What's in your way of making 1M profit per year from just CPA?

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Hey Guys, The question may sound weird, but this hopefully should help all of us no matter what level you're on.

So, I've found that one of the best ways to do something hard is to find out all of the reasons that it can't be done, then come up with solutions for them and voila you have a roadmap.

I'm trying to get a view of all of the obstacles in this business and with my current perspective, I can't see them all from here.

I've asked a couple of folks who are doing well in CPA this question:

What's in your way of making 1M profit per year from just CPA?

And They've given me answers like:

Because Advertisers don't pay (too much risk)
Because the FTC will sue you
Because that's too many campaigns to manage

etc.

Can you guys expand on this list?

What's in your way of making 1M profit per year from just CPA?

PS. if you're already making 1M/year profit from CPA, just post any significant obstacles you encountered along the way, you don't have to tell us you are making it if you don't want to.
#cpa #making #profit #year
  • Profile picture of the author johnbrown12
    It's all about list building my friend,if you have a big list in your particular niche then definitely you can.hope that helps...
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    • Profile picture of the author TopTarget
      Originally Posted by johnbrown12 View Post

      It's all about list building my friend,if you have a big list in your particular niche then definitely you can.hope that helps...
      nice...i didn't know you were a professor at AU.

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        Originally Posted by TopTarget View Post

        nice...i didn't know you were a professor at AU.

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        LOL. so, is this johnbrown guy getting called out?
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        • Profile picture of the author DaveWarrior
          Originally Posted by s1d View Post

          LOL. so, is this johnbrown guy getting called out?
          Very interesting he is a professor on the side yet a list builder as well!
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        • Profile picture of the author TopTarget
          Originally Posted by s1d View Post

          LOL. so, is this johnbrown guy getting called out?
          i wasn't trying to call him out. i was just commending his ability to be an affiliate marketer as well as a distinguished professor at American University while living in Canada.
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          • Profile picture of the author bigbenre
            Originally Posted by TopTarget View Post

            i wasn't trying to call him out. i was just commending his ability to be an affiliate marketer as well as a distinguished professor at American University while living in Canada.
            I also feel it is highly unlikely he is professor Palmer. Beyond the geographical differences as you have mentioned, there are always tons of grammatical errors in his posts. Such a distinguished professor should sound like English is his native language. If for some reason i am wrong, and he is in fact Professor Palmer I apologize in advance.

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    • Profile picture of the author sonixkid3000
      Originally Posted by johnbrown12 View Post

      It's all about list building my friend,if you have a big list in your particular niche then definitely you can.hope that helps...
      You comment on every post and say "build a list" - Props to your dedication sir! ;D
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      • Profile picture of the author 100k
        Originally Posted by sonixkid3000 View Post

        You comment on every post and say "build a list" - Props to your dedication sir! ;D
        I hate people that say list building is the only way to make money. That's bull crap. People like that are just regurgitating what others have told them. Like how people say "go to college, get a good job" thats how you get rich. Foh with that bs.
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        • Profile picture of the author johnbrown12
          Originally Posted by 100k View Post

          I hate people that say list building is the only way to make money. That's bull crap. People like that are just regurgitating what others have told them. Like how people say "go to college, get a good job" thats how you get rich. Foh with that bs.
          I'm not sure,if you are new in IM but if you ask to guru who are making 6k or 7k,they are are making through list building and the fact that if you have a list you can offer many other offers to your list rather than just one time offer and make more money for example Mr. A does not like your first referral product and even he does not convinced with your second offer but might be he likes your third offer...make sense...hope that helps...
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        • Profile picture of the author im1217
          No one said anything about college making you "rich". This discussion of college or no college has been had a 1000 times and "go to college" always wins. I never saw a solid college degree get slapped by Google. Rich in what? $$$ How about being "rich" in the college experience?


          Originally Posted by 100k View Post

          I hate people that say list building is the only way to make money. That's bull crap. People like that are just regurgitating what others have told them. Like how people say "go to college, get a good job" thats how you get rich. Foh with that bs.
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          • Profile picture of the author 100k
            Originally Posted by im1217 View Post

            No one said anything about college making you "rich". This discussion of college or no college has been had a 1000 times and "go to college" always wins. I never saw a solid college degree get slapped by Google. Rich in what? $$$ How about being "rich" in the college experience?
            You missed my point. I meant there are people that regurgitate "build a list" or "the money is in the list" to every IM / how to make money online related questions as if that is the only way to make money online and those people can be compared to another group of people that think college it the only way you can become "successful" or "rich" in life and they keep regurgitating that crap to everyone even if they are $150k into debt and working 2 two jobs that are not even related to the subject(s) they studied in college just so they can pay of the interests of the student loans.

            MY POINT IS.... THE MONEY IS NOT JUST IN THE LIST...... and I hate noobs that keep saying it is. There are millionaire CPA marketers that use PPV or SEO that have never built a single list in their lives, but sheeps keep on saying "build a list" / "the money is in the list" FOH with that BS.
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      • Profile picture of the author johnbrown12
        Originally Posted by sonixkid3000 View Post

        You comment on every post and say "build a list" - Props to your dedication sir! ;D
        I always teach my students to start list building because this is the core of IM business
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Honestly, those sound like excuses. I personally think it's motivation, time and patience for the most part.

    It's obviously not going to happen over night, but if someone is motivated enough and has the time to put in, they will eventually reach their goals. IMO at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Evolved
    You can convert CPA offers with different marketing tactics. I know my current tactics/methods it would be a scaling issue. I could definitely scale higher, but I wouldn't have enough time in 1 day to keep up with all the campaigns. Could I outsource...most likely, but I also run the risk of my ad account I feel.

    I think this comes down to the method you are using to convert your CPA offers...some methods are a lot easier to scale once you find a winning campaign. Or list building like someone else said...this just comes down to ROI.
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  • Profile picture of the author thelawlessone
    There are just obstacles that can be overcome. The only one that annoys me is the occasional link penalty from Google. That can not stop me though.
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  • Profile picture of the author segman
    Nothing.

    The list building approach will allow you to make money but not big money.
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    • Profile picture of the author skyzero
      Originally Posted by segman View Post

      Nothing.

      The list building approach will allow you to make money but not big money.
      Segman, what's your opinion on good ways to "big money" (I'm assuming big money is more than 1m)?

      Own the offer?
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        skyzero

        You nailed it first try. Congrats
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        • Profile picture of the author skyzero
          Originally Posted by segman View Post

          skyzero

          You nailed it first try. Congrats
          Segman, Thanks.

          Affiliate -> Replace Offer?

          Then which: CPA and/or Market Yourself?
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    The only thing that stops you from making millions is YOU. You must believe in yourself and the work hard and with patience.
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    Experience, Knowledge/Skills and cash money that you can afford to lose.
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  • Profile picture of the author diizzle
    In terms of being an affiliate, the big money is in paid traffic, however, to make the big money you DO need a good sizeable amount of money to be able to spend per day, I'm talking thousands

    especially if you want to be making a million per year
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  • Profile picture of the author theman22
    The only really big money guys i know have ever made was using a unique method and blowing it up. Its the real way to make big money while keeping your profits worthwhile
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    The list:

    Because Advertisers don't pay (too much risk)
    Because the FTC will sue you
    Because that's too many campaigns to manage

    Just sounds like hogwash.

    Advertisers won't pay...again, this is a risk virtually every business has. Mitigate the risk by spreading your income from multiple sources/advertisers/traffic/etc, building up volume with a specific advertiser over time so you can test them and they can test you, and just doing the same things any other business bringing in 1m would be doing

    If the FTC will sue you, then you're probably doing something too sketchy that you shouldn't be doing. At the end of the day, you're in business and by virtue of that, you can always be sued. Welcome to running a business.

    Hire somebody, use software, or just focus on your biggest campaigns like most people do.


    The biggest obstacle to hitting big numbers is generally
    1) mindset and mentality (the biggest obstacle by far)
    2) technical expertise
    3) capital investment (at first...many people buy cars and stupid stuff instead of investing back into campaign)

    my two cents
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    • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
      I'd have to say search engine optimization, list building, posting in forums, getting on every social network and placing popunders every chance that you get.

      However, it hasn't worked for me... I have gotten millions of hits from good SEO and backlink building though. Perhaps creating your own CPA ad and getting others to promote it for you would be an avenue worth pursuing?
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    • Profile picture of the author digitalceo95
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      The list:

      Because Advertisers don't pay (too much risk)
      Because the FTC will sue you
      Because that's too many campaigns to manage

      Just sounds like hogwash.

      Advertisers won't pay...again, this is a risk virtually every business has. Mitigate the risk by spreading your income from multiple sources/advertisers/traffic/etc, building up volume with a specific advertiser over time so you can test them and they can test you, and just doing the same things any other business bringing in 1m would be doing

      If the FTC will sue you, then you're probably doing something too sketchy that you shouldn't be doing. At the end of the day, you're in business and by virtue of that, you can always be sued. Welcome to running a business.

      Hire somebody, use software, or just focus on your biggest campaigns like most people do.


      The biggest obstacle to hitting big numbers is generally
      1) mindset and mentality (the biggest obstacle by far)
      2) technical expertise
      3) capital investment (at first...many people buy cars and stupid stuff instead of investing back into campaign)

      my two cents
      Im on my cell so i couldn't see the avatar. So after I read this fantastic post i scrolled up and saw (not surprised) it was Kenster! Great advice man!
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    • Profile picture of the author skyzero
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      The list:

      Because Advertisers don't pay (too much risk)
      Because the FTC will sue you
      Because that's too many campaigns to manage

      Just sounds like hogwash.

      Advertisers won't pay...again, this is a risk virtually every business has. Mitigate the risk by spreading your income from multiple sources/advertisers/traffic/etc, building up volume with a specific advertiser over time so you can test them and they can test you, and just doing the same things any other business bringing in 1m would be doing

      If the FTC will sue you, then you're probably doing something too sketchy that you shouldn't be doing. At the end of the day, you're in business and by virtue of that, you can always be sued. Welcome to running a business.

      Hire somebody, use software, or just focus on your biggest campaigns like most people do.


      The biggest obstacle to hitting big numbers is generally
      1) mindset and mentality (the biggest obstacle by far)
      2) technical expertise
      3) capital investment (at first...many people buy cars and stupid stuff instead of investing back into campaign)

      my two cents
      Kenster, thanks for this post.

      The piece that took me a second to get is "hire somebody, use software or just focus on your biggest campaigns". There's a lot more depth behind that statement than is originally evident.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    1 million a year is barely scraping the surface.

    There not obstacles, just excuses lol But it is true.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Biggest obstacle is yourself.

    The grey matter between your ears is your biggest enemy.

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  • Profile picture of the author ankee1991
    Originally Posted by skyzero View Post

    Because Advertisers don't pay (too much risk)
    Because the FTC will sue you
    Because that's too many campaigns to manage
    Lol these are the worst excuses I've heard, hard to believe anyone has actually thought this let alone said it.

    1) Advertisers won't pay you? Stop working with shady networks, there simple.

    2) Maybe stop doing things illegally? There are plenty of 7 figure a year marketers doing everything whitehat and legal...they pay taxes.

    3) GTFO right now if you think managing a bunch of campaigns is too much work, seriously. Anyone that has ever thought this has never had a profitable campaign, and if you're that lazy and somehow still successful you can always outsource campaign management.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevMason
    Ok here goes......

    To make 1M profit per Year doing CPA is doable for sure, now here is the main obstacles I find.

    1- Offers come and go way to much in Industries (especially Weight Loss,Skincare & Dating)

    2- Payment becomes an issue at times, because Networks start scrubbing you based on different metrics more on that in another post.

    3- Budget, do you have enough of a marketing budget to get that BIG traffic. I'm talking can you go to a network today with 20-100K and buy traffic, and if possible spend that on a daily basis?

    4- What is you Morals like- are you willing to run Advertorials or Flogs, or kill an offer in a "grey area" until the FTC write you?

    5- Do you Cloak- If NOT why, most people doing it BIG in CPA are sooo?....

    6- What Networks are you buying traffic from, I have met so many people in CPA on a big scale and they work with the normal big names (Google, Bing, FaceBook, AOL, Large Media Buys)

    7- Scalability, can you scale offer to other GEO, Networks, Traffic Types, Devices etc

    8- Can you Grind, I mean really can you do 10-15hrs a day to monitor all your campaigns when starting up to optimize etc.

    9- What is CPA payout, this is vitally important as it is simpler to reach 1M from promoting something with a higher ticket as long as the traffic volume is available.

    10- Are you doing, Demographical, Keywords and Angles to Offer, most guys stay in the box and over pay for traffic, hence will be more difficult to convert

    11- Are you building a List, now this does not always need to be done, but sure helps getting list to make daily/weekly conversions for you.

    12- Payments- can you get faster payments from network to help campaign

    13- Private, You may find that going direct to the Advertiser will help get a higher CPA as they do not need to pay the Network no longer!

    14- Social life, Most top guys I speak to in this space have no lives outside of running campaigns and rightly so, but if this aint you then..... you get the point!

    15- Campaigns, will you be running multiple, similar or just the same campaign for the whole year?

    Think may have covered everything, there is so many things to think of when aiming to reach such big goals, just remember that earning $1M in profit will probably mean you need to generate about $5M at around avg 20-25% ROI on Big volume traffic *but this is just an estimate.


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    • Profile picture of the author skyzero
      Originally Posted by KevMason View Post

      Ok here goes......

      To make 1M profit per Year doing CPA is doable for sure, now here is the main obstacles I find.

      1- Offers come and go way to much in Industries (especially Weight Loss,Skincare & Dating)

      2- Payment becomes an issue at times, because Networks start scrubbing you based on different metrics more on that in another post.

      3- Budget, do you have enough of a marketing budget to get that BIG traffic. I'm talking can you go to a network today with 20-100K and buy traffic, and if possible spend that on a daily basis?

      4- What is you Morals like- are you willing to run Advertorials or Flogs, or kill an offer in a "grey area" until the FTC write you?

      5- Do you Cloak- If NOT why, most people doing it BIG in CPA are sooo?....

      6- What Networks are you buying traffic from, I have met so many people in CPA on a big scale and they work with the normal big names (Google, Bing, FaceBook, AOL, Large Media Buys)

      7- Scalability, can you scale offer to other GEO, Networks, Traffic Types, Devices etc

      8- Can you Grind, I mean really can you do 10-15hrs a day to monitor all your campaigns when starting up to optimize etc.

      9- What is CPA payout, this is vitally important as it is simpler to reach 1M from promoting something with a higher ticket as long as the traffic volume is available.

      10- Are you doing, Demographical, Keywords and Angles to Offer, most guys stay in the box and over pay for traffic, hence will be more difficult to convert

      11- Are you building a List, now this does not always need to be done, but sure helps getting list to make daily/weekly conversions for you.

      12- Payments- can you get faster payments from network to help campaign

      13- Private, You may find that going direct to the Advertiser will help get a higher CPA as they do not need to pay the Network no longer!

      14- Social life, Most top guys I speak to in this space have no lives outside of running campaigns and rightly so, but if this aint you then..... you get the point!

      15- Campaigns, will you be running multiple, similar or just the same campaign for the whole year?

      Think may have covered everything, there is so many things to think of when aiming to reach such big goals, just remember that earning $1M in profit will probably mean you need to generate about $5M at around avg 20-25% ROI on Big volume traffic *but this is just an estimate.


      Good Luck
      Thanks Kev!

      Those are some some great tactical and moral questions you raise.
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    Great repsonse above.

    He hit a lot of great points.
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