Why no so called Guru's in CPA?

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I was posed a very interesting question the other day. If CPA is so profitable and a millionaire maker why aren't any of the so called Guru's in it and seem to spend all their on internet marketing?

Is it because they are constantly trying to sell products to new people and IM is the most lucrative market for this?

Is it they know that 90% of CPA is PPC and that new people can't afford PPC?

Or are they in CPA behind the scenes and don't want most people to know this?

Just wanted to get your thoughts on this and I had never thought about it before until I was asked the question.

Thanks and best to all,

Joe
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  • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
    Hey Joe,
    I think you don't see a lot of gurus teaching CPA marketing because those who do it successfully are making plenty of money and don't bother with teaching.

    On the other hand there is Gauher Chaudhry? He's highly successful and he teaches. He came out with a course called Pay Per Click Formula in 1997. That course helped quite a few people quit their day jobs and also helped create several CPA marketing millionaires.

    Correction: Ooops, I meant to say 2007 not 1997.
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    • Profile picture of the author JunChic
      Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post

      He came out with a course called Pay Per Click Formula in 1997.
      John, was it a typo error 1997? Or 2007? :confused:

      Since we are on the subject of Chaudhry's PPC Formula, did you buy his version 1 course. Any success story or experience you (or anyone) might want to share? Strike this sentence out, just read your review!


      I'm also curious just how much his new course would be? Any idea, anyone?
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  • Profile picture of the author Harvey Affcash
    Sorry, but did you miss the entire Aymen and "Arbitrage Conspiracy" thing??

    Right there! Whooooole heap of gurus going on about how awesome this all was going to be.

    I'd say the real reason the "gurus" aren't crowding the sapce is because a) you actually need to be able to teach people skills that they don't innately have already, and most of the gurus are actually really woeful as educators b) It's a lot harder to deliver on a product that shows people how to work in an environment that undergoes seismic shifts in a matter of days, whilst remaining fairly constant the rest of the time c) Most "gurus" are actually snakeoil salesmen that are just using PLR stuff that's a decade old and doesn't actually work anymore, and their money comes from selling the seminars and junk products, not from their online marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert_Rand
      Here's my answer... and although I'm gonna stereotype a little I think it's pretty accurate.

      See, most Guru's are inherently very charismatic people. They have magnetic personalities and are very good salespeople. They like being around and communicating with people. They also usually like attention. Most of them however do not understand internet marketing from a technical standpoint at this level. That's why when a lot of them Gurus endorsed AC I don't think they were trying to or knowingly misleading anyone - they simply aren't involved in CPA and the information probably was new and exciting to them...

      Now, the real players in the CPA game are often the exact opposite. They're often low key, even secretive. They're usually pretty young, very technically inclined and often grew up with a computer in their bedroom. I'm talking about 15-30 year old nerds. These are the real powerhouses in the CPA game. If you see them you'd likely be in complete denial that they make $3k-100k per day. Often times they're completely uninvolved in the "internet marketing" niche and couldn't name one "guru" if you asked them. They just continuously and obsessively test, tweak... and drive insane amounts of traffic to mainstream offers.

      Now, to anyone reading this... there are of course plenty of exceptions so it is a little unfair to stereotype and paint a black and white comparison... but personally, this has definitely been my experience.

      And you know what else? Many won't enter the IM niche b/c it's too targeted in the BizOPP niche and simply not big enough for them. They'll often only enter niches where they can realistically do 5k+/day consistently everyday (for example mainstream bizopp and weight loss)
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      • Profile picture of the author Merlingeek
        About CPA players I just can't agree more with you, I knew several guys making banks but very small amount people know them in IM .

        Originally Posted by Robert_Rand View Post

        Here's my answer... and although I'm gonna stereotype a little I think it's pretty accurate.

        See, most Guru's are inherently very charismatic people. They have magnetic personalities and are very good salespeople. They like being around and communicating with people. They also usually like attention. Most of them however do not understand internet marketing from a technical standpoint at this level. That's why when a lot of them Gurus endorsed AC I don't think they were trying to or knowingly misleading anyone - they simply aren't involved in CPA and the information probably was new and exciting to them...

        Now, the real players in the CPA game are often the exact opposite. They're often low key, even secretive. They're usually pretty young, very technically inclined and often grew up with a computer in their bedroom. I'm talking about 15-30 year old nerds. These are the real powerhouses in the CPA game. If you see them you'd likely be in complete denial that they make $3k-100k per day. Often times they're completely uninvolved in the "internet marketing" niche and couldn't name one "guru" if you asked them. They just continuously and obsessively test, tweak... and drive insane amounts of traffic to mainstream offers.

        Now, to anyone reading this... there are of course plenty of exceptions so it is a little unfair to stereotype and paint a black and white comparison... but personally, this has definitely been my experience.

        And you know what else? Many won't enter the IM niche b/c it's too targeted in the BizOPP niche and simply not big enough for them. They'll often only enter niches where they can realistically do 5k+/day consistently everyday (for example mainstream bizopp and weight loss)
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe's Market
          Hey Robert,

          very well thought out and well said. I would have to agree with all you said and will you your ideas in the future if asked again, if you don't mind.

          Thanks to everyone who replied.

          Joe
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      • Profile picture of the author TE2
        Originally Posted by Robert_Rand View Post

        Here's my answer... and although I'm gonna stereotype a little I think it's pretty accurate.

        See, most Guru's are inherently very charismatic people. They have magnetic personalities and are very good salespeople. They like being around and communicating with people. They also usually like attention. Most of them however do not understand internet marketing from a technical standpoint at this level. That's why when a lot of them Gurus endorsed AC I don't think they were trying to or knowingly misleading anyone - they simply aren't involved in CPA and the information probably was new and exciting to them...

        Now, the real players in the CPA game are often the exact opposite. They're often low key, even secretive. They're usually pretty young, very technically inclined and often grew up with a computer in their bedroom. I'm talking about 15-30 year old nerds. These are the real powerhouses in the CPA game. If you see them you'd likely be in complete denial that they make $3k-100k per day. Often times they're completely uninvolved in the "internet marketing" niche and couldn't name one "guru" if you asked them. They just continuously and obsessively test, tweak... and drive insane amounts of traffic to mainstream offers.

        Now, to anyone reading this... there are of course plenty of exceptions so it is a little unfair to stereotype and paint a black and white comparison... but personally, this has definitely been my experience.

        And you know what else? Many won't enter the IM niche b/c it's too targeted in the BizOPP niche and simply not big enough for them. They'll often only enter niches where they can realistically do 5k+/day consistently everyday (for example mainstream bizopp and weight loss)
        BINGO! - We have a winner!
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      • Profile picture of the author LeivaMatias
        Its very unrealistic to get banned from a network. The only reason you were banned is because something must have been incorrect in your traffic source, the leads did not pop out on the backend.

        If you are generated quality numbers with cpa networks, you will have consistency.

        CPA stability is built through having various campaigns, not just 1. Most of the top cpa marketers are in every niche possible, and have spread themselves across all types of traffic sources.

        In the business world or in marketing, there is no guarantee of making money. Every business owner is always actively moving their business, even in MLM the big guys making a few million a year, they have to keep actively moving their business or their residual/sales volume will decrease quickly.
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      • Profile picture of the author tx4closurepro
        Originally Posted by Robert_Rand View Post

        Here's my answer... and although I'm gonna stereotype a little I think it's pretty accurate.

        See, most Guru's are inherently very charismatic people. They have magnetic personalities and are very good salespeople. They like being around and communicating with people. They also usually like attention. Most of them however do not understand internet marketing from a technical standpoint at this level. That's why when a lot of them Gurus endorsed AC I don't think they were trying to or knowingly misleading anyone - they simply aren't involved in CPA and the information probably was new and exciting to them...

        Now, the real players in the CPA game are often the exact opposite. They're often low key, even secretive. They're usually pretty young, very technically inclined and often grew up with a computer in their bedroom. I'm talking about 15-30 year old nerds. These are the real powerhouses in the CPA game. If you see them you'd likely be in complete denial that they make $3k-100k per day. Often times they're completely uninvolved in the "internet marketing" niche and couldn't name one "guru" if you asked them. They just continuously and obsessively test, tweak... and drive insane amounts of traffic to mainstream offers.

        Now, to anyone reading this... there are of course plenty of exceptions so it is a little unfair to stereotype and paint a black and white comparison... but personally, this has definitely been my experience.

        And you know what else? Many won't enter the IM niche b/c it's too targeted in the BizOPP niche and simply not big enough for them. They'll often only enter niches where they can realistically do 5k+/day consistently everyday (for example mainstream bizopp and weight loss)
        mannn.... i had begun making the same assumptions and once i read your post it instantly clicked for me; in fact, i am now thinking i am not detailed enough for CPA...

        (not sure if that's good or bad... time will tell)
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      • Profile picture of the author merigot123
        Originally Posted by Robert_Rand View Post

        Here's my answer... and although I'm gonna stereotype a little I think it's pretty accurate.

        See, most Guru's are inherently very charismatic people. They have magnetic personalities and are very good salespeople. They like being around and communicating with people. They also usually like attention. Most of them however do not understand internet marketing from a technical standpoint at this level. That's why when a lot of them Gurus endorsed AC I don't think they were trying to or knowingly misleading anyone - they simply aren't involved in CPA and the information probably was new and exciting to them...

        Now, the real players in the CPA game are often the exact opposite. They're often low key, even secretive. They're usually pretty young, very technically inclined and often grew up with a computer in their bedroom. I'm talking about 15-30 year old nerds. These are the real powerhouses in the CPA game. If you see them you'd likely be in complete denial that they make $3k-100k per day. Often times they're completely uninvolved in the "internet marketing" niche and couldn't name one "guru" if you asked them. They just continuously and obsessively test, tweak... and drive insane amounts of traffic to mainstream offers.

        Now, to anyone reading this... there are of course plenty of exceptions so it is a little unfair to stereotype and paint a black and white comparison... but personally, this has definitely been my experience.

        And you know what else? Many won't enter the IM niche b/c it's too targeted in the BizOPP niche and simply not big enough for them. They'll often only enter niches where they can realistically do 5k+/day consistently everyday (for example mainstream bizopp and weight loss)
        It could not be well worded than this. I even happen to have my personal CPA coach in this industry who is only 21. This kid could have been my son, here I am learning from him. He lives, breathes CPA marketing nothing else. Of course they bank in $1000's a day that is a new passion for them. Doesn't any better but to be focused. Now he has a new purpose, a new hobby instead of playing video games in his bedroom. Chances are he will be Millionaire by 30. <><>Excellent Post<><>.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marwan Hakam
          Originally Posted by merigot123 View Post

          It could not be well worded than this. I even happen to have my personal CPA coach in this industry who is only 21. This kid could have been my son, here I am learning from him. He lives, breathes CPA marketing nothing else. Of course they bank in $1000's a day that is a new passion for them. Doesn't any better but to be focused. Now he has a new purpose, a new hobby instead of playing video games in his bedroom. Chances are he will be Millionaire by 30. <><>Excellent Post<><>.

          well well well said....
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      • Profile picture of the author Aaron Chandler
        Originally Posted by Robert_Rand View Post

        Here's my answer... and although I'm gonna stereotype a little I think it's pretty accurate....
        I'll second honestbizpro's response - Well said!

        And I agree - there ARE exceptions - from what I've read about Gauher, he seems like one of them.

        - Aaron
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      • Profile picture of the author big-marketing
        Originally Posted by Robert_Rand View Post

        Now, the real players in the CPA game are often the exact opposite. They're often low key, even secretive. They're usually pretty young, very technically inclined and often grew up with a computer in their bedroom. I'm talking about 15-30 year old nerds. These are the real powerhouses in the CPA game. If you see them you'd likely be in complete denial that they make $3k-100k per day. Often times they're completely uninvolved in the "internet marketing" niche and couldn't name one "guru" if you asked them. They just continuously and obsessively test, tweak... and drive insane amounts of traffic to mainstream offers.
        fwiw, the funny thing is you just described aymen perfectly except he's on the high end and the actual big dogs in cpa do even more than that. Ever wonder why brad fallon was the face of the original launch and you don't see pictures and videos out the ying yang of aymen anywhere?

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        Originally Posted by Robert_Rand View Post

        Here's my answer... and although I'm gonna stereotype a little I think it's pretty accurate.

        See, most Guru's are inherently very charismatic people. They have magnetic personalities and are very good salespeople. They like being around and communicating with people. They also usually like attention. Most of them however do not understand internet marketing from a technical standpoint at this level. That's why when a lot of them Gurus endorsed AC I don't think they were trying to or knowingly misleading anyone - they simply aren't involved in CPA and the information probably was new and exciting to them...

        Now, the real players in the CPA game are often the exact opposite. They're often low key, even secretive. They're usually pretty young, very technically inclined and often grew up with a computer in their bedroom. I'm talking about 15-30 year old nerds. These are the real powerhouses in the CPA game. If you see them you'd likely be in complete denial that they make $3k-100k per day. Often times they're completely uninvolved in the "internet marketing" niche and couldn't name one "guru" if you asked them. They just continuously and obsessively test, tweak... and drive insane amounts of traffic to mainstream offers.

        Now, to anyone reading this... there are of course plenty of exceptions so it is a little unfair to stereotype and paint a black and white comparison... but personally, this has definitely been my experience.

        And you know what else? Many won't enter the IM niche b/c it's too targeted in the BizOPP niche and simply not big enough for them. They'll often only enter niches where they can realistically do 5k+/day consistently everyday (for example mainstream bizopp and weight loss)
        This is one of the most insightful, well-explained and concise posts I've ever read on the WF in my 3 years here.

        Thanks!

        Kenneth
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris R Motive
    The thing about "Guru's" is that they are posers that are trying to rip you off. Anyone making a great deal of money in any niche is stupid to "sell their secrets". 100% of the time what they are selling you is BS. My suggestion is to stop buying ebooks and "guru secrets" and just start testing for yourself, find a method that works for you, make bank off of it and dont tell anyone what you are doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author xanax
      Originally Posted by Chris R Motive View Post

      The thing about "Guru's" is that they are posers that are trying to rip you off. Anyone making a great deal of money in any niche is stupid to "sell their secrets". 100% of the time what they are selling you is BS. My suggestion is to stop buying ebooks and "guru secrets" and just start testing for yourself, find a method that works for you, make bank off of it and dont tell anyone what you are doing.

      good post man you are on the money with this , if they make 1000's per day or whatever.... why sell secrets for $20 or whatever
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    • Profile picture of the author TE2
      Originally Posted by Chris R Motive View Post

      The thing about "Guru's" is that they are posers that are trying to rip you off. Anyone making a great deal of money in any niche is stupid to "sell their secrets". 100% of the time what they are selling you is BS. My suggestion is to stop buying ebooks and "guru secrets" and just start testing for yourself, find a method that works for you, make bank off of it and dont tell anyone what you are doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author KentuckyJeff
      Originally Posted by Chris R Motive View Post

      The thing about "Guru's" is that they are posers that are trying to rip you off. Anyone making a great deal of money in any niche is stupid to "sell their secrets". 100% of the time what they are selling you is BS. My suggestion is to stop buying ebooks and "guru secrets" and just start testing for yourself, find a method that works for you, make bank off of it and dont tell anyone what you are doing.

      Well put indeed. Although there are exceptions (I guess), I was very reluctant when I started in AM over a year ago. I was almost excited when I started seeing all the 'FREE' ebooks at first. But...if it seems too good to be true...

      I've found that most everything 'FREE', and even some of the very few products that I've purchased, are just affiliate links, upsells and recycled BS.

      Well, maybe not recycled, just the same BS.

      What I have spent any decent amount of money on that was AM related was software which had a good reputation, and I at least knew what I was buying.

      I just can't imagine what are in the courses/methods/cash generating machines that so many people are chomping at the bit to drop $2,000 or more on.

      I'm just a dumb Hill-Billy though. Maybe I need a $5,000 Google Autopilot Cash Generating Stealth Ninja Job Killer Formula 2 Info Spy System.

      (If anyone wants to use that title maybe we can do a JV ?)
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    • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
      Originally Posted by Chris R Motive View Post

      The thing about "Guru's" is that they are posers that are trying to rip you off. Anyone making a great deal of money in any niche is stupid to "sell their secrets". 100% of the time what they are selling you is BS. My suggestion is to stop buying ebooks and "guru secrets" and just start testing for yourself, find a method that works for you, make bank off of it and dont tell anyone what you are doing.
      I would have to disagree ... Guru's are usually excellent marketers .. otherwise no one will ever hear from them.

      Do guru's do CPA ? .. Some of them do, a lot of them are on the advertiser side. And even if they don't do CPA I am sure they have done affiliate marketing at some point.

      They cross promote each other and that still would count as affiliate marketers.

      Surely some of them just make crappy products just for the sake of it, but some of them give you small portions of "meat" along the lines. Some, more than others

      The main point here is .. you can't be a poser and be a successful guru in the same time
      Does that mean that you can replicate his success by buying his stuff ? Most probably not .. unless it's a very expensive 1 on 1 coaching ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kyle L Hannah
    Some may agree with not telling others what's working, but maybe some truly want to help people out.

    I've grown a lot successfully by helping out my fellow man/woman. So if I have something that works, I would be inclined to sell it or share it with others off the
    simple fact that I believe the more you give the more you get.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris R Motive
      Originally Posted by Kyle L Hannah View Post

      Some may agree with not telling others what's working, but maybe some truly want to help people out.

      I've grown a lot successfully by helping out my fellow man/woman. So if I have something that works, I would be inclined to sell it or share it with others off the
      simple fact that I believe the more you give the more you get.
      I am not going to argue with you here but a successful marketer, someone who is doing AM fulltime does not want their niche saturated, its not about not helping people its about not giving people your livelihood.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kyle L Hannah
        Originally Posted by Chris R Motive View Post

        I am not going to argue with you here but a successful marketer, someone who is doing AM fulltime does not want their niche saturated, its not about not helping people its about not giving people your livelihood.

        See and I disagree ... You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. I do AM full-time yes.
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        • Profile picture of the author syncjam
          As a newbie, it seems the best info I get is free from "gurus" just wanting to help!
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    Sort of a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water, suggesting all "gurus" are fakes/useless etc.

    I would put it like this....

    * A huge number of IM gurus are pretty much only good at selling IM products so won't tackle CPA
    * A lot of the people really making money with CPA are keeping dead quiet, they are "underground guru's" in their own right but keep under the radar whilst counting keeping their systems/niches to themselves and counting daily revenues in excess of $10k per day with ease.

    However, there are plenty of guys out there, some well known , Trainer, Gauher etc who are teaching people how to monetize CPA pretty well. There are also a number of guys out there, IM guru types quietly making a killing with CPA by merging it with their current systems, Frank Kern, Trey etc ARE doing CPA in various ways on the quiet.

    I've also noticed of late that some of the guys are taking their IM courses to the networks, one is currently paying out $55 per sale with a continuity aspect.

    Let's face it, CPA whitehat isn't rocket science, you don't need a guru to teach you how to do any of it, the only vital factor is traffic, and that'#s not IMO "CPA" and plenty of gurus can and do teach you how to do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan_Taylor
    The reason, I believe, is because IM is all about relationships, JV opportunities and list building. Teaching in IM produces a sales force.

    CPA is secretive in nature. Marketers here don't share their sales pages, their PPC keywords, and there's not as much opportunity to JV and less focus on list building.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Sepich
    There are a lot of gurus involved in CPA. But they are higher up the food chain. They are actually promoting their offers through CPA and many are also involved in ownership/joint ventures with the CPA networks themselves.

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    • Profile picture of the author webpromotions
      Originally Posted by George Sepich View Post

      There are a lot of gurus involved in CPA. But they are higher up the food chain.
      George
      Thats the answer right there.

      The 'real' experts are making too much money with this stuff to be concerned with being 'gurus'. While it definitely does happen on occasion, its not very common for people to make more from selling their methods for CPA profits than they can make by doing it themselves.

      The 'im2im' gurus that you hear of and think are 'famous' are primarily making money from selling shovels, or more recently, from selling the materials to actually make the shovels.

      The 'real' experts in CPA are people you've never heard of, and never will. (for good reason)

      I've had many many many conversations with my AM at my favorite CPA network, and trust me, none of their 'real' super-affiliates hang out at the WF, let alone even know what it is.

      The same thing would apply to any money making niche online. The 'real' SEO experts do NOT claim themselves to be SEO gurus and sell seo systems and guides...they use their knowledge to make an absolute fortune...silent and unknown.
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    • Profile picture of the author JunChic
      Originally Posted by George Sepich View Post

      There are a lot of gurus involved in CPA. But they are higher up the food chain. They are actually promoting their offers through CPA and many are also involved in ownership/joint ventures with the CPA networks themselves.
      This I second!

      Once they "mastered" the in-and-out of a CPA network and with a little money they play the middleman.
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    • Profile picture of the author syncjam
      Originally Posted by BlogBrowser View Post

      There is no such a thing as "free help". Whoever says that they share their "secrets" just to help people are full of it. Chances are they're not making as much as they claim. You know what they say: those who can, play - those who can't, teach. And this statement is 100% true.


      Free yes, but along with the help comes affiliate links. I can decide if I really want to click that link or not.

      As a CPA newbie, any help I can get is appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author JunChic
    Two sentences to sum up on the word "free" coaching/report.

    There is no free lunches.
    There will always be agendas (aka affiliate links).

    Having said, I have no problem buying from their affiliate links so long they provide good quality coaching or report and aren't afraid to admit they had embedded those affiliate links.

    Just a little token for their time taken.
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    • Profile picture of the author dmail333
      Originally Posted by ArthurRose View Post

      Who says they aren't? Just because they don't tell you, doesn't meant they don't do it! Don't worry, the "gurus" will start teaching you CPA methods when they stop working for themselves.

      This is so true.. Frank Kern taught a CPA tactic when he launched "Mass Control" So they some are doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author nzdealer
    I can tell you something. You do not need to buy course out there as such. Most of the information is free on the internet all you have to do is such for it. Blogs and forums usually have the best information if you search around.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShabirAli
    Its all about cpc mate, i think everyone can afford 300 - 500$ to make some extra money.its like a business and much people can afford ppc costs. because you are making money from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author sshirdi
    I think, CPA market is not stable and there is no guarantee to get paid. I have tried many CPA programs to earn extra and my account gets banned for nothing. Some CPA program paid me more than $2000 but they were accepting more investment from me to promote their campaigns and i had done same and when i generated $5000 they simply banned me. So, i can't trust CPA market anymore and i am again going with Clickbank.

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  • here's a thought...

    Are the CPA affiliate managers making the same kind of $ as their successfully secretive CPA clients..?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kyle L Hannah
      Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

      Let's say you are a marketer and you can see MULTIPLE SUPER AFFILIATES checks and payout and how they are earning it...Yes I think that Aff. Mgr would be making a nice check to be armed with that info.

      Not only with any campaigns they decide to do themselves but they get a % of all those Super Affiliates as well. Nice.

      That's actually not the case. Most AM's aren't like us in the entrepreneur sense, they are 9-5ers. You'd be quite surprised to learn they are NOT making anywhere near the amount a true super affiliate is, but rather the typical 3-5k/month a normal working person does, and some networks don't pay AM's any type of commissions either.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmail333
    I gotta ad this. Its normal to pay to play, all businesses cost money to run. Most people have to pay... to do something. Most still will not do anything. I was in a biz opp making multi-6 figure income. 13 of us met in Omaha... many of us had tried to help and give away the program and offer FREE HELP, TO DO IT FOR THEM IN MY CASE. I told one of my employees to help them along with me. ALL of these people didn't even do hardly anything and got lost or made ridiculous excuses. And we were chasing them down

    All the other guys had similar stories. I really, really wanted to help these people. All the people did good and made 4 and five figures a month, even less made me feel great. Find some of the guys on the forum who want to give back, and get pleasure form helping you. And DO EXACTLY as they teach you. You don't need a guru, you've got warriors.
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  • Profile picture of the author sajae102
    I guess many people look at the typical CPA guru as nothing more than a regular internet marketer. I don't think they should be classified in their own league.
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  • Profile picture of the author dandimit
    I think thee best way to use CPA networks is to lose a little bit on the front end, then put those buyer leads onto an expensive phone sales floor and grab yourself a small percentage.
    That's what Daniel Pereira and I do with CPA.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zellach
    The hardest thing with ppc marketing is that the whole industry is very unstable. The technical side of it is fairly straightforward--Sign up with affiliate network networks, set up tracking, write ads, create landing pages, and split test the ads/landing pages/offers until you come up with a profitable campaign. Once you find a system that that is profitable you buy more traffic. You can read up on the technical side online, but if a "guru" releases his exact method others would immediately start bidding on his/her keywords and using his ads and landing pages. That would make the campaign unprofitable immediately.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
    I can maybe give you guys a little perspective. I have been doing CPA and other things for a little over 2 years. I do quite well and definitely don't need a day job anymore.

    but to put it in perspective, I didnt even know that WF existed until May of this year, by which point I was already set.

    I earned my dough the hard way. Self taught with a credit card. Never took a course or paid for tools. Eventually things started working and expanding from there.

    But I understand why some will cross over to be a 'guru'
    The fact is that CPA marketing and related is like educated gambling. You need to be on it 24/7 and you win and you lose.

    Right now I am making a transition, hopefully to share the knowledge I have learned and if I can make even close to what I was doing with CPA, by helping others on the path, then I will be content.

    The fact of the matter is that its a dirty job up there in dem' hills diggin up the gold. Better to sell the shovels and the maps and enjoy some fresh air. .
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Double Bingo! Here, here..

    Here's my answer... and although I'm gonna stereotype a little I think it's pretty accurate.

    See, most Guru's are inherently very charismatic people. They have magnetic personalities and are very good salespeople. They like being around and communicating with people. They also usually like attention. Most of them however do not understand internet marketing from a technical standpoint at this level. That's why when a lot of them Gurus endorsed AC I don't think they were trying to or knowingly misleading anyone - they simply aren't involved in CPA and the information probably was new and exciting to them...

    Now, the real players in the CPA game are often the exact opposite. They're often low key, even secretive. They're usually pretty young, very technically inclined and often grew up with a computer in their bedroom. I'm talking about 15-30 year old nerds. These are the real powerhouses in the CPA game. If you see them you'd likely be in complete denial that they make $3k-100k per day. Often times they're completely uninvolved in the "internet marketing" niche and couldn't name one "guru" if you asked them. They just continuously and obsessively test, tweak... and drive insane amounts of traffic to mainstream offers.

    Now, to anyone reading this... there are of course plenty of exceptions so it is a little unfair to stereotype and paint a black and white comparison... but personally, this has definitely been my experience.

    And you know what else? Many won't enter the IM niche b/c it's too targeted in the BizOPP niche and simply not big enough for them. They'll often only enter niches where they can realistically do 5k+/day consistently everyday (for example mainstream bizopp and weight loss)
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    yeah must admit I used to play games for an hour or so years ago but now...I have no time for them at all. They do not interest me anymore....

    It could not be well worded than this. I even happen to have my personal CPA coach in this industry who is only 21. This kid could have been my son, here I am learning from him. He lives, breathes CPA marketing nothing else. Of course they bank in $1000's a day that is a new passion for them. Doesn't any better but to be focused. Now he has a new purpose, a new hobby instead of playing video games in his bedroom. Chances are he will be Millionaire by 30. <><>Excellent Post<><>.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      yeah must admit I used to play games for an hour or so years ago but now...I have no time for them at all. They do not interest me anymore....

      No time or desire for vid games!

      ...though I have been known to jump on couches and jam out some good ol guitar hero on late friday/early saturday hours.
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