Eric Graudins

Forget the Shock and Awe.
Anyone for some "Sock and Awe.
(Just replace George Bush with the Marketer of your choice)
Sock and Awe!

The biggest benefit of the internet is that almost everything can be automated.
The biggest curse of the internet is that almost everything can be automated.

Barry

So after all this ... can someone PM me after this course starts and tell me if it is the road to thousands daily on the Internet?

Sorry I missed the golden path.

I'll even throw in 50 bucks to the first guy that responds.

Thanks,

Barry

http://www.FusionTradingSystem.com

MaskedMarketer

Was he the one who wrote that sale letter?

If a guy is making 100k a day and the sales letter can't hold my attention, that's pretty sad.

The sales letter is awful.

And the only video "testimonials" they put up are from people that are getting paid when you buy it?

Thats unreal.... LOL

Merlinthecat

Just too much uncertainty. I joined up with PPC-Coach instead for some education. Looks like a good spend to me...

mikewa

PAID TWICE
Anyone else pay twice and having problems getting a refund for one of the payments?

I tried to pay with Visa but my card was supposedly "declined" by the shopping cart but I discovered later that the payment went through anyway. In the meantime I paid with Mastercard and that payment went through as well. I have emailed Aymen twice about this, sending him the receipts and requesting a refund on one payment ASAP. The response I eventually got was, "sorry the delays and confusion, you should have received an email with your login details", indicating that he had not read the email properly. I also emailed the shopping cart people but haven't heard back from them.

Anyone else with the same problem?

ianparks

I joined AC on Tuesday 15th Dec' as the sales letter stated that the course began on 'Monday', so I presumed when I joined that I would be a day behind. Upon gaining access I discovered the course would not begin until the 5th January! That's underhanded tactics in my book.

I have sent multiple tickets through their members section to clarify the 30 Day money back guarantee, but as yet they have not even answered a single one....This leaves me very concerned!! Does the 30Day Guarantee begin on the 5th Jan (when the course does) or is it from the date of purchase?

If I do not get an answer soon then I will be requesting a refund. I feel I am being totally 'blanked' by these people after paying a considerable amount of money. With the obviously vast amounts of money they have collected in sign ups, I wonder why they they can't employ a few people to answer these messages.

I do not have a good feeling about this.

Ian Parks.

mikewa

MICHAEL CHENEY - BONUSES
According to the affiliate leaderboard, Michael Cheney is in the lead with 117 sales. I bought through him to get his unspecified "$737 Mystery Bonus".

Silly me!

The bonuses turned out to be:
"Michael Cheney's Pay Per Click Stupid Bloopers"($197 value)
"Michael Cheney's Unspoken Guru Secrets Revealed"($147 value)
"Michael Cheney's $100 Million Vegas Video"($247 value)
"Michael Cheney's $1 Million War Room Briefing"($147 value)

Yes, these bonuses are exactly the same as are available to EVERYONE on the AC website!

I am sure that the other 116 people who bought through Michael Cheney would not be pleased to see this either.

I have certainly unsubscribed . . .

absolutelee

I just read the report! Good stuff! I liked the style. Very clear. I've been experimenting on a small scale with CPA offers, but this has inspired me to jump in.

Alex11

Can anyone plz tell me how to get approved by those CPA networks? I've tried a few ones but without success...

James Schramko

Ouch

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James Schramko

PPC-Coach made some great suggestions earlier on in this thread

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

mido

I sent them 4 emails asking What happened to Fast Mover Bonuses?
Where are the confirmations???
No one single response.

When Mike Filsaime lunched his “7 Figure Code”, the list of the first 500 people was published the same evening of the launch, TIME STAMPED, so everybody knew what bonus to expect.
While not everybody endorses that the list be published publicly for privacy reasons,
it must be revealed that for example:

The people who bought the system in the first e.g. 15 min, it means between 3pm and 3:15pm EST on Dec.11, 2008, will get all 4 Bonuses
Those who bought in the first 30 min get bonuses #2,3 and 4.
Those who bought in the first 60 min get bonuses #3 and 4.
Those who bought in the first 3 hours will get just bonus #4.
And everybody should get direct email confirming this.

So today, 9 days later, there is still no response by email and nothing in private members area.

Either they don't have a clue what's happening there or some speculation is going on.

Alex11

Thanks for the help !

mikewa

Hi Alex

This was covered with some good tips in today's AC webinar which will apparentlly be available on the AC website in due course.

mikewa

12 Week Guarantee
I bought on 11 December when the first guarantee was an unconditional 12 weeks (this changed in later sales letters and on the website to 30 days).

I also emailed AC support to get confirmation of the first 12 week guarantee and have been told that it is now 30 days - or, in fact, only 2 weeks by the time the course actually starts so we have gone from a 12 week to a 2 week guarantee.

My personal opinion is that this is both unlawful and unethical - to be polite about it.

I have bought 3 expensive programmes previously which have had this type of extended delivery timetable and none of these programmes ever finished due to guru laziness, boredom or something more interesting to pursue. Consequently, if Aymen does not publicy announce that he will be honouring the 12 week guarantee that he originally offered, I too will be seeking a refund within 30 days.

Aymen has no reputation to lose and no financial incentive to finish the course (which he admits is planned out but not written / recorded), if the he ignores the first 12 week guarantee. The second 12 week guarantee (125% refund) sounds great but does not hold much water if you work out the costs of 2 sites a day for 12 weeks, PPC, etc etc. You would still be massively out of pocket!

I am looking forward to AC clarifying the guarantee issue urgently, but fear they are still too busy signing up more suckers through the 'gurus' who endorsed the program originally and seemingly continue to support this shambles with more mailings. Shame on the lot of you!

M3C

Or Free all over this forum and numerous others.

M3C

Classy, makes mental note to never touch anything from Mr Cheney.

Cisco

James,
Do you know if Aymen will be offering the course a second time?
Could you find out for me?
They will not respond.... ...been trying for a week that question.

Thanks, Joe

James Schramko

Hi Joe,

I notice on the sales page it (currently :p) says:

"this is going to be the ONLY time this coaching course is going to be available"

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docmatt

Dude, no offense, but don't get your undershorts in a bunch over this- If you've been stressing about this for a week, then they've just manipulated you with basic psychological triggers hook, line, and sinker- Don't believe the HYPE!

Just my 2 c-

Cisco

Lets pretend for a moment that Aymen is not totally HYPE scamming those "went for it", that the course lives up to it's BS Hype Marketing Message, that being the case, how might one obtain the education in it's entirety?

Thanks, Cisco

Cisco

Does anyone know of the credibility of Mack Michaels and his Maverick Money Makers Training?

Jays80

There is a thread in Review section about Mack Michaels, check it out

tradermike2008

Welcome to the world of arbitrage conspiracy. You will find plenty of people on this forum who are affiliates who will try to pump you up despite the tricks and hype tactics - and flat out lies.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com

nobodyspecial

What programs were these?

This happened to Pipeline Profits and Traffic U.

sjchiz

My guess is that Aymen wrote the sales letter because of the lack of hype, all the typos, and broken english in it. I actually didn't mind the letter but did wonder if it was even proof read. If Trey would have written it, there would have been much more hype and pro copy writing skills involved.

deprhino

I will be requesting a refund. Only question is will I get a refund? First impressions are lasting ones. Where is the beef? They were in such a hurry to get you to hit the submit button and you finally get your login info to find absolutely nothing worthwhile on the site. Let's see in the brick & mortar world if you got hundreds of people to pay $2k upfront for a product and did not have it stocked or ready but never told them upfront about this, hmmm it would be CRIMINAL FRAUD!

James Rinehart

papeter

In the UK we have the Office of Fair Trading and Trading standards for consumer protection. I know in US you have the SEC and I was involved with a ponzi company many years ago and successfully managed to get a full £1000 refund from a private club (Le Club Prive) scam in the 90's. I do think anyone with concerns about TAC should contact the SEC and see what they have to say.

This global credit crunch is bringing scammers and fraudsters out of the woodwork. There are a lot of desperate people out there who will stop at nothing to illegally take our cash. Look at Mr Madoff who extracted $50 billion in the world's biggest ponzi fraud.

What worries me purely as a bystander, is the lack of response to purchasers emails. This silence looks to me that all is not well. I hope I am wrong for everyone's sake on this forum. Losing $2K at this time of year would be a disaster for some people who were taken in by the 50K hype a day!

The only problem with contacting the SEC is that it could open a 'can of worms' and the whole TAC thing could be frozen pending a full investigation which could take many months. At least credit card companies will re-imburse you if fraud was found to have been committed. These agencies take these things very seriously and act very quickly to close them down before more people get hurt.

Imagine the embrarrassment for the gurus (Brad Fallon et cie) who helped the launch and promotion of TAC. I can't understand why Mr Fallon didn't make a statement. These guys could be marked men for life!!

How I hope I am wrong!

Eric Graudins

Well, unless the header of the latest email from the Arbitrage Conspiracy mailing list is a lie, Brad Fallon HAS made a statement.
And he's still promoting the hell out of it.

Just read the testimonial below from someone called Alan Casey. Apparently he's making a thousand dollars a day from what he's already learned from Aymen.


===== Pasted from sales pitch sent about 24 hours ago on Saturday. Affiliate links are as per the sales letter.=====

BODY {font-family="Arial"} TT {font-family="Courier New"} BLOCKQUOTE.CITE {padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:"solid 2";} From: "The Arbitrage Conspiracy" <aymen@arbitrageconspiracy.com>

Hey it's Brad Fallon -- I wanted to send you this quick but very
important message (it's time sensitive).

Mostly it's a bunch of free goodies you're about
to get. (The Holidays have come early at Arbitrage
Conspiracy HQ -- thanks to our friend, Eben Pagan.)

If you're in a hurry, click and bookmark both these links

http://affiliates.getaltitude.com/z/79/CD617/
(KILLER Free Video with "The Best of Eben")

http://affiliates.getaltitude.com/z/81/CD617/
A BUNCH of free business insight videos from Eben's $10,000
seminar...Don't miss "DVD #13" that features me [IMG]file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Eric/Application%20Data/Qualcomm/Eudora/Emoticons/%213a-%29%20Happy.png[/IMG]

(Details below...)
But first, I wanted to let you know that Aymen and I are very
appreciative for all the positive feedback about the Arbitrage
Conspiracy -- especially from the new members who are already
starting to see what it's like to learn from a guy (a NON-"Guru")
who literally makes $100,000 a day online.


Like this comment posted on our public blog:

"After applying the teaching of abitrage conspiracy, i started a website with a simple 2 page system, lead capture, squeeze page with a video, and then offers.... and after 2 weeks, im generating over $1000/day for myself... and I havent even finished ramping up my PPC campaigns. im gonna see an easy $2000/day by Jan. 1 - im positive of it!! and im only 20 years old!! This is crazy!"

~Alan Casey

The best part is...it's not too late for you to see what all
the excitement is about. But time is running out, so get in while
you can:

THE ARBITRAGE CONSPIRACY

And if YOU are are still "on the fence" about Arbitrage marketing,
please watch your email the next few days. We're putting together
a "Shock & Awe" Bonus Package that is guaranteed to knock ANY
serious internet entrepreneur off the fence.

We're putting the finishing touches on a bona fide "Mafia Offer" --
one that no one can refuse -- with THOUSANDS of dollars in bonuses
just for checking out the Arbitrage Conspiracy for yourself!

===== End of pasted section ======

Wonder what the4 mafia offer is. Do they come and put a horse head in your bed if you don't buy?

The juggernaut trundles on. Unbelievable.

The biggest benefit of the internet is that almost everything can be automated.
The biggest curse of the internet is that almost everything can be automated.

Harlan

For the record, I'm halfway through their intro webinar which they posted
on their site.

The content covers the really basic questions a newbie would need to know.

So far, I'd give the call a B+.

I think they are seriously scrambling to catch up.

They've done very well for themselves on this offer. Watch them spend
a bunch on support which so far has been dismal.

Peace.

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mikewa

Originally Posted by mikewa
12 Week Guarantee
I have bought 3 expensive programmes previously which have had this type of extended delivery timetable and none of these programmes ever finished due to guru laziness, boredom or something more interesting to pursue.

Xray Domination; Alan Bechtold - E-Publishing Business System; Stephen Pierce's Protege program. The latter sold in Singapore when Stephen Pierce started exploring the sales potential of IM products in the virgin territories of Australia, New Zealand and Asia. Expensive lessons!

If Brad Fallon and Aymen do not even have enough confidence in Arbitrage Conspiracy to give us an unconditional guarantee which gives us a chance to view the whole product (ie 12 weeks) and not just a small sample of it (now effectively about 15 days), then why would anyone in their right mind buy it?

psresearch

One of my main mentors and a very successful PPC affiliate marketer in his own right - Nikhil Parekh - recommended AC and knows Aymen well and recommended the course.

I'm a bit baffled why people keep trying to minimize Jerry West's opinion though with the throwaway phrase that it was based on "only 40 minutes of attention" when he's already explained HOW he reached his opinion through the feedback of several experts who stayed all the way through.

So, why aren't people stating "I'm not sure you can make a judgement on something you only attended for 40 minutes and got the rest of your information from a group of your friends that are experts in CPA offers that stayed all the way through".

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James Schramko

Has Jerry West seen the final course?

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nobodyspecial

The proper US Govt agency would be the FTC, not the SEC (they do securities).

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M3C

Unlikely seeing as Aymen hasn't.

ryan2008

This is a great report and just goes to show you how much money can be made in the im industry.

M3C

Welcome to the WF, and your first ever post here.

MaskedMarketer

Thats funny. I think its funny how all the "gurus" jump on the bandwagon to promote this course that's looking worse and worse.

It might be an excellent course and make people money, but the entire process has been a disaster.

Do we know why the Gaurantee changed during the launch? Did more hackers infiltrate the site?

templar

Based in the latest update from AC, they should have about 1,700 members right now.

Of those, about 1,530 will not do anything, (statistical average), leaving about 170 to make use of the training.

Of that, I expect about 30-50 will actually study it and *get it*.

For those asking for refunds but no yet getting refunded, I am sure they will get to you...I have helped at least one person get one successfully. I just hope they aren't banned from rejoining once the success stories come out.

Training call on Friday was a good B+. Good content, and obviously the cpa masters who make millions per year will not get much from it, but anyone else will benefit from a listen.

Now, for most, it is time we focus on family and friends, and the meaning for everything we do.

I sure hope everyone takes some time to reflect on everything around them, and give thanks for the good things that have come to them.

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billaaa777

An asset has to have a recognizable value.

Cash has value, real estate has value, a car has value, a stock in a company has value or a bond in a company has value.

These values can be determined and sold for what another person values that asset at, at that particular time.

An individual's knowledge has no recognizable value and can not be sold.

It might be valuable to that person, it might be able to make that person money, that person in the future might be able to develop a product or service that has value, at which point it would then become an asset.

It is kind of like your web site, which I have considered joining many times by the way. This business, I am sure makes you a great deal of money. But, the profits it produces are based on your knowledge. If somebody was to purchase your business they could not maintain your profit level due to there lack of knowledge you possess.

So, the value of you web site would be substantially less than a web site that is producing the same income as yours where the management was interchangeable and did not require any specialized skills.

billaaa777

I have contemplated joining this program. In fact I have moved the fees required for enrollment from my money market account to checking account to join the class. I have not for the following reasons. I am interesting in reading comments on the following.

A) The web site offers NO contact information at all.

B) He emails me every few days and I have emailed him back asking a few questions and he has NOT answered one email. What does that tell you about the customer service you will receive if you join the program and need to have a few questions answered? If he will not respond in the sales process, what are the chances of him responding after he has your money?

C) I got my Credit Card out the other night and was going to join. Before that I decide to call my Credit Card Company, Chase Bank and ask them a few questions.



The question I wanted answered was about the guarantee he is offering on a full refund if you are not happy with the course.

What would happen if you asked for a refund and he did not give it back to you? What disputable actions could you take with the company?

This was the response I received from Chase Bank, they asked, "If it was a legal document?" I said I had no idea and hung up the phone.

I looked at his web site again and found down at the very bottom of the page a link to the legal document pertaining to this offer. It is very small and virtually impossible to find with out searching for it.

It states, "They can change the terms at any time."

I called Chase back and read them the legal document.

This was there response, "The guarantee can be changed at any time, there fore if there company refuses to give you the refund, you do not have the ability to dispute the charge.

In essence, I was told the guarantee is NOT worth the paper it is written on.

D) This entire concepts depends on you being accepted by the CPA companies and if you are not accepted it is impossible to make money.

E) Since you are receiving only a few dollars per lead. This entire concepts depends on having very low PPC cost. If you don't not have experience in this field and a track record with Google, from what I understand your quality score will prevent you from ever getting your PPC cost low enough to make money.


Any comments on the above would be appreciated.

KeithOBrien

Hello all...great forum.

I have also looked at Arbitrage and definitely have interest. The marketing/launch is appauling to me (but I get why they did it) but I still want to see if the course has merit. There is a ton of info in these threads so I won't rehash any of it...i just have a few questions for you guys.

I would particularly like to see answers from Luke, James, PPC Coach and Simon (no offense to anyone else).

I am an experienced marketer, but pretty new to internet marketing. I can write copy, but I am a complete newbie in generating traffic. I am a speaker/trainer and already have a business that feeds my soul...so what I am looking for is an internet business that I can study, learn and grow that has minimal customer contact. CPA seems like the perfect fit.

So here are my questions...

1. If not AC, what would you recommend to learn both the basics and the advanced strategies to grow a successful CPA business? In other words, knowing what you now...where would YOU start if you had to start again?

2. Is this feasible to do and become good at, part time? Say, 15-20 hrs/wk.?

3. To successful get to a $200-$300/day net revenue, what sort of budget would I need realistically?

thanks guys, I truly appreciate your time.

Keith

Kyle L Hannah

Wonder what the refund rate on this is right now?


Must be looking pretty scary...

jjkapp

Wow...so you're saying that the knowledge gained by anyone who went to college and graduated with a degree has no value?

Or are you saying the degree itself does have a value...since it is tangible and can be sold (what's the current value of 3 ounces of parchment)?

Or are you saying that employers who hire college graduates are wasting their time, since prospective employees' level of knowledge is indeed worthless? And forget interviews...who cares how much knowledge he/she has...knowledge "has no recognizable value."

Does the term "intellectual property" ring a bell for you?

*end of rant*

I'd venture to say that many "outsiders" looking in to the world of IM would feel the same way, unfortunately. Self-improvement and constant learning have and will always be key to anyone's success...whether they measure the product of that success in the number of real estate properties they own or some other metric (not necessarily "tangible").

internetmarketer99

That's a silly rant.

What he's saying - and what anyone who's run a business (besides an Internet business by yourself) - knows is that an asset is something that has transferable value.

Key concept = "transferable".

Knowledge has value, but it is not transferable in the sense that a commodity is.

Trust has value. A diploma or degree has value. A reputation has value. But these aren't transferable.

Mark

James Schramko

Educating yourself is the most leveraged assets you can ever invest in. It can't be taken away from you and you get to use it over and over again. You don't need to sell it.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

James Schramko

A) There is a blog you can comment on or you can post stuff in here. They read it all. Affiliates have contact option as well so try going through one of them. I'm not saying this perfect - just telling what I am aware of.

B) They are more likely to focus on paying clients right now than waves of prospects. Again, not saying this is great.

C) Don't even think about investing in a course if you have the slightest desire to want to cancel or refund. This is not for you. Approaching a course with that mindset is a recipe for failure. You lack the belief that you can make it work.

D) You do not need CPA networks to make arbitrage work. You can apply the techniques to affiliate offers or do deals directly yourself for greater profits and less competition.

E) Whenever you start PPC the same conditions will apply. Would you rather start your PPC account history making blunders or would you rather start it with the correct techniques that allow your account to get a better score from the start?

There are excellent PPC courses out there like Perry Marshall. Some affiliates also offer PPC training as free bonuses :p. Also, you will be trained how to do this. A- Z. The first pre-training session covered how to join a network and set up accounts with PPC companies. They are committed to teaching everything.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

James Schramko

I believe the opposite. As the launch woes evaporate and the course details surface the stick rate will improve. Bad launch or not - this material will be outstanding and a one-off.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

James Schramko

Hi Keith the course covers A- Z so you can apply your own motivation and prior experience at getting results to the new formula with instruction.

1. Starting again - I would go straight for an internet marketing niche blog with name capture and report on product launches and provide training videos as soon as I learn information. It is quite easy to keep up with a blog for comments and posting new content compared to being a product owner and providing service etc....

I would then learn Traffic, Copywriting, SEO, PPC and affiliate marketing (including list building) as quickly as possible from authority sources relevant to each. Combine them all into your blog and grow it.

Once you know how it works build more blogs and start building lists and running PPC to landing pages on them.

If you get extra keen add products to each blog and be a product seller as well.

You can run you list through CPA offers and also display them on your network.

Then you use all your traffic methods to feed your own network and make refinements. You develop applications as you require them to assist you in automating and tweaking them.

2. You can do well at almost anything if you can put 20 quality hours a week into it.

3. It is a trade between time and money. Money can speed up the time because you are educating yourself from people who already know. Money can provide you a budget to use as you gain experience. Time can allow you to build an organic system that is self growing and does not require paid search.

(I combine paid and free methods).

Bonus answer: Since you are a speaker / trainer you could make a LOT of money running workshops teaching people about IM or business owners about harnessing IM for business. This is once you are competent of course.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

KeithOBrien

Thanks James, I appreciate the quick and detailed answer.