How To Promote CPA Offers On Adwords

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Times Have Changed

First, you can't do it like we used to. It's not possible anymore. Google Adwords is not happy with affiliate marketers and they will ban your account if you try anything they don't like. That makes it difficult BUT not impossible for affiliates to still use them.

If you look at what they want versus what we as affiliate marketers want, we're on opposite ends of the spectrum. They want information sites, without any affiliate links or even banners if they had their way. They want their surfers to search for and find information without being marketed to. It's a fantasy world but that's the one that Adwords lives in.

In reality, we as affiliate marketers do not mind giving their surfers info and answer their questions, but we're not charities and we need to get paid to do it. So what do we do? We know what they want. We know that we'd prefer to just put up a one page wonder with one big link saying "CLICK HERE" as our affiliate link and landing page with them, but that is not possible.

Give Them What THEY Want

So let's give them what they want and get what we want too. That means one thing. List building. I know affiliates just want to direct link from Google to the merchant and not have to do anymore work, but that is not possible with Google Adwords anymore. (It IS possible with other ppc engines still but that's another story for another time). So the question is how would I promote CPA offers on Adwords?

Again, since you can't like we used to do it, we need a different way. That way has been around for ages, but few do it because it's more work. We need to build a site that provides a lot of value for Google surfers. We need to make sure we do not use any affiliate links on it. I mean zero. If you don't think Google has a database of every affiliate link in the world and every redirect service in the world, you're wrong, they do and when they scan your page and see one, you're the enemy to them. I know this through experience, if you doubt it, go ahead and put an affiliate link on a site and advertise it with adwords. All of the sudden you'll find quality scores of 1, 2 and 3. That's their wimpy way of saying, "we don't like you and therefore will not give you any of our precious traffic".

Anyhow, if you're building a site with no affiliate links anywhere, how do you promote cpa offers to it? You don't. You can put a newsletter collector form on the site and then you CAN market whatever you want to that list. If you were smart, you would pick a niche, setup a site without any affiliate links, put an email collector form on it, create your email series ahead of time, (go out a year), send good info to your list and at the bottom of every email put a little affiliate link and call to action. Hell even say: "The email is sponsored by: http://affiliatelink.com/here"

That is how you do CPA offers on Google Adwords.

Banned?

Next question is do you still have an Adwords account or were you banned? Even if you were banned you can STILL use them. There's ways to get back in, but that's another story for another time too.

Just my 2 cents.

#adwords #cpa #offers #promote
  • Profile picture of the author IamTJM
    It has definitely gotten a lot harder to get ads approved on Adwords with affiliate links even on landing pages. I actually have started what you have stated by building lists instead off of Adwords. I also use other PPC engines such as microsoft adcenter and facebook ads for my landing pages and also direct linking, although very uncommon.
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  • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
    Thanks a lot for this information, I tend to think that actually it's a even better for us because it kicks out all those who dont want to take this business seriously. Providing value to user is not as hard as people think to do and doing it that way will increase your overall profit if you play your cards well. It's a bit more of work but it really worth the extra in my opinion.

    Thanks again.
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    • Profile picture of the author sky007
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      • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
        Originally Posted by sky007 View Post

        Hmm interesting.. What you mean by value? Some load of crap articles

        10 pages long about nothing with no links?
        Read the coach' post again, he talks about list building, so if they are looking for a "sony tv 54" like you said, why not create a top ten list or something in exchange for their email? Or the top 10 best retailers? You would engage the visitor by asking him some questions such as;

        How much are you willing to pay for a new tv?
        Do you know the differences between such and such tv?
        and so on....

        That way you have a qualify prospect and a google friendly site. Add privacy policy, contact us, about us, and your good to go.

        here is an example:

        Next Job at Home
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
      Originally Posted by tayuyaa View Post

      Thanks a lot for this information, I tend to think that actually it's a even better for us because it kicks out all those who dont want to take this business seriously. Providing value to user is not as hard as people think to do and doing it that way will increase your overall profit if you play your cards well. It's a bit more of work but it really worth the extra in my opinion.

      Thanks again.
      It def takes out the people who don't want to put the work in
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Yep and you can argue till you're blue in the face about YOUR opinion of what is good or bad but in reality it means jack to them. It's their sandbox. So if you don't play by their rules, they kick you out.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Awesome post. The PPC landscape (at least at the main portals) has changed and been squeezed but with every change, I truly believe comes opportunity.

    Your point about giving them what they want is absolutely critical, even beyond the PPC space. People are always asking "how do i get around google's new rules" or "how can I bypass the review step" and stuff like that, and I am always like...you guys have the wrong mindset. Work WITHIN the rules of the PPC platform or whatever traffic source you are working with.

    If you work within the rules, it will be much easier to build a sustainable income stream and even be easier to get away with some stuff you ordinarily wouldn't be able to. Google's number one priority has always been providing a relevant experience for it's users. So provide that experience, provide value. Of course keep your sales funnel in mind but always be thinking from the perspective of the person making the rules.

    As you said, it may be simply putting your offer deeper in the funnel or building a list and doing backend marketing. If there's a will, there's a way.


    Same with Craigslist, 99.99% of people do classified marketing wrong because they try and fake our the user or plop an ad too far forward in the sales funnel. Work WITH the rules and provide value and there is a way to monetize every traffic source out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Exactly.

    The other reason people don't do adwords anymore for affiliate marketing is it's not a new shiny object. They THINK that in order to make money they have to have a cutting edge method or something brand new that nobody else has thought of before. The truth is the opposite of that mindset.

    Tried and true evergreen methods work as well today as the day they were invented. Simple stuff is boring. Unless a newbie sees the words "NEW" attached to some absurd screenshot or earnings claim, they don't bother with it. Then they wonder why 6 months down the road or a year down the road, they're STILL stuck spinning their wheels and haven't made a penny doing anything.

    But that's a whole other story for another day.

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    • Profile picture of the author CPABeyond
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      Exactly.

      The other reason people don't do adwords anymore for affiliate marketing is it's not a new shiny object. They THINK that in order to make money they have to have a cutting edge method or something brand new that nobody else has thought of before. The truth is the opposite of that mindset.

      Tried and true evergreen methods work as well today as the day they were invented. Simple stuff is boring. Unless a newbie sees the words "NEW" attached to some absurd screenshot or earnings claim, they don't bother with it. Then they wonder why 6 months down the road or a year down the road, they're STILL stuck spinning their wheels and haven't made a penny doing anything.

      But that's a whole other story for another day.

      Yes your completely right. Its like a plague among noobs, I was victim of that when I first entered IM. Mastery is the key guys. Focus 1 method, 1 traffic source, 1 goal.... mastery
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    It's pretty interesting...just watching this thread you can see where the current trend is. For a few months there will be hundreds of threads about 7search and for the next month it will all be about fan pages or media buys and so on. At the end of the day, I like to stay ahead or behind the pack of lemmings!
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  • Profile picture of the author Silentkiller1
    Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

    Times Have Changed

    First, you can't do it like we used to. It's not possible anymore. Google Adwords is not happy with affiliate marketers and they will ban your account if you try anything they don't like. That makes it difficult BUT not impossible for affiliates to still use them.

    If you look at what they want versus what we as affiliate marketers want, we're on opposite ends of the spectrum. They want information sites, without any affiliate links or even banners if they had their way. They want their surfers to search for and find information without being marketed to. It's a fantasy world but that's the one that Adwords lives in.

    In reality, we as affiliate marketers do not mind giving their surfers info and answer their questions, but we're not charities and we need to get paid to do it. So what do we do? We know what they want. We know that we'd prefer to just put up a one page wonder with one big link saying "CLICK HERE" as our affiliate link and landing page with them, but that is not possible.

    Give Them What THEY Want

    So let's give them what they want and get what we want too. That means one thing. List building. I know affiliates just want to direct link from Google to the merchant and not have to do anymore work, but that is not possible with Google Adwords anymore. (It IS possible with other ppc engines still but that's another story for another time). So the question is how would I promote CPA offers on Adwords?

    Again, since you can't like we used to do it, we need a different way. That way has been around for ages, but few do it because it's more work. We need to build a site that provides a lot of value for Google surfers. We need to make sure we do not use any affiliate links on it. I mean zero. If you don't think Google has a database of every affiliate link in the world and every redirect service in the world, you're wrong, they do and when they scan your page and see one, you're the enemy to them. I know this through experience, if you doubt it, go ahead and put an affiliate link on a site and advertise it with adwords. All of the sudden you'll find quality scores of 1, 2 and 3. That's their wimpy way of saying, "we don't like you and therefore will not give you any of our precious traffic".

    Anyhow, if you're building a site with no affiliate links anywhere, how do you promote cpa offers to it? You don't. You can put a newsletter collector form on the site and then you CAN market whatever you want to that list. If you were smart, you would pick a niche, setup a site without any affiliate links, put an email collector form on it, create your email series ahead of time, (go out a year), send good info to your list and at the bottom of every email put a little affiliate link and call to action. Hell even say: "The email is sponsored by: http://affiliatelink.com/here"

    That is how you do CPA offers on Google Adwords.

    Banned?

    Next question is do you still have an Adwords account or were you banned? Even if you were banned you can STILL use them. There's ways to get back in, but that's another story for another time too.

    Just my 2 cents.

    I have a silly doubt. Will banning of adwords account affect my gmail account related with it?
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
      Originally Posted by Silentkiller1 View Post

      I have a silly doubt. Will banning of adwords account affect my gmail account related with it?
      In most cases no, but I have heard of in the odd case - people lose all google products (gmail, webmaster tools, analytics, etc)
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  • Profile picture of the author HasClicks
    thank you for the good info! Google still is the best source of traffic, especially for the affiliates that wish to scale up!
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    • Profile picture of the author owey
      Interesting thread,thanks for all your different points of view.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    I think one of the other issues with affiliates and not wanting to take all the "extra" steps is the "smash and grab" mentality. Instead of building long term businesses, affiliates, especially in the CPA world, tend to think that once they find that one profitable campaign, it's done, they can retire.

    That's so far from the truth. CPA marketing is a daily grind. You're working a lot and in a constant war. Offers will drop on you, traffic sources dry up as competitors move in and take over your share of the pie if you don't fight it daily.

    It's a realization that most come to after hitting it big on one campaign. They realize that the next step is doing it all over again and again and again. Affiliates forget that there's a lot of OTHER business models on the internet for making money online. CPA marketing is not the only way to do it. It's a great way to learn traffic systems and funnels, (few use funnels though), but it's NOT a long term way to go.

    The key is to not follow the herd. If they're going one way, you go the other. Figure out other business models that suit your style. Have you had an idea for a great product or service but have been scared to actually do it? Fire me an email, I'll tell you what I think. If it's good, I'll even go in on it with you.

    Bottomline, traffic sources don't go away, they always work, what we do as affiliates has to be adjusted once in a while and CPA marketing is not a long term endeavour in the sense that most believe it is.

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    • Profile picture of the author ChadH
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      I think one of the other issues with affiliates and not wanting to take all the "extra" steps is the "smash and grab" mentality. Instead of building long term businesses, affiliates, especially in the CPA world, tend to think that once they find that one profitable campaign, it's done, they can retire.

      That's so far from the truth. CPA marketing is a daily grind. You're working a lot and in a constant war. Offers will drop on you, traffic sources dry up as competitors move in and take over your share of the pie if you don't fight it daily.

      It's a realization that most come to after hitting it big on one campaign. They realize that the next step is doing it all over again and again and again. Affiliates forget that there's a lot of OTHER business models on the internet for making money online. CPA marketing is not the only way to do it. It's a great way to learn traffic systems and funnels, (few use funnels though), but it's NOT a long term way to go.

      Find the market/traffic, then find a way to monetize it.

      The majority of CPA marketers do it backwards. They wake up one day thinking "ok, today Im gonna see what are the hot offers".

      Yes, a hot offer helps.... especially when it comes to rebills and CC offers in the bizopp space.

      Why?

      No, its not your slick ability to sell the bizopp with an advertorial or otherwise, it's the offer compliance changing on the backend.

      Case in point I promoted an offer early this month where the advertiser had a pre-sell associated with it, so I could direct link.

      EPC was $2.50 for DAYS.

      Then one day, EPC was $0.60.

      I check the page, and the page was changed quite a bit.

      Of course the advertisers will want you to keep pouring money into the campaign, so you can eek out a few pennies more in EPC, while they still make their backend while trying not to blow up their merchant accounts.

      Anyway I'm ranting...

      Yes, CPA is a great way to learn how to optimize paid traffic, but the reason its so good at that is because your margins are tight, offers get switched up, EPCs drop.... so, it's like wearing a weighted vest all day, doing it the way most affiliates do it. Which is fine for a little while. But at the end of the day, it's a good idea to:

      BUILD A BRAND, not even just a business... straight up cpa marketing the way most do it is a money chase.

      And you might think that if you just had one campaign that made $3K a day for a month, you'd be set for life, or that it would just roll magically into more profit. Maybe it will, but you better still be ready to work far more than you thought you would when you got into the game.

      Straight up traffic arbitraging isn't leveraged. Some of the biggest earners I know ($5K-$10K per day guys) still work 14-16+ hours a day. I bet when you got into this you didn't think you'd work twice as much as you would at a job.

      Always look at how you can systemize things, build brand and authority in your market.
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  • Profile picture of the author pippedy
    Some great information here. I must admit, having been on the wrong side of google myself in the past, i am reluctant to try anything that might upset them. This is actually a good idea though, and done in the right way will see results. Thanks for the info
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  • Profile picture of the author lembone
    Can you really get good TRaffic from Face Book ads? And as far as Adwords go, i done with them. i must be stupid or something because i loose Way to much money with them!
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