Are you banking with mobile+CPA?

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I am curious to know how many people are making good money with CPA offers on mobile. I've been reading a lot, and it seems those that are making a good amount are having to put up large amounts of money to negotiate with the traffic sources in order to get the cheap clicks required to be successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author RemyMartin
    People are making money I'm sure, but few are banking hard. Right now I have one campaign profitable @ $.01 per click, on my first deposit.

    Mobile is tricky, but If you put some real thought into the offer and what you're targeting, you don't necessarily need to spend a lot of money to get some data to work with.
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  • Profile picture of the author QtoBrooklyn
    What's a good mobile ad network to start with? Preferably good US/UK traffic. I've heard that buzzcity is good for Asia..
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnmobile
      I am curious to know how many people are making good money with CPA offers on mobile. I've been reading a lot, and it seems those that are making a good amount are having to put up large amounts of money to negotiate with the traffic sources in order to get the cheap clicks required to be successful.
      I'm doing great with Mobile Marketing for over 2.5 years now... Averaging between $700-$900 a day, and I can tell you that:
      1. Mobile Marketing is far better than internet marketing... There are so many great stuff you can do with mobile, but can not do with internet (mobile has unique features like GPS and location based, push and so on), and there is nothing you can do on the internet that you can not do on mobile... So just focus!
      2. If done correctly, just like any other method, mobile can generate a lot of money for you... And no, you do not need to spend a lot of money to make nickels... I have campaigns running with average of 300%-500% ROI and running stable for more then some months... Its just about optimizing correctly, and getting a good CTR.
      3. I read a lot of comments here, about specific ad networks, or methods and so on... I reply to some of those, but no all... Basically, the problem I see is that people are trying to market all over the place... and doing just the same thing everyone else is doing... Try to be more focused and specialize in something/some region, and also BE UNIQUE !
      4. Set yourself a limited budget, and don't just buy any tracking tool you find(until now, I rarely work with tracking tools, the old good excel analysis). You'll find out that you spend $130 a month on a tracking tool that sends you back things that you can not even optimize (say working with Buzzcity, and getting back regions information that you can not optimize), so at least to start with, don't just throw away money ! Be smart about where you invest your $$$.
      5. And the last thing would be... Start DOING ! but keep tracking (Yes, tracking is SUPER important, but I just don't think you need tracking tool to start with), and optimizing... Most important -WORK BASED ON STATISTICS, RATHAR THEN EMOTIONS! if something doesn't work, move forward to the next thing... One profitble campaign will make it for 10 not profitble ones and will make you a lot of profits, IF DONE CORRECTLY!

      Originally Posted by QtoBrooklyn View Post

      What's a good mobile ad network to start with? Preferably good US/UK traffic. I've heard that buzzcity is good for Asia..

      as for this, Buzzcity is great for many countries... they serve great ads in Asia, yes, but they also serve good traffic in Europe, LATAM and South Africa... YET, you need to know how to work with Buzzcity... it is much cheaper then other networks (as low as $0.01 per click for a good amount of traffic), but it has its problems... so need to know how to work with, if you do, Buzccity is a great platform to start with !
      I would also recommend Airpush, leadbolt or tapit as all are pretty friendly platforms (yet more advanced, and the bids are a little bit higher)

      I hope it helped you... I'm currently coaching 4 friends of mine and thinking of opening a SMALL live coaching group, but not sure about it yet (if I decide to do so, I really want to give all the time it takes to the few people I'll be helping...), if you think you'll be interested, PM me and I'll get back to you if I decide to open it...
      In any case, Just start doing and feel free to PM with questions...

      Best,
      John.
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      • Profile picture of the author QtoBrooklyn
        Originally Posted by Johnmobile View Post

        as for this, Buzzcity is great for many countries... they serve great ads in Asia, yes, but they also serve good traffic in Europe, LATAM and South Africa... YET, you need to know how to work with Buzzcity... it is much cheaper then other networks (as low as $0.01 per click for a good amount of traffic), but it has its problems... so need to know how to work with, if you do, Buzccity is a great platform to start with !
        I would also recommend Airpush, leadbolt or tapit as all are pretty friendly platforms (yet more advanced, and the bids are a little bit higher)

        I hope it helped you... I'm currently coaching 4 friends of mine and thinking of opening a SMALL live coaching group, but not sure about it yet (if I decide to do so, I really want to give all the time it takes to the few people I'll be helping...), if you think you'll be interested, PM me and I'll get back to you if I decide to open it...
        In any case, Just start doing and feel free to PM with questions...

        Best,
        John.

        Hey, thanks! Personally I don't need coaching since i enjoying digging everything on my own, but you sound like you know your stuff, so I'm sure many people here will be interested!

        One last question: Who else has good South African traffic? From what i've read the mobile market in South Africa is really strong. Any other networks besides Buzzcity you could recommend for SA traffic?
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        • Profile picture of the author Johnmobile
          Originally Posted by QtoBrooklyn View Post

          Hey, thanks! Personally I don't need coaching since i enjoying digging everything on my own, but you sound like you know your stuff, so I'm sure many people here will be interested!

          One last question: Who else has good South African traffic? From what i've read the mobile market in South Africa is really strong. Any other networks besides Buzzcity you could recommend for SA traffic?
          There are some... but basically, I like to start with ad networks that are located in the country (it seems to me like it is easier for them to sign up publishers...) and digging around for others...
          There are thousands of networks out there, just need to try them
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        • Profile picture of the author gasura
          Originally Posted by QtoBrooklyn View Post

          One last question: Who else has good South African traffic? From what i've read the mobile market in South Africa is really strong. Any other networks besides Buzzcity you could recommend for SA traffic?
          Strong yes, but be careful. Go take a good look at their campaign planner - only 29% of them are smartphone users, 0.38% tablets, and 70% goes to feature phones.

          You may argue that 29% is still a lot out of the 20m reach you are getting, but how many per cent of the 29% are android and ios? Only 0.39% out of 20m are apple users, and a big part of them are on Symbian, not Android.

          To many of us these are alien stats. Different OS, different device, different screen size, different demographics, different timezone, and certainly different offers. All these you have to find out, if not you will burn out your budget in no time.

          Is Buzzcity traffic crap? No. It's just that a big chunk of its traffic is old school traffic, and it's hard to find a lot of good quality old school offer these days.

          Will app install work? Yes it will, but it's not going to be 20m reach like you think. It's not even going to be 29% of that 20m.

          Buzzcity good for newbie? Yeah right. Nothing is easy for newbies, I'm still slogging. It only gets easier after you have put in a lot of hard work. If you keep having the mentality to find 'easy money' in this, you won't go far.

          Airpush, Inmobi etc convert 'easier' than Buzzcity, as in they are more mobile app friendly and more modern-cpa-offers-friendly.
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      • Profile picture of the author KINDLUTION
        Originally Posted by Johnmobile View Post

        I'm doing great with Mobile Marketing for over 2.5 years now... Averaging between $700-$900 a day, and I can tell you that:
        1. Mobile Marketing is far better than internet marketing... There are so many great stuff you can do with mobile, but can not do with internet (mobile has unique features like GPS and location based, push and so on), and there is nothing you can do on the internet that you can not do on mobile... So just focus!
        2. If done correctly, just like any other method, mobile can generate a lot of money for you... And no, you do not need to spend a lot of money to make nickels... I have campaigns running with average of 300%-500% ROI and running stable for more then some months... Its just about optimizing correctly, and getting a good CTR.
        3. I read a lot of comments here, about specific ad networks, or methods and so on... I reply to some of those, but no all... Basically, the problem I see is that people are trying to market all over the place... and doing just the same thing everyone else is doing... Try to be more focused and specialize in something/some region, and also BE UNIQUE !
        4. Set yourself a limited budget, and don't just buy any tracking tool you find(until now, I rarely work with tracking tools, the old good excel analysis). You'll find out that you spend $130 a month on a tracking tool that sends you back things that you can not even optimize (say working with Buzzcity, and getting back regions information that you can not optimize), so at least to start with, don't just throw away money ! Be smart about where you invest your $$$.
        5. And the last thing would be... Start DOING ! but keep tracking (Yes, tracking is SUPER important, but I just don't think you need tracking tool to start with), and optimizing... Most important -WORK BASED ON STATISTICS, RATHAR THEN EMOTIONS! if something doesn't work, move forward to the next thing... One profitble campaign will make it for 10 not profitble ones and will make you a lot of profits, IF DONE CORRECTLY!


        as for this, Buzzcity is great for many countries... they serve great ads in Asia, yes, but they also serve good traffic in Europe, LATAM and South Africa... YET, you need to know how to work with Buzzcity... it is much cheaper then other networks (as low as $0.01 per click for a good amount of traffic), but it has its problems... so need to know how to work with, if you do, Buzccity is a great platform to start with !
        I would also recommend Airpush, leadbolt or tapit as all are pretty friendly platforms (yet more advanced, and the bids are a little bit higher)

        I hope it helped you... I'm currently coaching 4 friends of mine and thinking of opening a SMALL live coaching group, but not sure about it yet (if I decide to do so, I really want to give all the time it takes to the few people I'll be helping...), if you think you'll be interested, PM me and I'll get back to you if I decide to open it...
        In any case, Just start doing and feel free to PM with questions...

        Best,
        John.

        Thanks for the response. I shot you a PM. What kind of problems does Buzzcity have?

        Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author alrikvincent
    Buzzcity is battling with click fraud - people clicking on their own ads. I would stay away from Buzzcity. The traffic quality is so poor. I tried it myself. I burnt my $25 deposit testing different offers which got a lot of clicks cheap but had no conversions. I started a thread about it here http://www.warriorforum.com/ad-netwo...city-help.html
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    • Profile picture of the author hari12345
      I thought i was the only one to lose money on buzzcity ;P I've heard that buzzcity has pretty good asian traffic so I looked for some good asian mobile offer and I promoted it and I got $0.35 out of $15 what I've spent. May be they are having poor traffic or I should have done something wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnmobile
      Originally Posted by alrikvincent View Post

      Buzzcity is battling with click fraud - people clicking on their own ads. I would stay away from Buzzcity. The traffic quality is so poor. I tried it myself. I burnt my $25 deposit testing different offers which got a lot of clicks cheap but had no conversions. I started a thread about it here http://www.warriorforum.com/ad-netwo...city-help.html
      Sorry, but I disagree....
      Buzzcity has it own problems, but you can get a very cheap traffic....
      if you know how to work properly (read your previous post, and I'm sorry, but that is just not the proper way of working... PM me if you want me to give you some tips )...

      Thanks for the response. I shot you a PM. What kind of problems does Buzzcity have?
      Thanks
      Well, basically, once you've optimized, it is hard to get there a stable traffic (possible, but hard), you might get X amount of exposure one day and Y (totally different) on the other.... and also, it is harder to optimize then other networks because you have limited options there...

      and yet, Buzzcity is great to start with
      *** Don't get me wrong, it is defiantly not the best one... I'm working with 6 others... but I still make my first test on Buzzcity and still have profitable campaigns there...
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    • Profile picture of the author mrrightme
      Originally Posted by alrikvincent View Post

      Buzzcity is battling with click fraud - people clicking on their own ads. I would stay away from Buzzcity. The traffic quality is so poor. I tried it myself. I burnt my $25 deposit testing different offers which got a lot of clicks cheap but had no conversions. I started a thread about it here http://www.warriorforum.com/ad-netwo...city-help.html
      I agree with you, buzzcity is ......

      In fact,
      What is cheap is not good,what is good is not cheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    The key is test & optimize.

    Most never get past the first step.

    They think they can setup one campaign with one ad and be done. When that fails, they come here and raise a stink. Create one campaign with 10 ads and 5 landing pages. Then rotate through every combination. Then examine your data and optimize from there. I bet there's one other guy in this thread that has actually done that or more! (Hint the guy with the post above this one).

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    • Profile picture of the author johnnydio
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      The key is test & optimize.

      Most never get past the first step.

      They think they can setup one campaign with one ad and be done. When that fails, they come here and raise a stink. Create one campaign with 10 ads and 5 landing pages. Then rotate through every combination. Then examine your data and optimize from there. I bet there's one other guy in this thread that has actually done that or more! (Hint the guy with the post above this one).

      I agree with PPC-Coach, many newbies give up easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author dropout
    There are opportunities beyond the usual mobile CPA suspects though. In lead generation for more serious products like financial services, there are now players that provide you with forms for mobile devices, yet still pay the same as for a regular long-form lead. Of course you can't promote them with something like Buzzcity as the traffic quality is not good enough, but fortunately the payouts are so big that you can easily be profitable with AdWords/BingAds.
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  • Profile picture of the author HenryLatourrette
    I've started a campagin with airpush.. setting 0.05 as my max bid.. is that ok or I bid too high?
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    • Profile picture of the author ankee1991
      Originally Posted by HenryLatourrette View Post

      I've started a campagin with airpush.. setting 0.05 as my max bid.. is that ok or I bid too high?
      CPC prices are different in most countries so if you can tell us which country you're targeting we might be able to help. You can also ask your rep at airpush what's the competitive CPC for the country. Lastly you can just start running your campaign and see how much volume you get with $0.05, you can always adjust it accordingly.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedMB
    ok all networks will have some type of click fraud its not the fact that buzzcity's traffic doesn't convert..

    I actually ran my first campaign ever with buzzcity and made conversions Direct Linking..

    its the fact that when you do finally find legit publishers after you do make a conversion from them you cannot optimize target them ONLY! Most mobile ad networks do not allow you to target specific publishers/apps buzz city does but you have to have daily spend of $50 dollars a day thats crazy..

    this sucks bad because there is alot of crap traffic out there on most networks even if you target by carrier and device i you will still get a sh*t load of bad traffic from bad publishers!

    like when i ran my campaign on buzzcity in only 5 clicks ($0.25 cents) from this one publisher i was able to get a conversion of ($2.50) even in low volumes imagine if i could target this publisher and stay at the same conversion rate..

    Im currently not even going to run a campaign until i can find a reputable ad-network that will allow me to target Publisher Carrier & Device like without being able to target these three variables i dont see how people are even being profitable especially on a site like buzzcity which has so much bad traffic..
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    • Profile picture of the author ankee1991
      Originally Posted by RedMB View Post

      Im currently not even going to run a campaign until i can find a reputable ad-network that will allow me to target Publisher Carrier & Device like without being able to target these three variables i dont see how people are even being profitable especially on a site like buzzcity which has so much bad traffic..
      Same thing happened to me when I first started. Found a great traffic source with huge volume, cheap prices, and every targeting feature EXCEPT cutting non converting publishers. That was the only optimization I needed to make to turn my campaigns profitable. I learned my lesson, then went out and found a few traffic sources that had the ability to do it. Takes time and effort but you only need to find 2-3 good sources to start making money.

      Just wanted to give my opinion about your maximum weekly budget. $100 a week isn't bad if you want to do some tests and get some experience but it isn't going to cut it when you find yourself with a profitable campaign and no funds to scale up. It sounds like you have a bit of experience, I would step away and come back when you have at least 1k. Then you're able to build a campaign and if it becomes profitable the ability to scale quickly.
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      • Profile picture of the author RedMB
        Originally Posted by ankee1991 View Post

        Same thing happened to me when I first started. Found a great traffic source with huge volume, cheap prices, and every targeting feature EXCEPT cutting non converting publishers. That was the only optimization I needed to make to turn my campaigns profitable. I learned my lesson, then went out and found a few traffic sources that had the ability to do it. Takes time and effort but you only need to find 2-3 good sources to start making money.

        Just wanted to give my opinion about your maximum weekly budget. $100 a week isn't bad if you want to do some tests and get some experience but it isn't going to cut it when you find yourself with a profitable campaign and no funds to scale up. It sounds like you have a bit of experience, I would step away and come back when you have at least 1k. Then you're able to build a campaign and if it becomes profitable the ability to scale quickly.
        this i realized my budget is not going to work so i started saving up all ready have a couple of hundred saved and if i have to i could take like 50% or more of one of my checks a month so thats close to $700 all ready

        i really only ran one campaign recently (that buzzcity one) but i have been reading about mobile marketing faithfully for like 2 years now like im in love with it thats why I know so much lol but im going to shoot you a pm!
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  • Profile picture of the author surreal
    Its all about trial and error. There is a ton more potential if all networks had the proper targeting features.. But mobile is not very mature yet, many dont.
    Luckily, this is often made up by cheap traffic costs.

    (Click for full blog post, giving away a campaign here..)


    This was a no-effort test from Admoda. We sent 62 conversions yesterday with minimal scaling and was still at least break even with no optimization required. The networks targeting still pretty much sucks, but there is a lot of ways to do this indirectly (e.g. block zoneids)
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    • Profile picture of the author RedMB
      yeah i know man but for someone thats just starting out like me with maybe $100/weekly budget its kinda hard to go through alot of trial and error like my buzzcity campaign if i could of targeted only those publishers that converted for me i definitely would of been able to show a profit..

      alot of networks i think just want an advertiser to be pushing alot of volume before they enable the option which is stupid if you ask me because if they where to enable this option in the first place alot of people would probably be able to turn over a profit more often thus spending more money with the network

      in traditional media buying (desktop) it all comes down to the publisher and in mobile i dont think its any different we need to be able to target publishers

      The PCD rule stands for Publisher Carrier and Device. That is the order of parameters we look at when we are optimizing [mobile campaigns]. Our experience shows that, when available, the ability to exclude and include publishers is the most critical for the offer, since this segments the audience the best. - Jonathan Bartov , Matomy

      Publisher, Carrier, Device

      Mobile Media Buying: Targeting and Optimizing - YouTube
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      • Profile picture of the author surreal
        $100 weekly is a sufficient budget to get into in my opinion. It wont allow you a lot of options, but its certainly enough to get your feet wet with and learn the ropes.

        Admoda's minimum deposit is about $160 USD. They dont have a high volume, but their traffic is pretty good and pricing is low enough to stretch this pretty well. As you can see, I was paying 1.7 cents a click for most of the traffic on average.. Some of it I took advantage at half a cent as the top bidder and making a good return. Dont forget, Ill get this money right back and can keep going til hopefully it grows.

        Budget specifically is relative to your offer, and traffic source for sure. Lower comp places like Admoda may not bank you tons each day, but because of this allow you to get 'more for your moneys' worth with lower traffic prices while maintaining good quality. This isnt always the rule everywhere of course - but with Admoda I believe it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maji
    good mobile info
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruck
    People are making money I'm sure, but few are banking hard. Right now I have one campaign profitable @ $.01 per click, on my first deposit.

    Mobile is tricky, but If you put some real thought into the offer and what you're targeting, you don't necessarily need to spend a lot of money to get some data to work with.
    ^^^And this is exactly why a lot of people fail or make a ton of mistakes when they are starting out...because they take advice from someone who don't know what they are talking about.

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  • Profile picture of the author KINDLUTION
    Mobile and cpa is super expensive to test out effectively. However, mobile plus other techniques can give you a better ROI.
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