Is there still room for newbies in CPA marketing?

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Hi, I'm a regular lurker on this forum, but an infrequent poster. I have been learning about IM for a few months now, but the majority of my time has been spent running a startup sports news website that is beginning to do some great traffic that I am in the process of trying to monetise, but that's another story!

After much study and deliberation, I have decided that I would like to focus the majority of my remaining time on promoting CPA offers via paid traffic. I am now a member of several CPA networks, so I have some options when it comes to choosing offers.

I guess one of my burning questions is very general in its context. What I really want to know is whether there truly is space for newbie CPA marketers in this space right now? Pretty much everything I read on here and on other sites seems to be stories of experienced people who have perfected the art over several years. Is the competition too tough nowadays or will there always be a place for someone new who is prepared to put in the hard work and testing in order to succeed?

One of the common things I hear when it comes to CPA is that paid traffic is the only way to make good money. I am prepared to go down the paid traffic route and learn and perfect my paid traffic skills, but as you can imagine, as a newbie my budget is not very large. I have been nudged towards using PPC networks such as 7Search and also sources like Facebook Ads, POF and some PPV/CPV networks. So a further question would be, would you consider those types of traffic sources as the best options for someone starting out from scratch?

I do hope to participate a lot more in the forum in future having finally plucked up the courage to start my own thread. I would be grateful for any help and advice from anyone, but particularly from anyone who has started out promoting CPA offers with paid traffic recently and had some success.
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  • Profile picture of the author aluminum
    Ok first of all no matter how 'Noobish' you are, you can still make money with CPA or with IM in general. Really all it takes is learning, taking action, fixing your mistakes, and keep trying until you are successful. So to answer your question directly: Yes!

    You seem to want to take the paid route. I use free traffic sources, but I still have some knowledge about paid traffic. I can say this, if you do end up taking the paid path, you must have a lot of money for the testing stage.

    I think big money can be made with either paid traffic or free traffic.
    For free traffic you don't have to worry about losing money, but you can lose time.
    For paid traffic you don't have to spend a lot of time, but you can lose a lot of money.

    So ask yourself this question: Do you have more time to spend, or money to spend?

    Then you can choose which path you want to go down. And when you do choose a method always ask questions when you need to, ask your AM for some good offers or tips and last, but most importantly: Take Action!

    1 last thing. Go sign up for Adwords and get a $100 voucher for free. Then set up a campaign and do some simple testing and see if you make any money. This will give you a good idea of the paid world.
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    • Profile picture of the author monitorit
      Originally Posted by aluminum View Post

      Ok first of all no matter how 'Noobish' you are, you can still make money with CPA or with IM in general. Really all it takes is learning, taking action, fixing your mistakes, and keep trying until you are successful. So to answer your question directly: Yes!

      You seem to want to take the paid route. I use free traffic sources, but I still have some knowledge about paid traffic. I can say this, if you do end up taking the paid path, you must have a lot of money for the testing stage.

      I think big money can be made with either paid traffic or free traffic.
      For free traffic you don't have to worry about losing money, but you can lose time.
      For paid traffic you don't have to spend a lot of time, but you can lose a lot of money.

      So ask yourself this question: Do you have more time to spend, or money to spend?

      Then you can choose which path you want to go down. And when you do choose a method always ask questions when you need to, ask your AM for some good offers or tips and last, but most importantly: Take Action!

      1 last thing. Go sign up for Adwords and get a $100 voucher for free. Then set up a campaign and do some simple testing and see if you make any money. This will give you a good idea of the paid world.
      What would you call "good money" with free traffic?
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      • Profile picture of the author aluminum
        Originally Posted by monitorit View Post

        What would you call "good money" with free traffic?
        Thats up for you to decide. It's possible to make an easy $100 a day with free traffic with not a lot of effort. If you put a lot of effort then I am sure 4 digits a day is possible (This would require setting up a niche website promoting a specific offer and using SEO and then making many more websites). Although I am not going to lie, the top CPA earners are using paid traffic.

        But be prepared to spend $100,000 just to make $110,000, and considering OP said he was on a budget I was kind of pushing him towards the free traffic source.
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        • Profile picture of the author monitorit
          Originally Posted by aluminum View Post

          Thats up for you to decide. It's possible to make an easy $100 a day with free traffic with not a lot of effort. If you put a lot of effort then I am sure 4 digits a day is possible (This would require setting up a niche website promoting a specific offer and using SEO and then making many more websites). Although I am not going to lie, the top CPA earners are using paid traffic.

          But be prepared to spend $100,000 just to make $110,000, and considering OP said he was on a budget I was kind of pushing him towards the free traffic source.
          I don`t suppose you have created some kind of wso about free traffic?
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        • Profile picture of the author stlmrk
          Originally Posted by aluminum View Post

          Thats up for you to decide. It's possible to make an easy $100 a day with free traffic with not a lot of effort. If you put a lot of effort then I am sure 4 digits a day is possible (This would require setting up a niche website promoting a specific offer and using SEO and then making many more websites). Although I am not going to lie, the top CPA earners are using paid traffic.

          But be prepared to spend $100,000 just to make $110,000, and considering OP said he was on a budget I was kind of pushing him towards the free traffic source.
          Aluminum,

          Coach me to $100 per day with CPA and free traffic!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author cucr3
    What free traffic sources do you use?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris19h
      When using paid traffic be sure to SPLIT TEST. This is something I skimped on and it has costed me in the past.

      And yes, there is always room for anyone, having experience and the initiative to take action sets you apart from all the other "newbies"!

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author HairyPoppins
    If you want to go for paid traffic and do CPA then try to use something that's a little more friendly than say a Facebook. I personally used POF when I was starting it. They're friendly over there and you can't get more targeted then dating on POF.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    No such think as free traffic. You either pay out of pocket or with your time for traffic.

    I know for a fact that new guys are coming in DAILY to the cpa marketing game.

    There's never not enough room, there's always a weaker competitor you can easily knock out.

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    • Profile picture of the author aluminum
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      No such think as free traffic. You either pay out of pocket or with your time for traffic.

      I know for a fact that new guys are coming in DAILY to the cpa marketing game.

      There's never not enough room, there's always a weaker competitor you can easily knock out.

      Agreed. In my first post I mentioned that you are either spending time or money.
      Although to keep things simple, it's best just to say "Free vs Paid"
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    • Profile picture of the author movemaker
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      No such think as free traffic. You either pay out of pocket or with your time for traffic.

      I know for a fact that new guys are coming in DAILY to the cpa marketing game.

      There's never not enough room, there's always a weaker competitor you can easily knock out.

      If there is no room then it looks like you gotta make room...

      thanks for saying that will!
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  • Profile picture of the author Angelman
    Thanks everyone for your replies. I have a couple of niche sites that I have promoted via free sources only. It has certainly taken time to get them where I want them I have to admit.

    I have a limited number of hours per day that I can devote to my online activities and would prefer to maximise that time. I'll be honest with you, in the first instance I am not expecting it to be easy or to make a lot of money. I would be happy with aiming for a couple of hundred dollars a week, but I would like to see some quick ROI, however small, in order for me to decide if this is the right path to go down, as opposed to waiting a few months to rank a site via my free SEO efforts.

    I know you need a certain amount of money in order to make money, and I know during testing you need to spend enough to get enough data to test an offer and weed out winners and losers, but I just wondered, is it possible to make modest cash from CPA offers via paid traffic initially without breaking the bank?
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxBounty
    I have to agree with the PPs - there is always room for newbies! Whether you succeed is up to you.

    You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders. You recognize that affiliate marketing isn't easy, requires persistence, hard work, and an investment of time and/or money. That's a vital step that some people seem to skip over.
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  • Profile picture of the author TomFang
    You do not need that much capital to begin paid traffic.

    Take your $3,000 and start at POF. Join the right training forums and follow the proven methods. The more important thing is hard work, focus, and dedication.

    -Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Angelman
    Thanks again for the replies. I guess my main concern is that I spend a fair bit of cash and still don't find any winners, but that could just be newbie nerves and a lack of confidence that makes me feel like that. I guess that's where using proven methods would be an advantage, so I guess I should try and find some of these proven methods to have a read up on!

    If anyone has any other tips for someone starting from the very beginning using paid traffic to CPA offers I'd be very grateful, I guess I still have a few questions, for example, how many hours should I be looking to put in at the minimum when I first start out and what are the main areas I should be spending my time on? In the past, I've been guilty of perhaps concentrating too much on the wrong things, or those that are less important, and neglecting the really important things that require more time devoted to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author TomFang
      Originally Posted by Angelman View Post

      Thanks again for the replies. I guess my main concern is that I spend a fair bit of cash and still don't find any winners, but that could just be newbie nerves and a lack of confidence that makes me feel like that. I guess that's where using proven methods would be an advantage, so I guess I should try and find some of these proven methods to have a read up on!

      If anyone has any other tips for someone starting from the very beginning using paid traffic to CPA offers I'd be very grateful, I guess I still have a few questions, for example, how many hours should I be looking to put in at the minimum when I first start out and what are the main areas I should be spending my time on? In the past, I've been guilty of perhaps concentrating too much on the wrong things, or those that are less important, and neglecting the really important things that require more time devoted to them.
      Your questions on how much time to spend and such are hard to answer. You are new to this, so obviously it requires as much time as you can allocate. Read some stuff, implement it, when it fails, evaluate and read some more. The cycle continues.

      If you need guidance, the best is from Aff Playbook. There are over 2,000 members and more than any other forum there are legit marketers who have their own sites/blogs/businesses and pulling in big profits. It's invaluable if you are serious about paid traffic. Check it out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Angelman
        Originally Posted by TomFang View Post

        Your questions on how much time to spend and such are hard to answer. You are new to this, so obviously it requires as much time as you can allocate. Read some stuff, implement it, when it fails, evaluate and read some more. The cycle continues.
        Thanks very much for your reply. I've given myself a solid grounding in various IM techniques over the last few months, tried a few things out. I think it's time to step things up and get serious, put my money and time where my mouth is and just get going. It's support and encouragement like this that I need!

        Originally Posted by TomFang View Post

        If you need guidance, the best is from Aff Playbook.
        Thanks for this recommendation. Seriously considering signing up to a place where I can get real world help and information quickly and start implementing what I learn without having to piece things together from all over the place.
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  • Profile picture of the author HairyPoppins
    Have you considered investing in a mentor. It'll really streamline the process and cut down on the learning curve. There are several on this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Angelman
      Originally Posted by HairyPoppins View Post

      Have you considered investing in a mentor. It'll really streamline the process and cut down on the learning curve. There are several on this forum.
      Up to now, this isn't something I had considered. Much as I am aware of the need to invest time and money I just assumed that this kind of investment in a mentor would be be prohibitively expensive for me, just starting out.

      Definitely something to think about though, if the price was right. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    I hope there is room for newbies! I started working with CJ 6 years ago and never had success. Eventually I think I'd like to make CPA work or else just sell my own products. I still consider myself a newbie with CPA.
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  • Profile picture of the author mtmjohn
    There is always plenty of room for newbies. But if you want to be successful in this industry you really need to work hard, work smart, and work consistently at it. Best of luck
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  • Profile picture of the author housefinds
    Learned a lot from all the posts in this thread. Thanks a bunch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Angelman
      I just wanted to update this thread to say that despite having had a massive reality check by reading PPC-Coach's entitled "Is $____ Enough To Start With PPC or FB Ads or CPV or POF or ?" thread earlier today (sorry can't post links yet) I have taken some earlier advice from Tom Fang and signed up to Aff Playbook with a view to getting some further real world help and guidance.

      My starting budgets will be pretty low unfortunately, which I know may be a problem, but I'm ready to focus in on this and give it a proper go.

      Once again, thanks for the help and advice I received in this thread. Let the challenge begin!
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  • Profile picture of the author Shon Chris
    Originally Posted by Angelman View Post

    Hi, I'm a regular lurker on this forum, but an infrequent poster. I have been learning about IM for a few months now, but the majority of my time has been spent running a startup sports news website that is beginning to do some great traffic that I am in the process of trying to monetise, but that's another story!

    After much study and deliberation, I have decided that I would like to focus the majority of my remaining time on promoting CPA offers via paid traffic. I am now a member of several CPA networks, so I have some options when it comes to choosing offers.

    I guess one of my burning questions is very general in its context. What I really want to know is whether there truly is space for newbie CPA marketers in this space right now? Pretty much everything I read on here and on other sites seems to be stories of experienced people who have perfected the art over several years. Is the competition too tough nowadays or will there always be a place for someone new who is prepared to put in the hard work and testing in order to succeed?

    One of the common things I hear when it comes to CPA is that paid traffic is the only way to make good money. I am prepared to go down the paid traffic route and learn and perfect my paid traffic skills, but as you can imagine, as a newbie my budget is not very large. I have been nudged towards using PPC networks such as 7Search and also sources like Facebook Ads, POF and some PPV/CPV networks. So a further question would be, would you consider those types of traffic sources as the best options for someone starting out from scratch?

    I do hope to participate a lot more in the forum in future having finally plucked up the courage to start my own thread. I would be grateful for any help and advice from anyone, but particularly from anyone who has started out promoting CPA offers with paid traffic recently and had some success.

    Keep in mind we all have to start at -0-...no one is born knowing how to do this stuff. Its a learned craft. The good thing is that you've been lurking and soaking up information, so naturally its time to start taking action on what you've learned.

    Learn & Grow as You Go!

    You can do it!

    Wishing You AWESOME Success
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    • Profile picture of the author Angelman
      Originally Posted by chris38 View Post

      Keep in mind we all have to start at -0-...no one is born knowing how to do this stuff. Its a learned craft. The good thing is that you've been lurking and soaking up information, so naturally its time to start taking action on what you've learned.

      Learn & Grow as You Go!

      You can do it!

      Wishing You AWESOME Success
      Thanks so much for the encouragement and of course you are right, we all do have to start somewhere, that is the problem sometimes with being on the outside looking in, it's quite easy to get disheartened by everyone else's apparent successes.

      I'm soaking up more knowledge over at AffPlaybook and ready to pull the trigger on my first PPV campaigns. Again, I need to avoid some of the negative things I keep hearing elsewhere about PPV being very newbie unfriendly - it contradicts what I've heard elsewhere, in fact I picked that to start off with as I thought it was particularly newbie friendly! Sigh.

      Only one way to find out!
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      • Profile picture of the author Shon Chris
        Originally Posted by Angelman View Post

        Thanks so much for the encouragement and of course you are right, we all do have to start somewhere, that is the problem sometimes with being on the outside looking in, it's quite easy to get disheartened by everyone else's apparent successes.

        I'm soaking up more knowledge over at AffPlaybook and ready to pull the trigger on my first PPV campaigns. Again, I need to avoid some of the negative things I keep hearing elsewhere about PPV being very newbie unfriendly - it contradicts what I've heard elsewhere, in fact I picked that to start off with as I thought it was particularly newbie friendly! Sigh.

        Only one way to find out!
        NEVER get disheartened. Quitting is not an option.

        Who cares what other people say about PPV being unfriendly to newbies...so was Adwords, So was SEO etc....

        Think of it this way....anyone that is having any success at PPV was once a NEWBIE to PPV. In other words we're all newbies at some point in the evolution of Internet Marketing.

        Learn then Execute.

        The only difference between a successful person and a UNsuccessful person is that the Successful person took ACTION!
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        • Profile picture of the author Angelman
          Originally Posted by chris38 View Post

          NEVER get disheartened. Quitting is not an option.

          Who cares what other people say about PPV being unfriendly to newbies...so was Adwords, So was SEO etc....

          Think of it this way....anyone that is having any success at PPV was once a NEWBIE to PPV. In other words we're all newbies at some point in the evolution of Internet Marketing.

          Learn then Execute.

          The only difference between a successful person and a UNsuccessful person is that the Successful person took ACTION!
          Most inspirational! Thank you. Giving up often seems an easy way out, but giving up won't help me improve my life, which is something I am determined to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kreative4
    There is always room for newbies
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    Very Great thread
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  • Profile picture of the author AdWorkMedia
    There is always room for newbies in internet marketing. Don't just be a follower, make it happen!

    Remember, "You miss 100% of the shot's you don't take".
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    I like social traffic when starting out. POF is a lot easier to tame IMO but thats my opinion and you should research all your choices. Reach out ot your AM and let them know where you stand and see if he or she can aid in helping you decideon a traffic source but I can tell you most will say start with social via POF or FB in the dating niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author Angelman
      Originally Posted by TomFang View Post

      I think you're definitely on the right track. Great job joining Aff Playbook. Most newbies can't even pull the trigger on something so valuable. I know you're getting massive knowledge from it already.

      The thing to do now is decide on a traffic source and just go for it. Focus on it and absolutely put your full effort towards it until you make it work. Just don't get caught up in trying a bunch of different things: known as the shiny object syndrome.

      -Tom
      Thanks Tom, Yes, Aff Playbook is an amazing resource, so much to take in over there, but must remember to start taking action on some of it as soon as possible.

      I'm leaning towards PPV to start off with I think, although I am under no illusion that ANY traffic source takes time and testing to master. Need to focus on finding a niche with which to focus on too. Hopefully I'll be able to do that quickly and make a start very soon.

      I have definitely been swayed by 'shiny object syndrome' in the past, but those days are over for me now.
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  • Profile picture of the author BlackWar
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    I've read all replies here, and hope this old thread will help you too:
    How to Make Money in CPA & Affiliate MARKETING For NEWBIES!
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    good i need to go with This Cpa Marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author someJoe
    talk to your AM and ask what is currently working where. you can often get a good starting point from them. when just starting, I would try some high converting offers. almost always the higher converting offers have lower payouts but they are also much easier to test for viability than a high-paying/low CR offers. you need a lot more impressions/clicks (read: $) to test some $85 CPA offer than a $4 CPA/L offer. this way you can test more variants faster and come to success "quicker." once you have enough $/experience to run some higher CPA offers, you won't mind blowing $3k on running a test.

    to answer the initial Q: yes, there is plenty of room. if you creative and persistent enough, you can easily make it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    Absolutely still room. The only problem is that now, with all the new information out there is a ton of misinformation, outdated information, and pure crap on the market. If you can wade through that or invest in a program that isn't what I just named, you will be alright. But remember there is no overnight success.
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  • Profile picture of the author rising_sun
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    I am learning from your discussion so I can not comment here but thank you because I am learning a lot from you all.
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