Harlan

This just came down the chute:

Totally worthless.

Bottom line.

Sell first. Build systems second;

Today is the day the doors open!

We are just finishing uploading the first of
the videos and are tweaking and preparing the
membership site for our huge new team of
arbitragers! (that means you!)

You will be receiving an email later today
with your links and login info.

Today you can expect a nice overview of what's
to come and a special bouns waiting for you.

As the week progresses, we will have even more
content and bonuses that we will be uploading
regularly - all of which you will see when you
login.

So get ready... it all begins in a matter of hours!

Aymen and the Arbitragers

PS: **We will be doing our first live coaching
call later this week - details will be announced
soon - keep your eyes peeled!**

They are doing a live coaching call but can't announce the date
or the time.

Sheesh.

They probably don't have a bridge line yet.

They are so not ready.

Harlan D. Kilstein Ed.D.
Free NLP Communications Course at http://www.nlpcopywriting.com
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templar

I am 6 hours ahead of the east coast...so it's getting a bit late for us.

If anyone is thirsting for knowledge, this video was released freely today:

CPA Training Video 1

Even if you don't join Arbitrage Conspiracy, that should be enough info to get anyone into cpa profits.

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Noah Fleming

Harlan,

You'd think with all the heavy hitters pushing the buttons and pulling the puppet strings early on, saying "just how good this material is" things would have been done a littler better.

Brad really attached his name and face to this. That's too bad for him.

I guess as long as the commission is high enough, there is no need to see the actual product/back-end/system in place/what you're telling your subscribers to buy, before promoting.

Sadly for the promoters, your subscribers will remember this this next month when you want them to buy through your affiliate link again.

Oh well, as long as you get your "special bouns" it should all be worthwhile. :-)

n/m

I'm sure the product is going to be great and well worth that wait, but it's sad to see everything that has transpired from this.

asr_guy

I heard from Brad Fallon that he was in Vancouver, and I was there last weekend, so I reached out to meet up with Anthony and shot that video in 1 take. Simple story really.

The drive back home over the mountain passes was not as simple and my wife's still nagging me for it

Compare Affiliate Software

Jeff Olah

Nothing new here -

They are still ignoring the refund requests also.

Super job Aymen!!!

Thanks

Jeff

zinko

Please don't let this be another Pipeline Profits!!!

I don't know if any of you signed up for that, but it was a circus from the get go, and ended up being a disaster. Tons and tons of refunds because of incomplete information and poor planning.

Not panicking just yet.

mikep791

I never bought Pipeline profits. Who created or sold that program?

So far I still did not get my login info. I don't understand how they could be producing the material now. If it was ready it would have been released by now.

Mike

zinko

Pipeline Profits was a program created by Buck Rizvi and Brock Felt. Buck is actually one of the testimonial videos on the sales page. It was promoted by every big name......long story short, it was a mess from the point of purchase to getting emails to not answering questions, to a lot more.

It's not fair to Aymen to compare this to that in any way just yet. I hope it's a fantastic program.

Now, bring on those login details already.......LOL

Harlan

The heavens just smiled on you.

Take the money and RUN.

Harlan D. Kilstein Ed.D.
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sevenish

I noted in the free pre-sell document that bidding on trademarks and merchant domains was a big part of the recommendations ... at least within that pre-sell document.

I used to do that and did ok with it until the end of 2007. Yeah, I lost some accounts by doing that since it's against many TOS. Being something of a dumbass, I had forgotten to really read merchants' TOS.

Bidding on trademarks and merchant domains can and will get your accounts closed, and commissions earned withheld. This depends upon the merchant, of course. But I can see why this great tactic was given for free ... since it's not a very good tactic.

100% atrocity-free! No annihilations, assasinations, explosions, killers, crushers, massacres, bombs, skyrockets or nukes.

mikep791

LOL, I guess they are getting so many requests for a refund it was an automatic reaction.

Also, I would say that I don't blame Aymen for this. I suspect its a lot more complicated than we know. I think the gurus came in to help him but instead probably complicated matters.

danhughes

I have done very well following these 2 pieces of advice. They are also the take away from this whole bundle of fun.

If Jerry West says do something, do it.
If Jerry West says don't do something, don't.

RBum78

So, what guys do u think, will u recommend it?

The 13th Warrior

I know you are not talking about the NBA logo, so who is Jerry West?

The 13 th Warrior

docmatt

Jim-

Take your emotions, hopes, and dreams out of this- Don't believe the hype- Take your money and RUN-

Eric Graudins

I have absolutely no interest in this, other than as an observer.

Aymon (or whoever is really behind this).
You need to wake up and smell the coffee mate.
Your balance at the bank of credibility is rapidly approaching zero.

And the marketers who've been singing your praises have already moved on to the next "must have" products. Mike Filsaime for example has already sent out promos for Google Ambush, and Frank Kern.

I really hope that all the purchasers who believed the sales letter you put out, and put their trust in the recommendations of your affiliates are not disappointed.

Because if you don't deliver, then you've not only wrecked your own reputation, but that of many others.

All the best with the rest of the delivery. I hope it goes better than the launch.

Eric G.

The biggest benefit of the internet is that almost everything can be automated.
The biggest curse of the internet is that almost everything can be automated.

Jeff Olah

So...

Sunday and Monday have come and gone and I have been requesting a refund since last Thursday.

Still no Answer - Although this was posted yesterday morning on their blog:

Marcelo Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:12 am
So I have a suggestion. One`s question might be someone else`s doubt, so why don`t post frequently asked questions here in the website. It would be a kind of write once, respond to everyone. Then just email those pointing them to the FAQ page.
Thank you.

Thank You For your suggestion Marcelo, we appreciate it. We’ve been overwhelmed with the sheer from our members. All questions should be answered in the next couple days. Please bear with us. You won’t regret it. For those who can’t wait, refunds are going to be issued at worst by Monday.
Course Starts for everybody on Monday. Logins will be emailed.


I guess I will just sit and wait some more - If you haven't put in for your refund yet, I would do so very soon.

Thanks

Jeff

Lance K

Still no message containing login details.

SEORundown

Jerry West Is an Certified SEO Expert. He is also one of the best affiliate marketing Guru's. He runs some very successful CPA campaigns in some very profitable networks. He is the CEO and founder of webmarketingnow and seorevolution. He is a faculty member of stompernet. He also has one of the best databases of information that he test on several hundred domains. He has a low ticket membership and like any faithful member of his I highly recommend you add his membership to your resources. He will be the key to your success in the future. Any of his members will verify that! You will get ten times farther with his database then you would with the arbitrage conspiracy... Trust me check him out it's worth your time.

Anyways I know this sounds like a plug but you asked who he was, and as you see if your a member of his you are an advocate for him.

nobodyspecial

Just received this email:

-------------------------------------

To all Arbitrage Conspiracy Customers,

First, we want to thank you for your patience. We knew
the Arbitrage Conspiracy launch would be big, but we
never expected the huge stampede of people wanting
to learn how to make upto $100,000 a day!

Our staff has been answering emails and working
non-stop to get the membership area ready. There's
been a slight delay with the login emails being sent.

The membership platform we chose wasn't capable of
handling all the information we want to upload, so
we are looking for another solution.

Some posters on the Warrior Forum are frustrated about
the small delay. We understand, but promise it will be WORTH IT!

To prove we are working hard for you, we've setup a webcam
in our office showing our staff working hard. You can see
a short segment of the video by clicking the link below:

Arbitrage Conspiracy Staff

Thanks for your patience.

The Arbitrage Conspiracy Team

==========================















Of course this isn't real, but it may as well be LOL.

M3C

Out of their minds for launching before the product was completed and the site was stable.

This lot couldn't organize a screw in a brothel.

Eric Graudins

Although I'm trying hard to keep an open mind, I must admit that it's looking more and more like a shit sandwich. You don't need to take a bite to work out that you shouldn't eat it.

The biggest benefit of the internet is that almost everything can be automated.
The biggest curse of the internet is that almost everything can be automated.

nobodyspecial

Here's the login email:

=======================


Hi ########,

Here is the info you have been waiting for!

Please keep the following login information safe and do not share them withanyone. You'll risk losing your membership if our system shows that
your logins are shared by multiple users.

Go ahead and login now to start watching the quick start videos!

Your Username: ######
Your Password: #######
Login URL: THE ARBITRAGE CONSPIRACY


Enjoy your membership and be sure to look for your surprise bonuses, which we will be adding regularly!


To Your Success!

The Arbitrage Conspiracy


=======================

I'll report back with what's in the member area:

M3C

There's no doubt it will all come together in the end, hey the content might even be "ok" , but the launch has been a lesson in exactly how NOT to launch a product.

nobodyspecial

They have posted the schedule in the member's area:

Week 1 is Jan 5-9.
Week 2 is Jan 12-16
etc.

There will be bonus 13th week.

The text for the guarantee is this:

100% Unconditional 30 Day Money Back Guarantee #1

If for any reason in the first 30 days you don't see the incredible value in this training, simply contact us for a full no questions asked refund!


*****************

Our Iron Clad Bullet Proof 125% No Risk Guarantee #2

If after following our entire 12 week system step by step, creating an average of 2 campaigns per day (approx 30 minutes each once you perfect the process), you have not recovered the full cost of the course, simply send us your logins to verify the campaigns you’ve built and revenues generated, and we’ll refund you every penny PLUS an additional $500!

We’re so CONFIDENT our system will make you money that we are willing to pay you an EXTRA $500 just for trying it out.

** Seems the 12 week guarantee has been rescinded.

There is a 7 minute video welcoming people and stating what is contained in the course. No course information yet.

The "Surprise Bonuses" are 7 giveaways from Brett Smith on SEO:

Bonus Package #1 - 7 HUGE Bonuses - all 100% great content!

Bonus #1. SEO Success Blueprint, Lesson -
(Discover How To Build A Site That The Search Engines Will Love)

Bonus #2. SEO Success Blueprint, Lesson -
(Keyword Research & Sneaky Competitive Spy Tactics)

Bonus #3. Link Building Bootcamp Webinar Recording
(60 mins of solid video content)

Bonus #4. Balls To The Wall Interview - Hear Copywriter Dan Lok Grill Me On Getting Free Traffic & Top Search Engine Rankings

Bonus #5. I am also going to throw in access to an upcoming Webinar
(How To Setup & Optimize A Blog For Free Traffic & High Rankings)

Bonus #6. (How To Setup & Optimize A Blog For Free Traffic & High Rankings) - Note: I will send you an email once I have my presentation finished: Video

Bonus #7. JUST ADDED: One FREE One-On-One phone strategy session with Brett T. Smith (a $500 value)
(Very fun and educational strategy call about your online business)

*** SEO, blog, free traffic? WTF does this have to do with PPC? Nothing.

SUMMARY
=======

1) There is no Arb Consp. course content in the member's area
2) 7 freebie "bonuses" (value=worthless) to keep us distracted/busy and to hide the fact there is no course content in the member's area.
3) Weekly schedule confirming course "officially" begins Jan 5th.
4) Guarantee #1 is for 30 days (from course beginning or purchase is unclear)
5) The Original Guarantee #1 (try the whole course for 12 weeks) has mysteryously disappeared.

My intention: I'll continue to wait for some course content to see if this lemon turns into lemonade.

nobodyspecial

How can you state "there's no doubt it will all come together"? Based on the performance so far, that's a pretty tough call.

Back to optimizing campaigns

M3C

Well ya know, was trying to be optimistic :-)

My point is I guess, that it's not one giant scamfest, the consipiracy theorists are working over time.

The backing it has, the people behind it means it's all going to come together EVENTUALLY in the sense folks will get logins, get access to information etc as opposed to being simply ripped off.

As to how good it is, that's an entirely different question..

M3C

Strewth so after all this, there's still no actual real course content until January 5th, you just have a couple of vids and some freebie bonus stuff ? Gotta wait another 3 weeks before it even gets moving?

Possibly the worst launch and implementation I've ever seen.

nobodyspecial

Here's the "welcome letter" ... says there will additional content coming in the weeks before the official start date:

----------------------------------------
Hello and welcome to the private members area of the Arbitrage Conspiracy!

I want to start by congratulating you on your decision to become a traffic arbitrager! I am 100% confident that this will prove to be the best decision you have made all year.

There is a catch though... you have to WORK at being successful! The more time you put in the better you will do, and the quicker you will be able to achieve financial freedom.

Everyone who works at this WILL succeed - that is a promise, so remember that!

What do you need to do to get there?

Simple! You need to follow along all of the lessons that we provide for you, come to our weekly live coaching calls (or listen to the recordings) and apply everything we teach.

The good news? It isn't hard!! But does take some time, commitment and patience. This is no different from anything else worth having... you have to work at it, but you will be VERY well rewarded when you do.

We are starting out today with some overview videos to get you prepped for what's to come.

We will be uploading more videos as the week progress, with action steps you will be able to take right away. We will also be holding our first live coaching call this week! So look out for more info on that.

NOTE: The "Official" Week 1 will begin on the first Monday in January (the 5th.) We have structured it in this way to allow new members who are still joining us to begin at the same time as those who already have. We also want to avoid getting in too deep over the holidays, when most peoples focus will be on family.

However we WILL be sending over a lot of great useable actionable content before then, so keep your eyes open.

So again welcome aboard...you are in for the ride of you life!

To Your Success!

Aymen and the Arbitragers

=========================

Aymen and the Arbitragers ... cool band name

tradermike2008

Ok then that demonstrates to me that these guys are liars. They sent out an email yesterday saying you had to buy, because it was going to start on Monday and the sales page could go down any moment. Well it is six in the morning the sales page is up and they are saying the course doesn't start until January. I assume either they have the course and don't have the sales they want so want to use the rest of the month to squeeze out more sales or there is no course yet.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com

shukes

Hi,

having read all that, has anybody actually gone out and invested in the product and if so, waht are your conclusions of week 1 of the 12 week training course. We can all sit and speculate as to what it will be like and what it is similar to.

shukes

http://workfromhomeopportunities.biz
http://whoispetershuker.com

Andrew Parry

The introduction video also gives more information that questions of the credibility of Aymen and the initial sales page. It says that they had planned to charge a monthly charge but decided not to after reading comments on the blog which suggested people were struggling with affording the course in this economic climate. He tried to spin it so they were looking after their members and lowering the cost.

This is BS. If there was to be monthly payments this should have been clearly disclosed on the sales page and not in the small print. However, I think they never planned to do this but Aymen just said they have dropped the monthly payment plan to make it sound like everyone is getting a discount. Either way, it is disingenuous.

On a more positive note - the course content outlined on the videos looks pretty good.

shukes - not sure if I have misunderstood you but no one can have any conclusions on the first week of the course as it does not start until 5th Jan.

RBum78

Has any warrior purchased it yet?

Harlan

My welcome email did not come on Monday. Big deal.

When I logged into the member area, we got a special bonus - a 13th week free. Big Deal.

And we got a video of Aymen telling us how smart we were for buying the course.

Zero content.

Absolute zero.

I'm giving them two weeks.

And I don't believe the BS about waiting for January for the content.

This may go done as the worse IM launch in history.

People want access to the information - NOW.

This whole thing was too damm fast.

Basically, none of the course is ready.

First sell the thing.

Then create it.

If they think this counts as content, they are out of their minds.

And to the credit of the gurus who endorsed this, the have a huge
level of professionalism.

Brad Fallon, Mike Filsame, etc.

They don't want to be associated with a crappy launch.

I bet they are disappointed as well.

Peace.

Harlan D. Kilstein Ed.D.
Free NLP Communications Course at http://www.nlpcopywriting.com
http://overnight-copy.com
Get Fit In Four Minuteshttp://just4minutes.com
Learn how to build a Super Site Without SEO http://supersiteformula.com

nobodyspecial

Dude, what planet are you on?

Don't you see people commenting on the content of the member's area?

M3C

Thought the same but didn't want to post and keep it in the limelight.

tradermike2008

Their credibility has taken just as big of a hit as this aymen character in my opinion.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com

nobodyspecial

If you go back and watch the "testimonial" videos, you'll see that they are not genuine ... they are scripted.

All the people promoting this are after the commissions ... nothing else.

M3C

At least you didn't post an affiliate link in this post.

nobodyspecial

Don't worry ... I got it!

Link to Templar's Affiliate Links Disguised As An Informative Video

Noah Fleming

LOL
Pretty much every post of his.

SarahMcHarry

I've got my login details and I've watched the introductory videos. The content looks OK to me, as an introduction. Shame the actual course isn't starting yet though.

They have promised material this week to get everyone 'prepped up' for the start. I hope this will include tuition on how to get accepted into the CPA networks. Aymen hinted that there could be help with that, possibly with introductions.

My experience has taught me that it's difficult to get approved into CPA networks if you don't have a record of success. But you can't get a record of success if you can't approved in the first place :-(

In last week's email they also promised that on Tuesday (today) they would announce who qualified for the various 'first in' bonuses. Has anyone heard anything about these?

Still living in hope that all this will work out OK,

Sarah

Lance K

Sarah,

FYI...It's against the rules to use affiliate links in your sig file.

The 13th Warrior

L-O-L.

Can I go to a Kosher Deli and find this treat? Leveticus may support this dietary cuisine.

Does pickles and mustard go well with this sandwich?

Is there a discount special with the purchase of chips and a medium drink?

Does it have its own Au Jus juice for dipping?

The aroma and sweet memories of mamma's home cookin?

A MickeyD"s, Jack'n'the Crack, TacoFail 99 cent NEW menu item?

L-O-L....I'm dyin here, lol...

L-O-L :-) :-) :-)

The 13 th Warrior

The 13th Warrior

Maybe it has happened already, but I'm curious, what would a "guru" have to do to make up this potentially ding on his rep?

What has been done in the past, or has it ever been done?

I would probably come up with a killer product , guaranteed to work for almost anyone,and any subscriber of mine that show a reciept for a refund or bill for a lousy course I recommended would get it for free, as one idea.

Guess we are going to have to wait till January to see whats up.

The 13 th Warrior

Lance K

Those were pretty much the feelings I got from it too.

IMChick

It's no fun to get a glimpse of the man behind the IM curtain, Toto.

I have had some 'unfortunate' experiences with big-name launches starting when the course wasn't written yet, or when the product was still in 'beta'. One course left us in the lurch at module 3 for several weeks while spamming us with links to their old and outdated off-topic courses, all the while scrambling for content and telling us how 'great' we were. I already knew I was great, and didn't need canned autoresponder copy from a complete stranger to tell me that-- I just wanted to know what was in module 3...

Talk about learning IM the hard way. Most of my lessons are in crappy customer service and course creation and delivery, not necessarily the subjects I signed up for. So my b.s. detector has gone right off the scale on this launch.

I think if you have purchased this course, or any course that presents these kinds of launch issues AND if you have any doubts in the back of your mind about the commitment you made, it's time for you to reevaluate your circumstances. I know that things can change on either the student or teacher side and sometime things need to be tweaked a bit. That's not exactly what's going on here, though.

Consider this a new opportunity because you now have a chance to either re-commit and accept all of the newbumps and bruises in the newly revised offering or you can get out of it and move on. Your 'hunch' with thank you for listening this time. It rarely works out if you're forcing the course to mold itself into what you wanted originally.

As far as moving on goes, have a strong look at the sales page where you signed up. You did keep a screen shot PDF of it in your course folder with WarriorPDF before you clicked 'buy now" didn't you? Make a list of all the non-hype facts that attracted you. What kind of knowledge were you seeking from this course? Now find it elsewhere. Ask other warriors for guidance in this search. Reevaluate and sign up for the other guy's coaching program in the same area for the same or less money. You'll be more productive and get much more out of your new choice.

IMChick

This is precisely what I said. Modify your plan. Get to where you're going. If these guys can't offer you what you need, find it elsewhere. It's not true that this is 'one of the few'. It probably is true that this is not one of the best.

jajaip

Thanks nobodyspecial for the detailed post!! Has anybody posted the AC new member "welcome video" yet??

RC7000

Save your money.. just found this...

CPA Arbitrage