PointLeads.com Scam [Stole over $5,000 from us]

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PointLeads.com is a scam website. Its owner Anthony Vasquez has stolen from us over $5,000 of leads and sales. He ignores emails and uses excuses not to pay! I am including a transcript below of our conversations as well as some more information about the whole thing, it's quite long to read but your attention would be very much appreciated.

About $3,000 was generated during August 2011 which he promised to pay but always used excuses not to pay us, even though he did get paid for the leads and sales we delivered, there is no dispute of the validity of the amount, the entire issue falls on the fact he is a liar about actually PAYING and when it comes to paying publishers he would use any given excuse to postpone the payment.

1) First lie - there are no payment terms!



In the account there are options to choose to be paid via Net5, Net15 and such - we chose Net5 for a deduction of 20% of the amount to give it a test. When asked for this he said:

"Normally I would say Yes, but because of Hurricane Irene I have been
getting checks a little late."


Then he mentioned:

"I will try to get you that payment ASAP. I'll also add in only 5%
Fee's if it's before Net 15."



2) Continouns lying and ignoring emails

On the 21st of September we emailed him asking why there was no payment made with 5% reduction by the 15th - Our email was ignored.
We emailed again asking how the Hurricane Irene is related to the payments and why he hasn't processed the payments yet, then he said:

"I was just letting you know that Hurricane Irene had affected the
North East of the USA which caused mail/checks to come late.

We pay Net 30 (30 Days at the end of the month for the previous months
earnings)."


On the 28th of September we emailed him:

August payments should be processed by the end of this week or next week?
Please advise.


And he replied:

"They will go out by the end of next week."


3) Ignoring emails, using excuses and refusing to go online on AIM or providing screenshots

October 5, 2011

Hi Anthony,

Can I ask if our payment for August should be processed soon?
We received most payments from all the other networks, so please let me know what's the status?


[Email ignored]

October 6, 2011 - 1:02 AM UK Time

Anthony?

[Email ignored]

October 6, 2011 - 7:36 AM UK Time

Anthony,

Can I get a response from you regarding this?
You said by the end of this week, and we're on Thursday.
You told me Net30 payments.

Clearly there is no reason to hold payment when we got payments just fine from all the other networks.
I have no idea what's going on - can you please reply to me?

Anthony: Im currently away this week. I'll get back to you.

October 6, 2011 - 7:36 AM UK Time

When?
There is no other person who can respond?

October 6, 2011 - 8:13 AM UK Time

Anthony: I'll email you back in a few hours

October 6, 2011 - 3:17 PM UK Time

Anthony?
You promised to respond "in a few hours", been 7 hours since.

October 6, 2011 - 5:36 PM UK Time

Anthony: Was asleep, give me a few minutes.

October 6, 2011 - 6:02 PM UK Time

Can you get online on AIM or is there any way to properly communicate with you?
It's really bringing our faith level to the bottom when I cannot get proper communication from you.
I'd like just to sort out August payment please, you promised to process it by the end of this week.

October 6, 2011 - 6:10 PM UK Time

Anthony: Im currently on the West Coast, moving into my new place this week. Im currently in a hotel that has horrible internet. I will try to get on AIM later this afternoon.

October 6, 2011 - 6:24 PM UK Time

Can you please stop with these jokes?
It takes less than a minute to process a payment - why are you using excuses and cannot just stand once behind your words?
I don't understand how exactly you run a network this way.

October 6, 2011 - 6:25 PM UK Time

Anthony: These aren't jokes or excuses. But regardless I'll try to get on AIM this afternoon.

October 6, 2011 - 6:34 PM UK Time

Okay, looking forward. I'm there

[waiting 2 hours without bothering him or sending emails]

October 6, 2011 - 8:31 PM UK Time

Anthony,

Are you going to be online soon?

October 6, 2011 - 9:23 PM UK Time

Anthony?

October 6, 2011 - 10:05 PM UK Time

Anthony, are you there?

October 6, 2011 - 10:05 PM UK Time

Anthony: I'll be on AIM in 45 mins.

October 6, 2011 - 10:55 PM UK Time

Okay, I'm waiting ....
50 minutes now, but I'm waiting.

October 6, 2011 - 11:10 PM UK Time

Anthony?

October 6, 2011 - 11:11 PM UK Time

Anthony: Sorry on my way home. Give me 5 mins.

October 6, 2011 - 11:31 PM UK Time

20 minutes ago .... "give me 5 minutes" ... come on man,
It's frustrating.

October 6, 2011 - 11:34 PM UK Time

Anthony: Hit traffic almost there.

October 6, 2011 - 11:36 PM UK Time

It's just a matter of payment and you really enjoy giving me all these hassles?
How come you can send me emails but you cannot go online?

October 6, 2011 - 11:40 PM UK Time

It's almost midnight in the UK but I'm staying just for the chat.

October 6, 2011 - 11:42 PM UK Time

Anthony: I will send your payment on Saturday.

October 6, 2011 - 11:48 PM UK Time

Okay, can you still go on AIM please?

[Email ignored]

October 6, 2011 - 11:54 PM UK Time

I have sent another email to Anthony asking about some of the offers in his network, he replied immediately after 5 minutes.

October 7, 2011 - 12:12 AM UK Time

Don't want to push it so much but really - is there any reason for the payment to be made on Saturday and not today?
I'd like to get more details please, hence this is why I wanted to chat on AIM.

October 7, 2011 - 12:20 AM UK Time

Anthony: I don't have much time to sit town as Im moving. This weekend i will have time.

October 7, 2011 - 9:26 AM UK Time

Hi Anthony,

To make it easier for you I've raised an invoice through PayPal and all you need to do is 1 click to pay it, it doesn't take more time than the time it takes you to send me an email. I could do it even if I moved 5 houses in a week.



October 7, 2011 - 4:26 AM UK Time

Anthony,

Can we expect to trust your word saying this will be processed tomorrow?

[Email ignored]

[Following day....]

October 8, 2011 - 8:03 PM UK Time

Anthony,

You promised to pay today and you didn't.
Why are you ignoring our emails?

October 8, 2011 - 9:28 PM UK Time

Anthony: You need to realize there is a time difference. Just because i don't reply right away doesn't mean im ignoring.

October 8, 2011 - 9:40 PM UK Time

I understand.
I emailed you a few days ago informing you about the PayPal invoice that I sent with no response.
I emailed you yesterday asking if we can trust your word - with no response.

I am fed up with these repeated empty promises, you promised to pay earlier Net15 terms, then Net20 terms, then Net30 terms, then the end of the week, then today ... so what's up? we never ever had to chase any network, ever, for payments like this - just try not to frustrate your publisher and think of the picture from our side and not only from yours.

Anyway speaking of payments is it going to be made today?
I hope this is not another empty promise.

October 8, 2011 - 9:49 PM UK Time

Anthony: Yes it is.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM

Okay, I'm still waiting.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:04 AM

You're leaving it for the last moment?
Is it possible to get some updates from you already?

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:23 AM

Anthony: I sent it a few hours ago

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:30 AM

We haven't received anything to our PayPal account.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:49 AM

Anthony: I'll go look at the issue and resend it

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:58 AM

When?
It takes only a second to do that...
You refuse to chat through AIM and I have no way to communicate with you, only through emails.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:58 AM

Anthony: I have not refused i have been busy.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:11 AM

But instead of frustrating me and me frustrating you with so many emails - try a concerete approach.
Telling me Net15, Net20, Net30 ... hurricane Irene and checks (you're on the west coast where the hurricane never hit?), then end of week, then Saturday .... then you tell me you sent it a few hours ago which is not true.

Do you not have any interest in keeping your publishers happy?
Likewise, can I ask, do you work all alone in the network? There is no other person who covers for you? I am not working alone on the site, I can tell you that. We are 24/7 physically, not just in words.

Anyway - can you please process this payment without all these games? I would appreciate it very much.
I would also suggest you get more people to work with you in the network to help you answering emails and not just say that you are busy, this is totally not professional.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:14 AM

Anthony: I told you i moved to the West Coast over this weekend. I never said i was on the west coast when the hurricane hit. Mind you try getting your facts in place.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:16 AM

Okay,

I have no interest to argue with you on these subjects - what's going on with the payment?
Can you please look into it once and for all?

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:18 AM

Anthony: No argument. And Yes I am.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:26 AM

Okay, it shouldn't take more than 20 seconds to look into it, right?
Please stop playing games and just do it, I gave you all the relevant information you need.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:37 AM

Anthony: I have email Paypal as to you why my payment wasn't sent. I sent it in a different transaction than what you have in than image.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:45 AM

What is the PayPal transaction ID ?
Also see file attached - I want your attention to it please.



Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:47 AM

Anthony: I will take a look at why the transaction ID wasn't placed.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:57 AM

So I take it as you don't agree to pay us for August leads, correct?
This is your final decision, correct?

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:59 AM

Anthony: I have sent Paypal and email hopefully this will be resolved shortly.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:01 AM

I don't buy this lie, Anthony,
When you had to send weekly payments of a few cents or dollars you had no problems doing it.
You are refusing to provide me with the transaction ID or a screenshot fo the payment that you made.

If you send me a screenshot of the payment that was made and let me look at it - then I would believe you.
As long as you don't send a proof I don't buy your lies.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:03 AM

Can you send me a screenshot showing that you "tried" to send a payment through PayPal?
Why don't you go online on AIM?
This is something you also refuse to do.

Tell us the truth, you don't want to pay money to your publishers.

Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:12 AM

Anthony: If you are going to to be rude about it I don't need to reply with anything and you'll get paid when Paypal sorts it out. Im done replying you are beyond rude.

Since then Anthony hasn't replied to our emails.
He also never provided a screenshot proving that he did send a payment "a few hours ago".
He never provided to us the transaction ID of the payment that he apparently made "a few hours ago".

Ask yourself if this is the kind of affiliate network you want to deal with? I know the transcript of our "chat" is long but please read and educate yourself to not trust this network. It is being run by a crook, or even more than that, the guy is simply a liar. By the way, when it came to send a few dollars for those "weekly payments" he issued them without any problem, but when it comes to a large amount you can simply forget about it - he runs a ponzy scheme, we got those weekly payments, thought we can trust this network, but all he does is pick & choose when to pay you.

PointLeads.com owes us $5,000+ and we doubt if we ever going to see a dime from this website owned by Anthony Vasquez - please note he is the only point of contact in the website so there are no other people to provide you with proper support like every normal affiliate network does. We are frustrated with this website and if there is any way to recover the funds from this scam network please let us know.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimboJim
    I would totally sue. That's not some small change, he owes you big and he should really give you your money. I hope he gives in and give you the cash that you are due.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
      Originally Posted by KimboJim View Post

      I would totally sue. That's not some small change, he owes you big and he should really give you your money. I hope he gives in and give you the cash that you are due.
      Thanks for your advice Jim, we would have to sue him if he doesn't pay, for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author RhysEvans
    Have you tried contacting Travis, he appears to be another individual at the company although I have a feeling this is a one man band. It was an interesting read and he replies pretty quickly but why doesn't he just process your payment. - Mention taking him to court. Your post is also on page 1 of google when you search his company now so might affect business

    I have heard poor reviews of that network, so my advice is to stick with who you know and if there is an exclusive offer, reach out to your AM as they should be able to get the same offer easily enough. Most smaller networks broker each others offers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
      Originally Posted by RhysEvans View Post

      Have you tried contacting Travis, he appears to be another individual at the company although I have a feeling this is a one man band. It was an interesting read and he replies pretty quickly but why doesn't he just process your payment. - Mention taking him to court. Your post is also on page 1 of google when you search his company now so might affect business

      I have heard poor reviews of that network, so my advice is to stick with who you know and if there is an exclusive offer, reach out to your AM as they should be able to get the same offer easily enough. Most smaller networks broker each others offers.
      Hi Rhys,

      I am not sure how to contact this Travis that you mentioned. Do you have his email address or AIM nickname?
      You mentioned my post is on page 1 of google when you search the company - can I ask what keywords exactly you used in Google?

      We are considering taking him to court, but before that we are trying to give him last chance to do something.

      Thanks for your response.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Aside from all these AIM conversations, have you tried to call them as well? - it oftens pulls so much more weight than email/AIM..
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    • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
      Originally Posted by ChrisBa View Post

      Aside from all these AIM conversations, have you tried to call them as well? - it oftens pulls so much more weight than email/AIM..
      There is only AIM and phone details on his site:

      Phone: (866) 553-2571

      We tried calling this number for several times, all the times and we always get into a voice mail, no one is answering in this line.

      Yes, it often pulls so much more weight than email/AIM but this crook does NOT want to speak to you over the phone!

      He doesn't want to speak to us, we wanted to speak to him but he refuses to pay and refuses to communicate on AIM!
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      • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
        Everyone,

        You can all help us by having your "Like" or posting your information into this new facebook created in order to damage the reputation of such a low class company who cheats its publishers and steals money from them:

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  • Profile picture of the author weekmania
    But this Network Accept only Traffic Us Ithink ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
      Originally Posted by weekmania View Post

      But this Network Accept Pnly Traffic Us Ithink ?
      Huh?! :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author CreativesLinda
      Originally Posted by weekmania View Post

      But this Network Accept only Traffic Us Ithink ?

      That's not true. There are offers for other countries as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
        Originally Posted by CreativesLinda View Post

        That's not true. There are offers for other countries as well.
        Does it matter anything?
        That network is a scam, regardless of the offers they have.
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  • Profile picture of the author CreativesLinda
    I just wanted to make sure correct information was being given.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
      Originally Posted by CreativesLinda View Post

      I just wanted to make sure correct information was being given.
      Ah ok, I couldn't understand that member's question but thanks for helping with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author vampire3x
    what? they are scam?
    damn, lucky me to found this post first.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1GreatCPA
    WF is a great place finding and testing network reputation. You have been scammed. But Why did you not read reviews before join that network. Did you speak with your affiliate manager before promote their offer? A publisher should follow all possible steps while work with a new network.

    We can not ignore a new network, because stable and reputed networks don't accepts publishers. Your conversion with network AM/owner/CEO/MD says that he is only person running network and i think he has not been paid for your leads yet so he is not paying you.

    My own thought... Most of networks claim that they have direct deal with advertiser but i think they have publisher account with affiliate networks and networks pay on net-15, net-30, net-60. They can not accept it, They are dealing with some tier affiliate networks. But to be true most of networks running fraud and they don't get paid for leads. specially hasoffers network.

    Hasoffers networks run on basic version and they have no idea about fraud prevention. When it come to payment networks deny their payment and they don't get paid for it. it's not problem, They don't pay their publisher. Pay $99 once again and run fraud with other network.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
      Originally Posted by 1GreatCPA View Post

      WF is a great place finding and testing network reputation. You have been scammed. But Why did you not read reviews before join that network. Did you speak with your affiliate manager before promote their offer? A publisher should follow all possible steps while work with a new network.
      We did receive those weekly payments so we had the impression that this network pays. We couldn't know by then they do "Pick & Choose" when it comes to payments.

      Originally Posted by 1GreatCPA View Post

      We can not ignore a new network, because stable and reputed networks don't accepts publishers.
      Sorry to disappoint you sir, but we are not a small website neither and almost all networks approve us, and to be honest, we actually get requests from networks to join them instead of we applying for networks, so this was not a factor here, but thanks for mentioning it.

      Originally Posted by 1GreatCPA View Post

      Your conversion with network AM/owner/CEO/MD says that he is only person running network and i think he has not been paid for your leads yet so he is not paying you.
      No, that is not the case because he mentioned that he already "sent" the payment "a few hours ago" and that Paypal had problem with it. We also found out we ran lots of CJ.com offers through him and those were paid for him by the 20th of September, we are now in October, so you can figure out this money is literally stolen from us. Just to mention a few we are working proxy score checkers, daily cap on offers, so we are not one of those who bombard advertisers with leads or sales, we want to reach the top in what we do.

      Originally Posted by 1GreatCPA View Post

      My own thought... Most of networks claim that they have direct deal with advertiser but i think they have publisher account with affiliate networks and networks pay on net-15, net-30, net-60. They can not accept it, They are dealing with some tier affiliate networks. But to be true most of networks running fraud and they don't get paid for leads. specially hasoffers network.
      PointLeads doesn't use the HasOffers system. From my own investigation in the matter he bought the script, but take a look what was involved with it:

      Beware of Prizegrand.com and Pointleads.com - GPTBoycott Discussion Forum

      Yes, here it's our fault we didn't read it before joining the network.

      Originally Posted by 1GreatCPA View Post

      Hasoffers networks run on basic version and they have no idea about fraud prevention. When it come to payment networks deny their payment and they don't get paid for it. it's not problem, They don't pay their publisher. Pay $99 once again and run fraud with other network.
      Again, you're right, but this is totally irrelevant to our case with PointLeads.com. I just hope others won't do business with crooks who just lie about what they do.
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    scam is suck...truly.......... >
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  • Profile picture of the author Codez
    sbt06066 at gmail Is one of PointLead's owners emails.
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    • Profile picture of the author RhysEvans
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      PointLeads.com is an affiliate network dedicated to delivering the best advertiser and affiliate solutions.
      Email
      anthony@pointleads.com, travis@pointleads.com
      Phone
      1-866-553-2571
      Website
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      • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
        Originally Posted by RhysEvans View Post

        Founded
        October 6, 2010
        About
        PointLeads.com is an affiliate network dedicated to delivering the best advertiser and affiliate solutions.
        Email
        anthony@pointleads.com, travis@pointleads.com
        Phone
        1-866-553-2571
        Website
        PointLeads.com - Top CPA Offers
        Thanks,
        Phone number always leads to voice mail, there is no response from these emails. He has stopped responding to emails and we even sent him a link to this forum about a week ago when this thread started and he never bothered to explain his actions.
        We are in touch with one of the biggest networks he is a member of (CJ) and they are investigating his account thanks to our complaints, but apparantely we are not the only ones who complain according to them, so there you go, their account is on a brink of deactivation unless actions made by him will be explained, which again doesn't bring us the money he owes. Really frustrating.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
          I would like to keep you posted that PointLeads has issued a payment to us for $1,500 with a note "I have a limit on my debit card of $1,500 per each day."

          That was 2 days ago, so I am not sure how things will develop but for now I would like to keep you posted that they did pay us $1,500 so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
      PointLeads.com has paid us yesterday an additional amount of $800, so we're quite happy with that. Promised to pay the additional and last $814 bit of August later on today (Friday), but we're quite happy with that.

      I just wish we shouldn't have gone through all this, but just to rectify things here - I don't know if it was our complaint or purely the business module - thank you for the payments, but as I suggested, would be wise to employ or get more people there in the company to respond to emails on 24-48 hour basis.

      Our conclusion: I think without the forum we wouldn't have gone that far in terms of getting some payments, however I'm glad Anthony also chose the right path with us. I am not sure if we would be paid in full completely but $2,300 so far is quite a big change to the $0 we had before.
      I have removed the FB page as well, and only, once we're paid in full, we might work with this network again, but only for $100-$200 per month, maximum, this is the most we would do.

      To the forum: Thank you for helping us and for supporting us with this issue, I'm really greatful to all of you. No matter how things end, we've reached partially our desired results, to thank you again for letting us have a stage here and helping us going through it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gptreasure
      Originally Posted by mtmjohn View Post

      Glad to hear that. Hope you will get the rest payment soon, good luck!
      Thank you John!
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  • Profile picture of the author busybusinessman
    I hope this gets maximum publicity because he deserves never to sell anything ever again. The only way to make money online and build up a substantial business is to be honest - totally - and to always do what you say you will do AND to always over deliver. This guy sounds like the absolute pits. Do you know where he lives? I would be inclined to visit him unexpectedly with a big bunch of muscular friends.
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  • Profile picture of the author Le Project
    congrats bro! hope you get your full payment ASAP

    that's what forum for
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  • Profile picture of the author IamTJM
    Great news that you at least got that payment and hopefully you get the rest and soon. It's good that you're putting this out there for all to see!
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    **** the scam network!
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    Pointleads is Big Scammer!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author OpOffers
    Pointleads is a slower paying network, but i would rather get paid slow then not at all. I have never had a problem with them. the owner is nice and seems like he really does try.
    and no i wasn't paid to say this. Have a nice day
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    Glad this was hopefully resolved
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  • Profile picture of the author Eternalrest
    The guy who is administrating pointleads is lieing all the times about payments.
    He's like you are going to be paid tomorrow, but you won't. It happened to me more than 5 times. I have 5 pending payments from December 2011.
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