CPA "Email Submit" Offers, Really? I say it's fraud.

They lie to try and get people to promote their shit-scam offer funnel.

Expect those advertisers to shave like hell and it's very likely they don't fire a conversion pixel until the user hits a few offer wall pages or maybe the end of the funnel.

Waste of time for everyone except the advertiser who gets free leads to spam and sell.

Yes, may people avoid e-mail submits. Mainly "freebie" and "gift card" ones. I don't use them and would suggest people not use them if they are not familiar with them.

With that being said I have built successfully e-mail submit campaigns on PPV and 7Search.

So it is really a double edged sword.

Email submits are also one of the most commonly frauded offer types by scheming affiliates. There's been a lot of scamming over the years on email submit offers, which hurts the advertisers and the legit affiliates trying to profit off them. if email submits weren't hit in droves by fraudulent signups, there would be a lot less bullshit to hop through making the conversion on them.

Ummm..

For e-mail submits, you are supposed to get credit as soon as the user fills out their email.. after this then the back end of the offer kicks in (remember, at this point you already receive credit for the user filling out the email submit portion), the backend is now how the merchant (owner of the email submit) makes money from the offer..

I used have recently been promoting email submits form various different networks and although yes I do admit their is most likely scrubbing I have not came across any of these offers that dont generate leads where they area meant to.

If you haven't been filling out your own offers how do you even know that the leads are not generating when you say they are?

Heres the proper way of doing that kind of stuff:

1) Send the leads DIRECTLY - which means host your own site and deliver leads via host and post. This way you can keep tabs on everything. Most advertisers won't let you do that so you need to go direct, either to the merchant or via a private network. It's well worth it though.

2) Dont promite shitty $1-2 buck offers, the margins are WAY too think. Look for offers at the $30-50 range. There's plenty but you need to know where to look

3) Stick to Adwords, BING or your own email lists for traffic. Anything else just doesn't have the quality.

Any questions just let me know,
Nick

I know I know,it should be within network's ethics as well to make sure these are not scams,but they get paid so they shut up!


Live your dreams,
Ean Stark

MaxBounty email submits are reputable. When I ran email submit campaigns a couple of years ago for a certain niche, I made $1600-1800. I love their quick payments.

Email submits are tricky and yes some are fraudulent but that doesn't mean it's not one of the best type of conversion flows for CPA campaigns. People have always and still are making a fortune just pushing those type of offers.

Test with the most reputable networks out there and split test between those as well.

Hey I agree!!!!! I got like almost 7,000 clicks on this Derby Horse Game for $2.40 a 1st page and notha...Just Cloud.$5.49 1st summit reached 4,003 clicks notha!! What the heck Obviously I'm doing something right on my end with my ads for all those hits but what gives here?..Maybe I thought I was missing something through the process of the Creative choice and the callback thing..I was using search since I promote on PPC Networks..I don't know I'm holding off for now until I get some answers..

Don't waste your time on email and zip submit. To get wet in marketing you may try 7search+ email submit. But not for make profit.

Yes, I have to agree with you...even I think that most CPA offers are fraud.

Email/Zip submits are scrubbed due to the high fraud rate.
In an email/ zip submit, the pixel is supposed to fire after submitting the email and clicking "continue".
You can split test this by swiping the advertiser's LP and using your optin box instead.
Now, rotate your email submit along with advertiser's email submit.
This will give you an idea, how much the advertiser is scrubbing. Then you can show the results to your AM and probably reduce the scrubbing by the advertiser.

Nice thread here, read the replies and it will surely help me too. Thanks for the thread OP.

As it's already been said, if you are looking to promote such offers, expect severe scrub rate..

I would rather go with other verticals/offer types like trial offers or something similar, you really want super cheap clicks if you want to make email subs profitable to be honest!

Hello Guys,
Yes i agree, some of this email submit offer is misleading, it does not convert on the email submission, not on the first page either, some time it redirect the client to a second page, it is very misleading. In my opinion this is the job of the CPA network to protected their publisher against this fraud offer, and fraud advertisers, this is exactly how they protect the there advertiser from fraud traffic generated by the publisher, they should also protect their publisher. What do you think guys.

Since this was resurfaced I'll go ahead and throw my 2 cents in:

If I own a 3 page short form lead offer and I know I'm able to sell the lead for $7.50, how much is the lead worth?

It's worth $7.50.

Now, let's say I know that on average 10% of the people who fill out the first page will complete the entire form and I'll make that $7.50 lead. How much is the first page submit worth?

It's worth $0.75.

This is primarily how email submit metrics are calculated. Do you know how much an email address is really worth? Most of the time, not very much. Maybe around $0.15. But, affiliates want to get paid $1-2 for an email submit. It's not difficult to figure out how to make that work.

I'd like to note that I have publishers who are getting a 50%+ conversion rates on some email submits because they drive quality traffic that backs out well for the advertiser. That means the value of the actual email address submit is worth more so they can pay out more (decrease the scrub rate).

Is it a silly way to advertise a lead form or co-reg path? Maybe, but would you run a $0.10 email submit?

I had been reading up about cpa and although email/zip submits are recommended
for those new to cpa, seems like there's a lot of fishy stuff going on here.

So, what do you guys recommend?
Is anyone making money with lead/ zip submits at all?

Faraz

Your one email , which get paid you only 1.2 or 1.5 dollar actually make 100 or 200 for the advertiser.

Now at the end of 2015, what are the types of CPA offers to go after? (not looking for specific one and compete with you, just the type and networks that are good to work with)

I had success with email submits

Thanks to OP for letting us see the truth about zip and email submits!

Really didn't expect such stuff.

Just to clarify, years ago email and zip submits were decent. But these days I'd recommend staying away for the most part.

They are all crooks. I was a member of Maxbounty and Peerfly. One day I was accused of fraud but neither one would elaborate. One time I did submit my own e-mail just to see as I had over 7000 clicks to one offer and ZERO converts. Maybe my traffic wasn't the best but come on at least 1 would have entered an e-mail address. I also had a friend of mine enter a zip from the US and guess what. Nothing. I was following all guidelines banner,ppc etc but still no converts.
I have found a dating site to be OK but even them, when you make a few conversions start asking questions. Funny how when these companies get thousands of e-mail address they say squat but as soon as you convert a few after paying for ads and barely making your money back they question your traffic and even ban you.
I found now that all these "middlemen" are shaving as well. They are getting paid by the offer company and shaving us for all the hard work. Notice how they hardly ever reply to e-mails or phone calls when you can find a number? I now see an offer. go to the bottom of the site and become an affiliate direct when available. That way no blood sucking middlemen.So many restrictions and also if they require specific traffic and you have your webpage redirect to the offer, how are they to know where the lead originated. Pure BULL. Stay away from e-mail submits. Period they do NOT convert.