The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

Harlan · 7th Jan 2009, 06:22 PM

We are really sorry, but we had to cancel the live
webinar today. We started the Webinar, however
there were 3rd party technical difficulties beyond
our control.

We are recording a private session that is covering
everything that was to be covered live. This will be
posted inside the private members area shortly.

We again apologize for the technical difficulties. We
are working on making future webinars more stable
for you and the other members.

Talk to you soon,

Aymen and The Arbitragers

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Is any comment needed?

digabot · 7th Jan 2009, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Harlan

I don't think they know how to teach it.

Getting that feeling too.

The fact that they don't have a forum for students to interact and get questions answered is really disappointing as well. It's like they're trying to do as little as possible.

First thing out of their mouths at the failed webinar today was "we're getting a lot of great feedback and success stories from people who started cranking using the action plan".

Just came off like complete B.S.

The real value in my opinion is how they scaled this business to this size in one year. Who they hired. What those people do. What proprietary tools they use to automate tasks. If they deliver that, it will be worth it. If they carry on with mediocrity, this course is doomed.

I'm looking forward to Baxter's Course too but I'm really wary of that guy as well. Seems to put out "opportunity" products whenever there's a launch of something that's similar to something he knows about. ie: Carlos and Lupe's Traffic U and his "Big Internet" product that disappeared. Now ArbCon and his "Dark Side of CPA".

I know several CPA affiliates that had issues with Modernclick scrubbing big time (I think that DirectTrack's scrub settings are certainly part of the Dark Side of CPA). I just hope he doesn't go into CraigsList spamming and other nonsense like some other coaches I won't mention.

Big Product launches with letdown products are getting tiresome. I'll never believe another thing that comes out of Brad Fallon's mouth.

Lance K · 7th Jan 2009, 09:43 PM

Also, that dumb ass Microsoft plugin/software or whatever you call it that you had to install to watch the 2nd preview webinar makes my browser crash every time I try to watch it. I still haven't seen it.

Harlan · 7th Jan 2009, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Lance K

Also, that dumb ass Microsoft plugin/software or whatever you call it that you had to install to watch the 2nd preview webinar makes my browser crash every time I try to watch it. I still haven't seen it.

I can't begin to figure out why they used that.

There's no one home.

Waiting for the webinar which was supposed to be posted.

Waiting for next Monday to see if it gets any better.

Waiting for support to answer me.

Looks like I'm not happy.

nobodyspecial · 7th Jan 2009, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Harlan

So, if I refund, he loses his commission which I will immediately pay him
because his course is worth it.

I'd be interested to see if hold this opinion after reviewing his first tactic. Paying people to fill out offers when the offers are not approved for incentives is fraud.

One mind as well buy a bunch of prepaid credit cards and fill out trial offers themselves for payment.

mido · 7th Jan 2009, 11:18 PM

Ref AC Guarantee

It is simple, if somebody bought it on Dec 10 or 11, the original Guarantee was as stated at the moment of purchase:

"A 100% Money-Back Guarantee #1!

After you complete this 12 week training course, if you don't feel it was worth every single penny and more of your under $2,000 investment, I will refund every give you all your money back with absolutely no strings attached."

But they had the right to change the guarantee and they did on Dec 12 or whenever it happened, so the New guarantee is:

"Guarantee #1 - 100% Unconditional 30 Days Money Back Guarantee

If for any reason in the first 30 days you don't see the incredible value in this training, simply contact us for a full no questions asked refund!"

So your Guarantee depends on when you bought AC course.

docmatt · 7th Jan 2009, 11:27 PM

O.K. - Everybody here- Let's stop obsessing about the guarantee-

It's clear cut- If the guarantee is lame, suspicious; transitory; ill-defined; untenable- Then send back the course!

Unless of course you are a man/woman of faith- Then wait out the 12 weeks, and I'm sure everything will right itself in the end-

I mean, after all of the hype, the multitudionous testimonicles, and the well-constructed sales letter, I think the quality of the content is clear-

Hope this helps someone-

DocMatt

Harlan · 7th Jan 2009, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by jimrpips

That's really too bad, I think Aymen & Emmanuel really are a couple of very nice guys who have built a very cool business, want to take it to the next level, and think they can do a good thing for a lot of people with a 'give away the secrets' win-win approach.

I think they are nice guys who know their stuff.

However, they are so out of their league.

No webinar today.

No recording.

No answers.

WTF?

And they think people are just going to take it?

It's crazy.

Lance K · 7th Jan 2009, 11:35 PM

I joined Dec 10th. Just send an email asking if they intend to honor the original guarantee #1 as it was stated when the program was sold to me.

My 30 days is up on Friday. Based on what I've seen so far, I'm not sure I can justify staying if they won't honor the original guarantee.

So far the most value I've recieved regarding AC has come from James Schramko. He's a class act and is genuine in his support of others. Whatever happens, I'll make it right with James.

Originally Posted by mido

Ref AC Guarantee

It is simple, if somebody bought it on Dec 10 or 11, the original Guarantee was as stated at the moment of purchase:

"A 100% Money-Back Guarantee #1!

After you complete this 12 week training course, if you don't feel it was worth every single penny and more of your under $2,000 investment, I will refund every give you all your money back with absolutely no strings attached."

But they had the right to change the guarantee and they did on Dec 12 or whenever it happened, so the New guarantee is:

"Guarantee #1 - 100% Unconditional 30 Days Money Back Guarantee

If for any reason in the first 30 days you don't see the incredible value in this training, simply contact us for a full no questions asked refund!"

So your Guarantee depends on when you bought AC course.

Harlan · 7th Jan 2009, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Lance K

I joined Dec 10th. Just send an email asking if they intend to honor the original guarantee #1 as it was stated when the program was sold to me.

My 30 days is up on Friday. Based on what I've seen so far, I'm not sure I can justify staying if they won't honor the original guarantee.

So far the most value I've recieved regarding AC has come from James Schramko. He's a class act and is genuine in his support of others. Whatever happens, I'll make it right with James.

If you joined on the 10th, your 30 days ends on the 9th. Count the days.

Harlan · 7th Jan 2009, 11:42 PM

Let know one think I don't think these guys know their stuff.

They just can't teach it at all.

And what they are teaching is not very accurate so far with PPC.

Lance K · 7th Jan 2009, 11:48 PM

Believe me, I am. The question is...will they answer my email on or before Friday?

They answered the last question I had within a day, so hopefully they will.

I'm paying close attention.

Originally Posted by Harlan

If you joined on the 10th, your 30 days ends on the 9th. Count the days.

newsecrets · 7th Jan 2009, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by digabot

The fact that they don't have a forum for students to interact and get questions answered is really disappointing as well. It's like they're trying to do as little as possible.

This doesn't surprise me the least.

The LAST thing they want is a forum where all their students can get together and ask them about: why they changed their guarantee mid-launch... why the program only starts when the guarantee period is almost over... why the first week's content is so disappointing... why their questions aren't getting answered... why customer support is so poor... and all the other aspects of this launch that were handled so badly.

These days, it seems to be common practice for hyped-up product launches to NOT have a customers forum. This way their customers can't get together and talk about how the product over-promised and under-delivered.

For example, a buddy of mine bought Turbo Continuity during a hyped-up launch. This was a script that was SUPPOSED to do one-click upsells. The first thing he sees when he logs in into the customer area, is a video that says the one-click upsell script wasn't ready yet - and that it would be ready "in a couple of days". The merchant also promised lots of uploads "in the next couple of days". Fast forward 30+ days later, the script STILL wasn't ready... NOTHING had been added to the customers area... not even one word of communication from the merchant during those 30+ days... and the 30-day guarantee period was up! That's right - the guarantee period was over and the main product had NOT even been delivered yet!

In cases like these, the merchant is hoping and praying his customers don't discover how much he under-delivered (or NON-delivered), until the guarantee period is over. This is why they DON'T have a customers forum.

Originally Posted by digabot

First thing out of their mouths at the failed webinar today was "we're getting a lot of great feedback and success stories from people who started cranking using the action plan".

Just came off like complete B.S.

And everyone would immediately see through this B.S. if they had a forum for their students to talk about what they REALLY thought about the content.

Which is why they don't have one.

Eric Graudins · 8th Jan 2009, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by newsecrets

And everyone would immediately see through this B.S. if they had a forum for their students to talk about what they REALLY thought about the content.

Which is why they don't have one.

Nothing to stop anyone from setting one up :-) You could do a facebook page, ning forum, - there's lots of free options. Or register an appropriate catchy domain name, get some hosting and set up a Simple Machines forum. There'd be enough people on this thread to start it off !

Harlan · 8th Jan 2009, 12:50 AM

They just answered, it's 30 days from date of purchase.

I don't get to see week #2.

OK decision time....

StevePeterson · 8th Jan 2009, 01:04 AM

FWIW, the PPC method discussed in the 1st week is exactly what Ryan Deiss taught in his First $1000 Partner Program Course Module 2

Both Ryan and Aymen noted this wasn't the perfect way to do PPC. However, both felt there was value in putting up many "quick and dirty" PPC campaigns to note if there were any "signs of life" worth pursuing.

Ryan was looking for 1-2 good opportunities out of 10 Clickbank offers. He would take the 1-2 products that showed life, and then would spend the time to develop a much better PPC campaign and several other time demanding tasks.

It appears to me that Aymen's approach is similar. He quickly puts up MANY campaigns to identify the small subset of CPA offers worth developing and ramping.

Now, if someone was already very experienced with PPC and had access to more advanced Keyword Analysis and Speed PPC tools, he could start with more perfect PPC campaigns right out of the shoot.

Remember, Aymen's teaching a large group of people at different experience levels. Like Ryan, he wants to ensure that beginners won't get lost and can understand all the steps.

He also specifically said this initial PPC method wasn't the perfect way and that he expected more advanced people to note this.

We're only 1/13th of the way through the course. I'm not surprised he didn't jump right into advanced PPC tactics in the first week. I think he said that would be discussed in detail in Week 2 or 3.

Lance K · 8th Jan 2009, 01:18 AM

I just got a reply to my email as well.

I explained that the new 30 day from purchase guarantee doesn't seem right when the course didn't start until 26 days after purchase. And since it WAS NOT the stated guarantee at the time of purchase.

Then, I asked if they planned to honor the original guarantee #1 that was on the sales page when I bought.

This is the response I got...

Hello Lance,

Sorry but the 30 day starts the day you purchased the product.

Sincerely,
Arbitrage Conspiracy
Member Support

I replied that they did not answer the question. And asked again if they planned to honor the guarantee as stated when sold.

The money isn't an issue, but I can think of better things to invest it in than something this disorganized. Whether they like it or not, their inability to effectively communicate and teach the content reflects negatively on the content itself. Regardless of the actual quality of the content.

I'll gladly take a refund if they don't want my money (i.e. won't honor stated guarante).

ToddieM · 8th Jan 2009, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Harlan

Let know one think I don't think these guys know their stuff.

They just can't teach it at all.

And what they are teaching is not very accurate so far with PPC.

I can understand the exasperation that must be brewing in people that are far advanced in PPC. Week 1 must have been a brutal disappointment for you guys.
I think anytime a launch of this magnitude is even contemplated, you're going to have issues.
Let's not forget that it is in Aymen's best interests to train, and to train well. The $1997 (of which he only retains half) is peanuts compared to all the affiliate commissions he's going to make off his successful affiliates.
Because you can get referral monies for bringing in more affiliates to the CPA network, this whole conspiracy becomes a multi-level cash cow for the arbitragers.
Because I do believe he makes huge bank, he's more interested in this end of the rainbow cash, and thus, I still believe he is going to deliver.

MaskedMarketer · 8th Jan 2009, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Lance K

The money isn't an issue, but I can think of better things to invest it in than something this disorganized. Whether they like it or not, their inability to effectively communicate and teach the content reflects negatively on the content itself. Regardless of the actual quality of the content.

I'll gladly take a refund if they don't want my money (i.e. won't honor stated guarantee).

Pathetic! (about the guarantee switch!)

Its like the "gurus" are just one big herd following each other along like mindless robots.

Who ever is leading there little cult- they certainly have them trained very well!

Some people say Copy is more important than Product. I just can't see that being true in this situation...

MaskedMarketer · 8th Jan 2009, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by ToddieM

I still believe he is going to deliver.

These guys already stated they will not honor the guarantee, they promised!

newsecrets · 8th Jan 2009, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by ToddieM

Let's not forget that it is in Aymen's best interests to train, and to train well. The $1997 (of which he only retains half) is peanuts compared to all the affiliate commissions he's going to make off his successful affiliates.

Do you really believe the main reason Aymen is teaching this is because he's launching a CPA network?

I don't.

He's just saying so to provide a copywriting "reason why" - to overcome skepticism that he'd teach what he does to make (as he claims) $50k - $100k a day.

Think about it: if you're launching a new product, do you first launch an affiliate marketing course so you can "train affiliates to market your product"? NO! It takes months, even years, to train newbies and get them up to speed - and who knows if they'll even take action and follow through with what you teach them?

Instead, you would recruit affiliates who are ALREADY SUCCESSFUL at what they do. There are so many of them out there, you don't have to train your own.

Similarly, if Aymen is launching his own CPA network, he doesn't need to launch this course to train his own affiliates. It's much less work - and much more effective - for him to recruit affiliates who are ALREADY SUCCESSFUL.

Now maybe Aymen really is launching a CPA network. But that's NOT the main reason he's launching this course. He's launching this course to make money from the sales of this course, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by ToddieM

Because I do believe he makes huge bank, he's more interested in this end of the rainbow cash, and thus, I still believe he is going to deliver.

Now, I do believe Aymen makes very good money from CPA. But so far I have seen no reason to believe his claims of $50k - 100k a day (consistently, as he claims).

On his website, he shows 3 checks, all from different time periods (I'll get to that in a moment).

You can see that Aymen makes good money. But look at the amounts on the checks - and keep in mind those are weekly checks, and they are from the major CPA networks (which means they probably represent a sizable percentage of his income). Also keep in mind that Aymen probably selected some of his biggest paychecks to display on his website - it only makes sense for him to do so.

You can see his income does NOT add up to anywhere near $50k - $100k a day. Not even close.

And then keep in mind that his PPC advertising costs have not been subtracted yet! (Aymen claims the $50k - $100k is profit, not gross.)

Now, Aymen explains "Oh, and if you are wondering why I am not showing individual days of $100,000.00 it’s because I don’t make that kind of money with just ONE offer, or even one NETWORK."

Fair enough. But if he's making $50k - $100k "every day" consistently, why can't he at least show his paychecks from the major CPA networks, all from the SAME time period, that add up to somewhere near $350k a week? He should have no problem doing so if he's making $50k - $100k "every day" as he claims.

Something's very fishy here.

So based on what I've seen, Aymen is making good money, but he's also probably grossly exaggerating his income.

Kyle L Hannah · 8th Jan 2009, 03:05 AM

I knew this was going to have some major flaws in it. Since the thread about Aymen's past over at digital point forums, and Luke's video on the pre-launch report...

And now the switch on the guarantees ... Hmmmm...

Awful lot of red flags here.

imaddict · 8th Jan 2009, 03:38 AM

Guys...

50-100K/day adds up to 1.5-3 million per month; 18-36 million per year! If you're already making that kind of money with PPC campaigns why in the world would you invest countless of hours to create a complicated product and go through a drawn out launch process that will net you 2-3 million dollars ONCE?!!!

Perhaps because the techniques that supposedly make them that much money don't work as well anymore (due to competition)? Are they flat out lying? In either case, you're being sold a bill of goods.

This has to be the most absurd product claims ever made in the history of internet marketing. It's beyond me how seasoned marketers fall for this crap.

Setting up a CPA network... what a crock of sh*t. If that's what they're planning to do, what the hell are they doing wasting their time putting together a product launch?!!! Wouldn't setting up a CPA network take tremendous resources and time?!!!

One word comes to mind when I think of this fiasco:

baseball

leonmare · 8th Jan 2009, 07:51 AM

Is there anybody in IM that can be trusted? About everything I read in forums in the last two days is flawed or hogwash (Arbitrage Conspiracy & Niches-in-a-box etc). And I thought I could trust Mike Filsaime and all the others promoting TAC!
So I looked at a link on one of the Warrior’s posts (I can’t find his post/name now but I think it was James Schramko) PPC Coach Ithought he was an honest guy but he also has a site by special invite only (PPV-Coach) I Googled PPV and found a forum where it was considered a very shady business. Is that why it is by invite only? James can you explain? I was considering your coaching but would like your comment on this.

I am seriously looking for some ways to do affiliate marketing/CPA but nothing seems to work for me and would like something that works!
Can video marketing as per TrafficGeyser be used in stead of PPC? Anybody help!

Lance K · 8th Jan 2009, 08:07 AM

PPV-Coach is NOT Jame's site. He simply provided a link to the site. If you want more info about PPV-Coach, there is a Warrior by that user name that's involved with the program.

Originally Posted by leonmare

So I looked at a link on one of the Warrior’s posts (I can’t find his post/name now but I think it was James Schramko) PPC Coach Ithought he was an honest guy but he also has a site by special invite only (PPV-Coach) I Googled PPV and found a forum where it was considered a very shady business. Is that why it is by invite only? James can you explain? I was considering your coaching but would like your comment on this.

digabot · 8th Jan 2009, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by StevePeterson

Both Ryan and Aymen noted this wasn't the perfect way to do PPC. However, both felt there was value in putting up many "quick and dirty" PPC campaigns to note if there were any "signs of life" worth pursuing.

It appears to me that Aymen's approach is similar. He quickly puts up MANY campaigns to identify the small subset of CPA offers worth developing and ramping.

He also specifically said this initial PPC method wasn't the perfect way and that he expected more advanced people to note this.

We're only 1/13th of the way through the course. I'm not surprised he didn't jump right into advanced PPC tactics in the first week. I think he said that would be discussed in detail in Week 2 or 3.

Dude, have you even run a PPC Campaign with Adwords lately? If you have, you would probably know that even getting a campaign running like they suggest in week 1 is close to impossible. If you did get it running, it's getting shut off within 48 hours and if you launch more of the same, your account is getting slapped and ALL your ad costs are going to be high for months (if not permanently).

There are ways to do quick tests and get results as to which offers to pursue. Slapping all your keywords into on Ad Group, direct linking to an email/zip submit using Google Search ain't one of em'.

Another Tip: Ryan Deiss doesn't run his own PPC campaigns they are outsourced to Kirt Christensen

digabot · 8th Jan 2009, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by ToddieM

Let's not forget that it is in Aymen's best interests to train, and to train well. The $1997 (of which he only retains half) is peanuts compared to all the affiliate commissions he's going to make off his successful affiliates.

An average CPA Network is not going to make anywhere near $100k a day so I'm not sure what you're saying here.

He'll make more by running the offers with his own in house staff without the middle man so I don't think he even needs a lot of affiliates. I think he got seduced by the "German Network with 20,000 affiliates making a full time income".

RonHamernik · 8th Jan 2009, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by newsecrets

For example, a buddy of mine bought Turbo Continuity during a hyped-up launch. This was a script that was SUPPOSED to do one-click upsells. The first thing he sees when he logs in into the customer area, is a video that says the one-click upsell script wasn't ready yet - and that it would be ready "in a couple of days". The merchant also promised lots of uploads "in the next couple of days". Fast forward 30+ days later, the script STILL wasn't ready... NOTHING had been added to the customers area... not even one word of communication from the merchant during those 30+ days... and the 30-day guarantee period was up! That's right - the guarantee period was over and the main product had NOT even been delivered yet!

In cases like these, the merchant is hoping and praying his customers don't discover how much he under-delivered (or NON-delivered), until the guarantee period is over. This is why they DON'T have a customers forum.

A. The customer bought a product.
B. The vendor did not deliver it.
C. The guarantee period ended.

No product delivery = massive legal liability and exposure to government agencies.

The guarantee is peanuts in terms of dollars and cents.

Do an asset check and "sue the *******s."

If a bunch of people, let's say affiliates (hyphothetically speaking), hyped the product then they all have exposure for FRAUD.

Did the affiliates make any misrepresentations? Did they disclose that they were compensated for their testimonials ON THE TESTIMONIAL ITSELF? Did they make any claims? Did they encourage people to buy the product? Did the affiliates COMMUNICATE with the vendor?

If so, this lends itself to a BAL (Big XXX Lawsuit) or a class action. They're gonna need to make $50K a day (consistently) to pay off the judgments. :-)

Last, but not least, if any of the vendors or affiliates have insurance . . . . . think about it.

James Schramko · 8th Jan 2009, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by newsecrets

And then keep in mind that his PPC advertising costs have not been subtracted yet! (Aymen claims the $50k - $100k is profit, not gross.)

You are making (an incorrect) assumption that all of Aymens traffic comes from PPC.

It does not.

James Schramko · 8th Jan 2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by leonmare

Is there anybody in IM that can be trusted? About everything I read in forums in the last two days is flawed or hogwash (Arbitrage Conspiracy & Niches-in-a-box etc). And I thought I could trust Mike Filsaime and all the others promoting TAC!
So I looked at a link on one of the Warrior’s posts (I can’t find his post/name now but I think it was James Schramko) PPC Coach Ithought he was an honest guy but he also has a site by special invite only (PPV-Coach) I Googled PPV and found a forum where it was considered a very shady business. Is that why it is by invite only? James can you explain? I was considering your coaching but would like your comment on this.

I am seriously looking for some ways to do affiliate marketing/CPA but nothing seems to work for me and would like something that works!
Can video marketing as per TrafficGeyser be used in stead of PPC? Anybody help!

Hi,

as Lance mentioned, I am not ppc-coach.

PPC-Coach is also a Warrior and he runs a PPC forum, a PPV forum and a CPA network.

He is a good guy and runs a great operation. I have seen both of his forums.

There is nothing shady about PPV marketing. PPV is just a different search method.

The main method is it loads pop-unders into a browser when someone visits a specific site or keyword or runs a desktop application for same.

The user is only getting this because they agree to download a toolbar or some type of adware. This is legitimate and they give permission to be served ads.

Read this:

https://adservices.zango.com/Support/Glossary.aspx especially thi part about permission based marketing.

It is NO different to listening to a commercial on a free to air radio station. The user agrees. This is part of the deal.

Some people use this method to self target affiliate links. This is one sneaky trick and it is not permitted by some networks or affiliate programs.

Yes there are people who can be trusted. You can trust me. The best person to trust is yourself. Take full responsibility for your decisions and learn from them.

Also yes you can make great income from Traffic Geyser marketing.

I use all these methods and several more for profit. Anyone who bought AC from me is currently receiving full forum support and will learn about all of them. I will see to it they get a great ROI.

scottyg · 8th Jan 2009, 10:34 AM

Keith Baxter is a good guy. I've meet him. He's a stand up guy. He owns modernclick.com a cpa network.

James Schramko · 8th Jan 2009, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Lance K

PPV-Coach is NOT Jame's site. He simply provided a link to the site. If you want more info about PPV-Coach, there is a Warrior by that user name that's involved with the program.

Some guy in a post above mine was asking for the link and I gave it to him lol. Such controversy

newsecrets · 8th Jan 2009, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by James Schramko

You are making (an incorrect) assumption that all of Aymens traffic comes from PPC.

It does not.

No, I did not make such an assumption. I know Aymen drives traffic through Facebook apps.

Read what I wrote again. I simply said his PPC costs had not been subtracted yet, from those checks that he showed.

James Schramko · 8th Jan 2009, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by imaddict

Setting up a CPA network... what a crock of sh*t. If that's what they're planning to do, what the hell are they doing wasting their time putting together a product launch?!!! Wouldn't setting up a CPA network take tremendous resources and time?!!!

Actually it is already setup...

James Schramko · 8th Jan 2009, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by newsecrets

No, I did not make such an assumption. I know Aymen drives traffic through Facebook apps.

Read what I wrote again. I simply said his PPC costs had not been subtracted yet, from those checks that he showed.

Ok cool, I think it is important to point out he is not buying traffic at Ad Words rates to get this huge profit.

You can get still get clicks for less than 1 cent each that convert as long as you crank campaigns out over and over again and if you are creative.

I recently had a campaign in an offline service industry that got such a high ROI people do not believe it.

$380 spend for a massive return. The deal was creative, and there was zero competition.

Great deals are possible. People who are closed to this will never explore or profit from them.

scottyg · 8th Jan 2009, 10:50 AM

Actually, if you really want to know who started it all and where you will learn the real deal about this, everyone from the arbitrage conspiracy guys to alex goad and a few others ripped all their stuff off from Guaher Chaudry.

If you want to learn the real deal, learn it from him. He has 2 of the very best courses ever written.

payperclickformula.com

and
payperviewformula.com

No them are not affiliate links.

I have them both. They are not cheap but they aren't anywhere close to $5,000. I think between both of them and a piece of software I spent around $1500.00 and you will get the best education on internet marketing ever.

He is the one who coined the term "pay per view" or ppv for short. If you see anyone else using that term, they ripped their stuff off from him and The Arbitrage Conspiracy stole his stuff too.

James Schramko · 8th Jan 2009, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by scottyg

The Arbitrage Conspiracy stole his stuff too.

I agree that GC is a great dude and a legend. He wrote that the AC guys are known to him and that they did well... do you think he feels they stole from him?

scottyg · 8th Jan 2009, 11:04 AM

After reading the free AC report, I know they did. GC hasn't mentioned it in the forums to my knowledge, but I know they did.

sjchiz · 8th Jan 2009, 11:13 AM

Wow! I'm really glad I passed on this one and hope everyone involved finds their way through this sh*tstorm!

The guarantee thing reminds me of the "cash4gold" thing! Although, I'd guess that the way they did it would be cause for some sort of legal action.

James Schramko · 8th Jan 2009, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by scottyg

After reading the free AC report, I know they did. GC hasn't mentioned it in the forums to my knowledge, but I know they did.

They were students of his and he praised their skills.

digabot · 8th Jan 2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by scottyg

After reading the free AC report, I know they did. GC hasn't mentioned it in the forums to my knowledge, but I know they did.

If these guys are actually pulling $50-100k a day net, then they have taken GC's business model to a whole new level.

Gauher stopped promoting for a while and just got back into it for the PPC Formula 2.0 launch in March. Last update, he was up to just over $1k a day after working his ass off.

RC7000 · 8th Jan 2009, 12:58 PM

James Schramko, we all know you're 'pally' with Aymen etc so stop trying to big this up.

It's an absolute load of rubbish.

Google AdWords direct to a CPA offer.. he doesn't mention much about Quality Scores etc....

If I didn't have much money and paid for this I would be gutted!

RC7000 · 8th Jan 2009, 01:14 PM

Who is that directed at?

For the record: I paid for it.

Raemi13 · 8th Jan 2009, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by jimrpips

Just because their marketing people overhyped and their launch people tripped over their own shoelaces and their customer support seems to be two retarded midgets and some old geezer looking for the AnyKey, doesn't mean the material itself is not worth the price of admission.

Week #1 has been a "here, newbies, here's some basic basics, push the buttons and play around a little just to get comfy with all these new ideas, concepts, terminology and technology".

Week #1 has NOT been "here's the secret sauce, spoon-fed, now go make $100K right NOW!".

People, I'm the biggest damned skeptic about this program, just go back and read my posts, I complain about EVERYTHING. But in all seriousness, and as much as I wish Aymen & Emmanuel were better teachers/speakers, I'm pretty convinced from everything I've learned about them on and offline that this is gonna be golden for me as an intermediate-level IMer.

It's pointless to trashtalk something you don't have (and don't plan to have) any personal experience with. If you paid your money, then by all means, rip away

Hi - I'm new to this forum - and I just wanted to reply to this, that I completely agree.

I'm personally going to give this whole course a chance - and I DO believe I will succeed with what these guys will teach us.

robert key · 8th Jan 2009, 01:41 PM

Hey Warriors,

I jumped in the AC and I must say the one thing that pisses me
off is how they have it set up to drag out for 3 months.

Since we're in effect watching videos, we should be able to proceed
along at our own pace.

I watched all the videos for week 1 in two days and I have to sit
here waiting for Monday of next week!

I think I may be leaning towards a refund...

Just my two cents...

Robert

Robert Matthew · 8th Jan 2009, 01:43 PM

I go in on launch day...more out of curiosity then anything. We'll see how it pans out.

Best Offer · 8th Jan 2009, 03:23 PM

Isn't Aymen's Last name Schramko?

PPC-Coach · 8th Jan 2009, 03:55 PM

As for no forums for big launches, that happens because it's a TON of work to keep up a forum where anyone can post any questions they have. Then if someone doesnt' like the product, you can bet they're going to post about their displeasure. This paints a negative picture of the product and the product owners dont' want that. So instead, they don't offer a forum for support and instead work via a help desk where they're dealing one on one and in private. This means complaints aren't heard publicly and saves face for the product. However this doesn't help the people who bought the product much at all. Info product people are not interested in on going support. They're interested in one big hit for commissions then moving onto the next big launch for another big hit 6 or 12 months down the road. That's ok for them, but kind of leaves the purchaser hanging when they go to do their first campaign and have questions on little details. There's no place to turn, so they come to free forums where they may or may not get accurate advice.

On the 12 week issue, I think it's a good idea. While you could watch the videos for each week in one or two days the key is IMPLEMENTING what they're showing you. Too many watch and not enough actually do anything to get going. The reason is they say "that's too basic, I'm not doing that". When in reality they should be thinking, "that's so basic I could do that easily and make a ton of money right away." It all boils down to what they bought. Did they buy a course on ppc to cpa offers or did they buy the hype of making $50k to $100k per day step by step without a list or website. (Implying anyone can do it which is a complete farce.) The ones who make it work didn't by the hype, they bought a course and are taking action. Unfortunately I think the majority bought the hype and will just end up getting refunds when they realize how much time and effort is required.

Just my two cents...

RC7000 · 8th Jan 2009, 03:59 PM

The reason for the staggered release process is because the product isn't 100% ready.

The staggered week release gives them more time.

digabot · 8th Jan 2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

While you could watch the videos for each week in one or two days the key is IMPLEMENTING what they're showing you. Too many watch and not enough actually do anything to get going. The reason is they say "that's too basic, I'm not doing that". When in reality they should be thinking, "that's so basic I could do that easily and make a ton of money right away."

Coach, you're in the top tier when it comes to CPA. You know as much as anyone.

In your professional opinion, would you ever recommend to students (or anyone for that matter) that they start with Google Search by slapping all of their keywords into a single ad group and then direct linking to an email/zip submit offer?

How does that serve new people or somewhat successful people who signed up to take their biz to the next level?

Anyone who implements what they are teaching in the first week is going to cause more problems for themselves with Google than anything else. ESPECIALLY with a brand new account.

Therein lies the credibility issue, the quality issue and the general feedback for this product (both here and at other places on the web where such things are discussed).

7th Jan 2009, 06:22 PM	#1001
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7th Jan 2009, 09:43 PM	#1003
Lance K VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: USA Posts: 3,175 Thanks: 2,758 Thanked 1,308 Times in 783 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Also, that dumb ass Microsoft plugin/software or whatever you call it that you had to install to watch the 2nd preview webinar makes my browser crash every time I try to watch it. I still haven't seen it.
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7th Jan 2009, 11:18 PM	#1006
mido Active Warrior Join Date: 2007 Location: FL, USA Posts: 57 Thanks: 9 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Ref AC Guarantee It is simple, if somebody bought it on Dec 10 or 11, the original Guarantee was as stated at the moment of purchase: "A 100% Money-Back Guarantee #1! After you complete this 12 week training course, if you don't feel it was worth every single penny and more of your under $2,000 investment, I will refund every give you all your money back with absolutely no strings attached." But they had the right to change the guarantee and they did on Dec 12 or whenever it happened, so the New guarantee is: "Guarantee #1 - 100% Unconditional 30 Days Money Back Guarantee If for any reason in the first 30 days you don't see the incredible value in this training, simply contact us for a full no questions asked refund!" So your Guarantee depends on when you bought AC course.
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7th Jan 2009, 11:27 PM	#1007
docmatt HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 206 Thanks: 32 Thanked 103 Times in 73 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: O.K. - Everybody here- Let's stop obsessing about the guarantee- It's clear cut- If the guarantee is lame, suspicious; transitory; ill-defined; untenable- Then send back the course! Unless of course you are a man/woman of faith- Then wait out the 12 weeks, and I'm sure everything will right itself in the end- I mean, after all of the hype, the multitudionous testimonicles, and the well-constructed sales letter, I think the quality of the content is clear- Hope this helps someone- DocMatt

7th Jan 2009, 11:42 PM	#1011
Harlan Godfather of Curation War Room Member Join Date: 2004 Location: Boca Raton,FL , USA. Posts: 1,091 Thanks: 303 Thanked 949 Times in 324 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Let know one think I don't think these guys know their stuff. They just can't teach it at all. And what they are teaching is not very accurate so far with PPC.
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8th Jan 2009, 12:50 AM	#1015
Harlan Godfather of Curation War Room Member Join Date: 2004 Location: Boca Raton,FL , USA. Posts: 1,091 Thanks: 303 Thanked 949 Times in 324 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: They just answered, it's 30 days from date of purchase. I don't get to see week #2. OK decision time....
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8th Jan 2009, 01:04 AM	#1016
StevePeterson New Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: Oregon, USA. Posts: 26 Thanks: 4 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: FWIW, the PPC method discussed in the 1st week is exactly what Ryan Deiss taught in his First $1000 Partner Program Course Module 2 Both Ryan and Aymen noted this wasn't the perfect way to do PPC. However, both felt there was value in putting up many "quick and dirty" PPC campaigns to note if there were any "signs of life" worth pursuing. Ryan was looking for 1-2 good opportunities out of 10 Clickbank offers. He would take the 1-2 products that showed life, and then would spend the time to develop a much better PPC campaign and several other time demanding tasks. It appears to me that Aymen's approach is similar. He quickly puts up MANY campaigns to identify the small subset of CPA offers worth developing and ramping. Now, if someone was already very experienced with PPC and had access to more advanced Keyword Analysis and Speed PPC tools, he could start with more perfect PPC campaigns right out of the shoot. Remember, Aymen's teaching a large group of people at different experience levels. Like Ryan, he wants to ensure that beginners won't get lost and can understand all the steps. He also specifically said this initial PPC method wasn't the perfect way and that he expected more advanced people to note this. We're only 1/13th of the way through the course. I'm not surprised he didn't jump right into advanced PPC tactics in the first week. I think he said that would be discussed in detail in Week 2 or 3.
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8th Jan 2009, 03:05 AM	#1022
Kyle L Hannah Super Affiliate War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: MN Posts: 161 Thanks: 6 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I knew this was going to have some major flaws in it. Since the thread about Aymen's past over at digital point forums, and Luke's video on the pre-launch report... And now the switch on the guarantees ... Hmmmm... Awful lot of red flags here.

8th Jan 2009, 07:51 AM	#1024
leonmare HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Pretoria, South Africa Posts: 227 Thanks: 222 Thanked 50 Times in 40 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Is there anybody in IM that can be trusted? About everything I read in forums in the last two days is flawed or hogwash (Arbitrage Conspiracy & Niches-in-a-box etc). And I thought I could trust Mike Filsaime and all the others promoting TAC! So I looked at a link on one of the Warrior’s posts (I can’t find his post/name now but I think it was James Schramko) PPC Coach Ithought he was an honest guy but he also has a site by special invite only (PPV-Coach) I Googled PPV and found a forum where it was considered a very shady business. Is that why it is by invite only? James can you explain? I was considering your coaching but would like your comment on this. I am seriously looking for some ways to do affiliate marketing/CPA but nothing seems to work for me and would like something that works! Can video marketing as per TrafficGeyser be used in stead of PPC? Anybody help!

8th Jan 2009, 10:34 AM	#1031
scottyg Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: La Grange,Ky , USA. Posts: 54 Thanks: 6 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Keith Baxter is a good guy. I've meet him. He's a stand up guy. He owns modernclick.com a cpa network.

8th Jan 2009, 10:50 AM	#1036
scottyg Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: La Grange,Ky , USA. Posts: 54 Thanks: 6 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Actually, if you really want to know who started it all and where you will learn the real deal about this, everyone from the arbitrage conspiracy guys to alex goad and a few others ripped all their stuff off from Guaher Chaudry. If you want to learn the real deal, learn it from him. He has 2 of the very best courses ever written. payperclickformula.com and payperviewformula.com No them are not affiliate links. I have them both. They are not cheap but they aren't anywhere close to $5,000. I think between both of them and a piece of software I spent around $1500.00 and you will get the best education on internet marketing ever. He is the one who coined the term "pay per view" or ppv for short. If you see anyone else using that term, they ripped their stuff off from him and The Arbitrage Conspiracy stole his stuff too.

8th Jan 2009, 11:04 AM	#1038
scottyg Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: La Grange,Ky , USA. Posts: 54 Thanks: 6 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: After reading the free AC report, I know they did. GC hasn't mentioned it in the forums to my knowledge, but I know they did.

8th Jan 2009, 11:13 AM	#1039
sjchiz Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: USA. Posts: 43 Thanks: 8 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Wow! I'm really glad I passed on this one and hope everyone involved finds their way through this sh*tstorm! The guarantee thing reminds me of the "cash4gold" thing! Although, I'd guess that the way they did it would be cause for some sort of legal action.

8th Jan 2009, 12:58 PM	#1042
RC7000 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2008 Posts: 107 Thanks: 11 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: James Schramko, we all know you're 'pally' with Aymen etc so stop trying to big this up. It's an absolute load of rubbish. Google AdWords direct to a CPA offer.. he doesn't mention much about Quality Scores etc.... If I didn't have much money and paid for this I would be gutted!

8th Jan 2009, 01:14 PM	#1043
RC7000 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2008 Posts: 107 Thanks: 11 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Who is that directed at? For the record: I paid for it.

8th Jan 2009, 01:41 PM	#1045
robert key HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: , , USA. Posts: 382 Thanks: 0 Thanked 57 Times in 29 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Hey Warriors, I jumped in the AC and I must say the one thing that pisses me off is how they have it set up to drag out for 3 months. Since we're in effect watching videos, we should be able to proceed along at our own pace. I watched all the videos for week 1 in two days and I have to sit here waiting for Monday of next week! I think I may be leaning towards a refund... Just my two cents... Robert

8th Jan 2009, 01:43 PM	#1046
Robert Matthew HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 177 Thanks: 5 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I go in on launch day...more out of curiosity then anything. We'll see how it pans out.

8th Jan 2009, 03:23 PM	#1047
Best Offer Warrior Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Isn't Aymen's Last name Schramko?

8th Jan 2009, 03:55 PM	#1048
PPC-Coach VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 4,223 Thanks: 146 Thanked 1,283 Times in 749 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: As for no forums for big launches, that happens because it's a TON of work to keep up a forum where anyone can post any questions they have. Then if someone doesnt' like the product, you can bet they're going to post about their displeasure. This paints a negative picture of the product and the product owners dont' want that. So instead, they don't offer a forum for support and instead work via a help desk where they're dealing one on one and in private. This means complaints aren't heard publicly and saves face for the product. However this doesn't help the people who bought the product much at all. Info product people are not interested in on going support. They're interested in one big hit for commissions then moving onto the next big launch for another big hit 6 or 12 months down the road. That's ok for them, but kind of leaves the purchaser hanging when they go to do their first campaign and have questions on little details. There's no place to turn, so they come to free forums where they may or may not get accurate advice. On the 12 week issue, I think it's a good idea. While you could watch the videos for each week in one or two days the key is IMPLEMENTING what they're showing you. Too many watch and not enough actually do anything to get going. The reason is they say "that's too basic, I'm not doing that". When in reality they should be thinking, "that's so basic I could do that easily and make a ton of money right away." It all boils down to what they bought. Did they buy a course on ppc to cpa offers or did they buy the hype of making $50k to $100k per day step by step without a list or website. (Implying anyone can do it which is a complete farce.) The ones who make it work didn't by the hype, they bought a course and are taking action. Unfortunately I think the majority bought the hype and will just end up getting refunds when they realize how much time and effort is required. Just my two cents...
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8th Jan 2009, 03:59 PM	#1049
RC7000 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2008 Posts: 107 Thanks: 11 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: The reason for the staggered release process is because the product isn't 100% ready. The staggered week release gives them more time.