How to play with 50onRed bidding system?

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Hi,
I'm using 50onRed's pop ads (PPV). Their bid is so high and the smart bid feature makes me feel like a game. When i try to increase my bid, i see no sign of increasing traffic to my offer. 0.02->0.04->0.06 etc... do i have to reach their Smart bid suggestion? it's > 0.2 :rolleyes: and more. I would play with PPC instead of that high.

And i'm unable to catch their Referrer-Domain with CPVlab.
CPVLAB shows Referrers from domain - *.akamaihd.net. That domain is used as Facebook CDN domain, is that fake referrer? i dont know which sites the traffic comes from :confused: With LeadImpact i can see where my LP is popped.

But I have to say that they have traffic and i have conversions on some keywords/domains.

It looks like a game which trying to increase my bid then send me the same traffic volume. pls correct me if i'm wrong. Maybe i don't know how to work with them.

Please share your experiences with 50onRed, any help is much appreciated.

Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JPM
    I'm on 50OR a few weeks now and have the same feeling. But, on the other hand, there's a competition ofcourse on URL's that have lots of traffic. I just raised some of my bids slowly to see the impact on traffic-increase.

    About the referrer: 50OR claims their system isnt able to track the URL. Use {domain} to track the domain manually. Works like a charm.

    Although I'm pleased in general about 50OR I have a little trouble converting the traffic, or get a decent CTR. Might be my own lack of experience..
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  • Profile picture of the author LeoTran
    @JPM Thank you for your information. I will try to use {domain} in my tracking url.
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  • Profile picture of the author eric56hk
    Anyone knows what kind of variations can be used in 50onred!?
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    There are no referrals with 50onRed pops, just the same for every other pop network. The ads aren't on the site. They are generated through a 3rd party adware installed on the computer when they visit a targetted site or keyword.

    You can dynamically pass target info through to tracking in your URL with their tracking variables.

    More info when building your campaigns:

    To capture data from a view, you may append any of these macros to your Destination URL: {country}, {bid}, {target}, {campaign_id}, {creative_id}, {target_id}, {domain}, and {click_id}. {click_id} must be used when placing a server to server pixel.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    this is good info, thanks guy. Been playing around with 50or for a while now and I really happy with results. :-)

    and justin you always bring good tips to the table thanks mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author LeoTran
    @justin i'm using 50onred and Leadimpact only and i dont know about other pops networks. But this is what my cpvlab shows me, you can see the difference between LI and 50onred.
    yes, you are right, pops are generated by adwares i know that too. on LI, cpvlab can capture the urls from my targets, that is useful for me to remove many bad targets.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley@50
    LeoTran,

    If you’re not getting more traffic when you increase your bids, it usually means you aren’t bidding competitively enough to earn more traffic. I can provide some insight to our matching algorithms and how SmartBids work, which can help you optimize your bids.

    With Pops campaigns, the matching target with the highest bid wins the view. However, campaign restrictions like frequency caps and dayparting schedules allow lower bids to get volume, which is where SmartBids come in. SmartBids make the target eligible for up to 90% of the target’s traffic, so it can get a significant amount of volume without overbidding. When the top bidder has no campaign restrictions (i.e., it’s active 24/7), your SmartBid will recommend a bid slightly higher than the highest bid.

    As for capturing referrer data, JPM and JustinDupre hit the nail on the head with their insight and tips. If they hadn’t responded, I would have also recommended using the {domain} macro

    Another fun fact: {domain} will also track subdomains if the URL has one, and “www.” is treated as a subdomain (because technically, it actually IS a subdomain).

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Market07
    I notice inconsistent conversions with 50onred.

    On TV and LI the conversions are always very consistent. But on 50onred I notice the conversion on certain keywords variate wildly. For example, independent of bid price, on one day I could have 40 conversions on a single keyword then 10 then 8, 6 all the way down. Then I pause the keyword for a few days and resume again and same pattern repeats. The beginning of the pattern always begins with a wild conversion rate then slows.
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    • Profile picture of the author watsonovedades
      Originally Posted by Market07 View Post

      I notice inconsistent conversions with 50onred.

      On TV and LI the conversions are always very consistent. But on 50onred I notice the conversion on certain keywords variate wildly. For example, independent of bid price, on one day I could have 40 conversions on a single keyword then 10 then 8, 6 all the way down. Then I pause the keyword for a few days and resume again and same pattern repeats. The beginning of the pattern always begins with a wild conversion rate then slows.
      good to hear they are converting tho
      keep it up!
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