I am depress by my cpa flyer offer on fiverr and on the streets

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Hello. I need advice from an experience cpa markerter that has experimented with this before.

I heard that cpa offers that has email submit only has the highest conversion. So I went into my cpa account and decided to choose the iphone5 offer which pays $1.60 per lead.

I went to fiverr and pay someone $5 dollars to make me a flyer.

Here is my flyer http://www.warriorforum.com/attachme...1&d=1351004564

Then I headed back into fiverr and I was looking for someone with a great reviews under advertising, flyers. I purchased his gig and he told me this:

"I would love to see your business booming and get more traffic. However the flyer looks spam. I will do my job tomorrow but to be honest, traffic might be less than you are expecting. I mean we are college students and we know nobody would give an Iphone 5 for free. No offense!
Thanks
Happy to Help!"

So this make me think big time. In a way it is true in the sense of nothing is free, certainly not an expensive iphone. There is always a catch. You have to complete 13 offers to qualify, and then you get the iphone5.
Also I remember someone on warrior forum a few months ago say: "If I see a flyer saying free iphone5 and i see a bunch of them hanging around all of my neighbors door knob, then it must be a scam because everyone is going to get a free iphone5."

So I know offline and onli methods are different, but doesn't the same mentality here applies? If I see this offer online, I am also doubtful if is actually true. I know some internet marketers use iframe or cpaghost to edit the cpa offer sales page and they delete the little fine prints, and also where it says: "participation required" and they do it in a way that they still get credit for the email submit. Is a blackhat method, but it works for them.

Nevertheless, I am curious for those who use a white hat method, like myself, who purchased a domain name for my offer and use a simple 301 redirect with my cpa affiliate link, how I can make this work. What is the trick to converting a email submit offer when so many people are already used to seeing this type of advertising and they dismiss it immediately as a scam. There is something I must be missing that experience cpa marketers are not telling us.

I have 500 flyers that I printed and I am distributing them today. How many conversions I am going to make? I don't know yet. But I am depressed by what the college student above told me and that it might have the same effects when I go door to door and hang this flyers out.

Please guide me in the right direction! I want to make money with cpa and I am suck at seo, ppc, ppv, building a website, everything. That's why I tooked the offline flyer marketing approach to see if this will work for me. But now I am very doubtful!
#cpa #depress #fiverr #flyer #offer #streets
  • Profile picture of the author gillimore
    Maybe try an incentive based site rather than CPA....

    xpango. us for example

    They are more publically recognised and there are legitimate CNN reviews for example.

    I am a Mod at an incentive marketing forum, and I can ensure you that this sort of site is very successful. PM me if you need any more help or advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      That site does not exist xpango.us?

      Are you sure you gave me the correct web address?

      Also what kind of site is that? A cpa site? How does there email submit or other offers look like? Can you give me a link example?

      This sucks, I don't understand how to convert a simple email submit offer through an offline flyer, I was very positive but now after what that colleg guy said to me, I am very sad that this might not work because he said it looks like spam, which sometimes I myself sometimes think the same way, even though I try not to think like that because I am concentrated on making $1.60 per lead, but now I have mix feelings about this project.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    The trick is.... PERSONALIZING YOUR ADVERTISING.

    Say you were promoting to NYU University.... your flyer might say this:

    NYU Students: iPhone 5 Testers wanted....

    We are giving away 500 iPhone 5's to TEST and KEEP.....

    First 500 responses only. Visit www.nyustudentoffer.com to apply now...
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      Hey Cash thanks for the tip. I am going to say that message to the fiverr person I hire yesterday to distribute my flyers and see if that sounds better off for the college students where he attends and I will see what he says. But at the same time, when I read that, it also sounds fake or too good to be true. Test an iphone and keep it for free? There are so many flyers that I've seen like that and so have so many people. Is there anything unique that top cpa marketers are doing to convert email submit offers?

      There has to be something unique on their flyers, or they must be iframing the cpa affiliate link sales page and customizing it to get the customer to submit their email.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greedy
      Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

      The trick is.... PERSONALIZING YOUR ADVERTISING.

      Say you were promoting to NYU University.... your flyer might say this:

      NYU Students: iPhone 5 Testers wanted....

      We are giving away 500 iPhone 5's to TEST and KEEP.....

      First 500 responses only. Visit www.nyustudentoffer.com to apply now...
      There is some good advice for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author immedicine
    i think the offer you chooses for cpa is over saturated. and very hard to believe.
    you should try some offers on which people can believe
    like football niche,beauty niche etc

    and there are lots of cpa offers in the niche i mentioned
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      yeah you might be right. This sucks because I spend 10 dollars on fiverr, 12 dollars on the paper, 7 dollars on rubber bands for a total of 29 dollars. Oh well, lesson learn. Next time I am going to think of a great offer that people will enjoy and be more creative with my flyer. The problem always is that all cpa offers look like spam and scams. I wish they made it look more natural and not so sales pitchy.

      Time to put my thinking cap. I wish there was someone close to me that could work with me on this project.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    You could also use a survey angle.

    "NYU Students Complete Our Campus Survey

    First 500 Students will get a chance to win a FREE iPhone5

    Enter today www.nyucampussurvey.com"




    Then make a landing page that no matter what they answer, they get a chance to "win the iPod"
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      I chatted with someone right from within my cpa account and ask him many questions.

      He said offline marketing is not allow. I told him that there were people on wf who have used flyers to direct people to the cpa offer and they made alot of money and conversions like this, and he said that this is not true, that they were lying!

      Wow! I don't know who is right here.

      Also I ask him what is the difference between online and offline since both ways the customer is being redirected to the cpa affiliate link, he said that with online methods, they can tell if you are being misleading. With offline, they can not tell because they can't see your flyer.

      So then I told him if I can submit my flyer to him for approval before distributing them, and he said that I can easily change the flyer. I told him why would I do that for? I don't want to get my cpa account suspended or do anything against their policy. He gave me my AM email and I emailed him for permission but I might end up getting the same response.

      Man this sucks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ampli
    oh I feel like this is my same story I wasted a lot in buying those stupid fiverr gigs I didn't got even a single conversion and then finally never went back to fiverr. I think the method is just over saturated.
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      Yes I could think outside the box and come up with a neat flyer, but at the end when they see the cpa offer, scam alert is all over the screen.

      Plus now my cpa company says that offline marketing is not allow yet so i read so many reviews in here from warriors who have made alot of money promoting cpa offers through flyers. When I told this to the cpa manager he said they were lying. So I guess that all those warriors claims are all false.

      Who knows???

      I think I am going to learn how to rank a youtube video for a keyword related to my cpa offer, and then put my link on the description box
      I tried this before but my videos never rank and I followed all of the pdf's instructions.

      I don't get it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cash37
        Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

        Yes I could think outside the box and come up with a neat flyer, but at the end when they see the cpa offer, scam alert is all over the screen.

        Plus now my cpa company says that offline marketing is not allow yet so i read so many reviews in here from warriors who have made alot of money promoting cpa offers through flyers. When I told this to the cpa manager he said they were lying. So I guess that all those warriors claims are all false.

        Who knows???

        I think I am going to learn how to rank a youtube video for a keyword related to my cpa offer, and then put my link on the description box
        I tried this before but my videos never rank and I followed all of the pdf's instructions.

        I don't get it.
        Email submit advertisers wont want the traffic because it will rarely back out... the people are coming online for 1 thing and that is to claim that ipod. They arent trying to do offers.

        Now if you are doing the same for clickbank offers... they are coming online to buy and as a vendor myself I will say we dont mind (anyone feel free to PM me if you want to work together, Ill even provide you offline marketing templates)
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  • Profile picture of the author Ampli
    hey I want to know do that email submit offer convert on submitting the email on the first page because I get clicks on the offer but no conversion i don't know why but it should convert if it just requires a email submit.
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      Yes I wonder that too. I check my awebstats on my cpanel and I am getting visitors to my site but no conversions and I am using a simple 301 redirect to my cpa affiliate link offer.

      I don't get it.
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      • Profile picture of the author JBagnas
        Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

        Yes I wonder that too. I check my awebstats on my cpanel and I am getting visitors to my site but no conversions and I am using a simple 301 redirect to my cpa affiliate link offer.

        I don't get it.
        Hey Ray, sorry to go a bit off topic here, but whatever happened to your flyers that promoted clickbank products, if I remember correctly you said you made 16 sales from 100 flyers. I was wondering if you still did that or did you fully convert to doing cpa offers?
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        • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
          I was trying something new with cpa offers but so far is not working
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          • Profile picture of the author JBagnas
            Originally Posted by raywarrior1978 View Post

            I was trying something new with cpa offers but so far is not working
            I just looked at your flyer. Are you printing all your flyers in color? I would imagine the cost would be very high esp if you were using a home printer?

            And I'm sorry to hear that the cpa offers aren't working so well?
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            • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
              No the cost is cheap. I print them out at work which is free. Is black and white but I am printing it on a yellow bright paper. My only cost is the paper which comes out to 12 dollars for 500 pages
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              • Profile picture of the author DanielMob
                I do agree that this field is quite saturated, yet there is a way to CRACK it.
                Let me know your audience / traffic - and we'll optimize your results.
                I really loved the tips sent out by Cash37 - mate, I believe I have several words for you, please PM me or add me on Skype: daniel.roudstein

                In affiliate marketing it's all about optimization - promote the offer, always analyze it and improve your activity.

                Ray - feel free to contact me as well and let's discuss further privately.
                Daniel.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizoppmaster
    Listen, I really like the flyer design - looks pro! But with offline, it's all about volume. Only pay people who distribute the flyers AFTER you start seeing leads come in so you know they actually did it!
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  • Profile picture of the author dking1
    Has anyone seen this video on youtube claiming to be able to get great conversion for CPA offers - The video site is
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-2f_OIL_w
    I followed the gig from fiverr. What do you guys think
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    • Profile picture of the author raywarrior1978
      wow I just watched the video. It sounds to good to be true. Be careful, it might be the actual affiliate managers trying to see who is cheating and getting payed clicks. You never know...?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jerome Y
    No one can tell you for sure how many conversions you will make, but if I were you, I would be happy just to make back my investment on fiverr.

    You have to realise that most people know that these are some sort of scams/tricks when you say you are giving something away for free. Having said that, there will definitely be people who may not know or just curious that will go ahead and click on the link and opt in anyway.

    Just go ahead and see how it goes, don't put yourself down before even doing anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rahmulus
    So what was the end result on your offline campaign?
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  • Profile picture of the author 100k
    Wait, you are disappointed in the $5 design you got?

    That's like paying for a $10 hooker and being surprised when you find out you've caught an STD.

    I can not take you seriously.
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    • Profile picture of the author vj3660
      Originally Posted by 100k View Post

      Wait, you are disappointed in the $5 design you got?

      That's like paying for a $10 hooker and being surprised when you find out you've caught an STD.

      I can not take you seriously.
      Thats a good one
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  • Profile picture of the author Isquare
    Hi there, i admire your desire and determination and i would advise you to continue that way. Its the greatest secret to making it in life. That is why it hurts me to tell you this thing about email submits. I have worked extensively with them, done all that and made lots of money with them but with all my years of experience with email submit marketing i have come to accept the fact that it is not a good niche to be in. Why? Its simple... you will get scrubbed or shaved or worst banned. Email marketers and affiliate managers never trust email submit traffic so they will allow it to go on for sometime just to observe and then you will be banned hard. Its just not worth the risk. Try the same thing you are doing with another niche and you may do better.I used to do ppc with them but still got shaved hard, i even got banned by one popular network and it was all whitehat(ppc). good luck!
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