Black Hat Cat

Yeah, who needs an extra 3 million bucks. I won't even get out of bed for less than $15 million.

Shhh...don't tell anyone, but some people can actually do two things at once. Keep it to yourself now.

James Schramko

I'm not bigging anything up I am putting forward an opinion.

There are new people who are already learning new things and even getting CPA payouts.

I have had no less than 12 people ask me if they can still get it. The demand is there I'm not putting it there, I'm just commenting on it.

There is a very big market out there and we all look through it with our filters.

My filters focus on opportunity and helping others. There are some ignorant comments from knockers in some cases and I don't mind putting some light on it.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

James Schramko

Welcome to the forum new member 'best offer' and your valued contribution. His name is not the same as mine.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

James Schramko

I think a slow release is suited to this type of business model and I agree that a forum environment is best for this type of learning too.

It is making a difference.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

James Schramko

Are you setting up campaigns and cranking?

I know for first timers they can be rushed through this and the timing is working out well for them.

This is where you get real information (backed up by proven results)

beksworld

tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock

IS WEEK 2 here yet?????

mido

Lance, it does not matter what a support guy replied to you.
Aymen and his group is being manipulated by Brad Fallon and co who want to intimidate the AC members as well.
It is a law, your Guarantee is what it was at the moment of purchase.
Ask the Supreme Court judge, lol.

[quote=Lance K]
Then, I asked if they planned to honor the original guarantee #1 that was on the sales page when I bought.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mido
Ref AC Guarantee

It is simple, if somebody bought it on Dec 10 or 11, the original Guarantee was as stated at the moment of purchase:

"A 100% Money-Back Guarantee #1!

After you complete this 12 week training course, if you don't feel it was worth every single penny and more of your under $2,000 investment, I will refund every give you all your money back with absolutely no strings attached."

But they had the right to change the guarantee and they did on Dec 12 or whenever it happened, so the New guarantee is:

"Guarantee #1 - 100% Unconditional 30 Days Money Back Guarantee

If for any reason in the first 30 days you don't see the incredible value in this training, simply contact us for a full no questions asked refund!"

So your Guarantee depends on when you bought AC course.

Mark

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beksworld

Kyle Hannah, I wouldnt talk.....your new product doesnt even have the videos posted on the websight yet.

beksworld

By the way regarding the guarantee....... I figure I can just wait it out and get paid 500 bucks more if I dont make the money. They'll honor that one still, right?

Right?

Hello?????

One more day, decisions, decisons.....

beksworld

Yowza, I hope its not true!

tiffanymor4you

I agree with you Harvey. That particular forum you are referring to is an absolute goldmine worth of information and there's a complete cpa course in there if you take the hours to go through all the posts. You just have ignore and weed through the above mentioned behaviour on the forum.

This is my first post here and I've been following the threads here on AC since they announced the launch and I heard about the discussion here on that other forum.

Having been through Gauher's courses, I laughed in disbelief when I read their first report to the public and the one from the Vegas Mastermind. There was certainly nothing new there and the few techniques they shared were straight from Gauher's course.

It's very obvious that this guy Aymen was on Yanik Silver's Maverick Adventure last summer with Fallon, Filsaime and some of the other so called gurus du jour but it apparently took them several months to call the Vegas meeting in November that everyone has mentioned as being called on very short notice.

I don't doubt that this guy has had a few 100k days or whatever he boasts, but it certainly wouldn't be a good financial move to put on this course if that's what he's doing everyday. Wouldn't he be setting up his own network and focusing on the long term versus an infusion of quick cash from this course?

Has anyone ever considered that this meeting called on very short notice in November may have been a result of this guy's credit limits being lowered to reflect the current economic climate? Doing the type of volume he describes, I bet he's been working off much lower margins and even heard 20 to 25 points mentioned somewhere. Plus, I bet he takes his credit cards points and cash back computed into his margin.

How about he had an offer scrubbed hard or one of his big campaigns died, his credit limits were lowered and he suddenly needs cash? Good way to get it, right? Get Fallon to be the front man since he's American and his Stompernet members who sell physical products on low margin and rely on seo to promote it to their flocks. They'd be impressed with the big ppc numbers and no physical products to handle.

After all, if these guys met on the Maverick Business Adventure held in the summer and discussed this, wouldn't they have had more given more notice for their November meeting so more of the guru flock could be there and have already had the course completed and ready for preview?

Why the rush right before the holidays with no planning? Could this have been a reaction to a cash crisis and Fallon and the guru crowd jumping in to help for their share of the pie?

I'm curious why nobody here has mentioned waiting for Gauher's next course instead of jumping on AC since he's mentioned that it's due out in the next few months? Especially since these guys were his students last year!

I'm also curious why anyone would want to deal with people, two of whom are attorneys (S. Casey and Fallon), who changed their guarantee after launch to protect themselves and go back on their original offer? Why would you want to deal with them given their lack of integrity in this regard?

SarahMcHarry

I agree about this lack of integrity. I'm now on day 28 and I've asked for a refund.

I'm sad about this because I genuinely believed that this course could deliver. But I've been thoroughly disillusioned about the whole deal.

1. When I joined the course on 11 December it was advertised as starting 'next Monday'. After they took my money it was suddenly put off till 5 January.

2. When I joined the course there was the unconditional 30-day money back guarantee. After they changed the start date they didn't change the refund start date so that became a 4-5 day guarantee.

3. The first week teaches direct linking on email/zip submits. I spent a lot of time and effort diligently following the advice to crank out campaigns. In every case they were slapped by Google and I earned absolutely zilch. This advice, from so-called experts, confirmed my suspicions about the honesty of the organizers.

4. This week's webinar was cancelled and has still not reappeared. They are not delivering what the users have paid for.

5. I was not impressed by the quality of the presentations. The videos are garbled, the guy's first language is not English and it's often difficult to make out what he's saying. The written documentation is simply one or two (or no) screenshots of slides.

All in all this is a text-book case of how to rip off gullible punters. I know I ought to be more cynical having been round the block a few times myself but I honestly feel gutted that I have been so cheated.

Sarah

M3C

LOL

I think what the poster is saying is that if your making $3million USD per month , (which of course the guy isn't), then you don't waste huge resources putting together a program where you make $3 million once, and of course he didn't make anything like that much as most of it was affiliate driven, so he probably took a million or so, which equates by his boasts of $100k days to be about 1.5 weeks work.

When you factor in the time it took to generate the course, the support, the long term hassle , of course it simply doesn't add up.

More and people will realise this as time goes on and they could have probably grabbed Alex Goads program for $67 or even a ton of good free stuff that is kicking around and got an almost indentical system albeit without all the pretty videos and the hand holding.

What would drive me mad about it is the drip feed, having to wait week on week for basic information, ppc-email / zip subs... , revolutionary :-)

Look it's a nicely bundeled ppc-cpa program, no more no less, hopefully it will help a few newbies step by step which is what they need, other than that it's just a lot of hoopla spread out over so many weeks to reduce information overload and to reduce the refund rate.

Now repeat after me..

There are no secrets.....

docmatt

I think someone needs to notify the Guiness Book of World Records - This just might take the all-time record for most refund requests in 1 day! (Anybody here have their phone number?)

ClearWater404

==> templar:

have subscribed to AC thru your link - have been trying to get in touch for 2 weeks about the daily support you promised - so far I have no answer from you.

Please get in touch via PM.

Thanks

leonmare

Harvey said:

"They'll teach you how to make monies online.
And I'm a proud member of that forum... "

Harvey, What is the name of the forum please...

Can Gauher's courses be bought at this stage?

Who knows how good Alex Goads course is?

Harlan

I had my refund email ready to send...

It's still live in my Gmail account.

But I decided to log in one last time and found they posted this week's webinar.

Finally, some content - or at least specific questions addressed.

They're making it hard to quit.

Harlan D. Kilstein Ed.D.
Free NLP Communications Course at http://www.nlpcopywriting.com
http://overnight-copy.com
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ClearWater404

Sarah:
I ran exactly into the issues you mention.

Have been following week 1 course and started setting up campaigns (so far 5. Takes me about 2 hrs to setup a campaign, mainly the keyword research and handling the "disapproved ads" events finding out what I can do to overcome them)

Most problems I get is because Low quality score of landing page for email submit offers, direct linking to a landing with no relevant keywords in the html where everything is an image. So my ads don't get any impressions. How are you supposed to test an offer if the ads don't show???

Second, google comes back to me with "inaccurate display URL" while the URL entered is really the domain name of the landing page, which is what google says is approved. Their support only sends me an extract of the policy... not very helpful and seems to be computer generated ...

Finally, I get your point on the mathematics of making a profit on highly competitive offers where keywords cost more than average 10 cents... what I believe is that this is a way of seeing if there is anything happening for an offer before improving and boosting a single offer to make it more profitable. However, to do that you first have to have the right keywords to see if there is hope in an offer...

So far, I agree, have earned zilch from any offers. Will keep on "cranking" to see if I get any results...

==> PPC-Coach:
do you teach how to handle / bypass the landing page issues (quality score of web pages you have no access to) I face?

cheers for now

digabot

I call bullsh!t

tmedocianis

I second that call

chatwithapro

What is wrong with you people?

I am not promoting or demoting this program but...

For you too start bashing and questioning the content of the program after one class is absolutely ridiculous.

It's like going to the gym for the first time and then wondering why you are still fat... HELLO! This stuff takes time and knowledge.

For Heavens sake be patient!

mikewa

I too have applied for a refund. Too many red flags regarding their integrity and the quality of their information so far. I have to admit I was totally suckered by their sales letter through my own greed, but now commonsense prevails and I think that the chances of their delivering what I expect and what they have promised are close to zero.

I have the 12 week guarantee but just don't want the hassle later of trying to enforce it, so I am bailing out now.

Harlan

Not when they changed the warranty period.

That's flat out dishonest.

Oh by the way. I'm doing a seminar in June.

30 Day warranty.

But the warranty started last September.

Harlan D. Kilstein Ed.D.
Free NLP Communications Course at http://www.nlpcopywriting.com
http://overnight-copy.com
Get Fit In Four Minuteshttp://just4minutes.com
Learn how to build a Super Site Without SEO http://supersiteformula.com

Lance K

Well, if you would take all the facts into account it wouldn't sound so ridiculous.

30 day guarantee

Course starts 26 days after launch

If you bought launch day...you have a 4 day guarantee. Even though you bought during the launch and helped carry momentum. But the people who joined the day before the course will get to evaluate the first 4 weeks. The people who helped AC the most by joining during the launch are essentially BEING PUNISHED! These folks are completely clueless on a number of things when it comes to business sense. Regardless of their CPA knowledge.

I don't know about you, but if I went to the gym and hired a personal trainer (who touted a system full of super duper secrets) and all they did was show me how to use a treadmill the first session, but yet wanted me to commit to paying for the next 12 weeks of their program with no protection, I'd be a little tentative to say the least. And I'm quite comfortable proclaiming that anybody experiencing proper brain function would be as well.

HELLO! People aren't bashing the content. They're upset with how the "business" side of it is being run.

If you can't see that after reading this thread, perhaps you are the one who should be patient. Perhaps it'll come to you later.

M3C

Depends on your perspective, to me it seems more like you purchase a gym membership, and the gym changes the insurance terms, then it tells you your 12 month membership can't start for another month due to a leak in the roof, then it tells you it will only allow you to use 1 machine per week and finally you find out the first machine or so is a pile of poo.

DonDavis

I can think of at least 6 totally botched product launches in the last year or so. But ya know what? The people behind them seem to still be doing well in spite of it. Big names too. At what point do people stop buying some of this stuff from these "marketers"? A better question may very well be...when does the FTC finally come in and put a stop to some of this bullshit?

SarahMcHarry

It's not a question of patience, it's a question of credibility.

The week 1 lesson of buying Adwords traffic using direct linking to landing pages with no content, and trying to do this at less than 25c per click, is simply not possible. I knew this already but nevertheless I tried it again and, surprise, surprise, I got severely slapped. It was a total waste of time and money.

I was quite prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt over the botched launch but after the disappointment of week 1, I had to question what the quality of tuition would be on week 2. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of the guarantee period extending to my week 2 so, after assessing the risk in the light of all the other factors, I decided it wasn't worth the investment. In fact, now I've seen the product, I think it borders on fraud.

If Brad Fallon or Eben Pagan or Russell Brunson (or any of the other gurus who promoted this pile of sh*te) read these posts I hope they will reflect on their actions.

Sorry to sound so sore, but that's how I feel.

Sarah

DonDavis

I think they are probably capable of more than one investigation at a time....

All it would take is for one of these big shots to get squeezed, and you would see some major changes on the IM frontiers.

tiffanymor4you

Check out an attorney by the name of Mike Young who practices internet law and his blog. If you go through his blog posts, he calls out some of the people such as Perry Belcher who was recently arrested and pleaded guilty to internet fraud. From one of Attorney Mike Young's posts..."Belcher has pled guilty to computer fraud, received a 10-year suspended sentence, forfeited many websites, and more than $1 million in assets as part of the plea agreement"

Why does the internet marketing community embrace marketers who have been arrested and charged for crimes due to numerous complaints after they have settled their case with the government? Money, no doubt.

The internet marketing community of so called "gurus" is a very forgiving bunch when it comes to their peers having been arrested. They don't care how many people their "guru" friend ripped off or scammed to get the attention of the government. They only care about how much money that "guru" can make for them after they settle their case with the government. I didn't know it until recently, but I read that Frank Kern and Stephen Pierce had also been charged with crimes by the government and settled a few years ago.

Why don't the internet marketers and internet marketing community who buy from the "guru" crowd refuse to buy from those other internet marketers who promote products from their guru friends who have been charged by the FTC?

buzzword

Not really. Plenty of the successful IM'ers have had legal, as well as financial problems. (Bankruptcies are practically a badge of honor for any well known business person) Once you get to the point you're making so much money you don't know what to do with it, you tend to unconsciously look for ways to "test the limits".

"I'm a millionaire. What are they gonna do to hurt me if I sell a piece of crap product?"

And dishonoring their name? Think of all the affiliates that have sold stuff on the internet under an alias. More than likely, it should be asked, "Who hasn't?" So what if their name is now mudd. They bank the profits anyway and come back as Alvin and Theodore with a new product next year. You'll never know.

So, basically anyone who has purchased this product needs to take a long hard look INSIDE and find out WHY they purchased in the first place.

Was it to learn something new?
You still have 12+ weeks to learn. I'm sure there will be something revealed that you didn't know, or a new method that you haven't tried, or a idea you hadn't quite thought of in THAT way. So, at worst, you'll be left with wondering if what you learned was worth two grand. And, to guard against that, just think of it as a college course in internet marketing. Approach the program with an open mind and absorb everything you can. Nowadays, one semester with textbooks could be close to this price at most major universities anyway. Stop worrying about the refund and start making sure you earn the money back. After all, even if the course ends up being a mind-blowing stellar delivery, YOU are responsible for the results YOU end up with.

Was it for the potential of making $50K a day?
Get your money back now.
If you're in it for the money, then the money will always be on your mind, and you'll always be doubting whether or not the system was worth the two grand. Trust me, you'll never be satisfied. Get out now. Don't wait until the end of the 30 day period, or hope the 12 month guarantee will bail you out, or even start running the numbers for getting the +$500 refund. Just get out now. In fact, you may want to reconsider that 9-5 J.O.B. and get completely out of the online world.

Just my T.C.

STILL buzzin' [8D]

buzzword

PLEASE tell me that is not your subtle way of building a list off of the members here.

So wrong in so many ways.

STILL buzzin' [8D]

Kyle L Hannah

My product was also not $1997 but rather 47. And if you read the sales letter correctly it states 23 videos, which there are 23 available in the member's area. The additional videos are technically bonus ones which will be finished and added by the end of next week.

I do appreciate you reminding me though, about the bonuses.

karmapoolcleaner

I agree. I don't think you can change a substantial and material part of contract: The Guarantee (which was a substantial and material reason for purchase when I bought on 10th) and assume that contract is still valid. I bought basically because Brad Fallon's high source credibility (well, at least until now). Like Adam said to Eve, "Stand back, God only knows how big this thing's gonna get." Class-action suit. Perhaps.

ToddieM

I was waiting for some glass half full stuff from you!
While you're still drawing breath in AC, think of this wonderful quote from "As A Man Thinketh":
Good thoughts and actions can never produce bad results; bad thoughts and actions can never produce good results.

I felt the same as you regarding the recent webinar. I felt they really tackled some of the tough questions.

Wireless payment

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ToddieM

The major reason I purchased was to learn a new skill that very well could, if implemented, make me some serious money.
Guarantees are nice; and I certainly didn't get involved because of some guarantee. Any investment I make where my main concern is just getting my investment back, is never going to be a good investment for me.
Because I've spent so much money on education over the years, perhaps I'm a little less sensitive to all this.
I'll reserve negative judgment until I've gone through all the 13 weeks.
Just as an aside, I recently dropped my $800 Stompernet membership, not because the content was bad....just simply because there was too much of it and I never knew where to start. Secondly, and probably more importantly, there was no place to start building.
I actually love the way AC is holding back content. It forces a "leaper" like me to stay focused on THAT week's material, complete the action plan, and actually make a buck or two.

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MaskedMarketer

opps- Dyslexia kicking in


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successformulacoach

So anyone seen any truly awesome PPC strategies with Arbitrage?

Stop buying worthless e-books that never amount to anything - Invest in Systems - Invest in People. Let me guide you to TRUE SUCCESS Online.

digabot

Those words should never be used in the same sentence.

newbie@CPA

Have you had a chance to look at this system? What is the difference in what you teach and what aymen teaches? thanks.

newbie@CPA

what is it that you dislike about the course. i am a total newbie.

elliec

I've signed up for the arbitrage conspiracy and feel that these guys are really committed to the success of the members. They know what they are doing and yeah, they will set up their own CPA network in the future and have a whole army of people they have trained. Pretty clever if you ask me. The only problem I have is that they don't always explain things in a step-by-step way like some of the other courses. They seem to be new as instructors but I am sure as the course goes on they will get the hang of it. Personally I am looking forward to the success that will come with this course!

karmapoolcleaner

Dyslexics of the world UNTIE !!!

karmapoolcleaner

You're probably right. Let me clarify my mindmap on this thing. Given that IMgurus have the "moneysuck" ethics somewhere between shark poop and tapeworm, Brad Fallon, being just a lawyer, ranks way above Mike F. who wouldn't cancel our subscription to his "magazine" for 5 months. (Can you believe his staff hung up on Amex investigator.) We actually had to cancel Amex and get a new card. Now, why would a guy ruin his reputation for perma-stupid, internet-transparent games like that? Greed? Dunno. Yeah, greed. Why would Brad Fallon pose as the front man before making sure that all the t's are crossed in the program before it launches. I used to like Brad. And are we all IDIOTS for hanging on to their scrap messages when there are dudes like Bezos who started on two doors from Home Depot and did $14.8 billion last year. Now that's what I call pure-play internet marketing. Not them scrappers.

now, can I rest my head on your lap and sob.... thanks.

Black Hat Cat

How is he building a list for himself by recommending Gauher's site?

mido

Agree, Mike Filsaime is the biggest spammer.
For several weeks I'm clicking on Unsubscribe/remove link, got confirmation - you have been removed from all his lists and still getting his SPAM emails Daily!
Maybe he should read this:spammers-should-be-executed

Mark

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ToddieM

I will quote to you, Ben, how much I've made in twelve weeks if you agree to tell me how much you've made in whatever endeavor you've decided to pursue.
Fair enough?

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Li Weng

Man, is this thread the official "longest thread of the forum" yet?

It's been a while since the product launch.

What's the go anyway? Good or bad?

- Insert backlink here -

arbitrage101

So far the content is decent.

Nothing that will make 7 figures but for a newbie the ideas can be helpful. They are laying the groundwork.

I don't understand why people who didn't purchase the content give their opinions. Give it twelve weeks and ask the cats who purchased the material

DrugOfChoice

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?





He stayed up all night wondering if there really is a dog ;-)

veotis

Well said. So far, I like what has been presented, because I am brand new at CPA. Could I have found the info somewhere else? I'm sure I could have. I really don't have the time to go sifting through thousands of posts here or elsewhere to try and piece together how to do this. I don't have a problem paying for condensed information, for that is the way I prefer it. Plus, the affiliate I joined through has created a forum where everybody can discuss this and help each other out. That alone is worth the price because this forum is not just about the Arbitrage Conspiracy, but lots of priceless info from a marketer that is successful and doesn't mind sharing the things that he does to be successful. Will I make $50,000 a day after finishing the course? Probably not, but that is not my personal goal at the moment. My goal is to make enough to leave a 6 day a week JOB and run my own internet business. I'm 100% positive that I will achieve this goal.