Truth about Aymen? Arbitrage Conspiracy -- What is Going on!

Have you taken screen shots/video of this before it all suddently dissapears ..

Like I said, I'm not saying that Aymen is not making good money
and that he doesn't know his stuff but it's hard to believe.

Everyone starts somewhere but from the looks of it Aymen
didn't get advanced few years ago. In fact I'm pretty sure
he's not the brain behind the course!

Am I right ?

Ebbi

nice work!!.. did you check his DNF profile it says the business location is Dubai
and some one told me he is from Egypt.. so there is some relation.

I have the same issue with people who don't know the guy and don't know the product but make wild speculations that are way off the mark. Imagine that.

Someone is covering their tracks in a hurry.

The video has been "removed by user"

Regards,

John

"the truth is out there, you're about to find out where it's been hiding..."
;-)

thanks, Ebbi!

what really pisses me off is the price...
if you make up to 100k a day and want others to succeed with CPA because you are about to launch your own CPA-network and you charge 2k for a course, well, I guess you can call that 'greedy'...
I will definitely not buy this course and would rather see if a warrior here on the forum can give me similar information which I will be happy to pay for!

previous poster said he'd be glad to purchase from a fellow warrior...
so I thought I'll post about my ideas,,,

It proves he was asking "basic" questions that somebody supposedly earning $100,000 per day should not need to be asking and if he's asking questions of the kind shown why should I pay him $2000 to teach me, that's really the point being made.

well okay Aymen,
I'll have a look at your product for $5,000.
that's 50% off!!!

;-)

I thought it wasn't his information, it was a student's ...

Surely that's exactly what he would have done to try minimise the damage.

His story in relation to the original information you had posted doesn't make sense at all.

The fact that all the evidence is being rapidly removed, videos, posts etc on other forums only leads me to believe this smells fishy.

Thanks Buddha...it confirms my conclusion on this.

Brad Fallon had Aymen over to his house, looked at everything, and then decided to bring the top online earners to decide if it was as good as it looked, and that's kinda how we got to where we are. I am in, hundreds more are in, and it is full steam ahead.

James, have you been able to see the course as it's being sold now? If so, do you know if there really are going to be monthly fees (membership, software, etc.) that were NOT mentioned on the sales letter?

You might want to read that guarantee again. They do not say they will pay you an extra $500 if you aren't satisfied. Here's what they DO say:

"If after following our entire 12 week system step by step, creating an average of 2 campaigns per day (approx 30 minutes each once you perfect the process), and you're still not making your money back for this course, simply send us your logins to verify the campaigns and revenues, and we'll refund you every single penny PLUS send you an EXTRA $500!"

So, to claim this extra $500, you have to create just under 180 campaigns over 12 weeks. I'm pretty sure there won't be too many collecting that $500.

By the way, not to be mean, but, does anyone else think the sales letter sucks? Maybe it's just me, but that sucker was painful to read.

Nice screen shot. I would love to make that kind of money. However, you said it was a CPA offer, yet I thought CPA was leads - getting paid for actions, not sales. Each transaction in your screen shot shows a sale and then a % commission of that sale. So people were buying different products and that's what you were getting paid for. Looks like 3 different products, according the prices. Isn't that just regular affiliate sales?

I have no shock or resistance, just skepticism based off of the different things said and shown. If he actually showed proof of the amount of income he claims I would feel better about it and have total belief and inspiration from it. Seeing what's possible from other people just motivates me and opens my mind even more. He could even just show screen shots of his bank account or anything.

He said in one of his interviews that some days they lose money. So, he's not making 50-100k a day, everyday. I think it's more like they hit that a couple times so are using that as their high number claim. Instead I would rather know about and appreciate knowing what his monthly average gross and net is, not a single day that is so wildly up and down fluctuating.

I would appreciate if anyone who has been in this industry for a while can tell me how the current environment is for it compared to before. With the economy so tough and advertising budgets plummeting, are the rates these companies offering for each action drastically going down? I know it did with mortgage leads. When I did them before they paid $20-$150 a lead, and now it's like $3-15 or whatever. I also know that ads are much cheaper now and all media is suffering from losing revenue on not being able to fill their inventory, so ad budgets are down everywhere. Any input on CPA in regards to this? Thanks.

As far as the Guarantee, it is very confusing, the language. Even before they changed it, it didn't say it was a 12 week guarantee, and now it doesn't say it is a 30 day guarantee. Both say it as though it is the min. amount of time before you can ask for a refund. It said AFTER the 12 weeks if you didn't like it, you can ask for a refund. OK, so AFTER 12 weeks, but BEFORE when? And now it says AFTER 30 days, it doesn't say before 30 days. So AFTER 30 days and BEFORE when? They should clarify the EXACT cutoff date for everyone. Name the actual calender date. When is the deadline cutoff that they would say - oh too late - you should of asked earlier. They don't say when that is. And for most people who ordered right away, they are not going to go back to the sales page to see if anything has changed, why would they. They read and they bought it, and they never emailed or posted a notice of these changes to their customers.

There was this one that was 12 weeks or so course but their guarantee was only for the first 45 days. Fine, certainly enough time to see if the education is any good and what they are offering. However it was a total bait and switch in my case at least and was very deceptive. When I tried to sign up for it, they only took paypal, but paypal would not let me charge that much so I couldn't pay. I emailed them to see if they could take a different payment method and finally they got back to me after their launch had ended and told me that they held a spot for me and that I could pay using my credit card with another processor and gave me the link. The link took me to what looked like the Exact same sales page but with a different link at the bottom to the new payment processor. I just scrolled right to the bottom and signed up. The course was nothing like they claimed and was very low quality. I gave it a chance though, and a few weeks later requested a refund. I never heard anything back. I thought I had 45 days though as it stated on the sales page so I didn't panic or anything. Then when I saw the 45 days was coming up, I emailed them again to make sure I got a response before the deadline. They responded immediately saying that they would not refund it because I missed the deadline of 30 days. Apparently in the new, identical looking sales page link that of course I didn't bother to re-read every line of, they changed the refund policy to 30 days, but only for people who ordered through that page as opposed to the main page. Two different policies, and of course they had to of known that people already trying to pay would have already read the original sales page and not bother to read an identical one again to see if they sneakily changed any line in it to a new or different policy or what they are getting. Just trying to pay. They could of been upfront in the email they sent out. Anyways I forwarded them the email I had sent them a few weeks earlier and finally got the refund after much pleading and headache. They were absolutely dead set on not giving it, even though they knew what they did was highly confusing and unfair, having 2 different deadlines for their same customers. Doesn't make me trust these marketers that much anymore. All this hype, but read the fine print, save screenshots, save all emails etc. I don't want a refund if something is really good, but if it's crap and their sales pitch was all hype, they should stand behind their product. They didn't even offer extra help or any reason to stay with their course and make it work for me, just flat out - no we're keeping your money - you didn't read the fine print - sorry!

LOL. I wondered the same thing.

I imagine Ebbi took the 10k to try the program, only an idiot wouldn't have taken that offer. Not to mention he was also offered 100k in 5 days.

Anyways, Ebbi is gone by now. It's been about 5 days so I imagine he's on vacation in the Caribbean or something while his campaigns sit on autopilot bringing in 100k a day.

Either way he should have gotten 100k either from CPA or Aymen.
Good question. :rolleyes:

Seriously though?
You're taking the offer right or you took the offer?

See the TERMS OF USE at the very bottom of the page on AC:

Its been updated to reflect the confusion about monthly subscriptions.

Because some of the issues surrounding it are grizzly at best and this is a forum that discusses such issues. It's utterly irrelevent whether we purchased the course or not, you don't have to purchase a course to make the point it's shady to change a guarantee mid launch, etc.

This is a discussion forum, and discussion is what you will get, good and bad.

Nobody cares less whether a given affiliate gets 10% or 80%, it's not newsworthy, it is newsworthy however if they took a bigger % for giving testimonials.

Deal with it as you said. These guys will need to take the rought with the smooth.

Maybe you should take your own advice

See above.

I'm actually looking forward to the success stories.

cant we all just get along!

Did they offer additional revenue for testiminonals , yes they did, case closed, it's unarguable and proven without a shadow of doubt. No apology I notice for the suggestion I was crazy suggesting they did.

Two faced, interesting. I have twigged what your now talking about however and I guess I made a mistake trying to help you answering your PM on a 100% competely unrelated matter, that apparently warrants personal attacks. I'll ensure I help out less in future.

Apology accepted, and thx. On this testimonial issue, nor would I buy it, but that's not what I'm saying, we are talking at cross purposes.

I don't for a second think Brad Fallon / MIke F or anybody else of his ilk, had to do a testimonial to get a higher commision %. I would be amazed if on a virtual product they were not getting more like 75% commision. That's kinda moot.

We are talking about different things yes. I just made the point that affiliates were paid more if they did a testimonial, somebody posted that they didn't believe they were getting 5% extra, I knew I had seen somewhere they were and posted accordingly, thats it, but it sure as hell doesn't mean I think Mike F and other big players had to go scrabbling for a camcorder to get their commisions upped. Or infact that the testimonials were even particularly relevent to the big guys.

Yep it has, but as life's short and we both have $$$ to make, it's time to move on :-)

I've been following this thread from the beginning, usually when I'm having my first cup of coffee and trying to pry my eyes open first thing in the morning. I read it in order to avoid trying to do something more valuable with my time and screwing it up before I'm fully alert.

If you'll glance over to the left, you'll see that I've been a member of this forum longer than nearly everyone else in this thread. You'll also see that I have a lower post count than many who've yet to celebrate their first anniversary here. That's because I post only when I think I have something of value to say. So pay attention

"Gurus"

A "guru", by definition, is a teacher or mentor. Few of the people in IM and hardly any of the people on the top twenty affiliate list for this program qualify. I was recently invited to be interviewed for a project as one of 100 IM gurus. Though I respect many of those who have agreed to participate and consider some to be "gurus", I declined. I don't want to be known as a guru and, insofar as IM is concerned, consider the term to be a pejorative.

When I was a "newbie" I was on dozens of lists, including those of many of the "gurus" touting this program. I'm not on any of their lists anymore and, in most cases, wouldn't approach a product they were offering with a ten foot pole and a gas mask.

(There is one exception. I'm still on the list of one of the top twenty affiliates for this program and own three of his expensive products which I consider to be essential tools. I was saddened to discover that he was associated with this clusterfark.)

Has no one else noticed that NONE of the so-called "gurus" pimping this product have posted here, though all are members of this forum and are surely aware of this thread, or that NONE of the real "gurus" in this forum are involved in this project?

"Guru 'Secrets'"

Forgive my redundancy: There are no "secrets". Spend an hour a day just reading the posts in this forum for a year and you will learn all you need to know about IM...FREE. If you don't want to spend a year in study or have more money than time, others have done the work for you and compiled the information in ebooks and courses you may buy, inexpensively, in the WSO forum or from their sig links. They are not selling "secrets" they're just charging you for having done your homework for you.

"CPA Coaching"

There are at least three frequent contributors to this sub-forum who offer one-on-one coaching in CPA and who have their own networks. Their courses are roughly the same price as Aymen's and they offer better payment plans, guarantees and refund policies. I happen to know that one of them is earning mid-five figures daily from CPA. The others may be also but I haven't investigated them. CPA coaching is a side-line for them and a way of recruiting the best affiliates for their networks. Why buy the hype from people you don't know instead of buying from people you do and who are NOT hyping their coaching to fleece newbies?

"Caveat Emptor"

Take careful note of the people touting this program. The majority of them make their living SOLELY from selling to "newbies"; a "low-hanging fruit" niche if there ever was one. Few of them make money by implementing the systems or products they sell. Let the buyer beware.

All education comes with a price tag. Those who have bought this program will get their money's worth in education...one way or the other.

lol, Emanual

This is old news. I think he is talking about the launch more than the product which I understand however... he has not seen the product....

Ignorance is a good summary of his email.....

couldn't have said it any better...

Well they are busy for new big launch!!!

I'm always down for a free flight and wine and dining

Honestbiz, you dont think the course was solid and gave a pretty well rounded teaching of internet marketing and ppc? ...not talking about the launch hype and salesletter hype just in terms of content?


I wasn't naive enough to go into the course with unrealistic goals and falling for the 50k a day hype, but I think the course in general had very solid content and I would recommend it. It helped me navigate through the internet marketing jungle pretty well.


In my opinion cpa is not hard, but you have to approach it in the right way. Think about any career in life, can you be good at it in 2 weeks...NO So dont go into internet marketing if you arent willing to put in the training.

THink about taking one course in college. It lasts about 4 months long and between classes and studying it takes up a lot of time to get an A. Whether youre taking a course or nto, I find it hard to believe if you put in 4 months of training, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY.


I think many people who go into IM through a course like AC or not, arent willing to work enough to get over even the first hurdle, they just want the fast cash as all the salesletters out there promise.


For those newbies who are doing work and putting in their all, you WILL succeed. Your first of many profitable days are right around the corner.

Good luck all

I don't know that people like to make a big deal out of nothing, AC is such as simple technique using PPC to promote CPA right? so..what? is it worth thousands of Dollars in course? NO.

Hi Guys

After couple of years from launching Aymen's arbitrage conspiracy,
it is the good time to ask:

1- Are there any real people who could generate $2000+ per day OR $100,000 per month, using ONLY Aymen's AC ?

2- If yes, how many?

3- Did they use only PPC, or something else?

We need REAL people REALLY used Aymen's arbitrage conspiracy, not just anyone, to reply!

Thank you.

Hilal