Clicksure CPL Voids Problem...?

by bihosh
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Now, clicksure has 6 CPL product. All products owner is Bobby. I've started marketing these CPL products from 2nd July 2014. Net 32. I've mailed to products owner Bobby and let him know my marketing strategy. He replied me its okay.

But now, after 30 days, before 2 days of payment he voids my all leads. I mailed him but he don't reply. He started to voids all of my leads. Its really painful.

I don't know about clicksure CPL. Is this scam? Is there anyone who got payment from clicksure CPL?

I am sorry for my bad english. Thanks.
#clicksure #cpl #problem #voids
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by bihosh View Post

    I don't know about clicksure CPL. Is this scam?
    "Scam" is quite a strong word, but a lot of Warriors do actually seem to think that, or something very close to it, anyway. (And even many of the products listed on Clicksure do seem to be those rejected by other networks on legal, ethical or moral grounds.) There was a thread about Clicksure only yesterday. Here it is: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-trusted.html

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  • Profile picture of the author dshrader300
    Originally Posted by bihosh View Post

    Now, clicksure has 6 CPL product. All products owner is Bobby. I've started marketing these CPL products from 2nd July 2014. Net 32. I've mailed to products owner Bobby and let him know my marketing strategy. He replied me its okay.

    But now, after 30 days, before 2 days of payment he voids my all leads. I mailed him but he don't reply. He started to voids all of my leads. Its really painful.

    I don't know about clicksure CPL. Is this scam? Is there anyone who got payment from clicksure CPL?

    I am sorry for my bad english. Thanks.
    I have been ripped for over $1500 in clicksure's CPL program. Does anyone have the owners name phone and address for any of the cpl products in clicksure here is 1 of them http: //xxxxx.76seclead.cpa.clicksure.com. This guy is real piece of garbage.
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  • Profile picture of the author mydream247
    Dont waste your time or money with clicksure, they do not mention there is a minium $250.00 to cash out, and good luck reaching that after they void half your leads, such a joke.
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    • Profile picture of the author dshrader300
      The owner of the CPL programs in cliicksure have voided over $1500 in good leads that I make $10,000 a month from
      Here is Proof of the voids.
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      If anyone has an idea on how to stop this scam or how to recover the money please contact me. I am thinking big here.
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      • Profile picture of the author dshrader300
        Originally Posted by dshrader300 View Post

        The owner of the CPL programs in cliicksure have voided over $1500 in good leads that I make $10,000 a month from
        Here is Proof of the voids.
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        If anyone has an idea on how to stop this scam or how to recover the money please contact me. I am thinking big here.
        Now Clicksure Has Changed The Layout. So It doesn't Look Like The Owner of 76 Seconds is ripping you off.Way to back up your people Clicksure!!

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  • Profile picture of the author opplinks
    I also have a very very bad experience with clicksure. They did not even pay me a dime.

    Guys, please take a look at this link and maybe we could just do something about this "crime":

    Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home

    Let me know if something comes up. I remember using this 1 time and I succeeded. The site has was closed after a few days.

    And its a good idea if we work this out together. 1 is always better than 2....and I think we have hundreds of people out there complaining about clicksure.

    Thanks for this thread. Now I know what to do... stop promoting clicksure cpas.
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    • Profile picture of the author dshrader300
      Originally Posted by opplinks View Post

      I also have a very very bad experience with clicksure. They did not even pay me a dime.

      Guys, please take a look at this link and maybe we could just do something about this "crime":

      Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home

      Let me know if something comes up. I remember using this 1 time and I succeeded. The site has was closed after a few days.

      And its a good idea if we work this out together. 1 is always better than 2....and I think we have hundreds of people out there complaining about clicksure.

      Thanks for this thread. Now I know what to do... stop promoting clicksure cpas.
      It this a Government Site? Does anyone have more information on this? I am willing to file a complaint and take any legal action needed to shut them down.
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  • Profile picture of the author AliceChavarria
    clicksure always seemed to have junky offers but I never had a strong thought that they might be scammy!

    Their offers always had high refund rates as they were even more hypey than some clickbank products! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author egoldzone
    I got same experiend with 7seconds offer Void..
    But I got better with CPA model and got paid several times from clicksure
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  • Profile picture of the author HarryKarnes
    If he did say leads were okay and did void all your leads at the time when you were just about to get paid, then picture is pretty clear to be honest.

    You know his intention and it's sad that none of us would be able to change that any way possible.,.
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  • Profile picture of the author bkbranch
    Man, coming across this thread just made me depressed. I have my first payment expected to come on September 18th and now I am afraid my leads will be voided and my advertising money will go to waste. I won't spend another dime until I see what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Albertx1987
    WHOAAA can anyone confirm to see if they are actually scamming? as i just got into this and im not sure it to start promoting it!!

    Also if anyone has any tips on how to promote this stuff i would greatly appreciate it!! as im really new TO CPC, CPL any other cost per LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author AndreaThomas
    this is really disheartening, I have a friend who did 5 figs in a month with them in IM niche but he got paid on time though. Sorry for your loss I guess
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  • Profile picture of the author candirose2012
    i was about to focus on working on this but really i am glad that i do not do it
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  • Profile picture of the author bkbranch
    My fears have became true.

    11-Sep-14 81 $202.50 $132.50 $70.00 $0.00 - $70.00

    $132.50 was voided

    18-September-2014 (Thu) 0 364 0 $910.00 $-362.50 $547.50

    $362.50 was voided

    This traffic all came from mobile traffic in which he told me was okay. If you choose to promote these products just realize at least half of your earnings will be voided. I will be glad to just recoup enough money to cover my advertising costs, move on, and never promote these offers again.
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  • Profile picture of the author ClickSure
    Hi, this is Dee from ClickSure.

    I'm sorry to hear that some of you have had commissions voided.

    If you believe that these voids have been processed in error, please do not hesitate to send me a direct message with more information regarding your circumstances (including your Affiliate ID) and I will be more than happy to look into this further for you.

    Please note that voids are processed at the sole discretion of Advertisers. However at ClickSure we do monitor each Vendor and take any complaints regarding voids seriously to ensure that the ability to void commissions is not being abused.
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulDeSousa
      Originally Posted by ClickSure View Post

      Hi, this is Dee from ClickSure.

      If you believe that these voids have been processed in error
      In error? This is not an error, this is blatant fraud on their part.

      Originally Posted by ClickSure View Post

      Hi, this is Dee from ClickSure.

      Please note that voids are processed at the sole discretion of Advertisers. However at ClickSure we do monitor each Vendor and take any complaints regarding voids seriously to ensure that the ability to void commissions is not being abused.
      I have had numerous affiliates ask me about that cpl and the voids, on such a mass scale and so many complaints, clicksure should have been a little more proactive when seeing all the voids and done something about it before a backlash. Be careful you don't lose affiliates who now no longer trust you.
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    • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
      Originally Posted by ClickSure View Post

      However at ClickSure we do monitor each Vendor and take any complaints regarding voids seriously to ensure that the ability to void commissions is not being abused.
      Rubbish! I doesn't look like you monitor your vendors ,especially in the CPL section AT ALL! Those vendors should have their accounts removed!

      I'm "SHARING" this thread on my Facebook page so all my 22,445 fans can be warned against using CPL leads on Clicksure!!
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    • Profile picture of the author wrecipe
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      Originally Posted by ClickSure View Post

      Hi, this is Dee from ClickSure.

      I'm sorry to hear that some of you have had commissions voided.

      If you believe that these voids have been processed in error, please do not hesitate to send me a direct message with more information regarding your circumstances (including your Affiliate ID) and I will be more than happy to look into this further for you.

      Please note that voids are processed at the sole discretion of Advertisers. However at ClickSure we do monitor each Vendor and take any complaints regarding voids seriously to ensure that the ability to void commissions is not being abused.
      This is ridiculous. I just checked my ClickSure Account just now and they deducted $-197.50 out of $325.50. So now new Estimated Paychecks $128. I believe they didn't void all the amount so I keep sending them traffic to match threshold of $250. But I am not sending any more traffic.

      I have sent all high quality traffic and exactly as per requirements so no way the advertiser can void my payment. ClickSure is 100% total SCAM. I am sure ClickSure is the vendor of all the offer on ClickSure or they are involve in this fraud activity with the vendors and that is why they are not taking any action about it.

      I have submitted ticket to ClickSure support team but so far no respond from them and also I didn't get any respond to the PM I sent to ClickSure's Warrior representative.

      There is no doubt ClickSure is Total Scam.

      Common ClickSure there is no problem with the leads I sent, problem is with your Intention. You are never willing to pay your publisher. That is why you set up threshold of $250 which is impossible to achieve because whenever someone reach the threshold you will void leads so you don't need to pay the publisher. And also when publisher like us complain you told us saying VOID is totally controlled by the advertiser. You people have no business ethics.
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    • Profile picture of the author dshrader300
      Originally Posted by ClickSure View Post

      Hi, this is Dee from ClickSure.

      I'm sorry to hear that some of you have had commissions voided.

      If you believe that these voids have been processed in error, please do not hesitate to send me a direct message with more information regarding your circumstances (including your Affiliate ID) and I will be more than happy to look into this further for you.

      Please note that voids are processed at the sole discretion of Advertisers. However at ClickSure we do monitor each Vendor and take any complaints regarding voids seriously to ensure that the ability to void commissions is not being abused.
      Hi Lee at Clicksure, I have sent you a Private Message.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnmikeslist1
    CLICKSURE and all offers there are classic SCAM ! Never ever promote any offer from clicksure voids are more then 90% !?? SCAM !

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  • Profile picture of the author PaulDeSousa
    Apparently this has happened quite a bit.

    Ask around in the skype groups, many many people were taken for a ride by this cpl on Clicksure.

    I will point out though that its not only Clicksure at fault - Clicksure make payments on time and can be trusted - its the publisher ( the owner of that cpl ) that do the voids.

    But in this case, its pure abuse of the void system on the part of the cpl owners, they voiding just about everybody so they don't have to pay.

    However in this case clicksure should step in and

    a ) shut that cpl down
    b ) reverse 100% of the voids
    c ) force them to pay.
    d ) ban those vendors for life from CS.
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    • Profile picture of the author dshrader300
      Originally Posted by PaulDeSousa View Post

      Apparently this has happened quite a bit.

      Ask around in the skype groups, many many people were taken for a ride by this cpl on Clicksure.

      I will point out though that its not only Clicksure at fault - Clicksure make payments on time and can be trusted - its the publisher ( the owner of that cpl ) that do the voids.

      But in this case, its pure abuse of the void system on the part of the cpl owners, they voiding just about everybody so they don't have to pay.

      However in this case clicksure should step in and

      a ) shut that cpl down
      b ) reverse 100% of the voids
      c ) force them to pay.
      d ) ban those vendors for life from CS.
      I couldn't AGREE MORE. And the people from clicksure won't respond.
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  • Profile picture of the author molsted
    I am really sorry that I didn't find this thread before. I am also sorry for the people who have lost thousands in voids due to obvious scamming from the product owners.

    A such high number of voids seems like an obvious scam. The only way these voids could be real would be if the affiliate was actually sending bot traffic or in any other way trying to scam the PPL offers which seem VERY unlikely in this case.

    I recently had some very good conversions with these PPL offers my self and I was just about to ramp up the traffic seriously. That has now been put on a serious hold for sure!

    At least one month, untill I get paid for my first batch of traffic.

    I do of course hope that I am wrong, and that I will not lose my commissions due to improper voids, but it surely doesn't look good based on the stats above.

    I just hope I will at least recoup my traffic expenses!

    ClickSure really ought to follow Paul DeSouza's advice here and do some serious investigation and clean up in this mattter before they lose all their affiliates ... or at least the ones worth keeping!
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulDeSousa
    Sadly, every single one of the affiliates who asked my opinion about this CPL on skype are all people whose traffic has converted into sales for me .... ON CLICKSURE!

    go figure...
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  • Profile picture of the author molsted
    It is apparently mainly an issue with the one company running the PPL offers then and not with the CPA offer providers... ?
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulDeSousa
      Originally Posted by molsted View Post

      It is apparently mainly an issue with the one company running the PPL offers then and not with the CPA offer providers... ?
      correct, however clicksure should have noticed an extraordinary high amount of voids and done something about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author molsted
    ... and BOOM! All $138 dollars from PPL the last two days gone. Not even voided. Just nulled!
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  • Profile picture of the author molsted
    The PPL offfers on Clicksure are 110% scam!!!

    It's hereby confirmed (again) ...

    Earlier today I had 138 usd commissions voided from three days of traffic. Luckily, I found this thread and was able to stop a 500 usd solo ad purchase I had planned to go out!

    Their offers convert really well, but what they do is they just void 75-100% of your commissions so they can keep all the money themselves.

    My traffic was top notch so voding 100% commissions trying to hide behind some "your traffic was bad" crap, ain't gonna fly. Absolutely no bots or anything shady!

    110% Scam! Nothing more. Nothing less.

    These B'stards seriously ought to be outed and CLICKSURE needds to do something with it. NOW!
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  • Profile picture of the author scrembo88
    Keeping it short !

    STAY AWAY FROM CLICKSURE CPL OFFERS - 100% SURE WHAT I TALK
    Exactly like all the people says they do void your money and hide behind the same reason bad quality traffic.

    Here is one of my clicksure accs where I test kind of paid traffic recently :
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  • Profile picture of the author johnmikeslist1
    And with so much voids and 250$ min payout , you can sending traffic few years...
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  • Profile picture of the author badboy_Nick
    Guys, let's look at this objectively for a split second.

    Every CPL program has a natural scrub or rejection rate and this is pretty normal. Invalid numbers, hoax leads and leads, duplicates and out of criteria leads always get rejected.

    However, this being said - GOOD leads need to be paid for and it is the responsibility of the network to look after both it's merchants and affiliates otherwise your reputation will vanish very fast. Whenever I send leads to a merchant I always want full transparency ... mainly on these points:

    - Rejected leads must have a reason attached as to why it was rejected (wrong number, dupe, etc). I want to know why a lead was rejected.

    - I want a rejection guarantee at some level as all my traffic is of high-quality and so should the traffic of other high volume affiliates be anyway. Maybe not on all my own leads I deliver but at the very least for all leads sent to that merchant/product as a whole from everyone combined. This gives all affiliates some sort of assurance and protection. Otherwise a merchant could just reject everything.

    - A set period of time after which leads cannot be rejected. Usually one week to 10 days should be more than enough. After that, leads need to be paid for. This also gives affiliates the ability an assurance in order to continue sending leads and be efficient in crunching their own numbers.

    But again, the point I'm trying to make is that there's 2 sides to the coin with the network acting as a facilitator. Both the merchant and the affiliates need to be protected and kept happy. Whenever that picture becomes entirely one-sided it's just not good for business, period.

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    • Profile picture of the author PaulDeSousa
      Originally Posted by badboy_Nick View Post

      Guys, let's look at this objectively for a split second.

      Every CPL program has a natural scrub or rejection rate and this is pretty normal. Invalid numbers, hoax leads and leads, duplicates and out of criteria leads always get rejected.

      However, this being said - GOOD leads need to be paid for and it is the responsibility of the network to look after both it's merchants and affiliates otherwise your reputation will vanish very fast. Whenever I send leads to a merchant I always want full transparency ... mainly on these points:

      - Rejected leads must have a reason attached as to why it was rejected (wrong number, dupe, etc). I want to know why a lead was rejected.

      - I want a rejection guarantee at some level as all my traffic is of high-quality and so should the traffic of other high volume affiliates be anyway. Maybe not on all my own leads I deliver but at the very least for all leads sent to that merchant/product as a whole from everyone combined. This gives all affiliates some sort of assurance and protection. Otherwise a merchant could just reject everything.

      - A set period of time after which leads cannot be rejected. Usually one week to 10 days should be more than enough. After that, leads need to be paid for. This also gives affiliates the ability an assurance in order to continue sending leads and be efficient in crunching their own numbers.

      But again, the point I'm trying to make is that there's 2 sides to the coin with the network acting as a facilitator. Both the merchant and the affiliates need to be protected and kept happy. Whenever that picture becomes entirely one-sided it's just not good for business, period.

      Nick
      some excellent points - however in this case I am pretty sure with the feedback I have been getting, the void rate is beyond acceptable.
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    okay, so clicksure is definitely checked off from my list! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author alvinaff1
    When do they do the void? End of the month or before payment? I just started and made $9, zero voided. I find it is very easy to convert for this CPL.

    I ever received money from Clicksure, around $180, during that time they closed my account because I have not enough sale. Now I start a new account, I am not sure want to continue after reading all these comments
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    • Profile picture of the author molsted
      Originally Posted by alvinaff1 View Post

      When do they do the void? End of the month or before payment? I just started and made $9, zero voided. I find it is very easy to convert for this CPL.

      I ever received money from Clicksure, around $180, during that time they closed my account because I have not enough sale. Now I start a new account, I am not sure want to continue after reading all these comments
      HI,

      The advertisers CAN void at any time. Some have seen voids around payout time, I had luckily my voids happen at an earlier stage.

      The cpl /ppl offers convert really well, but that doesn't mean squat when you're not getting paid!
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      • Profile picture of the author ghb100
        I am grateful to stumble upon this post about Clicksure CPL offers...I am a newbie and currently promoting Clicksure CPL offers and I get lot of clicks to the offer but no earnings recorded. I want to ask how long does it take to get credited for CPL? will I see earnings for CPL immediately I get the lead and will it appear as sales?
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        • Profile picture of the author johnmikeslist1
          Originally Posted by ghb100 View Post

          I am grateful to stumble upon this post about Clicksure CPL offers...I am a newbie and currently promoting Clicksure CPL offers and I get lot of clicks to the offer but no earnings recorded. I want to ask how long does it take to get credited for CPL? will I see earnings for CPL immediately I get the lead and will it appear as sales?
          You will never receive your earnings even if it shows...
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          • Profile picture of the author molsted
            Originally Posted by johnmikeslist1 View Post

            You will never receive your earnings even if it shows...
            So F**king true! Now, even my regular CPA commisions are being voided.

            Why bother ....
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  • Profile picture of the author ClickSure
    Hello everyone,

    Thanks badboy_Nick, you have raised some important points and I will ensure that I pass this feedback to the appropriate department.

    ClickSure is a self-serviced network which means that Advertisers have the ability to void commissions; however our Affiliates are incredibly important to us as a Network. Without you, there would be no ClickSure!

    We take any complaints about voids seriously and investigate any cases where an Affiliate feels that commissions have been voided unfairly.

    That said, in the majority of cases there is a legitimate and understandable reason for a void being processed. An example of such is when an Affiliate is sending incentivized traffic which is strictly prohibited.

    At ClickSure we also monitor the percentage of actions voided by any one Advertiser and take appropriate action if an Advertiser exceeds an acceptable void percentage.

    In the case of the products being named in the thread, their overall void rate is actually low.

    However, as it's obviously been a cause for concern on this thread, we will now escalate/look into it more and speak to the product owner.

    In the event that we think that an Advertiser is committing fraud in this manner then we would suspend their account in the same way we would suspend an Affiliate account that was suspected of fraud.

    If anybody has any questions, please do not hesitate to hit me up directly.

    Kind regards,

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    • Profile picture of the author molsted
      Originally Posted by ClickSure View Post

      Hello everyone,


      That said, in the majority of cases there is a legitimate and understandable reason for a void being processed. An example of such is when an Affiliate is sending incentivized traffic which is strictly prohibited.

      At ClickSure we also monitor the percentage of actions voided by any one Advertiser and take appropriate action if an Advertiser exceeds an acceptable void percentage.

      In the case of the products being named in the thread, their overall void rate is actually low.
      Thanks for actually looking into this. It seems to be a concern regarding all the PPL offers on Clicksure.

      The problem, however, they way I see it is that we, as affilaites, have absolutely NO control over what is deemed "legimate" leads. I, and others here, have asked the PPL providers if such and such method is ok and what is deemed quality and not quality.

      Usually the answer has always been, if you send good traffic you will get paid.

      ... and then they go on to void 50-100% of your leads.

      I can only speak for myself, but none of my leads were intencivized in any way. Visitors where presented with the PPL offer and decided to opt-in.

      Obviously, when there is a single-optin like the case is with most of these offers, there will be people putting in fake name just to see what the offer is about etc, and voiding these leads are of course fair and accepted.

      HOWEVER, when I sent almost 90% US traffic of people who are actively looking for ways to make money online and the PPL people go on and void all leads, then there is something wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author dshrader300
      Originally Posted by ClickSure View Post

      Hello everyone,

      Thanks badboy_Nick, you have raised some important points and I will ensure that I pass this feedback to the appropriate department.

      ClickSure is a self-serviced network which means that Advertisers have the ability to void commissions; however our Affiliates are incredibly important to us as a Network. Without you, there would be no ClickSure!

      We take any complaints about voids seriously and investigate any cases where an Affiliate feels that commissions have been voided unfairly.

      That said, in the majority of cases there is a legitimate and understandable reason for a void being processed. An example of such is when an Affiliate is sending incentivized traffic which is strictly prohibited.

      At ClickSure we also monitor the percentage of actions voided by any one Advertiser and take appropriate action if an Advertiser exceeds an acceptable void percentage.

      In the case of the products being named in the thread, their overall void rate is actually low.

      However, as it's obviously been a cause for concern on this thread, we will now escalate/look into it more and speak to the product owner.

      In the event that we think that an Advertiser is committing fraud in this manner then we would suspend their account in the same way we would suspend an Affiliate account that was suspected of fraud.

      If anybody has any questions, please do not hesitate to hit me up directly.

      Kind regards,

      Dee
      Hey Dee I have sent you a direct Message via Private Message here on the Warrior Forum with no response from you.

      There was $1100 voided in one week from my account. That just happened to be for all the leads I sent that week. And i will pay him or anyone $1100 straight to their paypal that can prove that I sent Incentive to click traffic. Because I send only email traffic from My Aweber and Get response accounts. I have the lists to prove I can send well over 2000 clicks a day. With great conversion rates.

      Now please respond to my Private Message. I want this mans account closed. Plus I want my money from him.
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    it's really a shame, they used to be really good at what they do!
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  • Profile picture of the author johnmikeslist1
    Clicksure is PURE SCAM !!! All network should be closed ! Let's do it together !

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    • Profile picture of the author dshrader300
      Originally Posted by johnmikeslist1 View Post

      Clicksure is PURE SCAM !!! All network should be closed ! Let's do it together !

      Not just a scam its PURE FRAUD
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      • Profile picture of the author RyanJohnson1
        Originally Posted by dshrader300 View Post

        Not just a scam its PURE FRAUD
        how were you driving traffic?

        with email submits as an advertiser there are so many bogus leads that come in...

        think about it... Clicksure has 100,000 affiliates.

        I know there are a lot of affiliates who have at least once in their lifetime opted in to an advertisers site themselves, knowing that the advertiser still had to pay for it...

        Imagine at a $2.50 payout you have 10,000 affiliates that submit just one bogus lead...the advertiser is on the hook for $25,000 in fraudulent charges...

        In CPA there will always be voids, scrubs, and shaves of some kind...

        I think clicksure is trying to the best they can.

        also you have to take into account that since clicksure doesn't have suppression files,
        for advertisers, maybe the leads you submitted have already been suppressed from
        this advertisers records.
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        • Profile picture of the author molsted
          Originally Posted by RyanJohnson1 View Post

          In CPA there will always be voids, scrubs, and shaves of some kind...
          Sure, but not for 75-100% of the submitted leads!
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            • Profile picture of the author funkytim

              My Cash Bot has denied me over $6000 in sales so far. I have $500 just sitting there... waiting for them to strike once again.

              *** Also*** Over $11,000 in voids since June.
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              • Profile picture of the author molsted
                Oh, Lord! This is even worse than the PPL stuff ... If you sent real people to that offer and actually made those sales and they void it all ..?

                This is just ridiculous!

                From now on ... I will not promote any offer where I do not personally know the product over or at least know who that person is. At least on ClickSure.



                Originally Posted by funkytim View Post


                My Cash Bot has denied me over $6000 in sales so far. I have $500 just sitting there... waiting for them to strike once again.

                *** Also*** Over $11,000 in voids since June.
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  • Profile picture of the author danozafar
    In ClickSure? My community of IM lost thousands of dollars.
    Not only CPL, CPA also voids.

    The owner of the of “76 seconds profit” will never reply you when it’s time to pay off.

    I have all proof they are sheer scam.


    Somewhere I read, they are from China. The server is from a Chinese area. They are pretending to be USA.
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  • Profile picture of the author cagwatson
    Yeah I've been stung by this as well, ridiculous amounts of voids that i know where legitimate leads. Sure you get a degree of scrubbing and that's expected, but not at these levels

    Now nobody from clicksure will respond to me to discuss, a complete wall of silence. I'm now sitting with a balance that's BELOW the minimum withdrawal amount. funny coincidence that?

    I was willing to give clicksure themselves the benefit of the doubt on the basis this was a vendor issue that they could address but their complete contempt for this issue with me, and obviously others speaks volumes about them as a business.

    If you read this for the first time then do yourself a favor and AVOID these Fraudsters & save yourself the headache.

    There are plenty of other reputable PPL providers around.

    EDIT: I've literally just been advised that they will look int this with the advertiser today.
    i'm asking to have my balance (which is now below the withdraw limit) remitted and to just move on, just not worth the headache.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrisFellman
    I don't frequent Warrior Forum too often anymore-- but I've been around awhile. Paul De Sousa and I were talking and he asked me if I know Bobby (the owner of some of these CPL offers)... and I do.

    I know them personally and have worked with them for over 3 years. In all of my business dealings with them they've been very honest, smart, and do exactly what they say they're going to do. The reason you see voids is b/c they're anti-fraud controls are alerting them to what appears to be fraud.

    There's a reason that there's only a handful of CPL programs out there, guys... The amount of fraud in this space is enormous. I can assure you that it's not Bobby's business model to sucker a bunch of affiliates to send traffic and then shave off half the CPL's just for the fun of it. If that were the case (I'm not saying that *noone* would do that -- just saying I know these guys pretty well.)

    These guys have 4 or 5 very sophisticated fraud detection mechanisms on every single lead that comes in. If they are triggered, then the lead is voided. (For instance, even if you send 100% Legitimate Traffic, if the user puts in a fake email, which ~many~ of them do, the system will detect it and void it. This is just one example. I'm not going to get into all of the various ways to detect and route out fraud since then the true fraudsters would know how to get around it.

    Are there *never* any 'false positives'? Is it a perfect system? Probably not. Nobody has a perfect system.

    That being said, I don't think an open forum is the best place to discuss this. Each affiliate's issue is going to be different.

    If you contact Clicksure, they will contact the advertiser, and the advertiser will send the exact reason why the leads were voided. In addition, it's not uncommon for the advertiser to re-instate the leads as valid, once they find out how the leads are generated. These guys do 10's of thousands of CPL leads per month.

    I've been in the CPA/CPL/CPC space for a *very long time*. There will always be a question one whether an advertiser is just being overprotective against fraud vs. an advertiser that unethically 'shaves' off sales.

    I know Bobby and his partner - they are honest, fair, and very smart. Put yourself in their shoes for a second... Having a CPL offer is literally like saying "hey fraudsters, I dare you to try to scam us out of some money".

    Contact Clicksure on this... work with them on the issue... ask *why* these have been voided... and ask them to ask the advertiser to look more deeply into this and please consider re-instating any leads possible.

    Harris Fellman
    http://TrafficForMe.com
    http://PayRamp.com
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanJohnson1
    it seems clicksure has responded...

    Most of the cost per lead offers reduced their total payouts to just $1 per lead...
    I'm sure there will be less voids, but technically also less revenue to be generated for
    affiliates who weren't experiencing a high number of voids.
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  • Profile picture of the author DayoS12
    This is right on point for me to discover. I did a google search for cpl offer to promote then I saw Clicksure, I was about to signup and start promoting cpls basically when I logged in here and saw this. Thank goodness, I might just stick to cpa then........
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    I promoted one of their 6 or 7 CPL offers and sent around 200 clicks from my list and did not get even one conversion! I know that's total BS because I promote other reputable CPL programs and make great conversions. IMO it's just someone who is using Clicksure to promote their offer but has no intention on paying out anyone who actually sends them good leads. I would avoid this affiliate network like the plague if I were you. I will never even log into that site ever again. It's a joke.
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  • Profile picture of the author GregHagar
    Here's a look at my CPL stats inside my Clicksure account.

    ALL of my leads were voided...



    These are all from my Aweber list of internet marketers, and I GEO-targeted the traffic to only include top-tier traffic. I sent out an email broadcast to my list using a highly targeted swipe.

    ... NO WAY are these leads I sent them fraudulent, and NO WAY should they have been voided.

    Here's the support ticket I filed to Clicksure:

    Can you please explain to me why in the week of 07-Aug-14 I generated 12 leads for $42 and all $42 were voided? These are legitimate top-tier leads from my double opt-in Aweber list that I generated through an email broadcast. Who is responsible for these voids, you or the vendor? Please investigate this on my behalf, and explain to me why this has happened because there is no way that all 12 of those leads should be voided.

    Lauren . - ClickSure Support:

    Hi

    The voiding of CPA commissions are controlled and processed by the Advertiser (owner of the product) and not ClickSure.

    Voids can be processed for a variety of reasons, in some cases it could be if the Advertiser feels the orders were fraudulent and purchased purely in-order to generate an affiliate commission or in other cases simply because of tracking problems where the Advertiser fired the tracking pixel to ClickSure incorrectly and as a result the order does not match up in their own payment processing account.

    Please note that voiding of commissions is done at the sole discretion of the Advertiser and ClickSure has no way of validating the legitimacy of voided actions, in particular when we do not process the credit card transaction for the Advertiser.

    We are simply providing the tracking technology for the Advertiser to run their campaign. Promoting CPA campaigns over RevShare Offers has a variety of benefits; inversely one of the risks of running a CPA campaign is that the control of validating commissions is passed from ClickSure onto the Advertiser.

    Feel free to promote RevShare offers in the future if you do not wish to bear this particular risk when promoting CPA Campaigns.

    Regards,
    Lauren

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    So basically, Clicksure does not have your back one bit when it comes to the vendor committing fraud.

    CPL AFFILIATES BEWARE
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    • Profile picture of the author emaillist
      the essential problem with clicksure is

      this program is unethical and profund immoral!
      how can clicksure promote 49 softwere for binary option ?
      all this softwere ( except may be 1 or 2) are scam softwere.
      what is morality of affiliates in promoting thos fake softwere?
      this is fundamental question ,
      what is ethical ?
      nothing.
      scam clicksure
      scam affiliates in promotion this aberration softwere.
      but the traders who buy this softwere are completely stupid people.
      2 milions dollars in six month.
      complete stupin man
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  • Profile picture of the author DarleneYoung
    It's really annoying to see legit company turning into something like this!
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  • Profile picture of the author MackSell
    No offence to anyone but 90% of the products listed on clicksure are just pure scams.So,You just want to make money selling or promoting garbage.So, Don't try to be rich by scamming others.Karma is a bitch!
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    • Profile picture of the author funkytim
      I love it when people use the term "no offense" right before they try to offend. Binary trading is pretty much gambling on the Internet. In my email blasts I say so. Here is the email I send out.

      "Dear (Name)

      Here is another binary trading site and here is the message they say I should send."[1] Shocking $378.19 in 92 seconds
      *******************************
      This is incredible... I am going to show YOU how $378.92 got made in less than 92 seconds, RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES! (My Link Here)


      I understand there are lots of Binary Signals products, but NONE and I mean NONE so far is as close to MyCashBot (MCB). MCB’s "set-n-profit" technique has had traders raving... They never show you how in the pitch video... So I guess this is lie #1 A) World’s first 100% automated trading app, however you can choose the profitability! B) 87% to 95% Profit Execution C) Executes at least 17 super accurate winning trades daily D) Trades only when the setup is confirmed by 7 proven to work strategies E) Uses Direct Market Algorithm for higher accuracy F) Identifies and executes trades in less than 92 seconds! If YOU are looking to make a little extra cash or earn job crushing $20,033.92 per month or even $31,419.15 monthly, MCB makes it possible for YOU!

      (My Link Here)

      These claims are not for the average user and you may not do as well.

      MCB does all the hard work for you so you can relax and enjoy profits. It analyzes market movement in micro mini second and crunches technical and fundamental data to execute winning trades with lethal precision... And... you don’t even need to move an inch... MCB does everything FOR YOU!
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      It goes on and gives my affiliate link a few more times. (My Link Here) My Cash Bot is a binary trading platform, e you sign up with them and then you get sent to a third party to pay. They are binary trader company. With these type of outfits, it's harder to get refunded because CLICKSURE OR CLICKBANK are not holding the money from the sale. If you feel ripped off, there is little action you can take where you will feel satisfied. Should you go here? I don't know. It's up to you. Binary trading is a lot like online roulette. It is possible to hit it big and then get out. If you stay in for the long haul, you'll most likely lose everything. Many people lose everything right away and then put more in to make up for their loss. (sound familiar?) They work on greed and the need to succeed. Or should I say the need to recoup your losses.

      So go try Binary Trading if you want. I'm not going to."


      I don't consider this scamming at all. I also have a clear unsubscribe link in my email and never send more than two blasts per product. I'm still trying to figure out the whole karma thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author cagwatson
      Originally Posted by Aashish Poonia View Post

      No offence to anyone but 90% of the products listed on clicksure are just pure scams.So,You just want to make money selling or promoting garbage.So, Don't try to be rich by scamming others.Karma is a bitch!
      Got to love the irony here. So regarding your signature, how many lives have you changed forever ?

      The real issue here isn't the offers themselves its the fact there appears to be fraud on the go.

      With that said I have actually just had my voids reversed by clicksure and due for payment next week. So to be fair they have now stepped in to resolve, but it shouldn't have been this painful. A lot of credibility has been lost too, so I'll move into other networks
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    i agree about clicksure: i started clicksure, cpl programs. after the sales were done. they cedit me .50 per lead. instead of the $2.50 i started with. they changed their terms midway.
    that will be the last clicksure product i ever promote
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    I also had more than 90% of CPLs worth about $600 voided by this same publisher.
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  • Profile picture of the author littlepandaman
    My Cash Bot also voided a ton of my CPAs.

    The other offers don't do that.

    So here's the solution: don't promote My Cash Bot. It's THAT simple. Promote the guys who don't void at such a high rate.
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  • Profile picture of the author coblephilip
    I couldn't even get approval from ClickSure, problems with my ID, etc. Good riddance. I've been promoting products from other companies ever since. Cashnetwork has been going pretty well for me for quite some time now...
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMichael1
    Basically Clicksure support says that when promoting CPA offers the advertiser is in control and they could void sales if they believe the sales page pixel fired by mistake. They also mention that if you wish not to have sales voided you may promote Rev Share since they have full control. I have made a short video on Facebook where I talk more about this: https://www.facebook.com/johnmichael...1445889546698/
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  • Profile picture of the author lailul17
    hello
    why is my account blocked? What did I do wrong? I promote the products of clicksure in real, I have all the evidence that I really - really promote the products clicksure. I want my account back on. thanks

    clicksure username = lailul17
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    • Originally Posted by lailul17 View Post

      hello
      why is my account blocked? What did I do wrong? I promote the products of clicksure in real, I have all the evidence that I really - really promote the products clicksure. I want my account back on. thanks

      clicksure username = lailul17

      Basically, I've been promoting through Clicksure and honestly they are the best in handling affiliate payments - unlike Clickbank. If you've been caught promoting the unnecessary way surely your account will be terminated and you will not get all your pending commissions. That's the penalty of what a LEGITIMATE marketplace has to offer to their clients.

      The best way to do is contact support for the possible reason about the problem. They will reply you promptly less than 24 hrs.

      The only thing needed to be a successful affiliate marketer is always follow the FTP Rules and Guidelines as an affiliate and never involve in spamming activity.
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  • Profile picture of the author ClickSure
    Hello lailul17,

    I have sent you a direct message regarding your account.

    Please do not hesitate to contact us again if you have any questions.

    Thanks,

    Dee
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