Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source?

by Matthew Olson 158 replies
Hi Guys...

I'm venturing into paid traffic sources and was wondering if anyone had any feedback regarding Media Traffic, TrafficVance or any other PPV companies.

Is this a worthwhile traffic source for cpa offers? And if so, what types of cpa offers work best?

Thanks in advance...
#ad networks (cpm/cpl, display) #choice #good #media #traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author kensmonies
    the same always holds true. You get what you pay for and if it sounds too good to be true...

    I don't have any experience with those 2 particular companies but in my experience that sort of traffic usually sucks if its inexpensive and not worth the investment.

    Also i have heard that cpa traffic works well for some stuff but other stuff it never converts well.

    Maybe you should find some people who have experience with whatever you are trying to sell and ask them what cpa offers they have had luck with.

    Either way, the best traffic is always the traffic you generate yourself if you learn how to drive targeted traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeMorgan
    I do not have any experince with these companies .

    But , there is a truth you should know very well.

    If they offer targeting options and not have any big problems of fraud , just test it .

    I hope it helps .

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  • Profile picture of the author LeivaMatias
    PPV traffic is cheap.

    The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer.

    I have been doing some tests daily and sometimes getting 3000% return on my advertising.

    Reason being:

    1. Cheap traffic
    2. Highly targeted sites (long tailed keywords) etc.

    I recommend PPV.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew Olson
      Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post

      PPV traffic is cheap.

      The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer.

      I have been doing some tests daily and sometimes getting 3000% return on my advertising.

      Reason being:

      1. Cheap traffic
      2. Highly targeted sites (long tailed keywords) etc.

      I recommend PPV.
      Thanks for the feedback. 3000% return on your advertising is very encouraging!

      You said "The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer." Could you please clarify what you mean by targeting a specific part of a website?

      Also, any recommendation on a good PPV company? I've been doing some investigating and getting mixed reviews.

      Thanks,
      Matt
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      • Profile picture of the author ExpertMkt
        wow, very interesting stuff you guys are working on. I wouldn't do it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kyle L Hannah
      Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post


      I have been doing some tests daily and sometimes getting 3000% return on my advertising.

      I almost spit up my drink on my computer screen .. :rolleyes:

      I've been studying and testing ppv for a while now and although I know it's a good source of traffic if done right, a 3000% ROI is simply unheard of.

      Your a friend of mine but come on, who's leg are you pulling
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      • Profile picture of the author ILUVCA$H
        Yea your right on with this one even the best LP and niche with the best conversions would not get you any where close to this. Most people I know that get PPV traffic to convert just a little are thrilled beyond imagination I blew a good amount on my test budget to find cpa offers that converted and even still the convert rates were not insane like that.

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      • Originally Posted by Kyle L Hannah View Post

        I almost spit up my drink on my computer screen .. :rolleyes:

        I've been studying and testing ppv for a while now and although I know it's a good source of traffic if done right, a 3000% ROI is simply unheard of.

        Your a friend of mine but come on, who's leg are you pulling
        I like your humor!

        However, 3000% IS NOT UNHEARD of at all!

        BIG BOYS in PPV see 5000% ROI and Higher.

        You must remember even with the successful marketers using PPV...you ALWAYS have your 97%er's and the 3%...However, the goal is to become a part of the TRUE TOP 1% er's.

        This begins in THE MIND! No..no... no "The Secret" Here. This is THE TRUTH!! It Begins in the mind...YOU MUST MAKE MASTERING PPV A MUST...AND EXPECT A 3000% RETURN AND MORE...
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        • Profile picture of the author glide21
          Originally Posted by SuperAffiliateRockStar View Post

          I like your humor!

          However, 3000% IS NOT UNHEARD of at all!

          BIG BOYS in PPV see 5000% ROI and Higher.

          You must remember even with the successful marketers using PPV...you ALWAYS have your 97%er's and the 3%...However, the goal is to become a part of the TRUE TOP 1% er's.

          This begins in THE MIND! No..no... no "The Secret" Here. This is THE TRUTH!! It Begins in the mind...YOU MUST MAKE MASTERING PPV A MUST...AND EXPECT A 3000% RETURN AND MORE...
          Are you be happy to go into a live webinar and present your PPV stats and then your earning stats? Logging in to each live and in front of an audience?? Anyone can make 5000% ROI once or twice, all you have to do is present an $35 offer once and it gets taken up, no big deal. Do that everytime, please show us live. If you can teach people to do that every single time, you will be able to retire as you will be followed like the Pied Piper.
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          • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
            YUP... webinar or it never happened.

            I make 15 no 17,000% on all my campaigns.
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          • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
            Originally Posted by ZIJA View Post

            Just crack the code here. The trick is finding the right offer that's converting well. talk to your AM. Use targeted keywords and urls. Boy the moment I switched my campaign to another it just skyrocketed.
            How long have you been running the campaign? How is it working now?

            Are you direct linking or using a lander?

            Which traffic network are you using?
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            So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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            • Profile picture of the author Agent007
              PPV is getting way TOO EXPENSIVE!!! Period!!!!

              And the bidding not fair. Many bids on converting domains are 50 cents to $1+. Noone in their right mind would pay $1 for an impression to get a lead.....unless they worked for the PPV network. The conversions are way too low. Or Im just getting scrubbed by Hydra, NeverBlue, ClickBank etc.

              Another reason PPV bidding is BAD now is that its not fair. A target may have only 3 bids BUT the top bid may usually be like $1.57. If it was fair then with a starting bid of 1 cent and incremental increases of 0.1 cents would see the top position (#1) only require a bid of 1.3 cents. Sometimes the gap between bidders can be over 10 cents.

              If you work it out on a CPM basis starting bids are at $10 CPM for 1 cent. But you may have to pay $50-$100 CPM to get any traffic >100 impressions/day now. That's US traffic.

              It's getting way too saturated!!!

              If you believe it isnt them PM me a real world example campign for me to test in private and see if it works.
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              • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
                007 that sounds like DCPV... The bids over there are beyond stupid.

                As is anyone can make 1.68 PER VIEW work with a broad keyword like car insurance...

                Ridiculous.
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                • Profile picture of the author Agent007
                  Originally Posted by Christian Fox View Post

                  007 that sounds like DCPV...
                  Sorry not them. Never heard of DCPV network. Nothing in Google about them.
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                  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
                    Originally Posted by Agent007 View Post

                    Sorry not them. Never heard of DCPV network. Nothing in Google about them.
                    DCPV = Direct CPV I guess.

                    Christian Fox and I, we are both in a private coaching club and it reveals a lot about some other CPV ad networks. Some people are having success with MT, TV, but some other had some success with other CPV Ad Network.

                    I've PMed you about 2 suggestions that I personally use, to make a higher return as compared to MT

                    Hope this helps.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Agent007
                      Thanks for your PM Aiden. I spent 5 minutes writing a reply them bloody WF nuked it because I dont have 50- posts yet. Grrrr. Sorry. No time to retype. But I do use the first ad PPV network. Yes its cheap and fairer bidding, but not much traffic in popular niches. I must ask my AM there where their traffic is mainly from.

                      Guess I'll have to post some useless posts to get my post count up for PMing now. .....where's the Shoot Your **** forum? haha
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    • Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post

      PPV traffic is cheap.

      The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer.

      I have been doing some tests daily and sometimes getting 3000% return on my advertising.

      Reason being:

      1. Cheap traffic
      2. Highly targeted sites (long tailed keywords) etc.

      I recommend PPV.
      This GUY KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING AND TALKING ABOUT!!!!
      GREAT DEAL Matais!!
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  • Profile picture of the author GreatBiz
    I tested AdonNetwork (PPV) using an free auto insurance quote offer. Over 3000 impressions but zero signup. Apparently, it depends on the kind of offer. It is true that some kinds of offers work better in certain advertising networks. Anyway, I will be trying "ringtone" type of offers with AdonNetwork. We shall see how well it converts.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyk1968
    I just cannot see how ppv can be effective apart from the big niches like weight loss, gambling, making money. The reason? You have absolutely no demographic/interest information on the punters running the software. I spoke with media traffic yesterday and wanted to know out of the 15 million users that had downloaded the software how many were UK based, the answer I got is UK is #2, what does that tell me? Not a great deal!

    If I then want to look at specific keywords/urls there is no way on earth they can tell me what those users interests or hobbies are as ppv is just about blindly rotating ads hoping something will stick. A particular niche I looked at has no competition on MT for the main players URL even though this is a worldwide company employing 1000s turning over >£100million.

    With PPC I *can* do research which tells me how big the pool is, the geographics, the trends, the estimated cost, all of that *before* I commit to a single penny.

    If I go to MT and say I want UK small and medium sized business owners looking at Sage accounting software what are they going to tell me? Nothing.....because they do not have stats!
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil
    I have found that many CPA networks do not permit this kind of traffic
    source. So to begin with, you are restricted as to which offers can be
    used.

    So far, I have had zero results using these traffic sources. I have tried
    4 different offers, and had 4000+ views and clickthroughs but not one
    conversion. Yes, I checked the figures with the CPA networks. And tracked
    the clicks.

    Now, that's not to say this isn't a valuable traffic source - but it does take
    some testing and it is certainly true to say that some offers will work and
    others will not.
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    • Profile picture of the author dropship
      Originally Posted by Phil View Post

      I have found that many CPA networks do not permit this kind of traffic
      source. So to begin with, you are restricted as to which offers can be
      used.

      So far, I have had zero results using these traffic sources. I have tried
      4 different offers, and had 4000+ views and clickthroughs but not one
      conversion. Yes, I checked the figures with the CPA networks. And tracked
      the clicks.

      Now, that's not to say this isn't a valuable traffic source - but it does take
      some testing and it is certainly true to say that some offers will work and
      others will not.
      Which network did you try?
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      • Profile picture of the author Phil
        Originally Posted by dropship View Post

        Which network did you try?
        I've PM-ed you. I don't wish to create negative publicity for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    ppv can work really well - however it takes lots of test, lots and lots of testing to find winners. But once you find them they rock!
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    • Profile picture of the author soffell
      I ever send email to Affiliate Manager Adjal CPA network

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      Me :
      Hi Jose,

      Plz Advice ..

      Can I use Adaware traffics ( www.mediatraffic.com, www.trafficvance.com, www.zango.com ) for CPA offer?
      If yes, what CPA network allow this campaign?
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      Affiliate Manager :
      Hi,

      For us it's not a problem. Perhaps if an advertiser notices it... but if you cover your tracks (double meta refresh, etc), it won't give you any trouble.

      Let me know if I can assist you further.

      Jose
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      Me :
      Hi,

      Oke thank You, No hidden track because I send visitor directly to landing page with link provided by you (no redirect with domain)

      I hope this clear , cos' I always ask my affiliate manager in other netwotk before campaign using adaware campaign
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      Affiliate Manager :
      Hi again.

      It will be ok for sure.

      Have a nice day.

      Jose
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      So, don't forget to ask your affiliate manager before using PPV

      Soffell
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      • Profile picture of the author Hookd
        Originally Posted by soffell View Post

        I ever send email to Affiliate Manager Adjal CPA network

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        Me :
        Hi Jose,

        Plz Advice ..

        Can I use Adaware traffics (
        If yes, what CPA network allow this campaign?
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        Affiliate Manager :
        Hi,

        For us it's not a problem. Perhaps if an advertiser notices it... but if you cover your tracks (double meta refresh, etc), it won't give you any trouble.

        Let me know if I can assist you further.

        Jose
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        -----------------------------------------
        Me :
        Hi,

        Oke thank You, No hidden track because I send visitor directly to landing page with link provided by you (no redirect with domain)

        I hope this clear , cos' I always ask my affiliate manager in other netwotk before campaign using adaware campaign
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        ------------------------------------
        Affiliate Manager :
        Hi again.

        It will be ok for sure.

        Have a nice day.

        Jose
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        So, don't forget to ask your affiliate manager before using PPV

        Soffell
        LOL what set up for failure, then the next thing you know your account is suspended
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  • Profile picture of the author webatomic
    What kind of offers are working best for you guys on PPV?
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    • Profile picture of the author Clinch
      Originally Posted by webatomic View Post

      What kind of offers are working best for you guys on PPV?
      Started doing this about 2 1/2 months ago.

      Simple email submits for gift cards or gas cards is your answer.

      I spread my income amongst 4 CPA networks. 3 I'll keep secrets but Neverblue ads I'll share w/ you guys b/c they have no problem with this method.

      I make an extra $150 - $200 month with this method of PPV + CPA.

      Literally, a set and forget method.

      Here is a screenshot of my neverblue earnings:



      At the rate I'm going I'm totally going to blow last months earnings w/ this method out of the water! Today
      is only the 7th. So far it is my favorite "Set & Forget Method!"

      I'll probably do some more email submit testing and scale upward.

      Can't wait to get up to $1000 so I can get weekly checks with Neverblue. Muahaha!
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      • Profile picture of the author Philomina
        Originally Posted by Clinch View Post

        Started doing this about 2 1/2 months ago.

        Simple email submits for gift cards or gas cards is your answer.

        I spread my income amongst 4 CPA networks. 3 I'll keep secrets but Neverblue ads I'll share w/ you guys b/c they have no problem with this method.

        I make an extra $150 - $200 month with this method of PPV + CPA.

        Literally, a set and forget method.

        Here is a screenshot of my neverblue earnings:



        At the rate I'm going I'm totally going to blow last months earnings w/ this method out of the water! Today
        is only the 7th. So far it is my favorite "Set & Forget Method!"

        I'll probably do some more email submit testing and scale upward.

        Can't wait to get up to $1000 so I can get weekly checks with Neverblue. Muahaha!
        Hi Clinch,

        Do you use keywords or urls as targets.
        Typically how many of either do you use.

        Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author T3DMNet
      Just a heads up on Trafficvance. They are a full service CPA Network. Their minimum deposit is $10K! They are supposedly launching "Self Service" campaign management in Q4 that is similar to the other CPAs.

      Clinch,

      Can you elaborate on your monthly cost for Neverblue Ad Campaign #1 as per above? What are you netting?
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      • Profile picture of the author dropship
        Originally Posted by T3DMNet View Post

        Just a heads up on Trafficvance. They are a full service CPA Network. Their minimum deposit is $10K! They are supposedly launching "Self Service" campaign management in Q4 that is similar to the other CPAs.

        Clinch,

        Can you elaborate on your monthly cost for Neverblue Ad Campaign #1 as per above? What are you netting?

        So did it recently go up from $1k to $10K?
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        • Profile picture of the author TE2
          Originally Posted by dropship View Post

          So did it recently go up from $1k to $10K?
          Not to mention the fact that they are NOT a CPA network.

          They are a CPV traffic provider.

          Regards,

          John
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          • Profile picture of the author T3DMNet
            Originally Posted by dropship View Post

            So did it recently go up from $1k to $10K?
            My bad! It is in fact $1K. I was thinking of Kontera. They want mad money.


            Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

            Not to mention the fact that they are NOT a CPA network.

            They are a CPV traffic provider.

            Regards,

            John
            Correct they are a "white-label" contextual in-text advertiser. They do not have CPA offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Hey Clinch, if you don't mind, what are your costs to get that extra? I'm just starting out with PPV, so all info is welcome. I can also recommend Stephon "Phon" Rudd as he's a master at this type of traffic with CPA
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    • Profile picture of the author quickregister
      I think the most important step is to find a really super converting offer that has a huge payout. I have been testing one CPA offer that has given me 6 sales total $242. in commissions for 117 clicks. This gives me some leeway to try some paid advertising. I think you also have to have an offer which appeals to a wide audience. This way you can buy cheaper traffic like run of network type traffic from a variety of sources. Hey, I am just getting going with this but I think you really have to look at what you are promoting first. Not all offers are created equal.
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  • Profile picture of the author webatomic
    I'm doing ok with the email submits but struggling with the higher payout offers. Care to share any tips on those?
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    • Profile picture of the author OPLeads
      With PPV the most important part is understanding how the PPV network is getting their "customers" (the ones that downloaded the adware). If you can't find it out searching, ask your PPV representative.

      If you know who are the people most of the times you will find that they are interested in certain products, such as Gambling, Dating, P-orn, PayDay offers, or freebies etc...

      So now that you know this, you will have to look for offers that are falling within these categories. And the places where they hang out the most. Get a good URl scraper such as the free LaserURL and get your target URLS.

      The second most important part (after knowing who uses the adware) is tracking. Get Prosper (free) or one of the paid tracking software. You also need a URL rotator and if you don't want to let your aff. manager see the traffic source, also a ref. blanker. The best solution I have found, and that includes both the URL rotator, ref. blanker and that works together with Prosper is WPLinkEngine (WP plugin). This way you can rotate your offers (includes Geo tracking) and find the best converting offer for the targeted URL.

      Originally Posted by webatomic View Post

      I'm doing ok with the email submits but struggling with the higher payout offers. Care to share any tips on those?
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  • Profile picture of the author webatomic
    Wow. Thanks for all the advice. I already use Prosper202, which has a URL rotator and some type of cloaking built in. I downloaded the URL scraper and am checking it out. My experience has been the more URLs I try and target the worse my ROI is. I originally started out with thousands, then hundreds and now down to just a few and my ROI has improved dramatically. although obviously the volume is way down. I'll play around with the URL scraper though and do some more testing. Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author TE2
      Originally Posted by webatomic View Post

      Wow. Thanks for all the advice. I already use Prosper202, which has a URL rotator and some type of cloaking built in. I downloaded the URL scraper and am checking it out. My experience has been the more URLs I try and target the worse my ROI is. I originally started out with thousands, then hundreds and now down to just a few and my ROI has improved dramatically. although obviously the volume is way down. I'll play around with the URL scraper though and do some more testing. Thanks!
      Yes, you are on the right track.

      Tighter targets = less spend and less traffic = higher ROI.

      The way I set up my campaigns, I am typically getting 3000+ ROI.

      Regards,

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author webatomic
        Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

        Yes, you are on the right track.

        Tighter targets = less spend and less traffic = higher ROI.

        The way I set up my campaigns, I am typically getting 3000+ ROI.

        Regards,

        John
        Wow that's awesome! How many URLs do you typically target per campaign? Also care to share what types of offers give you that ROI?
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        • Profile picture of the author TE2
          Originally Posted by webatomic View Post

          Wow that's awesome! How many URLs do you typically target per campaign? Also care to share what types of offers give you that ROI?
          Just a few URL's that are a variation of one specific URL with type match applied.

          It's not the offer that gives me that type of ROI; it's the targeting method. I can typically get that ROI in any category as long as it is within the categories and demographics served by that CPV source.

          ie. If using MediaTraffic, then the top categories are: gambling, dating, shopping, finance, travel, health, and mobile & wireless.

          That's as much as I am willing to say...

          Regards,

          John
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          • Profile picture of the author webatomic
            Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

            Just a few URL's that are a variation of one specific URL with type match applied.
            Thanks so much. What do you mean by type match applied though? I'm using Media Traffic. They offer this kind of matching:

            Precision Match Syntax:
            target = Complete URL
            "target" = URL without query string
            [target] = Query string only
            *target* = Search engine
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            • Profile picture of the author TE2
              Originally Posted by webatomic View Post

              Thanks so much. What do you mean by type match applied though? I'm using Media Traffic. They offer this kind of matching:

              Precision Match Syntax:
              target = Complete URL
              "target" = URL without query string
              [target] = Query string only

              *target* = Search engine
              See if you can find the hint hidden in this reply.

              And that's all I am saying...

              John
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              • Profile picture of the author Neowave09
                Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

                See if you can find the hint hidden in this reply.

                And that's all I am saying...

                John
                John,

                Are you seeing that people actually go about typing out the subdomains or the exact pages as well?

                Thanks John,

                Frank
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                • Profile picture of the author lantil5
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                  We can ask Adeel as he have Experience with PPV network and had worked lot .
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                  • Profile picture of the author pbiewenga
                    TE2 - I got question for you.

                    Concentrating on the categories for MediaTraffic, like gambling, dating and so on...

                    1) Which type of offers do you select? Zip/email submits with low payouts or do you go for higher payouts above $10 (and for higher payout does that includes the free trial offers with requires c/card submit?

                    2) when selecting your few URLs - to you usually select the top10 websites in google as your URLs? are a bit more than that?

                    Thanks
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                    • Profile picture of the author TE2
                      Originally Posted by pbiewenga View Post

                      1) Which type of offers do you select? Zip/email submits with low payouts or do you go for higher payouts above $10 (and for higher payout does that includes the free trial offers with requires c/card submit?
                      High payout - typically $20 and up. Yes, including free trial offers with rebill.

                      Originally Posted by pbiewenga View Post

                      1) 2) when selecting your few URLs - to you usually select the top10 websites in google as your URLs? are a bit more than that?
                      The top 10 in google may be included. I try to target as highly as I can. Every campaign is unique. I never test more than 50 URL's at a time.

                      Regards,

                      John
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                      • Profile picture of the author pbiewenga
                        Thanks for you contributes, much appreciated

                        I have another question (if you are willing to answer) :-)
                        As example I'm gonna use a free trial CPA offer (diet/health) payout $40

                        You said that you use a few (more or less 50 at a time) URL's with a variation of each and type match applied.
                        Do I understand you corrent if I target my URL's as follow with my CPV provider:

                        1) "fastdiet.com/a.htm"
                        "fastdiet.com/b.htm"
                        "fastdiet.com/c.htm"

                        2) "bestdiet.com/a.htm"
                        "bestdiet.com/b.htm"
                        "dietbest.com/c.htm"

                        In other words, to see when conversion comes from specific pages in a website?
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                        • Profile picture of the author pbiewenga
                          oh forgot to ask - with aboved sample, do you usually make use of popup or popunder (CPA direct landing page) ?
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                          • Profile picture of the author TE2
                            Originally Posted by pbiewenga View Post

                            oh forgot to ask - with aboved sample, do you usually make use of popup or popunder (CPA direct landing page) ?
                            I do pop-over if the CPV network can do it. Most only do pop-under.
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                        • Profile picture of the author TE2
                          Originally Posted by pbiewenga View Post

                          Thanks for you contributes, much appreciated

                          I have another question (if you are willing to answer) :-)
                          As example I'm gonna use a free trial CPA offer (diet/health) payout $40

                          You said that you use a few (more or less 50 at a time) URL's with a variation of each and type match applied.
                          Do I understand you corrent if I target my URL's as follow with my CPV provider:

                          1) "fastdiet.com/a.htm"
                          "fastdiet.com/b.htm"
                          "fastdiet.com/c.htm"

                          2) "bestdiet.com/a.htm"
                          "bestdiet.com/b.htm"
                          "dietbest.com/c.htm"

                          In other words, to see when conversion comes from specific pages in a website?
                          I think I understand your question, and the answer is "correct".
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                          • Profile picture of the author pbiewenga
                            TE2 -->

                            Thanks. Now I have one LAST question :-)

                            I'm testing a diet/detox CPA offer from Neverblue, using Mediatraffic.
                            I'm running about 50 (different) URL's and 20 of the main URL's I can see some competing activity on the bidding. US and Canada traffic.

                            However, It's been 24 hours now and only got 1 view total. Should I add more targets/find target URL's that gets more visitors.... I have heard before that MediaTraffic starts slow and then accelerates after 3 days?

                            thanks
                            -Pieter
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                            • Profile picture of the author TE2
                              Originally Posted by pbiewenga View Post

                              TE2 -->

                              Thanks. Now I have one LAST question :-)

                              I'm testing a diet/detox CPA offer from Neverblue, using Mediatraffic.
                              I'm running about 50 (different) URL's and 20 of the main URL's I can see some competing activity on the bidding. US and Canada traffic.

                              However, It's been 24 hours now and only got 1 view total. Should I add more targets/find target URL's that gets more visitors.... I have heard before that MediaTraffic starts slow and then accelerates after 3 days?

                              thanks
                              -Pieter
                              There just may not be any/enough traffic on MT for the offer type and URLs you are testing.

                              You can let it run a few more days and see if you get any more (some offers seem to be better on certain days fo the week and hours of the day).

                              Or, you can try adding another group of targets. More URL's or maybe try some long tail keywords. I have my best results with URL's but occasionally find some campaigns respond to KW targets.

                              Regards,

                              John
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                              • Let's ask another question.

                                Are PPV programs ethical???


                                Many affiliates are using PPV to STEAL commission from other affiliates.

                                I see affiliates here on WF complain all the time about losing sales on CB or CB not tracking right and I think a big part of the problem is they are losing sales due to other affiliates stealing their commissions VIA PPV.

                                Yet I always see a bunch of posts in this section of WF talking about how much they are using PPV. I suppose like any other tool, a hammer, for instance, it can be used in the normal way or could be used to hurt others.

                                I'm doing research for a big blog post I'm going to be doing on the subject,
                                so curious about what you guys think? :confused:
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                                • Profile picture of the author TE2
                                  Originally Posted by 5starAffiliatePrograms View Post


                                  Are PPV programs ethical???
                                  Yes, CPV traffic is an ethical source.

                                  Can it be abused or misused? Yes, just like others.

                                  On the plus side, I also believe it is more difficult for someone to, for example, rip off competing campaigns like they can with PPC traffic. Have you ever seen a spy tool for CPV?

                                  Regards,

                                  John
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Neowave09
                                    Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

                                    See if you can find the hint hidden in this reply.

                                    And that's all I am saying...

                                    John
                                    Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

                                    Yes, CPV traffic is an ethical source.

                                    Can it be abused or misused? Yes, just like others.

                                    On the plus side, I also believe it is more difficult for someone to, for example, rip off competing campaigns like they can with PPC traffic. Have you ever seen a spy tool for CPV?

                                    Regards,

                                    John
                                    The only spytool for PPV is to work for the PPV company or download the actual adware software and test. If there WAS a spytool that would certainly be great.

                                    PPV is like the content network but you are being much more pushy so the offer better be more targeted / worth their time.

                                    Frank
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                                    • Profile picture of the author TE2
                                      Originally Posted by Neowave09 View Post

                                      If there WAS a spytool that would certainly be great.
                                      The fact that there is no spy tool for CPV is one reason I think CPV is great.

                                      Regards,

                                      John
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                                      • However with PPC there is NO way to specifically target other affiliates sites and with PPC the ad is just on Google. The ad does NOT pop right on top of the affiliate's site and STEAL their cookie.

                                        Even with the content network you can only place ads on sites that have Adsense and the ad is in an Adsense bank where the CTR is lower. With PPV the ad usually pops right on top of the victim's site.

                                        By using KW targeting with the product name or whatever you can pop on top of ANY affililiate's site and steal their commission, even if they aren't using Adsense. You can also target by URL to pop on specific affiliate's site.

                                        Has everyone seen the video of how Adware affiliates are stealing Clickbank sales with PPV?

                                        Clickbank Parasites and Adware Video


                                        Aside from the issue of stealing affiliate commissions here's how I see PPV.

                                        If I as a webmaster spend time building my site and driving traffic to MY site that is MY site and MY traffic. For someone else to pop on MY site and steal MY traffic is unethical, even if an affiliate commission is not involved. That's MY web property and other marketers should not be able to steal my traffic.

                                        My 2 cents...
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                                        • Profile picture of the author TE2
                                          Hey Linda,

                                          Personally, I don't target in the manner you revealed. How I target is 100% ethical but I am not going to reveal it as it would give away my method.

                                          Like you, I loathe the thieves who steal other affiliate's due compensation.

                                          Sadly, your post will teach a lot of people how to do the very thing you are against.

                                          Regards,

                                          John
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                                          • Profile picture of the author dseisner
                                            Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

                                            Hey Linda,

                                            Personally, I don't target in the manner you revealed. How I target is 100% ethical but I am not going to reveal it as it would give away my method.

                                            Like you, I loathe the thieves who steal other affiliate's due compensation.

                                            Sadly, your post will teach a lot of people how to do the very thing you are against.

                                            Regards,

                                            John
                                            Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing!
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                                    • Profile picture of the author ..Q..
                                      Originally Posted by Neowave09 View Post

                                      The only spytool for PPV is to work for the PPV company or download the actual adware software and test. If there WAS a spytool that would certainly be great.

                                      PPV is like the content network but you are being much more pushy so the offer better be more targeted / worth their time.

                                      Frank
                                      Spying is definitely the way to go... see what works, test it and then improve on it.

                                      Right now I'm thinking outsourcing the spying of PPV would be very wise.

                                      You can make better use of that time to improving the other areas of
                                      your campaign.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Agent007
                              After spending several grand on using PPV (3 major networks) the last 18 months I have to say I smell a rat. Popunder traffic DOESNT work.

                              I did some testing with PopUnder traffic with one network few weeks ago. My results were BAD news for PPV. Over 96% of the popunder windows were only open for a few seconds. I suspect popup blockers affect them. Email my AM about this but so far it is unanswered. Also tried it with a parked domain with Yahoo ad feeds....one campaign always givs me 60% ctr on ad clicks using Google Adwords, with PopUnders the ctr plummetted down to 4%! WTF!!!

                              So I would love to know how are people are making profit from PopUnder PPV traffic?

                              I could if the cost wasnt so hugh as conversion are extremely low or non existant for even lead zip/email submit offers.

                              I suspect that I need to cancel popunders and look more at banner, display, text ads with these networks instead. Or maybe intersitial ads. But popunders are DEAD!

                              Footnote: My AM did say I should try text link ads. Maybe just to get me to spend more money with them. But worth a test so I know anyway. Also all of my targets (keywords & urls) were highly targetted and relevant for the offers....eg auto insurance leads only had auto/car insurance keywords & urls.

                              HTH helps all the noobs about to try PPV/CPV popunders. You will need $1,000's for testing and getting data that you are prepared to invest without much monetary return. Buyer Beware!
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                              • Profile picture of the author JeremyShawaf
                                Originally Posted by Agent007 View Post

                                After spending several grand on using PPV (3 major networks) the last 18 months I have to say I smell a rat. Popunder traffic DOESNT work.

                                I did some testing with PopUnder traffic with one network few weeks ago. My results were BAD news for PPV. Over 96% of the popunder windows were only open for a few seconds. I suspect popup blockers affect them. Email my AM about this but so far it is unanswered. Also tried it with a parked domain with Yahoo ad feeds....one campaign always givs me 60% ctr on ad clicks using Google Adwords, with PopUnders the ctr plummetted down to 4%! WTF!!!

                                So I would love to know how are people are making profit from PopUnder PPV traffic?

                                I could if the cost wasnt so hugh as conversion are extremely low or non existant for even lead zip/email submit offers.

                                I suspect that I need to cancel popunders and look more at banner, display, text ads with these networks instead. Or maybe intersitial ads. But popunders are DEAD!

                                Footnote: My AM did say I should try text link ads. Maybe just to get me to spend more money with them. But worth a test so I know anyway. Also all of my targets (keywords & urls) were highly targetted and relevant for the offers....eg auto insurance leads only had auto/car insurance keywords & urls.

                                HTH helps all the noobs about to try PPV/CPV popunders. You will need $1,000's for testing and getting data that you are prepared to invest without much monetary return. Buyer Beware!
                                Yeah, they are rather silly if you think about it.....

                                For every single pop under Ive ever had, is part of all the windows I just close automatically when my browsing session is over, it's just click click click I dont care what that is, and I dont even look.

                                I imagine many others do the exact same thing. With a pop up I usually close it almost right away, but at least Im forced to actually look at it and read. Pop unders are silly, but of course it depends on your ad copy and network and Im sure other factors

                                I just dont like it and am glad that my advertising network doesnt use pop unders, or at least they dont solely use pop unders. I see them happen all the time though, and I guarantee they are the last things I would be looking at for ads.


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                • Profile picture of the author TE2
                  Originally Posted by Neowave09 View Post

                  John,

                  Are you seeing that people actually go about typing out the subdomains or the exact pages as well?

                  Thanks John,

                  Frank
                  Frank,

                  Just saw your question...

                  The pop-over/under is triggered when the a person visits the target URL regardless of how they arrive at it.


                  Regards,

                  John
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  • Profile picture of the author OPLeads
    webatomic, no problem. What you describe is the reality with both PPV and PPC placement campaigns. You start off with several thousand URLs and through tracking you will see which ones convert and which don't. Those that do not convert you take out... There will always be an adding and taking out of URLs.

    Prosper's cloaking method will show the tracking url as the ref. - at least most of the times. (Some Browsers leak) If you need ref. cloaking to be cloaked or blanked 100% then you need to get another tool. Also, I found it an disadvantage Prosper's build in rotation does not allow to specify different CPA networks and Payouts.
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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    I'm just going to come right out and say that I don't believe in Adware networks in the slightest. Traffic Vance, Media Traffic and Clicksor are all the same; unreliable sources of - aside from traffic exchanges - the most untargeted traffic you could probably ever find!

    I joined a program in the start of January (not naming names) that was all about email marketing. The marketer in question offered to provide ongoing training (i.e. a video a month) for the next 12 months...

    I gave it a try and cut a long story short one of the recent videos was all about these networks. To be honest, I've never seen such B.S in my life!

    Do forgive me if I sound a little naive here, this stuff isn't really my "thing". But I have to say that I think anyone claiming that these PPV companies are a reliable source of traffic is probably trying to sell you something.

    Because of the way in which your ads are displayed (and even though they are relevant and in-context) I think they'll just p*ss a load of people off. The chances are there are a few people here and there who REALLY know what they're doing making money with this stuff. I mean, surely it has to work in some niches...
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  • Profile picture of the author dropship
    It's best to make your own landing page at the specific size of pop-up they allowed like 750 x 500. Otherwise if you are just sending the user to the direct landing page, they will have to scroll through the window.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roman8389
      Originally Posted by dropship View Post

      It's best to make your own landing page at the specific size of pop-up they allowed like 750 x 500. Otherwise if you are just sending the user to the direct landing page, they will have to scroll through the window.
      Do the advertisers usually provide banners of this size to use with CPV? I'm kind of confused about making a landing page that is 750 x 500.
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      • Profile picture of the author TE2
        Originally Posted by Roman8389 View Post

        Do the advertisers usually provide banners of this size to use with CPV? I'm kind of confused about making a landing page that is 750 x 500.
        No, that size creative does not exist.
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        • Profile picture of the author Roman8389
          Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

          No, that size creative does not exist.
          So what actually pops up if it's not a banner? Do you just direct link to the LP and have the customer scroll through/maximize the window?
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          • Profile picture of the author TE2
            Originally Posted by Roman8389 View Post

            So what actually pops up if it's not a banner? Do you just direct link to the LP and have the customer scroll through/maximize the window?
            You are always sending them to a landing page.

            - That page can be the offer's landing page (that you direct link to)

            - It could be a page you create (ie - you could make a banner only page, or you could send them to a typical opt-in page, or you could send them to your blog, or...)

            - It could be a page that someone else created

            Bottom line, you always send them to a page.

            CPV is a traffic source. You have to tell it what page to pop. Banners are located on pages (even if they are the only thing on that page).
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            • Profile picture of the author Roman8389
              Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

              Banners are located on pages (even if they are the only thing on that page).
              That was the part I misunderstood (even though it's actually pretty obvious). So if I understand it right: You can choose to have a banner pop OR have the LP itself pop. If you choose to have the LP pop, the customer will have to scroll or maximize the window; and if you have a banner pop, you will probably have to make it yourself since the advertisers don't provide that size of banner.

              Right?
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              • Profile picture of the author TE2
                Originally Posted by Roman8389 View Post

                If you choose to have the LP pop, the customer will have to scroll or maximize the window; and if you have a banner pop, you will probably have to make it yourself since the advertisers don't provide that size of banner.

                Right?
                Correct for most CPV networks. I know one that pops to whatever size the user had left their last browser window sized at.

                For a banner only page - pick a banner that you like and make a landing page that only has that banner on it. I suggest one of the large rectangular banners (336 x 280). Depending on the quality of the image, you can sometimes tweak the size to something larger.

                Last thought - test, test, test!!! I have tried this and CTR was terrible. If you want to run banners, I suggest media buys is a better ad spend.

                Regards,

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  • Profile picture of the author raamanand
    LeivaMatias, can you please let me know how and where you got that 3000% RoI?
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  • Profile picture of the author oscarkool
    The problem with media traffic is that you cant really target large URLs because you can't go over 40 characters. This sucks because there are so many targeted pages out there that would be great to target. Unfortunately, Media Traffic fails.

    Oh and 5staraffiliate: Welcome to the world of marketing. Sales will get stolen. It's part of the game. You can cry about it as much as you want but it's not going to change. People WILL steal your sales with PPV. Complaining won't solve anything. We are all in this to make money. If that means stealing other peoples sales, then so be it. And yes, I do target affiliates websites with PPV along with every other PPVer out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author dropship
      Originally Posted by oscarkool View Post

      The problem with media traffic is that you cant really target large URLs because you can't go over 40 characters. This sucks because there are so many targeted pages out there that would be great to target. Unfortunately, Media Traffic fails.
      I've noticed this as well with MT. Say you want to target ebay.com but the actual page you want to target is snow blower listings and that URL in ebay would be really long, so it's unfortunate you can't list that on MT. I think they need to expand the 40 character URL limit otherwise you won't be able to target the micro niches with MT.
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      • Profile picture of the author Agent007
        Originally Posted by dropship View Post

        I've noticed this as well with MT. Say you want to target ebay.com but the actual page you want to target is snow blower listings and that URL in ebay would be really long, so it's unfortunate you can't list that on MT. I think they need to expand the 40 character URL limit otherwise you won't be able to target the micro niches with MT.
        I have recently heard about using a url shrinker for the long urls. So you send traffic to the url shrinker's url for a given target and it will open the final destination you want.

        HTH
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        • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
          Originally Posted by Agent007 View Post

          I have recently heard about using a url shrinker for the long urls. So you send traffic to the url shrinker's url for a given target and it will open the final destination you want.

          HTH
          You misunderstand the question. Using a URL shrinker will not help with his targeting problem.

          A few things to know about targeting, especially with Media Traffic...

          1) Advertisers targeting the root domain get most of the traffic, and the bids will usually be higher there (another reason they get the traffic).

          2) The exact page you are targeting usually get comparatively little traffic (how about nearly zero), depending on your advertising network. So targeting those long URLS is most often not productive.

          3) If you can identify a piece of the URL that is unique and specific to your target page, you can use that for targeting.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkOwens
    TrafficVance is by far the best PPV network for many reasons (too many to list in a reply actually).

    The best way to make money from PPV is to scrape a few thousand keywords, set up tracking and run it for a few days. After these few days, remove all the targets that are not making money and push the high converting ones. Within a few weeks you should have a very profitable campaign.
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    • Profile picture of the author blingblam
      Which offers do you guys find convert best with PPV? I assume direct linking is the way to go with ppv, no reason to build a landing page...
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    • Profile picture of the author Agent007
      Originally Posted by Mark Owens View Post

      TrafficVance is by far the best PPV network for many reasons (too many to list in a reply actually).

      The best way to make money from PPV is to scrape a few thousand keywords, set up tracking and run it for a few days. After these few days, remove all the targets that are not making money and push the high converting ones. Within a few weeks you should have a very profitable campaign.
      I would definitely say that is not the best way. Here's why? By selecting 1,000s of targets you have to spend too much money to find out which target converts, and IF the offer converts AT ALL!

      Also as a benchmark I usually let each target accrue 500 impressions before I decide if it converts or deactivate /pause it. That is a reasonable level for PPV traffic. If my PPV target costs me 1 cent/impression, that is $5 (500 x $0.01) to test that target. Quite often I have to spend more per impression in competitive markets like insurance or finance. Maybe, 4 cents which equates to $20 (500 x $0.04) per target for testing.

      See where I'm going????...........

      If I have 1,000s of targets for one offer then I end up spending at least $100s to see if it works.

      Rather TE2 has a better method. One aspect is to think laterally about your offer then get just a handful of highly targetted and relevant targets. Typically I start with about 100-300 targets but in many cases that is too high. I also dont scrape urls from many pages of Google, Yahoo & Bing. At most I scrape the first 3 pages tops.

      That way you spend far less to test an offer or two. If the offer will convert with your PPV provider and method employed, then add more relevant targets. But you cannot make a non-converting campaign work by simply adding more targets. Also you never know if teh merchant and/or CPA network is scrubbing you either. This is a game where you really have to be very alert.

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  • Profile picture of the author TheScalper
    @MarkOwens: Aren't you losing much money with this technique? There is a huge amount of traffic out there (okay, this depends on the ppv network but on the common networks there is very much traffic) and some offers tend to convert just very bad...
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkOwens
      Originally Posted by TheScalper View Post

      @MarkOwens: Aren't you losing much money with this technique? There is a huge amount of traffic out there (okay, this depends on the ppv network but on the common networks there is very much traffic) and some offers tend to convert just very bad...
      Yes you will "lose" money at the start but within a few months you will have a very profitable campaign. Think of it as a longterm investment.

      Just remember no matter what kind of approach you take with PPV, track everything.
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      • Profile picture of the author quickregister
        Originally Posted by MarkOwens View Post

        Yes you will "lose" money at the start but within a few months you will have a very profitable campaign. Think of it as a longterm investment.

        Just remember no matter what kind of approach you take with PPV, track everything.
        Hey Mark Owens, I really like what you said about losing money at first and it is a long term investment. Nobody wants to say this! Everybody wants it "15 minutes from now." We need more long term thinking in internet marketing. I have been breaking even with my PPV campaigns but the customers I have can produce for me over and over so I consider this a win. I like the idea of honing down the keywords and tracking everything. Good stuff. Thanks. Matthew Meyer.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Mark, you hit the nail on the head right there. In terms of simplicity, PPV is far easier to set up than PPC because you don't need to worry about writing text ads and even setting up keyword-optimized landing pages (if you don't want to). The only thing you really need to concentrate on is tracking. I like to think of it as being comparable to throwing mud on the wall, you just throw lots of it (keywords/URLs), and then see what sticks (the profitable ones). After that, you just remove the unprofitable ones and ramp up your campaign with increased spending to see increased returns.



        Originally Posted by MarkOwens View Post

        Yes you will "lose" money at the start but within a few months you will have a very profitable campaign. Think of it as a longterm investment.

        Just remember no matter what kind of approach you take with PPV, track everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author dropship
    Actually building your own landing pages is sometimes better for tracking purposes rather than direct linking so you can track your ROI.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frency
    I'm a newbie -- sorry this might seem really simple... But if anyone understands this, help is greatly appreciated.

    Using MEDIA TRAFFIC ad network with NO keywords; ONLY urls where pop-overs occur.

    Can Prosper202 or Tracking202 be used to track from what sites I'm getting my buyers? If so... anyone know how to? It seems like most of what I'm reading is applying to tracking kws. (and what's the difference between P202 and T202?)

    Here's my sales process: url > pop creative > landing page > offer page (sale!)

    Is it possible, with the creative and landing page in the middle of the process, to know where the sales are coming from?

    thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
      Hi Frency,

      Prosper or T202 can track keywords and urls alike. For the system both are targets, more or less the same.

      Prosper is self-hosted on your own server and T202 can be used on their server. So for privacy, you want to use prosper, to get started easily, you want to use T202.

      Yes, with your own landing page it is even easier to see which target (URL or keyword) has triggered the sale. Do you use any software such as LPgen?

      Hope this helps,

      cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Myheavens
    What kind of offers are working best for you guys on PPV?
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  • Profile picture of the author dropship
    You can also place your tracking pixel from the PPV network on the CPA confirmation page and track your conversions without prosper.
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    • Profile picture of the author cpa007
      Try linksador.com PPV as well. I have had great results promoting cpa with this company. I target domain names only
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  • Profile picture of the author kuterdan
    MediaTraffic starts off pretty quick from my experience. If you only have 50 URL's then you can probably contribute that to the problem. I will normally scrape 1000's of URL's myself. The more URL's and tightly targeted keywords the better. I know there are automatic URL scrapers out there and I've tried them and I don't recommend doing it manually.

    I used one piece of software and I was able to scrape over 30,000 URL's in an hour, that's great but I spent the next 10 hours going through a removing URL's that didn't meet the network requirement ( like too many characters, illigeal characters like / and so on) and also removing URL's that were not tightly focused on the niche. For example almost any keyword you search with URL scraping software will return YouTube.com, yahoo.com, google.com etc... Why because all those sites will have your keyword somewhere on there site.

    So if you somehow forget to remove YouTube and Google and your target market is knitting, everytime someone goes to Google or YouTube for something totally unrelated then your ad is going to pop. That's a good way to go through your budget really quick.

    So I dropped my $47/month software and saved lots more time by just scraping manually. I go to Alexa.com, Search engines, and quantcast and I'm usually able to scrape more than enough good targeted URL's for almost all my campaigns.

    Remember the quality of your URL and Keyword list is the key to your success in using PPV
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  • Profile picture of the author dropship
    I don't use software or tools to scrape URL's either. Everything is manual because if you use a tool you will spend more time weeding out 10,000 URL's only to find that maybe 10 will convert. So I just test about 50 manually and weed them out that way saving me lots of time...
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    • Profile picture of the author Neowave09
      Been using AdOnNetwork for the past 2 months. Conversions are sporadic at best probably because they only offer PopUnders instead of popups.

      I scrape urls and direct link if I can but the popunder size is only 698px wide so sometimes I have create a landing page first.

      Would like to get into MediaTraffic and TrafficVance but their minimums are too high for my budget now. Would love to get into those networks once income can allow it.

      Can anyone recommend any good PPV Networks that allow Popups & more quality traffic and low minimums?

      Thanks a bunch and Happy Holidays everyone,

      Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author TE2
        Originally Posted by Neowave09 View Post

        Can anyone recommend any good PPV Networks that allow Popups & more quality traffic and low minimums?

        The correct term is "pop-overs" and for pop-overs, use media Traffic.

        Regards,

        John
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      • Profile picture of the author PPV Affiliate
        Originally Posted by Neowave09 View Post

        Would like to get into MediaTraffic and TrafficVance but their minimums are too high for my budget now. Would love to get into those networks once income can allow it.
        If you email Media Traffic they can let you in for less
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        • Profile picture of the author Neowave09
          Originally Posted by PPV Affiliate View Post

          If you email Media Traffic they can let you in for less
          TE2 (John): Thanks for the clarification on Pop-overs.

          PPV Affiliate: I've tried contacting them about that and specifically mentioned if they could lower the minimums but they state that it was $200 deposit and $200 per each deposit thereafter.

          Jimmy Vienneau was the rep:

          "Hello Frank,

          I am sorry, but we can not lower the deposit amount. We do offer a refund of the unused balance if you are not happy with the results."
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    • Profile picture of the author TE2
      Originally Posted by dropship View Post

      I don't use software or tools to scrape URL's either. Everything is manual because if you use a tool you will spend more time weeding out 10,000 URL's only to find that maybe 10 will convert. So I just test about 50 manually and weed them out that way saving me lots of time...
      Hey,

      You're giving away all of my secrets... Just kidding. :p

      Seriously, I've stated in many previous threads/posts that I do a maximum of 50 and manually develop my target lists. I do have URLkeywordz and laser URL and a bunch of other tools, but none has ever produced a keyword list as well and as effective as my manual method. One day, I may put it in an ebook and release it.

      Regards,

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author dropship
        Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

        Hey,

        You're giving away all of my secrets... Just kidding. :p

        Seriously, I've stated in many previous threads/posts that I do a maximum of 50 and manually develop my target lists. I do have URLkeywordz and laser URL and a bunch of other tools, but none has ever produced a keyword list as well and as effective as my manual method. One day, I may put it in an ebook and release it.

        Regards,

        John

        Haha.... I never really understood why people use all these tools which I don't think will work as well as manual methods. It's kind of like trying to import 5,000 keywords into a 1 Google Adwords campaign to get lots of traffic and expect good results!
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        • Profile picture of the author TE2
          Originally Posted by dropship View Post

          Haha.... I never really understood why people use all these tools which I don't think will work as well as manual methods. It's kind of like trying to import 5,000 keywords into a 1 Google Adwords campaign to get lots of traffic and expect good results!
          You made me smile with your reply. Thanks!

          Your words are so true. Here's my opinion:

          Most are looking for the easy way before they ever put in any significant effort.

          There's nothing wrong with automation (I'm a proponent), but first you have to have a process that works. You get that by doing. You learn what works and what doesn't. Once, I have something that works, then and only then do I try to streamline it and automate it. That's when tools come into play.

          I haven't made my methods available publicly (or in private) simply because they require more work than most are willing to put forth.

          Sounds harsh but it is true - I have the first hand experience of private coaching to prove it. Most failed to reach success. Why? 90% of them did not, would not or could not do what I shared with them. Sadly, there's really nothing difficult about what I do. It just takes work and most tried to shortcut what I taught them.

          When I can invert the numbers and ensure a high success rate, I'll release it. Until then, I'm not ready to release anything to the masses. The one thing I can't control is the effort others will put forth and that may ultimately mean that I don't share my stuff with anyone but a few in private.

          Sorry, for the rant, but Dropship's reply really resonated - although it really did make me smile because he/she gets it and I strongly relate to that.

          So rant over - if you are in the group that is just looking for the easy way before you put any real effort and learning, my wish is that you stop what you are doing and internalize what I just wrote. Then take action.

          "For things to change for you - you have to change." - Jim Rohn

          Commit that quote to memory and let it be a guiding philosophy.

          Regards,

          John

          ps - Darn... that was passionate wasn't it!
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  • Profile picture of the author dropship
    Excellent reply John! In my membership site I also find that the majority of the people there are looking for shortcuts and not following the real step-by-step methods I teach. Like you mentioned, the process is not hard at all, it just takes the time to implement what you learn. Most people never implement anything and move onto the next ebook, WSO, etc. and find themselves learning in circles...

    About a month or two ago I knew absolutely nothing about PPV, but just by absorbing some good information on forums like WF and a PPV product, I am able to rely more than 50% of my traffic to PPV. However, the most I've learned about PPV traffic is by testing and trying things out on my own. That is how you will learn the best...

    Nick Deez
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  • Profile picture of the author wh0kn0ws
    how do you get a traffic vance account they don't even answer the phone or emails and i heard u need to have a referral..
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Patrick
    Not too familiar with them 2 companies but stay away from ineedhits and revisitors. Over 200,000 hits on "targeted" not one conversion. Dont know what they are doing wrong but they dont work. I'm going to give the trafficvance a shot this weekend.
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    • Profile picture of the author TE2
      Originally Posted by Charles Patrick View Post

      Not too familiar with them 2 companies but stay away from ineedhits and revisitors. Over 200,000 hits on "targeted" not one conversion. Dont know what they are doing wrong but they dont work. I'm going to give the trafficvance a shot this weekend.
      Spot on - I tried both of them about a year or so ago with similar results. I classify both as junk traffic.

      Regards,

      John
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    • Profile picture of the author metaphors
      Originally Posted by Charles Patrick View Post

      Not too familiar with them 2 companies but stay away from ineedhits and revisitors. Over 200,000 hits on "targeted" not one conversion. Dont know what they are doing wrong but they dont work. I'm going to give the trafficvance a shot this weekend.
      I wish your post was up earlier, I just tried revisitors earlier this week targeted to a specific group/niche and after 10,000 hits not 1 single sign up. definately junk or fake traffic. Tried the same landing page with clicksor and got 4 signups in the first hour.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Patrick
    Just signed up with Adon network, not too bad, seems solid so far. Got my ad running at BAM and have a 6% conversion so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author TE2
      Originally Posted by Charles Patrick View Post

      Just signed up with Adon network, not too bad, seems solid so far. Got my ad running at BAM and have a 6% conversion so far.
      BAM?

      I hate to look like an idiot in public, but what is "BAM"?

      Thanks,

      John
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    • Profile picture of the author Agent007
      Originally Posted by Charles Patrick View Post

      Just signed up with Adon network, not too bad, seems solid so far. Got my ad running at BAM and have a 6% conversion so far.
      Which method did you use at Ad On Network? Popunders? Or other type of ad?

      Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Patrick
    sorry about that, seems you cant IM unless you have 50 or more posts, lol still kinda new here.

    BAM stands for Bare Ass Minimum. I started at .15 cents a click, moved to .40 cents a click, still at around 6% convert. Moved to $1.40 per click today but still at 6%. Guess long story short is it seems no matter how much you pay quality stays similar. In case anybodies in left field I was posting about Adon Yesturday.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Patrick
    oh nice, havent tried clicksor yet. Yeah revisitors, fortinately is cheap, so were not out much but it does suck when you pay for XX amount of clicks or hits and they are all fake. I actually got the IP report from revisitors and most of them are from the same IP address. Dont understand how that works but they are definately bad news.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
    The way I set up my campaigns, I am typically getting 3000+ ROI
    Cough bulls&%t Cough....

    Sure if all you are doing is cookie stuffing....

    Your not typically getting 3000% ROI on CPA offers.:rolleyes:

    If you are then you are the most amazing marketer on the planet.

    Perhaps if you are using opt-ins for your own product and even then....
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    • Profile picture of the author rodem
      Hi, where can I download these adwares from Traffic Vance, Media Traffic, ... I would like to test the adwares to feel the experience the prospects will have
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      • Profile picture of the author rodem
        Is there any PPV network offering international geotargeting?
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  • Profile picture of the author bbrock32
    Ok , the respective adware for each ppv company is :

    Traffic Vance - Gamevance

    MediaTraffic - Vomba

    Leadimpact - Zango Toolbar

    AdOn Network - MyGeek Toolbar

    DirectCPV - LoudMO

    All these networks offer international geotargeting , but in my experience LeadImpact and MediaTraffic has the majority of non us traffic.

    Hope that helps
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    • Profile picture of the author PPV Affiliate
      Originally Posted by bbrock32 View Post

      Ok , the respective adware for each ppv company is :

      Traffic Vance - Gamevance

      MediaTraffic - Vomba

      Leadimpact - Zango Toolbar

      AdOn Network - Vomba too

      DirectCPV - LoudMO

      All these networks offer international geotargeting , but in my experience LeadImpact and MediaTraffic has the majority of non us traffic.

      Hope that helps
      That's not entirely accurate..

      Adon - Mygeek shopping toolbar
      Lead Impact - Platrium, Hotbar, & Totallyfunfreestuff toolbars
      Direct CPV - Loudmo plus a few others (they have a bit of intl traffic too)

      Plus, most of those networks (except Traffic Vance) all buy PPV/CPV traffic from the same sources.
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      • Profile picture of the author rodem
        Thanks both ! taking good note of them
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  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
    Originally Posted by Matthew Olson View Post

    Hi Guys...

    I'm venturing into paid traffic sources and was wondering if anyone had any feedback regarding Media Traffic, TrafficVance or any other PPV companies.

    Is this a worthwhile traffic source for cpa offers? And if so, what types of cpa offers work best?

    Thanks in advance...
    I had some seasoned CPV -> CPA marketers telling me only use Media Traffic and TrafficVance, because their quality is far more better than the other smaller cpv/ppv company.

    Some said those smaller CPV/PPV company's traffic are not worthwhile to even try it out.

    But as a newbie, I tried few of those smaller networks, turned out, I was able to make around $130 for only around $2 on ad spent. I ran the same offer using exact same settings in Media Traffic at the same time, but Media Traffic was not even earning me half of that amount!

    So the point is, test and track everything down. Don't ignore the smaller CPV network. TEst Test test and Track

    Hope this helps...
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    • Profile picture of the author Agent007
      Sorry to bump this but my question above is still unanswered:

      So I would love to know how are people are making profit from PopUnder PPV traffic?

      I get the feeling not many people are making a profit with PPV hence the lack of responses at a busy marketing forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author TE2
        Originally Posted by Agent007 View Post

        ...By selecting 1,000s of targets you have to spend too much money to find out which target converts...

        ...If I have 1,000s of targets for one offer then I end up spending at least $100s to see if it works...

        ...Rather TE2 has a better method. One aspect is to think laterally about your offer then get just a handful of highly targeted and relevant targets...
        It all comes down to picking good targets.

        What you want to identify is the offer's target demographics and then use the following tools to pick URL targets with visitors that match the demographic profile.

        I use Alexa, Quantcast and Spyfu to manually select targets.

        Spend your time focusing on one CPV traffic source and test, tweak, and re-test.

        Note: I typically start a new campaign with ~20 targets. 50 maximum!

        Originally Posted by Agent007 View Post

        Sorry to bump this but my question above is still unanswered:

        So I would love to know how are people are making profit from PopUnder PPV traffic?

        I get the feeling not many people are making a profit with PPV hence the lack of responses at a busy marketing forum.
        I think you already know the answer to your question.

        Regards,

        John
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        • Profile picture of the author vinlulvie
          Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

          It all comes down to picking good targets.

          What you want to identify is the offer's target demographics and then use the following tools to pick URL targets with visitors that match the demographic profile.

          I use Alexa, Quantcast and Spyfu to manually select targets.

          Spend your time focusing on one CPV traffic source and test, tweak, and re-test.

          Note: I typically start a new campaign with ~20 targets. 50 maximum!



          I think you already know the answer to your question.

          Regards,

          John
          HI TE2,

          I see that you mentioned you only use 20 -50 targets, will you have enough view to test? Since the volume of traffic can be low.

          Thank you

          Vin
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  • Profile picture of the author glide21
    tried media traffic, bought a wso and did my research, spents $120 and made $3. Called media traffic and they sent me a list of sites they recommended to use, nada. Same with clicksor. Offers used were top selling offers in maxbounty and neverblue, but made sweet FA on them, using their own banners and LP. Looking for alternative now.
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    • Profile picture of the author TE2
      Originally Posted by glide21 View Post

      tried media traffic, bought a wso and did my research, spents $120 and made $3. Called media traffic and they sent me a list of sites they recommended to use, nada. Same with clicksor. Offers used were top selling offers in maxbounty and neverblue, but made sweet FA on them, using their own banners and LP. Looking for alternative now.
      Mark,

      I am not trying to crap on your post but it is a classic example of why 95% don't make any money online. You made an effort and it didn't payoff as you had desired. So, you are doing what the 95% does, you are moving onto something else. When that something else doesn't go as desired, what's next?

      Those of us who enjoy success have one thing in common, and that is focus. We stick to one thing and master it. Once we have that income stream perfected and as automated as possible, then we look for more things to master and create additional income streams.

      The standard reply to what I just wrote is "well I tried and it does not work, so poo-poo on that." What they should be saying is "there is evidence that others are having success so what am I doing wrong (and right) and how can I improve?"

      I have said this many times in WF, I use Media Traffic and I recommend it for those wanting to use CPV traffic.

      I could be selfish and eliminate some competition by telling people to stay away or I could have simply chosen not to post this message. There are many days that I don't post or post very little. However, I sincerely want others to enjoy the success I have had.

      I admit, it is frustrating to me that so many struggle. That frustration is a major factor in why I am not currently coaching and why I have not released my methods as a WSO, public offering or re-opened coaching.

      I may regret this (I don't want to open the flood gates), but I will throw this out there...

      How can I best help my fellow warriors?

      What is it that you need from me?

      Please PM me with your thoughts/needs/desires/problems. Do NOT send me a PM with "how do I" or "what am I doing wrong" type questions. Do not send me questions. Tell me what it is that I can do or offer that would help you. Tell me what it is worth to you to get it.

      Regards,

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author glide21
        Well sounds like you have it all sorted, well done. I only do this part time as I am a full time futures and currencies trader and make a nice living from it. I also publish a free blog that is designed to help people become successful traders. (ok I make a few dollars from the Adsense and some of the offers). As far as evidence that others are doing well with PPV, I have yet to it, not seen anyone offering to log on to their account live and show it. (As I do in my trading chat room). So, you want to help? ok, why not publish a free blog, with step by step guidelines to make PPV work?
        I'll be your first subscriber, and no, I will not PM you as I have no issues that I want to discuss.
        You offer help, show it.
        If you want to become a good trader, click the link below and check out my blog.
        Have a nice day mate.
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        • Profile picture of the author TE2
          Originally Posted by glide21 View Post

          You offer help, show it.
          Read this forum and you will see I have offered plenty of help. I have even told people what I am doing and how I do it.

          I have a blog but I serve more people here.

          Regards,

          John
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        • Profile picture of the author Dave Ward
          Originally Posted by glide21 View Post

          Well sounds like you have it all sorted, well done. I only do this part time as I am a full time futures and currencies trader and make a nice living from it. I also publish a free blog that is designed to help people become successful traders. (ok I make a few dollars from the Adsense and some of the offers). As far as evidence that others are doing well with PPV, I have yet to it, not seen anyone offering to log on to their account live and show it. (As I do in my trading chat room). So, you want to help? ok, why not publish a free blog, with step by step guidelines to make PPV work?
          I'll be your first subscriber, and no, I will not PM you as I have no issues that I want to discuss.
          You offer help, show it.
          If you want to become a good trader, click the link below and check out my blog.
          Have a nice day mate.
          To be fair Mark you are not comparing apples with apples here. The Forex market is arguably the largest trading market in the world, even Government intervention in a currency won't change it's direction of the trend too much as many Central Banks will testify to !.

          You showing how you trade the Pound against the Dollar for example is not the same as a successful marketer showing you his winning campaigns. Forex trading has far more variables than a CPA offer that converts.

          I said this in a reply to a post on my thread earlier today, but I will say it here too.

          Traffic is Traffic , If you don't understand traffic, If you don't know what it is from and what it wants, you won't make money with it. With CPV traffic you also have to know what that traffic source has installed on their computers, and will it be compatible with your market or chosen niche.

          A perfect example from your forex niche, would Gamevance traffic really be interested in Forex day trading ? How many are visiting forex.com or babypips.com on regular basis ? ... not many, if a few are, what are they going to cost you to get on a list ? cheaper than paying $4 per click on google search or paying $3- 4 a click for a placement on a high traffic forex site ? ... maybe.. and if it's costing you $60 to get that person on your list, can you make money at that price ? that is the traffic game, knowing metrics from all traffic sources, and not thinking Cost Per View traffic is some magic secret, because let me make that clear for people reading this thread, who think this is new, it isn't, it has been around for years, pop ups were used by adult companies since the mid 90's, it is still interruption marketing, only the delivery method has changed, and now adware is permission based, but it is still popping an offer in front of the user. however the process of converting the traffic has not changed at all.

          Does John know CPV ? You bet he does, if you end up in a bidding war with a good url on Media Traffic, chances are ole TE2 is behind it But I don't think he needs to give away the farm on this forum either, though if you go through enough of his posts, anyone should be able to figure it out.
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          • Profile picture of the author glide21
            David,

            not sure what you're trying to say, however, if you think that making money trading forex or futures is easy, you are living on a different planet. 99% of all would be traders lose their entire deposit within 6 months. Anyway, of course I do not use PPV for any trading related offers, as I am aware that the crowd that actually clicks on popunders etc. is not the target. Bottom line mate is, if someone offers to help, let's see some concrete stuff, a method, a system, something. John says that he offers lots of help in this forum, I will certainly look at it.
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      • Profile picture of the author mentorondemand
        I have enjoyed this thread, but I think that little of bit
        of reverse marketing that was presented was just pure genius.

        very elegant
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  • Profile picture of the author machia
    TE2 you have been helpful in this regard. I consider it a significant contribution just to say "hey, I'm having success with this, you should check it out and try to figure it out too."
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    adon does actually use Vomba as well (as well as several other sources)
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    I've used traffic vance - the only problem is you can't use keywords more than 2 long tails
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    If you see that offers do not convert it might be that your aff company is scrubbing your leads!
    I was sending traffic to a great offer in a huuuuggee niche and converted at 1% for a free trial, spending only 10 cents per click.
    After a while I had to send 700 clicks for 1 conversion!! needless to say I was getting scrubbed like crazy.
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  • Profile picture of the author meblogger
    Paid traffice? is it important these days and what are the top 3 reasons, one will go for paid traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author moises_pk2
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    If you really wanna hit it big with PPV, buy big amount of traffic. It's PPV, so you need the banners get viewed several times. Don't forget patience is a virtue. Now, i'm running succesful campaigns.

    And one tip for you all: Get in the greedy markets, dating niche offers, home biz opp, and the freebei sections. You wanna get big money, do what others are doing
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    • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
      Dear Friends,


      I do PPC business since 1999 and already make a comfortable 7 figures yearly income.
      Reading your posts about CPV I noticed that someone said "I was able to make around $130 for only around $2 on ad spent"....

      OK...Here is the deal....I spend about $1.2K DAILY with CPV and have an average profit around 287% over my investment. If someone can really make $130 for every $2 invested...with my level of investment this fellow warrior would be making $78K DAILY...

      I'm wiling to invest MY MONEY....NO INVESTMENT FROM YOURS...only your skills...and close a partnership deal with a skilled warrior able to do such ROI....I'd GLADLY pay a VERY HIGH share of the profits....I'm sure we can find a way to do that safety for us both...as we don't know each other.

      Please reply ASAP and let me know about your interest....if so....

      My name is Luiz Rocha, I'm in Brazil...you can reach me at admin@getpaths.com or call (even collect if you prefer) to +55 19 9796 3224.

      I look forward to hearing from you soon...

      Thanks for your attention....
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      • Profile picture of the author markclimins
        OK...Here is the deal....I spend about $1.2K DAILY with CPV and have an average profit around 287% over my investment. If someone can really make $130 for every $2 invested...with my level of investment this fellow warrior would be making $78K DAILY...
        It's actually very possible to get a ROI that high. The problem is that there is usually not enough traffic for each target to keep it going (atleast in my experience). I used to make around $120 for every $3 - $5 I spent on clicks (yes, thats a 3000% ROI). The problem was that there was a limited amount of traffic for the keywords I was bidding on. If those keywords received millions and millions of impressions per month, then yes I could have been making 78k daily as you describe. That didn't last long, but now I have a campaign that Im running and I'm getting a 1000% percent ROI. I spend about $5 for ever $50 I make. But once again, there is not enough traffic from the keywords Im using or else I could be making way more. My ROI for that campaign usually no more than $1500 a month.

        Spending a dollar to make $1.20, or spending $100 to make $130 is simply retarded IMO. As I see most people doing that (ROI being pretty low). I see that as gambling, not marketing. The goldmines are out there, you just have to be patient, creative, and outside-the-box.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
          Originally Posted by markclimins View Post

          It's actually very possible to get a ROI that high. The problem is that there is usually not enough traffic for each target to keep it going (atleast in my experience). I used to make around $120 for every $3 - $5 I spent on clicks (yes, thats a 3000% ROI). The problem was that there was a limited amount of traffic for the keywords I was bidding on. If those keywords received millions and millions of impressions per month, then yes I could have been making 78k daily as you describe. That didn't last long, but now I have a campaign that Im running and I'm getting a 1000% percent ROI. I spend about $5 for ever $50 I make. But once again, there is not enough traffic from the keywords Im using or else I could be making way more. My ROI for that campaign usually no more than $1500 a month.

          Spending a dollar to make $1.20, or spending $100 to make $130 is simply retarded IMO. As I see most people doing that (ROI being pretty low). I see that as gambling, not marketing. The goldmines are out there, you just have to be patient, creative, and outside-the-box.
          Dear Mark,

          Please read my reply to Agent007...The same info and proposal applies to you...
          In a brief...I want a CPV/CPA coach to invest MY MONEY and get a GREAT share of the profits....:-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Agent007
        Originally Posted by bizprivate View Post

        OK...Here is the deal....I spend about $1.2K DAILY with CPV and have an average profit around 287% over my investment. If someone can really make $130 for every $2 invested...with my level of investment this fellow warrior would be making $78K DAILY...
        Good work Luiz. Which CPV networks do you use? And are your returns from leads, sales, own products, low (<$3) or high payout (like $10+)?

        I'm not asking for your exact campaigns but trying to figure out what works best and where in this game. Had a good day with PPV today with mainly leads and some ClickBank. That's after a few average and lousy ones as usual. lol But I'm starting to find a few profit hot spots.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizprivate
          Originally Posted by Agent007 View Post

          Good work Luiz. Which CPV networks do you use? And are your returns from leads, sales, own products, low (<$3) or high payout (like $10+)?

          I'm not asking for your exact campaigns but trying to figure out what works best and where in this game. Had a good day with PPV today with mainly leads and some ClickBank. That's after a few average and lousy ones as usual. lol But I'm starting to find a few profit hot spots.
          Dear Bond...James Bond...LOL,

          AS a famous secret agent I feel I can't hire any secrets from you...You'd discover it all anyway...
          Seriously now...
          I use Clicksor ( I know...lot's of people hate them) and Media Traffic. always RON campaigns... Period.
          I run dozens of very small PPC search engines powered buy 2nd tier networks...and a few larger ones. The "secret" is the in house technology developed by my small IT team that uses artificial intelligence to increase my revenue based on several data stored (nothing illegal...rest assured). I spend about $40K montly and reach an average ROI of almost 300%...month after month since years (I made my first million in profits in 2004).
          I'm 100% newbie to CPA....but I see that it may give me way better return.
          Don't you think that if you had thousands of keywords you would be able to keep your income steady? Just an idea from a newbie...I use about 4 MILLION keywords and Key phrases in my business...
          Anyway...a 1000% ROI is 3 times what I make...right?
          Interested in talking about a partnership deal? Would you invest some of MY MONEY to make us a huge income?
          Please let me know....

          PS. Relax...I'm not Gold Finger....LOL
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          • Profile picture of the author markclimins
            Anyway...a 1000% ROI is 3 times what I make...right?
            Interested in talking about a partnership deal? Would you invest some of MY MONEY to make us a huge income?
            Right. But that campaign can only do $1500 a month max. I have more campaigns that I'm pretty confident with that I'm gonna launch in the next few weeks. If they go well, I'll bring one to the table. If you don't burn me, I'll bring the rest of them to the table. What kind of offers do you promote mainly? If you don't wanna say it outloud, PM me. Ill tell you straight up if I could push a lot higher ROI than 300% on them.

            Mine?
            Unique, I mean unique rebills and free stuff. Cough Cough.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeMorgan
    Originally Posted by Matthew Olson View Post

    Hi Guys...

    I'm venturing into paid traffic sources and was wondering if anyone had any feedback regarding Media Traffic, TrafficVance or any other PPV companies.

    Is this a worthwhile traffic source for cpa offers? And if so, what types of cpa offers work best?

    Thanks in advance...
    If you are able to use them the right way , they PPV is very powerful to generate highly targeted traffic to your CPA offers.

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  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
    Hey ChristianFox!

    Glad to see you here.. Yea, some CPV ad network's bidding are so darn ridiculous.. But SOME are just nice shhhh ... Keep it quiet man ..
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    • Profile picture of the author Agent007
      Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

      Yea, some CPV ad network's bidding are so darn ridiculous.. But SOME are just nice shhhh ... Keep it quiet man ..
      Which ones are nice Just PM me if you like. If they're using fair bidding practices like Google then dont worry about others knowing. The little bit of extra competition wont hurt you. But if bidding is unfair then 1 or 2 extra players can stuff things up in a niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
    You're welcome

    LOL ! It's ok and yea, I hate the 50 posts limit for PM but that's the way they fight for spam I guess.

    One tip here my friend, DEMOGRAPHICS. If you know where do those ad network target their ads, you're waste much less time and money for your advertising, purpose, make sense, right? You can always ask those CPV/PPV ad manager about this.

    I have another idea which I learned, and I am going to PM you about that again. It's a killer method. But I am not having enough money and time to test that out right now.

    There are around 10 CPV network at the moment if I am not mistaken. You can really profit from each and everyone of them, but you really need to get to know what is their demographic data before throwing money into testing out campaigns with them

    That's my personal opinion though..
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    the best way ppv
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  • Profile picture of the author Softlan
    Could some of you throw out a good keyword targeted url string ?

    Iam using aff network that are promoting free scholarships.
    Could anyone guide me if it is a good niche ?
    (They are free thoug)
    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author chrosymodarsan
    ppv can employment in reality healthy - however it takes lots of investigation, heaps and lots of testing to find winners. But just the once you find them they rock!
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  • Profile picture of the author chrosymodarsan
    ppv can work in truth well - on the other hand it takes lots of test, heaps and lots of testing to find winners. But just the once you find them they rock!
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  • Profile picture of the author blog
    I'm new to PPV..interesting discussion here
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  • Profile picture of the author espresso
    TE2 or ant other expert PPVer
    Have you a wso or ebook you would recommend
    I want to get into this form of advertising over the next couple of months

    Also would you recommend clicksor
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  • Profile picture of the author zuriy3k
    Has anyone heard of a toolbar called gamevance multipop toolbar or is there such a thing?
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    • Profile picture of the author Hookd
      Originally Posted by zuriy3k View Post

      Has anyone heard of a toolbar called gamevance multipop toolbar or is there such a thing?
      its the software TafficVance uses to deliver their ads
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  • PPV is spyware , so your getting viewed traffic which might not be as targeted as other traffic sources.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
      Originally Posted by MediaEncounterOmar View Post

      PPV is spyware , so your getting viewed traffic which might not be as targeted as other traffic sources.
      That's wrong.
      PPV aka CPV is adware, nothing to do with spyware.
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      • This discussion contained a lot of useful information, some much more so than others, but nonetheless informative. I am still in the learning stage as I am in the process of researching for a couple potential campaigns I plan to run in January.

        People complain that PPV is saturated, and it is...in the major markets - US. I will start with international traffic as a friend has proven this to be cost effective and extremely profitable. America's population is somewhat insignificant compared to the present world population, approaching 7 billion. Furthermore, we (US) & other advanced economies, have become desensitized or immune to advertising to some extent, sure there are the idiots/naive ones whom drive this industry, who actually think they will win that iPad, Laptop, hook up with an attractive women they don't have the courage/confidence to make a reality in "real" life, or win that $1000 gift card. But for the most part, yes, it is saturated with competition and has become a grimy business in some respects. That is why international campaigns within emerging economies will and is the new goldmine, IMO.

        From my understanding thus far, it is essential for one to be able to create quality LPs that stand out and grab the viewers attention, so first impressions do count(not to state the obvious). I used to dabble with PS a few years ago, and very much look forward to purchasing CS5 to crank out a few dating, gaming, and adult LPs.

        Thank you to those Warriors who actually put thought into their replies. (John, AidenChong, Agent, etc, and whom ever else I forgot to menton).

        Prosperous Regards,

        Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
      Sorry.. CPV is NOT Spyware

      What is PPV Marketing? How to make money with CPV



      Originally Posted by MediaEncounterOmar View Post

      PPV is spyware , so your getting viewed traffic which might not be as targeted as other traffic sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author Niel Rose
    Some sites work better for some offers.

    The one thing that a lot of people miss is that some of these pop-up windows are very small and they are direct-linking to the offer's landing page which doesn't fit into this pop-up's size.

    People won't even bother to re-size most of the time and just close the window.
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