new, or top secret , the bottom line is the traffic.

Much like Alex Goads Affiliate Payload, on paper, everything is great, but what they forget to tell you is that to purchase the term "free credit report" does NOT cost you $0.50 as they try to suggest but 10x that even if you use your own landing page and achieve a great quality score.

The techniques in all these products are viable, but it all boils down to the traffic, and the ROI, unless you're privvy to better traffic sources than PPC , a lot of people are going to get burnt with this.

I once even created a video for Alex Goads team, showing them the real world discrepenancy between their video showing how they would send PPC traffic to a given offer, despite irrefutable evidence that it didn't stack up in real life , they didn't respond .

This will be another 300 pages on how to choose offers, how to get signed up with networks, how to create landing pages once you have a proven tested evergreen offer, how to lower quality scores, how to bid on brands, URL's, how to use various tools to spy on competitors and to get ideas on demographics, and how to scale up offers that are delivering a ROI and so on.

All of which is very handy but won't matter one iota, if you can't get the traffic cheap enough and in most cases despite what they say, you won't, not without a lot of testing, a lot of failed campaigns and a lot of kicking badly converting offers into touch before you find a good one.

I'm not saying the product's a pile of crap, it will most likely open the eyes of people to CPA as opposed to always relying on CB etc, but it won't magically make you a gazillion dollars a day, not even close or it will but you'll spend a gazillion on PPC.

My 2 cents..

James Schramko

I think it might be better suited to the person wanting a good introduction and understanding of CPA.

There is more information coming out - have a look and decide if it is for you.

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James Schramko

I think you are most likely correct. There will be people pushing it hard just from an opportunity sense but they are marketers and I guess we expect that.

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James Schramko

Simon I like your post because It seems pretty mature, accurate and honest.

The product will not be what you expect in terms of the method if delivery.People who get this should be able to ask questions from what I understand as the material is rolled out sequentially.

It will be good to see your comments after you see what the program is and how the traffic is generated. He did put me onto PPV marketing and RFT. CPA offers.

Creativity and intense segmentation can lower your traffic costs.The majority of his work is devoted to research and the smaller part is fine tuning campaigns.

(I also agree with you about the other product - it was not realistic).

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MaskedMarketer

I can see it easily. People are tired of hype claims when nothing inside is considered a secret or top secret confidential information.

Is his product good? No one knows unless you've used the exact same product people are buying.

I think its the MARKETING METHODS used to entice newbies (who usually fail) that some people don't like.

I know Luke provides Guaranteed Results (or your money back).

You can have all the Marketing Hype in the world, but Actions are louder than words and reversing the risk the way Luke has done shows confidence in his program.

If this guys program does not offer a "make money or you get a full refund" that only reflects the confidence in there program.

Offer me a strong guarantee and you have my business

I think Jay Abraham had a salesletter out there for a seminar who charged people AFTER the seminar, lol...

That's real confidence in results.

Wonder why Jay is allowed to charge clients 40k a day? Its called confidence and results.

Strong guarantees show confidence and Luke has confidence in his program. Luke does not hype anything up (or promote SH*TTY emails in my inbox 2-3 times in a day- like you're buddies affiliates are doing) - and I've arleady unsubscribed from the lists...

I dont think Luke even allows affiliates to promote his program.

We can see who's vested interest is where pretty easily. I'm sure you'll make a boatload with promoting that program and theres nothing wrong with that...

He's just giving his opinion about the report. I was lead to believe this report was confidential, top secret information. I gave my email address up (and was duped) and got general information.

Some like it, some don't. We can all have our opinion.

The herd loves this type of stuff, thats why it works.

Some people are just tired of seeing the 1,000,000 a day profit top secret confidential report, when its all known knowledge, lol.

Theres information about CPA in this very forum (and others) !!!

James Schramko

That's all pretty fair.

I don't subscribe to any of my friends buddys affiliate email lists either so I may be missing the hype that everyone else is experiencing.

I love Jay Abraham materials and I like the the risk reversal concept. I used it in business as well. I'm not 100% but I am pretty sure this course will have a refund policy.

The only person people should blame for failure is themselves. Newbies or otherwise they have to make their own decisions and take responsibility.

Poeple why cry about gurus ripping them off should do the same thing that you and I have done and unsubscribe from them. Stop rewarding them by reading emails and buying things.

My point in here is that while others are saying this is all crap and it is nothing new - I have found this guy to be quite informative and it worked for me.

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MaskedMarketer

This is true, but some people mislead others. Not all people (or gurus) do it and it can keep the newbies trapped (ive been there)

Most people that refer to themselves as a guru or are referred as one, I try to stay away from (especially IM- its like a popularity contest, lol)


The report is good if you've never been exposed to CPA.

I'm not with Lukes program, but have heard good things from his customers. And to someone who is experience like Luke, its a joke to him that this guy would "expose" or "leak" information that's top secret (when its not). To some its misleading, to others is like an angel came from heaven to rescue you.. And thats how people fall in the trap

Theres will always be people on both sides of the fence.

The only thing that matters is results for the customer. What program can get the best results for a customer for the money? That's what I look for.

And reverse the risk is always good for the customer and the business (if you do it right and can get people results)

akaelo

Anybody know the official launch date of this product? Seems like it was a pretty good idea to release such a basic free report - it got some controversy going! Guess that's always a good thing pre-launch

MaskedMarketer

exactly!

They chose to use BS HYPE tactics to get your email address and when you get the report- its a basic report you can free else where

Hype is good and can cause controversy when done correctly.

People will always have opinions no matter what!

If the business is making money and satisfying customers its all game.

Just know people like Luke will be around to cause even more "controversy"

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jcaviani

Simon,

I couldn't agree more. MOST people in this realm will not have the motivation to make this work for them. Until you make it part of your experience, which will take trial and error, it's just a bunch of nice words on a page. But, and this can be huge for some people, if the plan works as described, some people will at least know where to put their effort.

I think the biggest fear most people have is knowing that all the time they spend is on something worthwhile. Unfortunately, many people simply lack the background to know if they are just reading a pitch or if the info really works. If all you know is buzzwords, you are easily fooled.

If you ask an Olympic athlete what makes them successful. They will tell you besides talent it take X hours for anyone to learn certain skills, no matter who you are. Some people put in the time and others simply don't. Unfortunately, the ones who don't usually blame someone else for their lack of effort. And, in the world of dramshop, where it's someone else's fault if you pore a bottle of Whiskey down your throat in a bar and kill someone, they too often get away with it.

In the USA Today condensed world of information (the basic ideas of info overload Schefren and others refers to), I guess it's not easy to stop looking for shortcuts. However, the only way you can sift the good info from the bad is by actually knowing the subject matter.

I can tell you from experience. It doesn't matter one iota how well I can improvise in jazz, my students still had to make what I was telling them part of their experience. So, look for a good teacher and put in the time.

My advice, not that I am more than another blog of protoplasm, is to develop a better filter. To do that, you need to really dig into a topic and get your hands dirty. You have to know the subject matter. Once you do, it takes 5 seconds to see if something makes any sense.

Noel2010

Anyone remember those co-reg guys?

Li Weng

From what you're saying (even though it's vague) I gather that he won't be teaching PPC. If I understand how this works correctly is you advertise CPA offers using PPC campaigns. So mastering PPC is really the key to getting traffic here. If he doesn't go over PPC, it's just like leaving out the main ingredient. In that case, only the people who are highly advanced in PPC would be able to profit from the information. But then again, if people are already PPC experts, do they really need to get this course?

It reminds me of Alex Goad's Affiliate Payload. He tells people is to learn PPC on their own because it's "basic", not worth the trouble wasting to go through since "there are a lot of free info" out there. And yet his program is supposed to be newbie-friendly. I don't see how leaving out PPC will help any newbies. PPC is an art to master in itself. If it was so easy, why would there be so many products based on PPC? It's very easy for someone inexperienced with PPC to work with CPA and lose a lot of money, and their shirt.

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The 13th Warrior

This is probably true. He can only speak of his experience.

Whether "for" or "against", they can only speak on a personal level or experience...., what other way is there?

But the problem with most reviews or reviewers to me is this.

So far, Consumer Digest has the best review site. They list all categories of a product and its strengths and weaknesses. Also how professionals rate it and regular consumers rate it, because everyone has different needs and applications, and pros can make probably a use or make work anything, but that doesn't help the regular consumer.

CNET has reviews from both editors, pros and regular folks so you can get a general feel of where its short and where its strengths is.

I've seen very few reviews or reviewers that have a encompassing view of a product, whether it worked for them or not.

Someone may say, they are experienced and it worked for them, but the average user should stay away because they(pro) knew how to make a shortcoming work or tweak it , but it would not work for such and such type user.

Or if it did not work, they would say it did not work for me , but admit only using certain applications and limited use of such product.......like ," I only used it on two sites and it did not work, but that's because of this and that and that I did not do what it recommended or where and how it said to apply it , so I did not give it a fair test....it simply was not for me for this reason, but it may work for someone whose does such and such..."

Like when someone has a perception of what they understand something to be because of what they seen on radio, tv and advertising reputation, like my yob, for instance.

In the "old days" , it was the top job in the industry, top company in the industry. It's now a skeleton of what is once was and "ONLY" relys on it's logo and past rep to get people in the door.

So people walk up to me with stars in their eyes and ask, " wow, is it a good job, are they hiring ?"

So I tell them " look, it's not for everybody. If you have absolutely nothing going and no prospects for a few years and lots of time and just want to make some cash, then ok, it might be for you. This is what is once was, and this is how it is today. Here's both the good and bad, and you can decide if its for you." I give them the top few reasons why people are STILL here at this job , which is half a hand of reasons, them I tell then the negatives.

Also, I don't buy " he did right by me, so he's good " arguement.

I include myself along with others who agree of certain people that are verified , bonafide class A-1 mental cases, people that are bi-polar in interaction or fairness with other human beings, but this class 1 schiztso treats one or two people fairly, then these one or two people KNOW how he treats everybody else, but they say, hey , he was good to me, so you guys got to give him a chance.

Just because YOU or I get along with someone and have a decent repoire with them, doesn't mean they are not mental cases.

Because I actually HAVE a repoire with one guy on a decent level, as one example, but I had on occassion to experience his mental illness and know for a fact he has an un-user-friendly approach to others and situations.

I get along with most people because once I identify that "place" , which maybe one or a few, where we are "good" at, I don't venture out from there, in other words, for example, if the only time its "all good" is when we talk about sports, then 99% of the time, anything I talk to him about is sports related. If its not sports, then we have nothing to discuss.

To admit he was not an A-hole and that he should'nt get whats coming to him for an off and unnecessary way of going about his business would be 100% pure self-centered and selfish on my part.

....if you did wrong to the least of them, you have offended me....

So an overall approach to a review depends on who its for, who it not for, and who it better serves and at what application and at what level.

So people of various needs and levels have a feel of what they are in for.

The 13 th Warrior

templar

Well, I feel I am up to speed on Arbitrage Conspiracy now...

It's the real deal folks.

Not just PPC with CPA offers, but a live 12 week course to show you the exact process to launch a $50k/day income.

Sounds unbelievable, but the sales letter is to die for...proof out the ying yang, and names everyone will recognize.

Heck, I even put a picture of Aymaan up at my arbitrage conspiracy review so you can see he's real.

Anthony T. is his affiliate manager.

In short, if anyone is interested in making 10k, 20k, 50k, even 100k per day should take a serious look at Arbitrage Conspiracy

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RC7000

ha ha

reading it now..

hmm they don't make 100k every day

from the looks of things it isn't really going to be the sort of thing that people will read and then go through with....

mudmat

I heard it is going to cost $2k.. That would really leave a lot of people out..
No Money, No Talk..

George Stavrakakis

That is true for 99% of infoproducts. It speaks more to the customer than the product.