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I'm a relative newbie in the PPC arena.

After reading a WSO on PPC and 7Search, I decided to take action and employ the idea.

Preliminary
- deposited $125 into 7Search (with a $25 match from one of the managers: Brad), total of $150
- ran 4 previous campaigns on 7Search promoting CB products, tons of clicks, no conversions
- deleted these campaigns due to max keyword limits in 7Search (1000 initially, 2500 after an email to their customer support), in retrospect, should've saved the campaigns
- ran 1 peerfly Dating offer, no conversions
- each campaign consisted of 200+ keywords using Google keyword tool

Traffic Quality
- read a ****-tonne of traffic related posts about 7Search
- "7Search Affiliate Program Rules and Guidelines" says it will refund/not charge for "'suspicious' traffic, or traffic that does not stay on your site for more than 20 seconds (typically crawlers/bots)."
- installed an affiliate cloaking plugin for wordpress, and redirected all links through my domain
- installed WordFence plugin to block all crawlers and erroneous requests to my redirect domain
- changed nameservers to CloudFlare and set security to 'high' for extra measures to block crawlers/bots
- also requested Manage SubID Blocking capability in 7Search

Tracking
- read a ****-tonne of articles on tracking in 7Search, and decided to use Prosper202, with allows link cloaking, redirection, tracking, and analytics
- (tried Pretty Link Pro, WPTrafficTools, ThirstyAffiliates, but those weren't enough)
- placed the necessary 7search tracking codes into the aff links: ###AFFID###, ###RID###, ###KEYWORD###

Starting CPA
- I found 3 offers in Peerfly (2 email submits, 1 purchase offer)
- created 3 campaigns in 7Search
- tracked using Prosper202
- As of 24 hours, 175 clicks, 61 unique, 2 conversions

Blocking Bad SubID Traffic
- thus far, I have found that a large chunk of traffic is useless (well documented on the net)
- LukePeerfly ran a "live campaign", yet did not find success according to his own stats here (0 conversions, can't post links yet)
- I've blocked the following SubID's

64226
71818
72429
68159
64436
65285
71603

Moving Forward
- going to try other Email Submit offers from other networks
- will block ID's accordingly from all campaigns
#7search #case #peerfly #prosper202 #study
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  • Profile picture of the author Royce Space
    My advice:

    Here -> Make sure you use HEAVY use of 7Search's negative keyword tool. It can save you a lot of wasted clicks. Their reports show you exactly what is being typed for people to find your listing.
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    • Profile picture of the author RJS7
      I guess it depends on the product because I have had great success with using 7search. It actually surprised me.
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      • Profile picture of the author MTVida
        Definitely run a number of different offers, and try different ones from different networks as well. I run campaigns on 3 networks. One has only produced a single profitable campaign. One has given me a few winners, and one has returned profitable for every campaign I've run!

        This is one of the reasons that belonging to multiple networks can be crucial to your success.
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          • Profile picture of the author MTVida
            Originally Posted by xezile View Post

            Could you clarify what you meant here?
            You say you run campaigns on 3 networks.
            You should separate "networks" and "ad platforms" so that we don't think you're talking about the same thing.
            When are you implying ad platform vs networks?
            When I talk about the "networks" I'm referring to CPA networks. All of the campaigns that I mention here are/were getting traffic from 7 Search.

            Sorry for any confusion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cabbey
    It is important to enroll with as many networks as possible.

    Also, when doing your campaigns it is also important to rotate your offers. Even rotate the same offers but with different networks.

    You might be surprised to see the results.
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    • Profile picture of the author leonidas32
      Originally Posted by Cabbey View Post

      It is important to enroll with as many networks as possible.

      Also, when doing your campaigns it is also important to rotate your offers. Even rotate the same offers but with different networks.

      You might be surprised to see the results.
      I agree this is general CPA optimization knowledge.

      Yet, with 7Search you need to first mitigate/block all low converting traffic sources first.

      It brings up the question of why 7Search does not enable SubID blocking by default?

      I presume their statistics show that most people will give up after their initial deposit, thus, it benefits 7Search to send low quality traffic to burn through that initial deposit.

      Here is a list of the referring sites to my offers (using Prosper202, in order by clicks)
      searchnanotech.com
      ewandoo.com
      abnow.com
      alternativebabynames.com
      necolebitchie.com
      creative-baby-shower-ideas.com
      allfreeporn.info wtf?
      keepandshare.com
      my-search-now.com
      nolangsporob.uiwap.com
      click.panonske.com
      click.headbored.com
      click.newenglandappraisals.com
      newscollector.org
      searchine.com
      click.potchocolate.com
      hdfshy.co.za wtf?
      click.architectureterminologies.com
      tfodwam.gicp.net wtf?
      phrasesearch.net
      click.travelpimp.com
      free.bridal-shower-themes.com wtf?
      click.audiocrack.com
      imarksweb.net non-existant
      family-security-through-frugal-living.com
      healtharticles101.com
      click.thesupremepower.com
      click.spybotremover.com
      click.cardiodynamic.com

      toofab.com
      enaturalhealthcures.com
      click.parkcore.com
      photos.toofab.com
      make-your-own-baby-stuff.com
      udoctor.net how is traffic even coming from here?
      my-pet-medicine.com
      click.hotelsdiscounters.com

      As you can see, a lot of these are not even real websites...

      Thus, I've also requested a list of commonly blocked SubID's from 7Search. Will post what happens shortly.
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  • Profile picture of the author LukePeerFly
    - LukePeerfly ran a "live campaign", yet did not find success according to his own stats here (0 conversions, can't post links yet)
    Yeah, my live 7Search campaign tanked hardcore and I didn't really put forth an effort to optimize. Because you pointed that out and I feel bad about not providing a lot of good data from that case study, here is what I'm currently promoting



    I paused the campaign yesterday (as you can see), but overall it has been performing pretty well. I've been optimizing my sources and although the payout on Spotify US and Spotify UK is very small, I have been able to grab a few cheap keywords and I'm steadily moving towards profitability and hopefully being able to scale with other ad networks as well. As you mentioned, blacklisting bad performers in essential!

    The thing with 7Search is to make the conversion as simple as possible for the user. By pushing them to a Facebook Connect page you are putting the conversion only 1 more click away
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    • Profile picture of the author MFrigger
      It's nice to see members/representatives actually posting useful information on forums like this.

      Keep it up Luke!
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    • Profile picture of the author TrafficSalad
      Originally Posted by LukePeerFly View Post

      Yeah, my live 7Search campaign tanked hardcore and I didn't really put forth an effort to optimize. Because you pointed that out and I feel bad about not providing a lot of good data from that case study, here is what I'm currently promoting



      I paused the campaign yesterday (as you can see), but overall it has been performing pretty well. I've been optimizing my sources and although the payout on Spotify US and Spotify UK is very small, I have been able to grab a few cheap keywords and I'm steadily moving towards profitability and hopefully being able to scale with other ad networks as well. As you mentioned, blacklisting bad performers in essential!

      The thing with 7Search is to make the conversion as simple as possible for the user. By pushing them to a Facebook Connect page you are putting the conversion only 1 more click away

      Yeah, I didn't know how to block Bad Sub IDs before. When you say FB Connect page, then the traffic must have facebook or at least signed in on facebook?
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      • Profile picture of the author LukePeerFly
        Originally Posted by TrafficSalad View Post

        Yeah, I didn't know how to block Bad Sub IDs before. When you say FB Connect page, then the traffic must have facebook or at least signed in on facebook?
        Correct, if you're promoting a Facebook Connect offer you just need to hope that the user has a Facebook account. I don't know the exact percentage of the population that has a Facebook account, but I bet it's better than the amount that need car insurance or are trying to lose weight
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  • Profile picture of the author leonidas32
    So after 10 offers run through the 7Search network, I made back 7.8% of my investment (huge loss).

    I decided to get a refund on my account.

    The interesting thing about 7Search is that they do not allow you to keep your credit despite having spent your initial deposit.

    Thus, I lost my credit as well... which is frustrating...

    I would not recommend 7Search to affiliate marketers based on:

    1. **** Quality traffic sources (as highlighted previously)
    2. Withdrawing my credit, despite spending a full deposit in their system
    3. As LukePeerfly stated, this traffic does not convert

    1 of 5 Stars

    Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author LukePeerFly
      Originally Posted by leonidas32 View Post

      The interesting thing about 7Search is that they do not allow you to keep your credit despite having spent your initial deposit.
      Do you mean you made the $50 deposit, got the $25 bonus, spent your $50 deposit, and they won't let you withdraw your $25 bonus? If that's the case I can understand that from their point of view. It's money they put on your account for traffic. You should have run some more traffic with it

      What type of offers were you promoting?
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    • Profile picture of the author forumorders
      Originally Posted by leonidas32 View Post

      So after 10 offers run through the 7Search network, I made back 7.8% of my investment (huge loss).

      I decided to get a refund on my account.

      The interesting thing about 7Search is that they do not allow you to keep your credit despite having spent your initial deposit.

      Thus, I lost my credit as well... which is frustrating...

      I would not recommend 7Search to affiliate marketers based on:

      1. **** Quality traffic sources (as highlighted previously)
      2. Withdrawing my credit, despite spending a full deposit in their system
      3. As LukePeerfly stated, this traffic does not convert

      1 of 5 Stars

      Cheers.

      If you still have this credit can i buy it from you for a reasonable price?
      I am new and I want to try it

      Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author eac07740
    Thanks leonidas32 for taking the time to share your experience with 7search. I personally find that blocking bad traffic domains key to success when using 7search. It does limit the speed of traffic delivered but you will see a better conversion rate.

    LukePeerFly makes a strong point. Simple offers with minimal form fields, or 1 click downloads are top convertors.
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  • Profile picture of the author mailey
    7 Search seems to be at a rage on IM forums at the mo so I am following this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pastorser
    I use 7search form zip/summit offers and it converts quite well, you have to test several offers because some of then just won't work but some of them works, When I found what works I try to scale and do more testing.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    this verifies that 7search traffic is very difficult to make money on
    as has been said by many people

    but people continue to post threads saying "you can make good money with 7search"

    why are those threads allowed?
    its unreliable, low quality traffic at best
    if you do manage to get it to convert there is not enough traffic to make any money with
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    • Profile picture of the author david15923
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      this verifies that 7search traffic is very difficult to make money on
      as has been said by many people

      but people continue to post threads saying "you can make good money with 7search"

      why are those threads allowed?
      its unreliable, low quality traffic at best
      if you do manage to get it to convert there is not enough traffic to make any money with
      Yeah, traffic is low quality and there is low volume but my main problem is that there is too many competition. You can get clicks at 1 cent but those keywords dont have volume and the main keywords generally cost 0.06$ - 0.08$ for offers that pay less then 2$ and those offers generally have 5% CR at max. It's too saturated for the volume it has because everybody is saying to start with 7search before they go to adwords or adcenter.

      I guess that there is some money to be made but the volume and quality makes it so that there isn't 'space' for everybody.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPAGodFather
    I never got any volume on it either. I stick with adwords, adcenter and facebook
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    7search is not good traffic... they have had all sorts of issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author businessmanic
    I used 7search and it was always break even. may be I should have block the bad traffic sources. try promoting finance offers and filter the traffic, it may bring some good results.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayKnight
    I agree with others that 7 Search is pretty difficult to scale due to the search volume. I had a bit of experience with it, and ended up losing money. I think it's a good learning point though. I'm hoping the campaigns I ran on it will at least give me more of a chance in the future when I try other platforms like Facebook.

    Best of luck though
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  • Profile picture of the author QtoBrooklyn
    I love when my ad is doing well on 7search, then suddenly it all stops. I check to see why and it's usually someone who completely copied my ad copy and bid higher than me..
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  • Profile picture of the author electronik69
    I got into 7search because it was recommend from a friend, and I started promoting a cbank dating product, and I forgot about it, then around 3 weeks later I get a cheque from cbank for $100 (sweet!) only put $25 on the account. I looked at cbank analytics it was saying i had a epc of $1.43. When you looked at the competition 40% of them were promoting the same product I was and the other 60% were promoting another product. All the copy was pretty much the same for all the ads, (literally every single competitor was writing the same thing).

    Now you guys are probably right with low quality traffic but I think 7search is a great platform to test because of the low cost involved.

    I have just started running 2 new CPA promotions relating to the health industry hopefully my luck doesn't run out with 7search
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  • Profile picture of the author stockcertified
    leonidas32

    Great case study post. I read PeerFlyLuke original recommendation on 7search but this thread gives a whole new perspective.

    electronik69 may have hit the one sale wonder but you always need to spend more to see stats over time.

    It goes to show that you should put all your energy into figuring out one traffic source so that you nail all the gotcha's these cheap click search engines will throw at yah

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    • Profile picture of the author affy123
      I first heard about 7Search from Gauher C. It takes time to clean up the traffic but once you do it the best bang for your buck
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    Leonidas32

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    You know what your doing and this higher payout will help screen the junk traffic to hit a profitable campaign
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  • Profile picture of the author Sendtotaher
    I am trying free methods and have very little success. Soon I will scale it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Parry
    7search has loads of traffic and you can make profits if you are skilled at making it targeted and sieving out bad traffic. Once you know the winning keywords you can launch several campaigns and optimize them to make a good profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scrape
    I think its the keywords. Try using google keywords tool
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  • Profile picture of the author pikerones
    what is minimum bid in 7search? in keywoords show what where are 1 cent bids too, but when I trink to bit 1 cent, after click I paying 5 cent
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    • Profile picture of the author LukePeerFly
      Originally Posted by pikerones View Post

      what is minimum bid in 7search? in keywoords show what where are 1 cent bids too, but when I trink to bit 1 cent, after click I paying 5 cent
      When you're using the keyword tool you have to bid at least $0.05, but once you are back to your Manage Keywords page you can change your bid as low as $0.01.


      (it says inactive because the campaign is paused)
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      • Profile picture of the author Patrick310
        Can someone give me a list of sites that my ads would appear on using 7search?

        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author LukePeerFly
          Originally Posted by Patrick310 View Post

          Can someone give me a list of sites that my ads would appear on using 7search?

          Thanks
          7Search has been around awhile and although I do not have an exact number, I'm guessing they have thousands of affiliate sites with their search on it.
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          • Profile picture of the author wizbiz
            Originally Posted by LukePeerFly View Post

            7Search has been around awhile.
            Yeap, it's translates to (or = to) 7Search has been cleaning IM peoples pockets for a while..

            I just setup a ""junk" trap campaign and was amazed how "fish" actually biting..

            CTR 40% Amazing.. I guess, people hungry for cash

            Couple of record lines, sorry I wouldn't keep this alive for long

            Check this out

            eastsideblog.net

            Look where you wasting your money.. Complete 100% Scam..

            Another Jokers:

            http://34497.33164.filter.hubnetmedia.com

            About 15 redirects..

            Another one, from INDIA

            infosrchdominto.in

            Even though I check "US ONLY" traffic...

            If you want me continue to report, I would need another 5$ to burn, to show you

            that everyone pretty much knows already.. I don't know why this ".corp" didn't get sued yet?

            Why they still scamming out 100 of advertisers on daily basis.. And how I supposed

            to filter gazillion worthless stealth blogs on daily basis.. You wanna say something?

            Let's talk.. I just get my point setting up simple campaign, And I do have enable

            filtering, the problem is.. You cannot filter Spamwised links same as "domains" in this

            case they are creating those auto blogs on the fly and stilling YOUR money..

            And all those crooked websites got 20%-30% CTR... (Talking about transfer of wealth

            Guess what, you think you are paying 0.05 per click it might be true, but

            at the end you have ZERO conversions.. You cannot possibly filter out all those ghost 7search clowns..

            Try to filter spam by destination URL "domain" in your email client.. You got the Idea..

            You've been 7searched. Don't ever say - "I didn't know..."

            P.S

            Another ones:

            http://ppcnewmarket.com/

            Look at their "website"... I'm just curious if they are splitting the profits by allowing this Fraud

            Or just "innocent and have no clue"? Take your best guess on that one...
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            • Profile picture of the author webapex
              Regarding the wizbiz comments:

              "Check this out:

              eastsideblog.net

              Look where you wasting your money.. Complete 100% Scam..

              ......

              Another one, from INDIA infosrchdominto.in
              Even though I check "US ONLY" traffic..."

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              Sorry to add to the thread so late, just wanted to add my observations on the example eastsideblog.net
              About 10% of my clicks were coming from that referrer, a zero content search bar only site, on further investigation I found the same AFFID has some 1000+ domain names (all hosted by atjeu publishing, llc Arizona) with the same bare search bar site design. I blocked them all assuming they have no attraction to real visitors and are a perfect setup for hard to trace paid to click traffic.
              Recently looking back through the logs I found out of some 27 clicks from that site 3 converted for a toolbar installation.
              Somehow Alexa gives the site a 140,414 world traffic rank and a US rank of 33,766 they must be doing some sort of arbitrage. I re-enabled that subid (and the 159 other domains on the same IP) to give it another chance.

              Regarding the Indian domain name, when you specify U.S. only traffic you get user IP addresses that match the specified countries, it doesn't restrict the sites these people choose to visit.

              Requesting 7Search to enable the subid blocking tool is probably important to raising conversion rates, though I only identified a couple of clear cut cases of click abuse patterns, I have blocked a few site based on their quality and likelihood to attract real visitors.

              FYI the LukePeerfly 50% match promo code worked for me in early April 2013, Maxbounty has a 100% funding match for first time users.
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        • Profile picture of the author mtmjohn
          Originally Posted by Patrick310 View Post

          Can someone give me a list of sites that my ads would appear on using 7search?

          Thanks
          Contact View Profile: 7SearchBrad for a list.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    yeah your problem is that you put way too many keywords...by clicking select all....and therefore you get erroneous clicks.

    I've found that once I actually went in and looked at the actual keywords....and made sure they related to my offer...(7search)...that my conversions went way up.

    Sounds like you're getting bogus clicks from spam bots...

    But 7search is profitable as long as you test and track...kind of a pain yeah....but worth it once you find a campaign that is converting.
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  • Profile picture of the author abcwangyi789
    i just want to try 7search , i think that the most important is the keyword and landing pages you choose , maybe you can change them .
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    • Profile picture of the author Anomalous
      I think the OP has been too quick to abandon 7search.

      The experience he describes here will be basically the same for any traffic source. You have to learn the traffic, how to make it convert, and you have to spend money to do it.

      There are 3 features of your 7search account that you have to ask support to enable for you:

      SubID Blocking
      Domain Blocking
      Campaign Scheduling

      The first two allow you to weed out poor quality traffic. The 3rd one allows you to determine which times of day your campaigns will run. If you are doing proper tracking with Prosper202, you can look at the Day Parting reports to see when your clicks convert, and when they don't.

      What you'll usually see is that clicks after 10pm and before 7am convert poorly, if at all. No reason to pay for these. The times will very based on your keywords and your offer.

      Spend 2 to 3 weeks collecting data. Watch for bad traffic sources and block them. Do not run campaigns during the times they do not convert. Pair down your keyword list to the keywords that actually convert, and ditch the rest. Test your ad copy, and above all TRACK. You can't succeed without data.

      Eventually you reach a point where you are not receiving a lot of clicks anymore, but a good percentage of the ones you get will convert. Do this with a couple of dozen offers, and you are making a living.
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  • Profile picture of the author Xtronikz
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    Yeah i think everyone is different. I personally had success with 7search
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  • Profile picture of the author Anomalous
    Wow,

    I for one am glad that people can't figure 7search out. Less competition for me. I am getting conversions, I am controlling my traffic, and I am profitable.

    I will not say that 7search has great quality traffic, but it has affordable traffic and you can block the stuff coming from affiliates and domains that you don't like.

    Also, once we put our big boy pants on and start bidding $0.15 or more a click instead of a penny, the quality of the traffic sources improves drastically.
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  • Profile picture of the author ppcguy2012
    i finally decided to make an account after buying a few things and reading the forums and decided to put my two piece in about 7search.... you have to definitely lose money with 7search to start to make any... with 7search you have to approach it differently than you would other ppc platforms... mainly because there are alot of affiliates there are producing junk traffic. I think that 7search is a good starting point to learn how to do tracking, setting up webpages and such but as far as trying to make big money or anything...possible but definitely not on the surface
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    I show it to teach people ppc dirt cheap then suggest they move onto bigger platforms afterwards. However most do make money with it, but it's 20% search and 80% content network for them all in one campaign. Plus you have to treat each campaign as you would an adgroup on Adwords or Bing Ads.

    It's a different animal with subid blocking available too. It's very possible to make money on it and you don't JUST have to email submits with it.

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  • Profile picture of the author RyanEagle
    Try to enroll to as many networks as possible. You can also try using the Google keywords tool. It can help.
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  • Profile picture of the author rising_sun
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    It's a good network no doubt about it ,
    I am well experienced about it ,it wins my trust and dependency .
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  • Profile picture of the author calciferol
    with 7 search breaking even is itself a miracle
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  • Profile picture of the author loss1988
    7search traffic does convert but sometime it becomes worse. So you will expect some days it converts well, some day it sucks. But 7search does convert.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greedy
      Originally Posted by loss1988 View Post

      7search traffic does convert but sometime it becomes worse. So you will expect some days it converts well, some day it sucks. But 7search does convert.
      yeah true with lots of traffic sources.

      I think a lot of people like to bash 7Search because they see other bashing it, and they barely gave it a read shot.
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    • Profile picture of the author 7SearchBrad
      Originally Posted by loss1988 View Post

      7search traffic does convert but sometime it becomes worse. So you will expect some days it converts well, some day it sucks. But 7search does convert.
      The biggest thing to keep in mind the fluctuation of our network. We continuously form new partnerships and sever others based our findings through our click fraud technology. Let me know if there's any specific questions I could ever address for you. I'd be glad to help.
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  • Profile picture of the author cabenb
    Hi,

    I'm doing fine just using the keyword search tool provided by 7Search. To find initial keywords I use scrape box and Jaaxy. And........ a lot of trial and error! Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author daddyshu
      Thx ppl, just reading a lot of comments on using 7search gives me new inspiration for taking actions on 7search. I felt like I was a bit on a dead end, but just like all experienced IM's say: Just don't give up :rolleyes: As soon as I have a bit of a profitable campaign on 7search I wil report back.
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