Just Started - Am I Doing It Right? Seems WAY Too Easy

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Well, I registered for a PeerFly account about 3 months ago and forgot all about it because the wait was like 15-20 days. I remembered today and checked my email, sure enough I had been approved.

So here's what I did so far:

I took a "popular" offer, looked it over and decided to run with it.

I set up a Facebook Ad promoting the offer (First time making a FB ad too)

Took a random WP site of mine and created a page there that redirects to the offer. (Facebook considered PeerFly's direct link "spam" so I couldn't use it)

I then set the Facebook parameters to target the audience more likely to submit to the CPA offer

Started the Facebook Ad campaign.


And that's it, I'm done. It took me all of 10 minutes and from my perspective, it seems too easy. Surely I made a "noob" mistake along the line because if CPA is really this easy to earn money with, I've on the wrong side of the Internet Marketing fence for 3 years now.

What do you guys think? Is running CPA offers this easy or did I miss something?

::EDIT::

I forgot to mention the cost/reward. The offer I chose pays $1.40 and converts when the users enters their email. The Facebook Ad is going to cost me .45c per click. So I'll make .95c every conversion.

The wording/Image I used for the ad looks good and I feel it will not have trouble getting clicks. Also, the offer's landing page is sleek and is very simple to complete.
#easy #started
  • Profile picture of the author espresso
    have you made any money yet.
    Thats the trick
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  • Profile picture of the author Mahmoud Selman
    Sorry, But does your landing page redirect all visitors to your CPA offer? If so then make sure to have an international offer or use a geo redirect service to avoid getting your ads disapproved by FB ad team and your account from getting banned.
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    • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
      Originally Posted by Mahmoud Selman View Post

      Sorry, But does your landing page redirect all visitors to your CPA offer? If so then make sure to have an international offer or use a geo redirect service to avoid getting your ads disapproved by FB ad team and your account from getting banned.
      Sending PM.
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    • Profile picture of the author skyacme
      Originally Posted by Mahmoud Selman View Post

      Sorry, But does your landing page redirect all visitors to your CPA offer? If so then make sure to have an international offer or use a geo redirect service to avoid getting your ads disapproved by FB ad team and your account from getting banned.


      hi,
      Mahmoud, I am going to run a facebook campaign too.I need some advice from you.I sent PM details about the campaign.

      waiting for your message.thnx
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  • Profile picture of the author cucr3
    Your numbers aren't right either. You are assuming every person that clicks is going to sign up, giving you 95c profit. That won't be the case, you need to get your CPC lower.
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  • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
    Originally Posted by cucr3 View Post

    Your numbers aren't right either. You are assuming every person that clicks is going to sign up, giving you 95c profit. That won't be the case, you need to get your CPC lower.
    I'm not gonna lie, I feel very strong that the conversion rate will be high with the way I worded the FB Ad and how well the landing page is setup. Then again, this is my first CPA "rodeo" so I could very well be learning the hard way and not even know it lol.

    So what are some "good" numbers that you guys would go for? Let's say the offer pays $1.20 and converts with an email submit.
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    • Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

      I'm not gonna lie, I feel very strong that the conversion rate will be high with the way I worded the FB Ad and how well the landing page is setup. Then again, this is my first CPA "rodeo" so I could very well be learning the hard way and not even know it lol.

      So what are some "good" numbers that you guys would go for? Let's say the offer pays $1.20 and converts with an email submit.
      LOL! You feel... Feeling means nothing. You feel like you are going to get a 100% conversion.

      Dude, your math is so far out of whack. Do this. Run the offer, then come back and ask for help optimizing. You will not know how well things will work until you push the button to go live. But, you are setting your self up for a huge disappointment.
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    • Profile picture of the author jsmiz
      Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

      I'm not gonna lie, I feel very strong that the conversion rate will be high with the way I worded the FB Ad and how well the landing page is setup. Then again, this is my first CPA "rodeo" so I could very well be learning the hard way and not even know it lol.

      So what are some "good" numbers that you guys would go for? Let's say the offer pays $1.20 and converts with an email submit.

      It's time you stop talking about how good it will be, and start actually running it...The you'll know if its that easy or not. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author ben565
      Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

      I'm not gonna lie, I feel very strong that the conversion rate will be high with the way I worded the FB Ad and how well the landing page is setup. Then again, this is my first CPA "rodeo" so I could very well be learning the hard way and not even know it lol.

      So what are some "good" numbers that you guys would go for? Let's say the offer pays $1.20 and converts with an email submit.
      you are setting yourself up for failure by expecting a 100% conv rate,with highly targeted traffic you may convert at 30% at best,at .45cpc would cost 1.35 per signup,then after a few days you will get scrubbed and your conv rate will go down to 10%,unless you can get your cpc under .10 cpc,i would stick to a higher paying offer
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Your enthusiasm is wonderful and whether or not one can say "is it this easy" is solely based on money earned and the sustainability of the program, neither of which do you know yet.

    It is also very easy to set up a squeeze page and get some traffic and get sign ups or to set up a blog, write some articles, get traffic and promote programs.

    The proof of whether any of this works is how much money is made and for how long.

    I wish you all the best and I truly hope this does very well for you. Please make sure to come back here and let us know how it is going every week or so.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author KyleGolemMedia
    I'm gonna start a Facebook Campaign soon for an affiliate product and your post is really helpful, Mahmoud. Thanks for the wisdom

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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    LOL you have made zero money yet you come on the board telling us how easy this is. Yes its easy to set up a campaign and for facebook to agree to take your money.
    Next is getting sales. Pls update us
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  • Profile picture of the author kolbywhite28
    The conversion rate, if good, will be more like 1 in 10 clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author robrave
    I wanna know how much you earn vs how much you spent.

    Then maybe you can say it is still seems WAY to easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rauhbautz
    Mahmoud, what do you think of turning to CPM method (instead of CPC) if clicks are too expensive? Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author shockwave
      I agree with a few others, your numbers are way too high. I'm no CPA expert, but from what I've experienced so far, I believe you're going to be lucky to get between a 2% - 30% conversion - once people click through to your offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author PPCn00b
      Yes it is that easy to get a campaign going. But you are in for a seriously rude awakening once you start getting clicks(assuming you do). Your cpa payout is so low and your cpc so high that you are going to get absolutely raped when you see what real conversion rates are like.

      Its very, very easy to make a direct-linking CPA campaign on Facebook. Its an entirely different thing to make it profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author black_muffin
    yes bro u have to test a lot of angles to find winnin campaign
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    • Profile picture of the author yako
      I think that due to some recent changes in PeerFly terms, links from FB Fan pages are not allowed anymore...although it is not really clear.

      Here is the text:

      Please note that we only allow limited Facebook promotion. If Social PPC is allowed on this offer, you may only promote via Facebook's paid advertising platform OR via monetization on apps that you've created. No fan pages, wall postings, forced shares, forced likes, or promotional comments will be allowed. Apps that you develop must be approved by PeerFly before you can monetize traffic with any of our offers. Anyone violating these rules will be suspended.

      Hope it helps
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  • Profile picture of the author marc7
    Nice conversation... I'm also starting to learn about ads and etc and this thread is very helpful...

    So...

    I know the main question was about Peerfly but what is the best program to start with if your a beginner with ads?

    Thanks warriors
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
    Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

    The offer I chose pays $1.40 and converts when the users enters their email. The Facebook Ad is going to cost me .45c per click. So I'll make .95c every conversion.
    I was going to write a post with some math and conversion statistics.. but changed my mind...

    Give it a gamble (I wouldn't) but limit your bet. I am sure the results will tell you the rest. Better yet, save the money and learn more about the CPA game before you jump in.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Big deal, his conversion estimate is off, who cares, at least he took action which is more then 90% of people out there. Good for you for trying.

    You do have the basics down of how to launch it. Now you need to figure out how to buy clicks cheap enough to have them convert profitably.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tech19
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      Big deal, his conversion estimate is off, who cares, at least he took action which is more then 90% of people out there. Good for you for trying.

      You do have the basics down of how to launch it. Now you need to figure out how to buy clicks cheap enough to have them convert profitably.

      Agree... Hopefully there won't be too much money spent before realizing what the actually conversions will be, but no doubt will be a good learning experience. Make adjustments and optimize until you make it profitable.
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    so hows it going
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMoney
    Props for taking action. I do Facebook marketing i make a fulltime living with Cpa. What I love about facebook is the how viral it goes.
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    • Profile picture of the author vergvio
      Originally Posted by JohnMoney View Post

      Props for taking action. I do Facebook marketing i make a fulltime living with Cpa. What I love about facebook is the how viral it goes.
      that's good for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    It's been 5 days. Just checking in to see how your program is going?

    What have the conversions been?

    Made any money yet?

    :-)
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    Share the news. Are you making bank or was this a huge flop?
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    the silence from the op is deafening
    I can only conclude he lost his shorts in this effort
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    • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      the silence from the op is deafening
      I can only conclude he lost his shorts in this effort
      Ya, he was so excitedly and so encouraged...I hope he is just busy and not just avoiding the queries because of poor performance.

      It is all part of the learning curve....
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    • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      the silence from the op is deafening
      I can only conclude he lost his shorts in this effort
      I still have my shorts...shirt, shoes and hat! When I made this thread, I had just submitted to Facebook but as it turns out, the ad was rejected for some reason. The only reason I remembered this thread existed was because it's now a PR1 (9 more people left before it goes to page 2! lol)

      Anyways, back to topic. I'd love to be able to do this but I gave up rather quickly once I found I couldn't get my CPC as low as I wanted. I researched a little bit and I found the FB CPC would only lessen if my CTR rose.

      Basically, I'd love to get good at this someday but right now, I'm sticking to SEO.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

        I still have my shorts...shirt, shoes and hat! When I made this thread, I had just submitted to Facebook but as it turns out, the ad was rejected for some reason. The only reason I remembered this thread existed was because it's now a PR1 (9 more people left before it goes to page 2! lol)

        Anyways, back to topic. I'd love to be able to do this but I gave up rather quickly once I found I couldn't get my CPC as low as I wanted. I researched a little bit and I found the FB CPC would only lessen if my CTR rose.

        Basically, I'd love to get good at this someday but right now, I'm sticking to SEO.
        SEO takes too long
        if you do manage to learn this, (I dont think you can do so on THIS forum) you need some high velocity expert forums like stack that money or Aff Playbook................If you do manage to learn it, I believe it is well worth the time invested. You are leaving a lot of money on the table by sticking to SEO
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      • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
        Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

        I still have my shorts...shirt, shoes and hat! When I made this thread, I had just submitted to Facebook but as it turns out, the ad was rejected for some reason. The only reason I remembered this thread existed was because it's now a PR1 (9 more people left before it goes to page 2! lol)

        Anyways, back to topic. I'd love to be able to do this but I gave up rather quickly once I found I couldn't get my CPC as low as I wanted. I researched a little bit and I found the FB CPC would only lessen if my CTR rose.

        Basically, I'd love to get good at this someday but right now, I'm sticking to SEO.
        Well, it is good to hear back how it all went. I was rooting for you.

        So, you found out that it wasn't as easy as you first thought.

        Lesson learned.

        I wouldn't give up though. You had a certain amount of passion about it.

        There are other free ways to get clicks to CPA campaigns outside of SEO that are more immediate.

        And they are on this forum so do some searching and think outside the box.

        Good luck in your future endeavors!
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        • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
          Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

          Well, it is good to hear back how it all went. I was rooting for you.

          So, you found out that it wasn't as easy as you first thought.

          Lesson learned.

          I wouldn't give up though. You had a certain amount of passion about it.

          There are other free ways to get clicks to CPA campaigns outside of SEO that are more immediate.

          And they are on this forum so do some searching and think outside the box.

          Good luck in your future endeavors!
          Hey man, thanks for the reply. What got me interested in this to begin with was a CPA offer I actually fell for on Facebook. I would LOVE to figure out how to do it because it went viral FAST. Here's how it worked:

          I saw a friend share a post to Facebook like this: "I Love Olive Garden!" and the link was to a CPA, offering a free Olive Garden gift certificate just by entering their email. (Possibly could have been a survey but I think it was just an email submit)

          Anyway, the directions on the page were something like this: "All you have to do is enter in your email address and share this post to your Facebook!"

          So obviously people were sharing like crazy and submitting their email address. I can only imagine how much money the guy made because I had a few different friends doing it and other friends who didn't know those friends doing it as well.

          I checked the site about 2 weeks after I saw it and it was down so I'm not sure what happened.


          Does anyone know how to go about doing a CPA offer like that? Or even seen one like it? My head is in the game and I haven't given up on CPA just yet, I'm just focusing on other things with most of my time until I can wrap my head around this branch of IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shon Chris
    This is the kind of post that gets me excited. Someone who believes. This Warrior has faith.

    The difference between a successful person and a unsuccessful person is that the successful person TOOK ACTION!!!

    Now remember....running ANY kind of paid traffic is all about OPTIMIZATION.

    Who gives a rats ass if you have to start out paying .45 or hell even .60 cents per click....your VERY FIRST objective is to Fail Fast & Gather Data.

    The GOLD is in the data(results).

    Guess what...even if you only run a few hundred clicks to your offer and only get 2-3 conversions...GET EXCITED!

    That means theres somebody on FB that your ad,landing page and offer appealed to.

    Now your job is to tweak & test each item(ad,LP) so that your ad,LP and offer appeals to even more of those types of people.....What Type? The type that give a damn enough to click your ad, read your lander and enter their personal details on the offer form in the first place.

    The beauty of FB is that you're able to target your ads right to 'those types of people'.

    Now...obviously its best if you can already have an idea of WHO you're ideal target is before running the ad. So heres what you can do.

    You didn't say what kind of offer you're running so lets just use a quick example...

    Lets say the offer is an email submit for a Free MacBook Pro::

    1. Run a Google Search on the phrase .....Free MacBook Pro
    2. Take one of the urls from the Top 3 results
    3. Go to Alexa..enter the URL in the search box..click go
    4. View Audience (those types of people)

    Does doing the steps above always ensure a profitable campaign....of course not don't be silly.

    Just remember OPTIMIZATION is the key.
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  • Profile picture of the author Detangled
    Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

    I forgot to mention the cost/reward. The offer I chose pays $1.40 and converts when the users enters their email. The Facebook Ad is going to cost me .45c per click. So I'll make .95c every conversion.
    Uh that's assuming a 100% click to conversion ratio. well it really depends how many clicks it takes to get you a single conversion right? If it costs you .45c and it takes 50 clicks to get a single conversion, and that conversion only makes you .95c.. I'm pretty sure you will be going out of business soon.. lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlenGeorgeson
    Even a 2% conversion rate on CPA offers on facebook is very high. That means if you get 100 people to go to your CPA landing page, only 2 will sign up. That is the best case scenario. Do the math here. It's gonna cost you 100x PPC and you will make only 2.40. That's not a good deal in my opinion buddy.

    It's not that easy to make money online. I mean it's simple, but you have to test like crazy to get a profitable campaign. You have to test like 20-40 campaigns until you get one that is profitable. Once you get one, scale it up and go crazy. But the problem is that most people won't do that, because they are too lazy. So if you want to be successful, do what others won't do. TEST like mad!

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author espresso
      I am struggling to get started with 7search now
      but in the past I had much better conversion than 2%
      I have 10-20% conversion

      I was using twitter traffic
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    • Profile picture of the author PPCn00b
      Originally Posted by AlenGeorgeson View Post

      Even a 2% conversion rate on CPA offers on facebook is very high. That means if you get 100 people to go to your CPA landing page, only 2 will sign up. That is the best case scenario.

      Good luck
      Alen
      I am by no means an expert, but based on my experience, I can say that this is definitely NOT true. A 2% conversion is terrible and many people have done MUCH better with the right offers. I am very new to this, but I just had a campaign converting at 14% from direct-linking Facebook traffic alone. Its pretty damn hard to make money if you are only converting 2%.
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  • Profile picture of the author HairyPoppins
    Too low of a pay out. You'll have to lower the CPC a lot in order to get that campaign profitable enough to keep around. You're assuming the conversion rate will be much too high. Re work the numbers and re set your predictions to something reasonable because if you don't you're just going to quite when your goal comes NOWEHRE close to what you had predicted. Don't get discouraged when it fails. Just learn from it and move on to the next campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author badcow
    I agree with PPC-Coach; at least this guy took action and got started! That's the first step. Then the next step is how to respond and deal with frustration / failure. At first, failure frustrated me, but then I realized it is part of the learning curve, and you have to work through it - and analyze your data. "Buying data" is what I've heard Chad Hamzeh call it and that makes sense to me. You really aren't failing, but buying data. The question is this: do you learn from the data you bought?

    I hope dminorfmajor will stick with it and find success!
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  • Profile picture of the author skyline9762
    lol you have only set up the campaign, but something is lost in translation in your IM research, no way is every click going to convert, with this current campaign your will 99.9% likely to loose money. But you live and learn when you realise you lost money then you will make adjustments and reduce your click price and focus on free traffic as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author crysper
    Firstly, congratulations for taking action, lots of people just read, read and read, and don't do anything.

    Secondly, to make things work with facebook, you need very cheap clicks or very high conversion rate on your offer.

    As far as I know, facebook doesn't like direct linking to email submits, so you need to use prosper202 to redirect and also to track your traffic.

    Regarding to how to get cheap clicks, I use this tactic, however, you need some money at the beginning to test enough ads(even so, I cut non-performing ads early to avoid unnecessary clicks):

    1.start with lowest suggested bid
    2.wait for ads to get 7500 impressions...if ctr lower than 0.14 pause it
    (if an ad got 7500-10k impressions and other ads didn't get impressions, pause it)
    3.when finding a good CTR ad, after 100 clicks, lower the bid 20% below suggested bid.(if the CTR is good, the suggested bid will go down without changing anything)
    4.after 150 clicks do the same
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