Screw Expensive PPC/PPV For CPA...This Is More Safer/Cheaper!

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Pay per click traffic by far is the fastest way to get traffic from a search engine preferably on Google. But who really wants to continue to advertise on a search when bid prices are only getting more and more expensive? Numerous guys have address the constant rise of bid prices on google (Frank Kern, Ryan Deiss, etc).

So what are you really going to do? Attempting to try the seo thing? I mean it's a real pain in the ass to consider doing that as an alternative to ppc when google keeps changing the algorithm making it harder and harder each time for a website to get traffic. I just saw the recent update from Matt Cutts addressing that low quality exact match domains would be penelized on the search engine. Though I don't know exactly when that will start to happen I bet a lot of people are considering to use the panic button if they were solely dependent on their emd's.

So let me get to the point of what I feel is a much better alternative to all of this. My answer is Media Buying! But not just any media buying from large networks unless of course that does not bother you.
What I'm talking about is buying media from smaller sites which would mean you spending less money then you would have been spending on pay per click.

So just how would you go about doing this? Well first you would have to find targeted sites in your niche and you would have to research the demographics of those sites. Then you would need to provide the right offer in place for the right crowd (after doing your research). Since you would be buying media on a cpm basis using more visible banners (like around (300x250) you would then have to calculate how much you should be spending per 1000 impressions based on the price of your offer.

Then when you contact the webmaster you need can negotiate a price to paying for a week or a month something you can't do with google.After that you would set a tracking system in place to track the clicks so in that aspect it is still like ppc but you are paying much less.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsbear
    Originally Posted by affguy89 View Post

    Attempting to try the seo thing? I mean it's a real pain in the ass to consider doing that as an alternative to ppc when google keeps changing the algorithm making it harder and harder each time for a website to get traffic. I just saw the recent update from Matt Cutts addressing that low quality exact match domains would be penelized on the search engine. Though I don't know exactly when that will start to happen I bet a lot of people are considering to use the panic button if they were solely dependent on their emd's.
    This part about SEO is ridiculous. Once again, the only people who get penalized by Google are the ones who don't know how SEO works, nor do they understand what SEO really is comprised of.

    Maybe your advice works if the person has absolutely no understanding of professional SEO/promoting a website through search optimization, but otherwise you are just comparing long-term versus short-term results.
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    • Profile picture of the author affguy89
      Originally Posted by bsbear View Post

      Maybe your advice works if the person has absolutely no understanding of professional SEO/promoting a website through search optimization, but otherwise you are just comparing long-term versus short-term results.
      Well it may be that those people wanted results right away instead of the traditional longevity approach of building authority sites over time. And I have to say that if that is the case they could be wasting time on a non profitable keyword. This is why using an immediate advertising approach is essential for testing whether one chooses to go the seo or route or paid advertising route.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobertoM
        Originally Posted by affguy89 View Post

        Well it may be that those people wanted results right away instead of the traditional longevity approach of building authority sites over time. And I have to say that if that is the case they could be wasting time on a non profitable keyword. This is why using an immediate advertising approach is essential for testing whether one chooses to go the seo or route or paid advertising route.
        Totally agree with affguy89.
        SEOing sucks because of the amount of work involved and also the time to get results.
        And it's not just a problem of quality. There are also a lot of other issues there.
        Google is totally unpredictable and eventhough you thoroughly study all its policies and TOS, you can't be never sure when and how will they change.
        If you have some budget, go to paid traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    Well it may be that those people wanted results right away instead of the traditional longevity approach of building authority sites over time.
    It isn't quick results vs. longevity

    More a matter of the quality you bring to the table.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobertoM
    Originally Posted by affguy89 View Post

    ...So let me get to the point of what I feel is a much better alternative to all of this. My answer is Media Buying! But not just any media buying from large networks unless of course that does not bother you.
    What I'm talking about is buying media from smaller sites which would mean you spending less money then you would have been spending on pay per click....
    Can you give us some examples of those Media Buying smaller sites?
    Thks.
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    • Profile picture of the author affguy89
      Originally Posted by RobertoM View Post

      Can you give us some examples of those Media Buying smaller sites?
      Thks.
      Sure. You can always start out by using sites that are relevant directly to your niche with significant amount of traffic. Contact the webmaster and work out a deal for payment and test using proper tools.

      But some examples of smaller networks you can use are:

      Pulse360
      AdBuyer
      AdBlade
      AdReady
      Adsonar
      Adtoll
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    I wouldnt say media buying is better than ppc - its just different. But this is the approach I like to take, but it often does take a while to find a webmaster that will work with you
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  • Profile picture of the author chintz24
    Media buying is totally different. It is 10x advanced.
    Try getting a 7search newbie to buy media on sitescout RTB. EPIC FAIL.
    I think an alternative is finding smarter targets to reduce click costs.
    There is always an option.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jerome Y
    It can be good if you know what you're doing. Don't let anyone mislead you into thinking any particular method is much easier.

    There are a lot of nuances that go behind things like media buys and solo ads. There is a lot of skill behind it. Do your research to see what works and what doesn't. Don't jump right in just because someone said so.
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