lexilexi

Thanks James S for the interview mp3 with Aymen - good stuff!

"If there is no door, it becomes necessary to break out through the wall."

Li Weng

Where did you hear that???

- Insert backlink here -

M3C

Quite a few IM'ers are already spamming my inbox with their "buy it from us" e-mails.

A few mention it will be a $2k product, and It wouldn't suprise me if it's then backended with a longer term subscription.

It appears they will deliver it piecemeal , ie not one e-book but a login based system of some kind with a drip feed delivery.

templar

Li,

I can confirm it will be in the 2k range. Confirmed by Anthony and Aymen, the guys doing the launch.

And on tonight's call at 9pm Eastern, Aymen will describe how he reaches a million facebook users with a single message...

(this is more than cpa with ppc...did they mention that?)

You basically get the las vegas info for free, if you hop on that call tonight.

Details are on my arbitrage conspiracy review blog.

Free Crypto Coin Empire

James Schramko

(Gee I don't know if it's cool to post affiliate links in threads templar. They can easily enough click on signature links.)

It is interesting now that the facts and information regarding this course are surfacing.

I knew that Aymen is big in Facebook and not just PPC. He likes creative methods for buying cheap traffic other than just relying on Google.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

James Schramko

Did you give them opt-in permission to email you?

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

M3C

Agreed, it's bad enough posting affiliate links to products in signatures but slapping so called "reviews" into the posts only puts me right off the so called reviewer.

M3C

I suspect somewhere down the line, probably after I purchased their program/software whatever I did, of course I never gave them permission to send me crap about other people's stuff they want to make a buck from but it doesn't bother me one iota.

I like keeping up to date on what's out there so I'm never fussed, the only issue is when you're on a lot of IM lists your end up being spammed with brilliant " buy it from me and I'll give you XXX" crappola ..

I'll simply purchase via my own affiliate link of course.

James Schramko

LOL

It is a fine line between staying in the loop versus not getting a full inbox. I decided to unsub from all of them and now I rely on forums and industry news sites like IMnewswatch etc... to do the heavy lifting.

I just don't have the time to sift emails and they are mostly crap from those people.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

M3C

James, no it's not it's .. top secret, amazing, unique, never seen before techniques which will all earn you at least 1 billion gazillion dollars per year. :-)

RC7000

That Dubai facebook story they mention sounds ridiculous. I hope this $2k is easier to take action with.

Noah Fleming

What's the Dubai story?
I really haven't followed this.... I saw the promo video though...

I don't believe for a second Eben for example is going to start a CPA business at this point.
Nor do I think he's succeed. Smart guy for sure but not every IM'er can just jump into CPA and "get it"

MaskedMarketer

I get 2-3 emails a day from this one affiliate.

Look at what he says at the bottom of the email:

P.S. I am under a strict Non Disclosure Agreement, to protect this insider information regarding this product, but call me and I might just spill some of the beans by accident.

I thought that was funny and had to post it.

---------------

EDIT:

It makes me think:

If this information is so great, why are affiliates literally BEGGING for you to buy from them? Why not just use the information and make 1k a day. Who needs 100k a day? Lets get realistic. You have to make 100 / 1k a day first.... Thats what hype is all about..

RC7000

It was mentioned at the presentation - not on the promo.

Yeah, Eben promoting this is funny. He works with long term businesses and this is nothing of the sort.

MaskedMarketer

Why isn't CPA long term?

Won't companies always need leads and to advertise?

The rules might change, but the game isn't going anywhere.

Johnson Tay

Simple.

From an affiliates' point of view, you aren't building an asset.

An asset can be defined as something you OWN that puts money in your pocket for a very long time. That's what being an entrepreneur and building a biz is all about.

In CPA, you don't own the traffic source, assuming you advertise the search engines or other online media, neither do you own the offer/product.

So, would u consider that a business or a biz op?

MaskedMarketer

That's right, when you look at it from an Affiliates view, it might not be long term business.

I would consider Azoogle.com an asset.

Advertising companies/ agencies/ media companies are long term businesses, right?

The game is advertising and lead gen. Thats what affiliates do.

The rules might change, the game stays the same (mostly)

Either evolve with the game or get left behind

I do see your point- but you gotta think out side of the box...

PPC-Coach

I disagree, you're building an asset, yourself.

I consider it a business, it puts money in my pocket and has for a very long time. The assets are my knowledge and experience in generating income by selling other people's products and services online. I don't own the traffic source and I don't own the offer or product but that doesn't mean I don't have a business. By your logic, advertising agencies aren't businesses either. That just doesn't make sense. In my business, I can sell whatever I choose to whoever I choose, whenever I choose, that gives me a ton of flexibility and allows me to diversify nicely. In fact I would wager my business is a lot more stable and long term then the typical blue collar or white collar job in the corporate world.

MaskedMarketer

Great post. I agree.

Its your thinking process that's making it into a "biz op"

Mike Hill

Why don't you start a CPA company for your country and get companies in your own country on board? I'm sure there are a lot of other marketers in Malaysia that would be stoked at the opportunity...

Mike Hill

nobodyspecial

Why all the hype?

Because affiliates are getting between 40-50% commission.

Here's the deal people ... there's the first tier of IM gurus, about 18 - 20 which constantly promote each others stuff. They are the big names, you know who they are.

Then there's the second tier, a larger group with about 100 or so. They also will promote the tier one offerings and tier two.

Tier one usually don't promote tier two.

We the (sh)people have ADD and buy every money making opportunity that comes along.

The launch formula fined tuned. SSDP (same sh*t, different product).

Am I saying the products aren't worth it? No, not at all. 1 man's trash, 1 man's treasure.

Will everyone make $100K/day? No. Is it possible to make that much? Yes, but not everyday, day in and day out. This business doesn't work like this.

Later.

Mike Hill

Well I mean if you cannot afford $5 a day to start then ramp it up as you start making cash then I don't think this is the thing for you...

I started with $5 a day and that was yesterday and I've already ramped it up to over $100 a day just from the cash I've already made.

Mike Hill

Mike Hill

No, no no no... read the report again...

jcaviani

Yeah, Buck and Brock - Pipeline Profits I believe

The 13th Warrior

Does anybody know a good source or information to start a CPA company?

I would assume the number one asset of such a company is be able to do math: Use a tried and true formula to take a companies profit and advertising cost and be able to tell them to the penny how much each lead would cost them and how that transact into a profit.

So you show them that their records show that for every person that gets introduced to their offer or comes in their store, X amount of people buy.

I like what the other guys said. If you can get the traffic, you call the shots, why give a middle man the fruits of your hard work?

The 13 th Warrior

Mike Hill

What's wrong with ramping it up... You certainly don't start with a huge ad spend. I started like this:

$5 per day (made $97 day one)
$25 per day (made $65 average per day)

Now I'll be increasing my ad spend and network to $40 per day.

I will be increasing according to what I make on average and keep ramping it up slowly, but once you start getting into larger numbers and more campaigns going at the same time for different offers it will pay much larger per day!

Mike Hill

Mike Hill

Frankly I like to be able to go and promote the best offers at the time freely and not have to answer to the big corporations as to why they didn't get any traffic today.

If you can go negotiate contracts with the BIG companies then go to it but chances are you'll be wasting your time...

Mike Hill

Mike Hill

Well the CPA companies don't necessarily do the creatives unless it is negotiated in their contract. So the math becomes real easy!

Mike Hill

The 13th Warrior

I would think it's a lot more of "inexperienced" and "unknowledgeable" about the total mechanics of the entire industry.

The 13 th Warrior

edlewis

Well, frankly I'm a little shocked at all the attention the FREE version of the report has gotten...

As Simon and Luke have mentioned, it's really nothing more than CPA 101 stuff.

Is CPA really still that unfamiliar to Internet Marketers? Really?

Again, please note that I have not seen the report or info that will be SOLD....just the info in the free report.


Just an observation - It seems like people love to throw around huge CPA stats, more and more we see it. The problem I've always run into is that most of these big stats thrown around rarely come with PPC stats attached next to them.

Everyone loves to flash their stats but no one likes to tell you what it took to make that.

Traffic is the key with CPA. That means you have to have a way to buy it when you are starting out, keeping your costs lower than your commissions. Sounds much easier than it is in reality.

Otherwise you need a way to drive free traffic to an offer and then everything you make is 100% profit, minus the time you put in obviously.

PPC can be a hassle, but if you have a budget to work with you can make good money at the top end.

For example.....someone spending $20/day to make $25/day is only making $5 a day.

But....someone spending $2,000/day and getting the same return on their money is making $500/day.

Anyone with a PULSE is going to drop that $2k each and every day to turn it into $2,500.....

But don't let the HYPE and salesletters fool you, there is a lot of work involved.

Ed

CarbonSix

I have read the free Arbitrage Conspiracy report and I completely agree with Luke, that none of the information provided in the report was "secret" or NEW! I asked the same questions that many others have also asked like, if it's so secret and they're making tons of money doing it, why on earth would they share it? :confused:

Moreover, why would you want an entire pool of NEWBIES looking to get rich quick, entering into the PPC space and driving up the bid prices or negotiating with the CPA networks and diluting the base of participants?
Certainly both will have a direct impact on profitability!

Somebody will most certainly get RICH, FILTHY RICH, from the Arbitrage Conspiracy program and I suspect that it won't be the folks BUYING into the program!

Cudos to the Arbitrage Conspiracy team. They sure know their marketing!! I think the marketing behind the launch of their program is top notch! Heck, they probably aren't even paying for the marketing.....they have all of us doing it for them!!!

The 13th Warrior

CPA 101.....so what's "TOP SECRET" about that?

Makes you ask the integrity of the product , reflected by the marketing tactics.

The 13 th Warrior

nobodyspecial

I do! I do! I do!

give direct track a call. they run the platform behind 90% of the cpa networks. they'll tell you all you need to know. be aware it's not cheap ... like $25k a year or something.

The 13th Warrior

Good info. You better have a plan and know what you are doing before forking over
$25,000.

The 13 th Warrior

PPC-Coach

Starting your own network is an option, but don't fool yourself into thinking there is very little work involved. My network uses direct track and it costs $10,000 to start then $1,000 per month every month plus any overages when you get more traffic then your contract allows. Most buy into direct track because of the ease of sharing offers through their cross publication back end system. But to be honest, the cross pub is lacking in tracking ability for subids and usually gets scrubbed to death by merchants. Then you get to put up with chasing down payments from merchants who love to take their sweet time in paying you, then you get to deal with affiliates doing $0.05 per day and thinking that you should be kissing their ass because they joined your network. It's not all woe, but there is a lot of work and headaches that you get to take on so don't fool yourself into thinking you can just open a network and be instantly rich with very little work. Most big affiliates won't even deal with you until you're a year old at least.

If anyone has any questions about opening your own network, send me a pm, I just went through it all about 6 months ago and can help you out.

McKay

It's a good overview report of the PPC-to-CPA method. And there's no doubt there's tons more money to be made in this business model.

Idea = $1 Great Implementation = $1,000,000+

Everyone wants to make money (and this system will make you money) but is it the type of business you want to be in?

The "idea" of PPC-to-CPA is only worth $1. It's the way you implement it that really makes the money.

If you're running from system to system because it sounds good... then you need to stop... do some real soul searching about what type of business you want... and then FOCUS on that type of business.

Rushing into this system just because it sounds good will not make you rich.

The downfall of every major million dollar idea... [drumroll]... lack of action.

Doesn't matter what action. You can take 1 action per day and can get it 80% wrong and still build a money making empire. But if you take 0 action then's it's a guaranteed failure.


If you forget the $100k per day they mention and you can honestly say this IS the type of business you want to be in...

AND

...you have some start up capital to invest (or will work your a$$ off to get it)...

AND

...you will take action with the information you learn...

Then go for it!

If not, figure out what type of business you do want to run, find the Warriors who will teach you about how to do it successfully and get started with it.

McKay

Rykel

If just starting out with CPA's, what kind of website do you need to create the appropriate "appearance" they are looking for? Should it look like a content affiliate page?? Help...

RC7000

They do direct linking and sometimes a landing page.

I really wouldn't recommend dropping $2,000 on this.

I've also heard all the 'gurus' were flew in for free to create hype, and the few people that paid $10,000 to come covered the 'gurus'. Only heard that from a friend so maybe not true!

PPC-Coach

Good post McKay, the bulk of people want the big money, but they don't want to work for it. Instead they jump from "magic pill product" to "shortcut product" day in and day out. They'll never make it until they understand that no matter which business model or strategy you're going to follow, you have to actually do it to see any results. Paralysis by overanalysis is huge in the "make money online" world and especially in the PPC world because now it's your money buying the traffic. That means everyone wants their first campaign to be picture perfect instead of just getting it up and running and giving it a chance to produce profit. A crappy campaign is worth 100 times more then 1 perfect, yet to be launched campaign. I've seen it thousands of times.

nobodyspecial

The tone of your post shows two things:

1 - You do not understand owning the vertical of a category/market.
2 - You've never tried to setup a direct deal or did and failed miserably.

What JCaviani is talking about is finding a market with high ticket items (let's say average sale $100k). You find contact a few co.s and ask them if they'd like leads for free. You generate leads. If you send someone 100 leads and they make a couple sales @ $100k average, they'll be knocking down your door for more and willing to pay big bucks. You simply ask for a % of the sales say 10-15%. $15k will buy alot of adwords

NeoAkira

Hello Warriors,

this is an interesting Thread and I am also interested in this Arbitrage Business and it seems that this Guys found some interesting Strategy's to make a bunch of Money. But nobody asks how much Money they do invest to earn this income. I did a little research and found a video on youtube that seems to be truthful and is not hyping the whole thing. The Guy on the Video was also in this Las Vegas Meeting and is an Affiliate with the Arbitrage Conspiracy (No, it's not me).

The interesting Part is that he says that they invest about $250,000 per Day to earn between $300,000 to $350,000 what results in the $50-$100,000 Net Profit per Day.

Furthermore he says that this System is not for everyone and that it is to complicated for most normal people.

But look for yourself, here is the video (or not! can not link here)
go to youtube and search for
"Arbitrage Conspiracy Warning - Brad Fallon Las Vegas Meeting"

I found this Video interesting and want to share it with you.
There are more Videos on youtube. Just search for "Arbitrage Conspiracy"


NeoAkira


P.S.: This is my first post.

P.P.S.: This is a very informative and nice forum.

Rykel

This is a great thread. I'm a newbie to interent marketing, so take my words accordingly.

It appears to me that much of what is being said on both sides is probably true. These guys are putting on a helluva pre-launch campaign, thanks to the big name internet marketers who did attend free in Vegas (only a few paid). You can't blame any marketer for using "facts" freely to support their efforts. I'm sure Aymen did make $100,000 one day, maybe even several more, but I'd bet my bottom dollar he averages far less than that, although still mind-boggling ching for the average marketer. And I'm sure his costs at some point, and maybe still occassionally, were 20-33% as quoted in the report. I'd bet that one of the many reasons he's starting his own CPA network is because the margins are shrinking using PPC, and they'll shrink some more after the thousands of people who jump on this bandwagon start competing.

I do agree with the comments about iniative and action. While thousands may sign up at launch, I would say only a few hundred will have either the capital or work ethic to stick it out past a few months, so there may be a spike and then a return to just above pre-launch levels of competition. In this pre-launch phase I certainly wouldn't expect to see them reveal any of their unique strategies, so it shouldn't be surprising that there's no "meat" in the released report.

Lastly, my sense, is that Aymen definitely belongs to the abundance-mentality school of internet marketing and that there is enough to go around. However, besides the couple million he'll make at launch (while paying his internet buddies a couple million in affiliate fees), he's buying himself a built-in loyal following of Publishers that will certainly be his prime customers for his new CPS network, which allows him to hit the ground running in a big way. And did anyone say he was walking away from the income he's producing now as a Publisher? I doubt it, even if its spun off to others with profits back to him. So really, he's not giving away much of anything. When all of us are battling it out in the red seas trying to buy adwords, he'll still be counting his millions (which he deserves assuming he can deliver to us). From a totally selfish standpoint, I hope he charges $2,000 so it weeds out some of the people who will gum up the works trying over the next few months!

Mike Hill

Whatever.... you don't even know the half of it when it comes to this Arbitrage Conspiracy stuff!

GerardWon

I'm sure this is NOT a scam-- my dum grandma w/out a clue as to BH can make a fortune ... James S. >>yea rite !

Ebbi

WHY in the world are people stuffing there affiliate links
here at the WF? about 5 people have now tried this and
few others have it in there signature just hoping for
someone to fall into the "trap"

Show a little bit more respect and stop this BS

Ebbi

Stanp

I have just got off of the conference call they had tonight. Has anyone had a chance to listen into what they had to say? Aymen even mentioned that he would give a money back guarantee no questions asked. Also provide a $500 additional money

I know that this product is going to be probably about 2,000 or even more but I was wondering if anyone else on here is interented in purchasing it?

I feel some what skeptic about somethings but it seem this guy really know his stuff.

GerardWon

google adsense is going to make a killing!!

PPC-Coach

I got this email in one of spam email accounts, (set up for those annoying squeeze pages that they force you to go through), and it said this:

So is it facebook apps? I'm confused. What's that got to do with ppc to cpa offers?

Chris Lockwood

That's not negative- it's the logical question to be asked about this, but hardly anyone asks.

If they make $1 million from their launch, that's only 10 days worth of what they are already supposedly making, so why go to the trouble of creating a product that will just create more competition for them?

A straight answer to that would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Louis Raven

All I know is I'd be pissed off if I paid $10.000 for someone to tell me "PPC to CPA!" lol, what help is that?

This whole thing boils down to one thing, how good you are at PPC.

If you're good at PPC you can make money with anything.

Also, the methods outlined may be great money sources but if you think a business is simply getting PPC visitors to an offer you're seriously mistaken. when you're 60 years old and want to retire do you really want to be scouring Hydreverbluezoogle for a great offer paying you for a toolbar download?

Louis

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