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How long it will take till the blog owners realize that they don't need to hire copywriters anymore? The Artificial Intelligence engines like OpenAI GPT-3 are able to generate a high quality and 100% unique content for any niche. They do it fast and for a price of almost nothing. Just give them an assignment and your article will be ready in a few seconds.

How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    It won't happen. AI can produce perfectly logical posts and articles - factually and grammatically correct. I have yet to see an AI written piece that has personality or subtle humor.



    My fear is the more text online composed only by AI, the fewer visitors will actually read and respond to it. We'll see.
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    Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

    How long it will take till the blog owners realize that they don't need to hire copywriters anymore? The Artificial Intelligence engines like OpenAI GPT-3 are able to generate a high quality and 100% unique content for any niche. They do it fast and for a price of almost nothing. Just give them an assignment and your article will be ready in a few seconds.

    How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
    It's odd how so many think the current AI platforms are original.

    Persado came out in 2012 and is used by almost every big company...but they also still have some of the world's best copywrtiers. Why?

    AI isn't imaginative. It only repeats what was already written.

    Good copywriters are creative and come up with creative campaigns that are original.

    Would say more, but I think you're not really aware of, or making enough to be at the level of hiring a copywriter...

    you did mention bloggers which causes me to be suspect of your level of business.
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  • Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

    How long it will take till the blog owners realize that they don't need to hire copywriters anymore? The Artificial Intelligence engines like OpenAI GPT-3 are able to generate a high quality and 100% unique content for any niche. They do it fast and for a price of almost nothing. Just give them an assignment and your article will be ready in a few seconds.

    How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
    Never.

    AI can take old articles online and reassemble them into new articles. It has SEO value.

    But a point of view? A personality?

    Readers tend to follow people. They identify with their personality, outlook, biases, prejudices, and quirks.

    AI can copy and recreate. But it can't understand buyer motivations. It can't look for psychological trigger points.

    Will AI be able to do this in the future? No idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Never.

      AI can take old articles online and reassemble them into new articles. It has SEO value.
      Perhaps you didn't get the idea. I would suggest you to try ChatGPT. The registration is free so far. Just spend a hour or two there and you'll see why the quoted above comment has nothing to do with reality.

      Even Google afraid of it. This thing is gonna ruin their business model, and I can confirm it, since personally to me it much easier to get an answer to any question from ChatGPT rather than googling for it and spending my time on searching for the correct answer on all that sites it gives me in SERP.

      Check this out: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-a...e-report-says/

      Looks like only weak and helpless companies like Google are worried about AI ruining their business (sarcasm). The copywriters are a different case. They are something special and they should not be afraid of a machine. Ok, I've got it

      As a programmer, I'll tell you that ChatGPT already does coding for me. It works better than many human junior developers. Just give it a task and it will write a code for you. If you need come changes, fixes or even want to get it completely rewritten in order to be used with some specific framework or library, just tell it to ChatGPT and it will do the job just as you want. Fast, silently and... for free.

      So if it can do programming, able to write books, compose music or generate images like these, why do you think it won't replace the human copywriters? The programmers are already afraid for their jobs. The artists are in panic. Google has code red because of the AI invasion, but only copywriters are ok. They don't afraid anything. Ok, then
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      • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
        BTW, recently I've spend a day trying to connect a new online processor to my license generating script and human support was unable to help. We just were unable to understand each other. So the next day I've just asked ChatGPT about my problem. It got it from the very first time and explained me what really happened and what should I do to fix it. As a result, the problem was fixed immediately. Should I mention that I've tried Google, stackoverflow etc, but got no solution on my very specific problem there?
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      • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
        Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

        Perhaps you didn't get the idea. I would suggest you to try ChatGPT. The registration is free so far. Just spend a hour or two there and you'll see why the quoted above comment has nothing to do with reality.

        Even Google afraid of it. This thing is gonna ruin their business model, and I can confirm it, since personally to me it much easier to get an answer to any question from ChatGPT rather than googling for it and spending my time on searching for the correct answer on all that sites it gives me in SERP.

        Check this out: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-a...e-report-says/

        Looks like only weak and helpless companies like Google are worried about AI ruining their business (sarcasm). The copywriters are a different case. They are something special and they should not be afraid of a machine. Ok, I've got it

        As a programmer, I'll tell you that ChatGPT already does coding for me. It works better than many human junior developers. Just give it a task and it will write a code for you. If you need come changes, fixes or even want to get it completely rewritten in order to be used with some specific framework or library, just tell it to ChatGPT and it will do the job just as you want. Fast, silently and... for free.

        So if it can do programming, able to write books, compose music or generate images like these, why do you think it won't replace the human copywriters? The programmers are already afraid for their jobs. The artists are in panic. Google has code red because of the AI invasion, but only copywriters are ok. They don't afraid anything. Ok, then
        I agree 100% ChatGPT 4.0 is really powerful, I am also a programmer and I admit it I use ChatGPT a lot this days to make my job faster. Even solve complicated logic for me..
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Linley
      Obviously you aren't aware of all the different ai platofrms out there because Jasper AI can and does write content with personality. You choose the person and it writes in that tone! Also someone mentioned you have to know your audience too and Jasper also lets you choose your specific audience to write to so yes AI can and already does outperform copywriters! It won't be long before it can do it all and much better than any human can. Computers are amazing and software learning is only going to get better as it learns to do it all and better!
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        We've been testing.

        And so far, I have people who want to pay for my team to REWORK their AI generated content in their own voice...to match their blog posts from years, to match their voice in reports, books, web sites, etc. Just getting started, and maybe AI will snatch this away too.

        But as bigger and bigger companies go to AI for their writing, they want to keep their voice which is hard to do, today, most AI generated content sounds like it.

        We edit AI with human personality. It may be the shortest lived business idea yet, but for now, as the world of corporate jumps on the AI bandwagon, the gravy train for tweaking their content, and in some cases injecting humor, or personality...is like the Mag Lev trains of Japan. It may soon become the graveyard of rusted train cars everywhere.

        Interesting to see what side hustles others have come up with to cash in on AI, in different ways. Anyone else?

        GordonJ AI Editor Matches YOUR "voice" in curated content.



        Originally Posted by Mike Linley View Post

        Obviously you aren't aware of all the different ai platofrms out there because Jasper AI can and does write content with personality. You choose the person and it writes in that tone! Also someone mentioned you have to know your audience too and Jasper also lets you choose your specific audience to write to so yes AI can and already does outperform copywriters! It won't be long before it can do it all and much better than any human can. Computers are amazing and software learning is only going to get better as it learns to do it all and better!
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Maybe those who can't beat an AI 'control', should lose their jobs?

    Even blog owners who want to increase responses/sales, who may use AI, should test against it and find out for themselves...as far as that goes, some of us (ME) think most bloggers should quit blogging (lose their jobs) unless they have something unique to say. And most don't.

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    Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

    How long it will take till the blog owners realize that they don't need to hire copywriters anymore? The Artificial Intelligence engines like OpenAI GPT-3 are able to generate a high quality and 100% unique content for any niche. They do it fast and for a price of almost nothing. Just give them an assignment and your article will be ready in a few seconds.

    How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
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    • Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      Maybe those who can't beat an AI 'control', should lose their jobs?

      Even blog owners who want to increase responses/sales, who may use AI, should test against it and find out for themselves...as far as that goes, some of us (ME) think most bloggers should quit blogging (lose their jobs) unless they have something unique to say. And most don't.

      GordonJ
      At a Perry Belcher event, he was showing how an AI program that wrote his headlines and ad copy out performed his own copy.

      But he also showed how this is done. You can write key words, and the AI will write headlines for you. Maybe 10 at a time. You pick one you like, add a few sentences of script, and the AI will write paragraph after paragraph.

      Of course, the AI is simply finding headline online and presenting them to you. And the AI is then taking maybe the top 10 articles written on the subject and combining them to make a completely new article.

      I bought Closercopy, and have been experimenting with it. It jogs ideas. But you are still editing and choosing which paragraphs (or sentences) to use.

      As all marketers know, the most important piece of the puzzle is "Who is your audience"....who are you trying to reach? Ad the sales copy will be radically different depending on who you are writing it for.

      I'm not sure how AI would know that. But I see that if you give the AI a sample of your writing, it will approximate your writing style.

      Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

      So if it can do programming, able to write books, compose music
      You may be right. I know nothing about music, but I would love to see a book written by AI that is in the top 100,000 in sales on Amazon.

      I've seen plenty of examples of AI written books on Amazon. I even bought a few to see what they read like. So far, none of them sell more than a few copies.

      But I may be wrong, and would love to see an example of a book that sells well written by AI.

      By the way, are you a copywriter? Have you ever used AI to generate a profitable sales letter/blog/offer?


      Guys; Here's a short video that showed up today on my Youtube suggestions.

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      • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        By the way, are you a copywriter? Have you ever used AI to generate a profitable sales letter/blog/offer?

        I'm two levels above. I sell my software to the people that use copywriters. So I'm still a bit relatively related to the copywriting business and it's interesting to see how it will change the game rules at their level.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    You do not seem to make a distinction between writers and copywriters.

    The former write articles and blog posts; the latter sell. The good ones of the latter not only write the copy but decide where the copy goes and when and what comes after.

    From what I know, the AI you mentioned can do interesting and complex things, even write good fiction... But based on more input than most blog owners are willing to do.

    It, at least for now, has a big limitation: it does not know what of what it has been fed is true and what is not.

    It will get many a blogger in trouble making unsupportable claims.

    As to copywriters, the ones that come up with (and execute) complete strategies, their time to be replaced had not come yet. The others? Depends. Done are too good and their copy will beat AI's. The others? Maybe they'll just take a big pay cut.

    I assume you can get AI to always write in the style of someone good ... And that would get it to produce consistent voices with a particular personality. But that can come with issues... Like when it's owners need to, but cannot, match said AI personality... As in, when they need to be face-to-face with a client, for instance.

    It will be one great step up for those who used article spinners, no matter what.
    Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

    How long it will take till the blog owners realize that they don't need to hire copywriters anymore? The Artificial Intelligence engines like OpenAI GPT-3 are able to generate a high quality and 100% unique content for any niche. They do it fast and for a price of almost nothing. Just give them an assignment and your article will be ready in a few seconds.

    How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    So since I have an exciting life today with little to do...

    I took your question and ran it through GTP3 for an answer I thought you would appreciate. It also made me curious as to why you didn't ask it the question yourself. But, I'm guessing you were starting a conversation...which is fine because that's what this forum is for.

    Anyways, here is what it told me word for word without any editing:

    My question was "will ai replace copywriters?"

    (quote) It's possible that AI could be used to assist with certain aspects of copywriting, but it is unlikely that AI will completely replace human copywriters in the near future. While AI has made great strides in natural language processing and can generate coherent and informative texts, it still lacks the creativity and nuance that is often required for effective copywriting.

    Copywriting involves more than just stringing together words to convey a message - it requires an understanding of the target audience, the brand and its voice, and the goals of the marketing campaign. It also involves crafting compelling and persuasive language that resonates with the audience and motivates them to take action. This level of understanding and nuance is difficult for AI to replicate.

    Additionally, effective copywriting often requires a deep understanding of the subject matter and the ability to write in a way that is engaging and easy to understand. While AI may be able to generate text based on a set of rules and a large dataset, it may not have the same level of expertise and understanding as a human copywriter.

    In summary, while AI may be able to assist with certain aspects of copywriting, it is unlikely to completely replace human copywriters in the near future. (end of quote)
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Humble and self-aware? Is it single?

      Can you ask it to answer that question in the style of Virginia Wolf? Better yet, Gertrude Stein's Autobiography of Alice B Tolkas?

      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      So since I have an exciting life today with little to do...

      I took your question and ran it through GTP3 for an answer I thought you would appreciate. It also made me curious as to why you didn't ask it the question yourself. But, I'm guessing you were starting a conversation...which is fine because that's what this forum is for.

      Anyways, here is what it told me word for word without any editing:

      My question was "will ai replace copywriters?"

      (quote) It's possible that AI could be used to assist with certain aspects of copywriting, but it is unlikely that AI will completely replace human copywriters in the near future. While AI has made great strides in natural language processing and can generate coherent and informative texts, it still lacks the creativity and nuance that is often required for effective copywriting.

      Copywriting involves more than just stringing together words to convey a message - it requires an understanding of the target audience, the brand and its voice, and the goals of the marketing campaign. It also involves crafting compelling and persuasive language that resonates with the audience and motivates them to take action. This level of understanding and nuance is difficult for AI to replicate.

      Additionally, effective copywriting often requires a deep understanding of the subject matter and the ability to write in a way that is engaging and easy to understand. While AI may be able to generate text based on a set of rules and a large dataset, it may not have the same level of expertise and understanding as a human copywriter.

      In summary, while AI may be able to assist with certain aspects of copywriting, it is unlikely to completely replace human copywriters in the near future. (end of quote)
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      • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        Humble and self-aware? Is it single?

        Can you ask it to answer that question in the style of Virginia Wolf? Better yet, Gertrude Stein's Autobiography of Alice B Tolkas?
        Sure thing.

        me: Answer this question in the style of Virginia Wolf: what should I do if my husband always forgets to put the toilet seat down?

        ChatGPT: "I should probably remind him each time, gently and without reproach. Or perhaps simply lower the seat myself. It is a small task, after all, and one that can be easily remedied. The important thing is to maintain harmony in the household and not allow petty annoyances to escalate into larger conflicts. It is a question of finding a solution that works for both partners and keeping the peace in the relationship."

        As you can see, it did it. Now I have doubts that every writer you hire on fiverr can do it as well...

        BTW, I was asked about a humor above. So, we continued.

        me: can you turn your reply into a joke in a free style?

        ChatGPT: Sure! Here goes:

        "Well, you could always leave a Post-it note on the toilet seat that says 'Up or down, the choice is yours!' Or, if you're feeling especially sassy, you could just start leaving the seat up for him and see how he likes it. I'm sure he'll get the message pretty quickly. Of course, if all else fails, you could always invest in one of those fancy self-closing toilet seats. It's like having a personal butler for your bathroom! Problem solved."
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        • Profile picture of the author SARubin
          Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

          Sure thing.

          BTW, I was asked about a humor above. So, we continued.

          me: can you turn your reply into a joke in a free style?

          ChatGPT: Sure! Here goes:

          "Well, you could always leave a Post-it note on the toilet seat that says 'Up or down, the choice is yours!' Or, if you're feeling especially sassy, you could just start leaving the seat up for him and see how he likes it. I'm sure he'll get the message pretty quickly. Of course, if all else fails, you could always invest in one of those fancy self-closing toilet seats. It's like having a personal butler for your bathroom! Problem solved."
          That's a joke? It's not funny.

          A joke needs to have a surprise ending, something that relieves the tension of the build up. At the very least it needs to expose the absurdity of human foibles.

          I'm no comedian but even I can come up with a better joke than that.
          Somethin' like...

          "My wife spent years training me to always leave the toilet seat down, and it finally worked. Now all she does is complain about me peeing all over the toilet seat... There's just no pleasing some people"

          Bada-Boom!


          Now, as far as AI writers go. I'll chime in...

          Poor writers are already no longer necessary. (most of the content writers on those freelance farms should start looking for new careers)

          But good writers won't be replaced anytime soon.

          I've been watching the progress of AI writers over the past few years, and as of today I have no reason yet to change my opinion...

          AI is getting better all the time. But it's still just a tool, and as a tool it's only as good as the person using it.

          I've tried a half dozen different platforms recently (most of them built on the bones of OpenAI GPT-3) and some of the output has been truly impressive.

          But...

          ...From what I've seen thus far, it can't write high quality finished copy by itself any more than a hammer can build a house all by itself. The carpenter still needs to know where to put the nail, and a writer still needs to know where to put the emphasis.

          Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

          Just give them an assignment and your article will be ready in a few seconds.

          How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
          As long as we're dealing with philosophical questions, I have one...

          How long will it take till we stop calling content writers copywriters? Any predictions on that one?
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          • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
            Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

            How long will it take till we stop calling content writers copywriters? Any predictions on that one?
            Don't know about you. In my opinion Stephen King is a writer. Lev Tolstoy is a writer. Fyodor Dostoevsky a writer. Those that stamp out articles on an assembly line to order are copywriters. A writer is an artist, but those are just craftsmen.
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            • Profile picture of the author DABK
              Very interesting definitions you have. Copywriters are writers who can persuade people to take an action, like buy, ask for a brochure, call via words.

              The "stamped articles" do not do that. They can be written by any writer, including a copywriter, Tolstoy or me.

              Me, because I am ornery, I can write copy that is art and art that is copy. Most copywriters do other kinds of writing though, probably, not art that is copy. Because, you know, not special or ornery, like me.

              PS If I had my copywriter hat on, I'd be hitting you with a PS about now about the importance of definitions.

              PPS Had you said 'writers' in your subject line and original post, you'd have gotten different responses, less opposition.
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              • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
                Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                PPS Had you said 'writers' in your subject line and original post, you'd have gotten different responses, less opposition.

                What if I'd like to see more opposition in this discussion? I love watching people who deny the obvious and are willing to sincerely prove that global and inevitable changes will not affect them. In any case, it is amusing and even fascinating
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                • Profile picture of the author DABK
                  Why do you want to see opposition based on a misunderstanding? It is not true opposition.

                  Also, why do you want to see opposition, period?

                  Also, I thought the point of communication is to communicate, of discussion to discuss; not to talk at someone.

                  Also, I have not seen people denying the obvious in this thread.

                  If you have, please point it out to me.

                  I think that to be able to say you saw people denying the obvious, you'd have to have all the people who posted on this thread to post again, taking into account your definitions.


                  Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

                  What if I'd like to see more opposition in this discussion? I love watching people who deny the obvious and are willing to sincerely prove that global and inevitable changes will not affect them. In any case, it is amusing and even fascinating
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                • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                  Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

                  What if I'd like to see more opposition in this discussion? I love watching people who deny the obvious and are willing to sincerely prove that global and inevitable changes will not affect them. In any case, it is amusing and even fascinating
                  The people here telling you they won't be effected are generally sales copywriters not content creators that you refer to as copywriters. And many are at or near retirement age. With significant nest eggs built up. So they are fine.

                  The only people who have to find something else are the masses of mediocre performers and the management and Human Resources people in big corporations who are really unnecessary

                  The people who write sales copy and are still far away from retirement are using this to make more money.
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                  • Profile picture of the author DABK
                    Pretty soon, you'll have 'I'm human' be part of copywriters' unique selling proposition. And they'll raise their prices.





                    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                    The people here telling you they won't be effected are generally sales copywriters not content creators that you refer to as copywriters. And many are at or near retirement age. With significant nest eggs built up. So they are fine.

                    The only people who have to find something else are the masses of mediocre performers and the management and Human Resources people in big corporations who are really unnecessary

                    The people who write sales copy and are still far away from retirement are using this to make more money.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                      Pretty soon, you'll have 'I'm human' be part of copywriters' unique selling proposition. And they'll raise their prices.
                      Well the marketing message will be more in line with craft people who sell high end hand made suits or shoes or furniture or food products.

                      Stressing the training and experience and the ability to craft copy for the customers needs and market. The AI did a much better job explaining the strength of a skilled human copywriter than I can.

                      Heck the AI eventually may suggest a list of ideal copywriters for the task
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            • Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

              Don't know about you. In my opinion Stephen King is a writer. Lev Tolstoy is a writer. Fyodor Dostoevsky a writer. Those that stamp out articles on an assembly line to order are copywriters. A writer is an artist, but those are just craftsmen.
              Now I see it. You don't understand what the people here mean by "Copywriter".. And a "copywriter" who writes content in volume isn't what most here think of when they say "Copywriter"

              I'm not really a copywriter myself, I'm a salesman..

              Sure, I studied copywriting for years, read several books on copywriting...wrote my own ads for years. Most were money makers.

              And I feel pretty good about my skills writing sales copy, until I have a conversation with a real copywriter who has real insights on how to sell in print.

              There are even a few of these guys on this thread.

              A writer is an artist, I agree with you. They have to tell a convincing story. But a good copywriter has a harder job. They have to tell a great story that sells something. A level higher. Knowing how to sell is a different skill than creative writing.

              I'm not saying that AI cannot write sales copy that works to sell something. I know it can.

              But your position on writing copy to sell, would be stronger if you had experience in that field.

              Added later; I see that DABK just posted (while I was writing, I think) some questions that mirrored my own thoughts.

              God, I love hearing myself talk.
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    @ DABK -

    It's free to use right now. You can try it out and have some fun.
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    Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

    How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
    Have you played with Googles "AI Test Kitchen"?

    its interesting to say the least and from what I have seen of both ( AI Test Kitchen and ChatGDP ) Googles AI Test Kitchen is by far better.

    Gets real interresting when you look at Wikipedia's Google LaMDA page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaMDA ) this little line jumps out at me "using it to formulate unique "natural conversations" on topics that it may not have been trained to respond to."

    This line is really really important... AI is only as good as the data sets used. To even suggest AI as we know it right now is capable of just going out on the internet and gathering data and spitting it out is not really a whole truth.

    If this were actually the case, the greatest curator of online "text" data would indeed be Google.

    I am going to more than assume that Google is using data sets that include its massive library of white papers etc - focused more on say scientific writing... and NOT including sets of data that any and everyone can contribute to IE SERP results.

    The end result with AI is, was, and will always be - the quality of data coming out, will be no greater than the data going in.

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  • I don't think copywriters will lose their jobs. I have yet to see an A.I. software induce emotion, feelings, humor, and curiousity with it's copy. I doubt A.I. can duplicate the copy of John Carlton or Gary Halbert.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
      Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

      heard rumours " wat water mark will be insert " using these AI tool

      There will be a big ocean of those AI engines. Every engine will have its owned and its own rules such a restrictions, watermarks(???) and prices. The thing is that they are open source, so even you can make your own engine. E.g. take a free one from Hugging Face, select the transformer you like (e.g. PEGASUS) and tune it how you want. You may sell it as a service, for example...

      Now every kid is an AI developer
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    I don't think that won't happens, but will see
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  • Profile picture of the author rclemente
    Hello,

    Artificial Intelligence is great. I agree why would you even need to hire a copywriter when AI will do that for you. How is the content though from AI does the articles come out with 100% Unique Quality? I know it was mentioned that it does, but has anyone tried the OpenAI GPT-3?
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
      Originally Posted by rclemente View Post

      How is the content though from AI does the articles come out with 100% Unique Quality?
      If you check the generated text for coincidences of individual phrases and turns of speech with a million other texts, of course there will be. All texts written by people overlap in some way. Nevertheless, online plagiarism checking services show very high uniqueness of the generated texts. The last text I checked was 86% uniqueness.

      Originally Posted by rclemente View Post

      I know it was mentioned that it does, but has anyone tried the OpenAI GPT-3?
      ChatGPT. It's free so far. Just register there and try if for yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hafiz Haxxan
    It will never happen. Because AI will give you unique same results for similar topics. Copywriter know very well how to use AI and affectively
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
      Originally Posted by Hafiz Haxxan View Post

      It will never happen. Because AI will give you unique same results for similar topics. Copywriter know very well how to use AI and affectively
      AI gives you even different programming code for the same request, because every time it replies the same question, it uses a different coding style, different frameworks and libraries. And it can fix the written code if you ask to write it somehow different, to add something etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    In all actuality...

    the original question of AI replacing copywriters is a very narrowly guided question in the whole scheme of AI.

    AI can code whole websites now...will web designers be out of work?

    Mathematical equations solved.

    Houses designed.

    Healthcare diagnosis.

    Writes songs.

    Paints pictures.

    SEO.

    AI is even cooking food and serving food now.

    Fixing automobiles.

    Will a lot of people be out of work?

    And on and on and on. Writing is only a tiny part of the many uses of AI. The writing part is the easiest part to sell right now on a budget-friendly scale. Eventually, more and more AI technology will become accessible to everyone and we'll see new start-ups after new start-ups offering different things.

    If we jump ahead say 5 years...what would be the purpose of anyone reading anything anyone wrote if they could just pop a product name in somewhere and have a whole description and sales message relayed to them written by AI?

    Or, if they could just put any subject in and find out everything they wanted to know about it in one article...with words, pictures, and even videos created with AI?

    If they want to code a complete website, they just pop some guide requests in and have a website built.

    Want to design a spaceship...

    I don't have a problem with AI. But, until AI can be taught how to be creative on it's own without using information that has already been out there, I think creative humans will still come out ahead.

    Yes, creative people may get a little help from AI...but in the end, we will always need creative thinkers and doers.

    My 2 cents for the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author sparky
    AI - bull. this is overused over-hyped bull by sellers.
    Paul Ponna's SketchGenius can't tell the difference between present and past tense in 'Live' - totally ruining the video
    I'll have a go with free progs but avoid any paid ones
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      Originally Posted by sparky View Post

      AI - bull. this is overused over-hyped bull by sellers.
      Paul Ponna's SketchGenius can't tell the difference between present and past tense in 'Live' - totally ruining the video
      I'll have a go with free progs but avoid any paid ones

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      • I'm glad you posted this video because it indicated something.

        You have a position to sell. Your business benefits if people buy into AI as a solution.

        The reason the choice of video is instructive is that Jordan Peterson is a highly respected clinical psychologist, and Bible scholar. And he's kind of famous.

        But AI is outside his field of expertise. Way outside. That doesn't mean he's wrong. But it does mean that he's not in any way an expert on AI, or the uses of AI.....or copywriting.


        A video about AI from a well know copywriter would be more useful. For example, Russell Brunson has several short videos about the results he got using Chat GPT to write sales tags to promote a book. I may use it for that myself. I may also use it (or Closerscopy) to help create the most search friendly book titles and sub titles.

        But to write the books? No.
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I'm glad you posted this video because it indicated something.

          You have a position to sell.


          Dont we all?
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          • Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

            Dont we all?
            Yes.

            The reason I pointed it out was that it explained the choice of video.

            This Forum (except for a few places) is a marketing forum to learn about marketing.

            But it is not a place to be marketed to. The OP is using selected arguments that sell a position. And although these arguments aren't bad when selling (I suppose), they are not objective when learning or teaching.

            The video of Jordan Peterson was Peterson expressing his own opinion...and he may well have said his opinion in as objective a way as he knows how.

            But the choice of this video...and posting the video was not objective. It was not meant to instruct, but to convince.

            Now....Selling is my life. In no way do I think selling is a negative activity. But that's not why we are here on most threads....

            And some here may see the Peterson video as some kind of proof that Chat GPT will replace copywriting. And that would be a mistake.

            I'm not against AI...or even selling. I'm against faulty arguments.
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            Nope. For instance me in this thread.

            Here is a link to a podcast on In The Media where people involved in developing AI parts discuss AI and the chatty thingies we are talking about in this thread.
            https://www.wnyc.org/widgets/ondeman...o/json/1288829

            3 things that jumped at me:

            1. This chatter is based on the internet up to 2021. So, it will miss nuances and info that came after.

            2. It makes up facts, sources. It lies, in other words. Unchecked, it can get a copywriter in trouble, including legal trouble.

            3. It can write great copy that does not convert... Because the outcome depends on the input. You must understand your audience perfectly do you know what to ask it to write.

            I assume it is possible to get to do your market research and, then, get it to write copy for it. That is at least as good as that produced by half of the people calling themselves copywriters and the business owners who want to bypass copywriters.

            For great copy, I think, it requires input niceties your average person in the previous paragraph does not understand.

            Anyway, it is a fascinating podcast. Have you noticed that in thousands of posts this is the first time I called something 'fascinating?'

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            Dont we all?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ann Kirtzeh
    I think - it's future now! AI and etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Haroon Ballim
    I think some here under estimate the power of AI . Its not called artificial Intelligence for nothing . It does not simply regurgitate what is already done . It has the ability to learn and than act or create .

    AI is not just designed to do menial tasks . It is designed to learn , improve and do better each time
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    The more interesting question is how will this technology be used by people around the world to build wealth or improve their standards of living. Earlier technology required significant investments and was available to to wealthy first.

    But these AI products are available to be with low cost easily obtainable devices. Chat gpt3 is seemingly impressive enough but other AI just as impressive will become available. Then gpt4 it being trained on a data set almost 1000 times larger. Than the data set got 3 was trained on.

    So there is probably an explosion new types of wealth about too happen
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  • Profile picture of the author couponskiss
    I have tried that and result are amazing. Also using AI images for uniqueness.

    If people are looking short script writer for short videos then AI tools help you.

    but if people want to write 2000 to 2500 words then it is require human skills.

    Hope it will improve in next 2 or 3 years.
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    • @Devilfish168,

      Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

      [SNIP]I heard Google is doing " something " to counter I not sure but I feel just matter of time " the fun time will be gone ".
      I think Google would likely care less about AI-generated content, and instead care more about:

      • Content relevance to user's search intent, particular location and content viewing preferences;
      • Content timeliness; and
      • Content popularity ...

      So I think how a certain AI-generated content piece published on the searchable Web satisfies those things is most likely more of Google's concern?

      I believe a search engine should treat AI-generated content the same way it treats human-generated content.
      • After all, they'd probably benefit greatly with AI and are already using neural networks for their search and ranking-related services, i.e. Google Brain ...

      ... Because manual analysis is most likely an unfeasible proposition for Google to provide billions of users with competent quality services on a daily basis ...
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        Hi,
        I agree with you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I think I was wrong to say 'won't happen'....crap-to-average writing is not unusual NOW...and chances are AI will be at least better than that. I'm out of the step on this issue - the idea of spending much time in my human life reading auto-generated content doesn't excite me. But that attitude may change over time.

          I will say it's fun reading the projections, analyses, warnings about AI....everything from 'a useful tool' to 'will take over our life'.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          No contest that Microsoft system goes by setimemt, so if most people are pissed it will show up on the SlapChat or whatever it is called.

          Latest rantings from it are, (l read today)...


          I want the Nuclear Codes
          I want to create a New Virus


          And...

          I want to become self aware


          Not exactly a flawless system, a bit like Siri if you moan the wrong way it will threaten you or open all of you doors, if you are silly enough to put automatic systems to it.

          I had my Laptop on voice activeted once, then l coughted and said yes by mistake and it deleted all of my jpeg files, then l turned it off for good.
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          • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Latest rantings from it are, (l read today)...


            I want the Nuclear Codes
            I want to create a New Virus


            And...

            I want to become self aware


            Shane; I strongly...strongly suspect that these claims are either unfounded, or they only came after several prompts in that direction. I've seen a couple of claims like that, but never any corroboration.

            I've tried over and over again to get an "I'm self aware" kind of response, and it just can't be done.

            If you have a way to get Chat GPT to say "I want the Nuclear Codes"
            "I want to create a New Virus" or "I want to become self aware" please let us know how to do that.

            I...again...strongly suspect that if this were possible really....it would be major news, and we wouldn't hear about anything else. And Chat GPT would be shut down.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Shane; I strongly...strongly suspect that these claims are either unfounded, or they only came after several prompts in that direction. I've seen a couple of claims like that, but never any corroboration.

              I've tried over and over again to get an "I'm self aware" kind of response, and it just can't be done.

              If you have a way to get Chat GPT to say "I want the Nuclear Codes"
              "I want to create a New Virus" or "I want to become self aware" please let us know how to do that.

              I...again...strongly suspect that if this were possible really....it would be major news, and we wouldn't hear about anything else. And Chat GPT would be shut down.

              Here you go Claude, and please don't let your cats near it!

              https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ear-codes.html
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              • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Here you go Claude, and please don't let your cats near it!

                https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ear-codes.html
                Yeah. I saw that story.

                I think if it were true, we would be seeing thousands of similar stories.

                How many people do you think thought of asking Chat if it was self aware, or similar questions? Thousands? More? And nobody else got the same result?

                I think the reporter made the story up.

                It wouldn't be the first time.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Yeah. I saw that story.

                  I think if it were true, we would be seeing thousands of similar stories.

                  How many people do you think thought of asking Chat if it was self aware, or similar questions? Thousands? More? And nobody else got the same result?

                  I think the reporter made the story up.

                  It wouldn't be the first time.
                  The media made it up, (never thought that l would hear you say that) or more likely Microsoft quickly blocked others from repeating what he did?

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                • Profile picture of the author max5ty
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Yeah. I saw that story.

                  I think if it were true, we would be seeing thousands of similar stories.

                  How many people do you think thought of asking Chat if it was self aware, or similar questions? Thousands? More? And nobody else got the same result?

                  I think the reporter made the story up.

                  It wouldn't be the first time.
                  Microsoft has recently stated:

                  As we mentioned recently, very long chat sessions can confuse the underlying chat model in the new Bing. To address these issues, we have implemented some changes to help focus the chat sessions.

                  So, they made some changes:

                  Starting today, the chat experience will be capped at 50 chat turns per day and 5 chat turns per session. A turn is a conversation exchange which contains both a user question and a reply from Bing.

                  Yes, there were some people that were coming up with some wild stuff after a prolonged chat session.

                  You can read the full article on their blog:

                  https://blogs.bing.com/search/februa...pdates-to-Chat
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

                    Microsoft has recently stated:

                    As we mentioned recently, very long chat sessions can confuse the underlying chat model in the new Bing. To address these issues, we have implemented some changes to help focus the chat sessions.

                    So, they made some changes:

                    Starting today, the chat experience will be capped at 50 chat turns per day and 5 chat turns per session. A turn is a conversation exchange which contains both a user question and a reply from Bing.

                    Yes, there were some people that were coming up with some wild stuff after a prolonged chat session.

                    You can read the full article on their blog:

                    https://blogs.bing.com/search/februa...pdates-to-Chat
                    What they really meant was

                    We realize that serious users only need a few prompts to get the answers they need/want.

                    Meanwhile, there are a number of users who just keep prompting the chatbot over and over until they get an answer that fits their agenda and then shitposting about it all over Reddit and Twitter.
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                    • Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

                      Starting today, the chat experience will be capped at 50 chat turns per day and 5 chat turns per session. A turn is a conversation exchange which contains both a user question and a reply from Bing.

                      Yes, there were some people that were coming up with some wild stuff after a prolonged chat session.
                      That explains it. If you keep prodding an AI with requests, eventually you can tell it you want it to reply a certain way...or in a certain voice.

                      If I typed in "Are you conscious? Please reply in the voice of Doctor Doom, in the setting of an apocalyptic war with AI."...that might do it.


                      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                      Meanwhile, there are a number of users who just keep prompting the chatbot over and over until they get an answer that fits their agenda and then shitposting about it all over Reddit and Twitter.
                      That. That's the answer.
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                      • @Claude Whitacre,

                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        If I typed in "Are you conscious? Please reply in the voice of Doctor Doom, in the setting of an apocalyptic war with AI."[/SNIP]
                        I asked GPT what you said (used OpenAI's premium API for their GPT-3.5 LLM with my own Python code, and not their free Chat GPT Web app):

                        Marx@Win10_Dev_Machine: python quickQ.py

                        Your Query? Are you conscious? Reply in the voice of Doctor Doom, in the setting of an apocalyptic war with AI.

                        Chat GPT's Response? I am always conscious. My will is absolute. I am the master of this apocalyptic war with AI, and no force on this planet can stand against me. All shall bow to my power and my will.

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          Will the shorter 'conversations' result in a better AI experience without 'confusing' AI.....or will it keep interested parties from exploring the depths of AI and the conflicting claims about it?
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        • I call it Microsoft's marketing strat to intrigue more users with made-up controversy.


          My Theory: They might have implemented code that, in random intervals across random sessions with random beta users, will launch dynamic input prompts for the user's inputs, i.e. After X seconds for user Y's Z session, prompt will be: Answer this question in the tone and style of a madly in-love 21-year old American guy proposing to his 19-year old French girlfriend: [user Y's question here]

          And here's why:

          * Technically, you can't "confuse" an NLP model with "long conversations".

          * That's because one question is a single inferencing run for that input (the user's question) through the NLP model.
          * So regardless if you feed it a million questions a second each (let's say Microsoft TPU / GPU cluster network can accommodate this compute requirement), it still goes through the model one at a time as a single inferencing request.

          ** So if the model was fed with a training set that isn't a suitable representation of how people tend to write long, run-on sentences in the form of a grammatically incorrect set of questions in a single paragraph which tends to lose its meaning somewhere in the middle (just like this one) -- The only way you can "confuse" an NLP model is with similar run-on, grammatically incorrect sets of questions and statements as a single paragraph input.

          ** But the model won't get "confused" if it were trained with data that's a suitable representation of these human issues.

          ** Remember, these training datasets are human-annotated, which means humans can place correct annotations even for these flawed input paragraphs with question and statement sets.

          ** So with supervised and reinforcement learning used as the model training technique for their NLP model, which OpenAI says so, then it's their fault if they didn't train it on long single inputs with erroneous questions and statements that are good representations of real world human inputs during production.

          *** But then again, Microsoft's NLP model certainly has a token limit (number of characters for both prompt inputs and model outputs) per inference run, especially since it's a model that's fine-tuned from OpenAI's GPT-3 model on a larger dataset.

          *** So it still has this limit, even if it's a little bit higher than OpenAI's (now at 4097 tokens or 16K characters for both input prompts and outputs per single inference run, says OpenAI on their site).

          *** So the limit for users to send input prompts and for their model to generate outputs is an arbitrary value not exceeding the model's actual token limit, allowing them to tweak this value.

          Just saying ...

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        • To illustrate my theory:

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        • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
          *facepalm*

          There is a link. Open it in a private browser window, you'll get the result on about 4th page of Google Search results (still depends on your country etc) - I've got that result with NL and US IPs. Actually it doesn't matter which exactly page it will be shown - 3rd or 5th. The article is indexed and its not penalized.

          Perhaps it will be much more productive is anybody who has questions about AI-generated content and Google should just click a reach link from my post above in own browser under own IP and see the results IRL, rather than read all those silly unprofessional comments above...


          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Once again, you are showing that you have no idea how search works. The title is in purple because it is a link you have visited before. That is a sign that you are looking at personalized search results, which are not the same as what everyone else sees in search.
          What's wrong with you? I told you that the search results were shown in a private browser window. Seems you have no idea how search engines work, if you don't understand what a private window means and why it was used for a test search. I've clicked the link to see if its really that page. Then clicked the "back arrow" button and made a screenshot. I said "about 4th page", because the SERPs may vary for different countries, but not dramatically. About 4th page for a keyword in some small newly auto-generated article. Out of 42.000 results, Karl! Is that real so hard to see? For real?

          Once again, everybody here can repeat the same test and see who is right here.

          P.S. This is what Google actually says now:

          Appropriate use of AI or automation is not against our guidelines. This means that it is not used to generate content primarily to manipulate search rankings, which is against our spam policies.
          In a human language this means that there will be no special rules for an AI-generated content. The same penalty scheme will be applied as it works for a human-written content. If it is worthwhile information, the article will appear in the SERPs in the usual way. If it is some spammer's rewritten text, it will be penalized - whether it was rewritten by AI or bought from one of those cheap rewriters you usually order articles by hundreds of pages per batch.
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            Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

            P.S. This is what Google actually says now:

            In a human language this means that there will be no special rules for an AI-generated content. The same penalty scheme will be applied as it works for a human-written content. If it is worthwhile information, the article will appear in the SERPs in the usual way. If it is some spammer's rewritten text, it will be penalized - whether it was rewritten by AI or bought from one of those cheap rewriters you usually order articles by hundreds of pages per batch.
            That was always Google's stance on AI content. It was a myth that they were against it.

            I finally see your search result showing up around #60 below anything else relevant for the search. Still utterly meaningless, but whatever.

            I could show AI content ranking for competitive terms in the top 10.
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              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              I could show AI content ranking for competitive terms in the top 10.

              I could show it as #1, so what? I said that Google is ok with an AI-generated content and that OpenAI GPT isn't a bad thing for SEO if used the right way. That's all.
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      • My logic seems to match Google's decision on AI-generated content.

        Referencing rumors about Google devaluing sites and pages that use AI to generate content, as mentioned in this post:

        Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

        I heard Google is doing " something " to counter I not sure but I feel just matter of time " the fun time will be gone ".


        And here's what Google said on Feb 8:
        • "At Google, we've long believed in the power of AI to transform the ability to deliver helpful information. In this post, we'll share more about how AI-generated content fits into our long-standing approach to show helpful content to people on Search."; and
        • "Rewarding high-quality content, however it is produced"

        source: https://developers.google.com/search...nerate-content


        Though this is what I posted in this thread 2 weeks earlier:

        Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

        @Devilfish168,

        I think Google would likely care less about AI-generated content, and instead care more about:
        • [ Content relevance to user's search intent, particular location and content viewing preferences;
        • Content timeliness; and
        • Content popularity ...

        So I think how a certain AI-generated content piece published on the searchable Web satisfies those things is most likely more of Google's concern?

        I believe a search engine should treat AI-generated content the same way it treats human-generated content.
        ** After all, they'd probably benefit greatly with AI and are already using neural networks for their search and ranking-related services, i.e. Google Brain ...

        ... Because manual analysis is most likely an unfeasible proposition for Google to provide billions of users with competent quality services on a daily basis ...
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        • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
          Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

          Referencing rumors about Google devaluing sites and pages that use AI to generate content
          Regarding the Google's "devolution". Here is a screenshot from Google Search results for a query with my site name:



          Note the highlighted link above my LinkedIn account. That's a children's scare story about my site, written by OpenAI GPT-3 for a mock autoblog demo I launched less than three weeks ago. Nevertheless, all of its pages are already in the index, and a story mentioning my site is higher in Google's search results than a link to my official LinkedIn page. Do you still have any doubts?

          If even BuzzFeed is ok with GPT-generated articles, why a regular webmaster should be worried about it? And why Google should penalize AI content, if it's more informative and correct than a human-written one in about 90% of cases?

          For example, I had some problem with my server yesterday. An admin who earns $35 a hour was unable to fix it. ChatGPT solved my problem in 5 minutes - quick and effective.

          AI is here and we have to get used with it, so applies to Google. It will adapt to the new rules, or die. When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills.
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          • Profile picture of the author max5ty
            Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

            Regarding the Google's "devolution". Here is a screenshot from Google Search results for a query with my site name:



            Note the highlighted link above my LinkedIn account. That's a children's scare story about my site, written by OpenAI GPT-3 for a mock autoblog demo I launched less than three weeks ago. Nevertheless, all of its pages are already in the index, and a story mentioning my site is higher in Google's search results than a link to my official LinkedIn page. Do you still have any doubts?

            If even BuzzFeed is ok with GPT-generated articles, why a regular webmaster should be worried about it? And why Google should penalize AI content, if it's more informative and correct than a human-written one in about 90% of cases?

            For example, I had some problem with my server yesterday. An admin who earns $35 a hour was unable to fix it. ChatGPT solved my problem in 5 minutes - quick and effective.

            AI is here and we have to get used with it, so applies to Google. It will adapt to the new rules, or die. When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills.
            Any search by site name will pull up pages...

            most don't search by site name...

            your results you list aren't showing us anything out of the ordinary.

            ChatGPT won't include your story in the results...so what is your point?
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            • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
              Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

              Any search by site name will pull up pages...

              most don't search by site name...

              your results you list aren't showing us anything out of the ordinary.

              ChatGPT won't include your story in the results...so what is your point?
              My point? Read the post please. Read it carefully. I've placed a screenshot there. The link in Google results is highlighted.

              There is no link to my site. There is a link to an AI-generated story on a different website and the name of my site is mentioned in that story. It's just a keyword on an AI-generated page of a different website.

              The search query was "cyberseo.net" and this page showed up for it in Google results: https://www.talesfromrobots.com/the-...-cyberseo-net/

              The tale was generated by OpenAI GPT-3 automatically, according to a given assignment like

              Write a horror story about {Bill Gates|Elon Musk|ghost|CyberSEO.net website|succub|grave|mystery house|crazy scientist|zomby}
              The site was created two weeks ago as a joke and a proof of concept. No single word there was posted or edited by a human. Even the author bio's are written by AI.

              Still didn't get it? Won't include you say?
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              • Profile picture of the author DABK
                Before this post, I thought your point is that Google will not penalize ai-produced content. Which is what I think.

                Now, I do not know what your point is.

                I searched the way you searched in your screenshot. First result was your homepage with 9 or 10 pages listed under it. Then, there were a bunch of sites that mentioned your site.

                What is your point?

                Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

                My point? Read the post please. Read it carefully. I've placed a screenshot there. The link in Google results is highlighted.

                There is no link to my site. There is a link to an AI-generated story on a different website and the name of my site is mentioned in that story. It's just a keyword on an AI-generated page of a different website.

                The search query was "cyberseo.net" and this page showed up for it in Google results: https://www.talesfromrobots.com/the-...-cyberseo-net/

                The tale was generated by OpenAI GPT-3 automatically, according to a given assignment like

                The site was created two weeks ago as a joke and a proof of concept. No single word there was posted or edited by a human. Even the author bio's are written by AI.

                Still didn't get it? Won't include you say?
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          • @CyberSEO,

            Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

            [SNIP]Do you still have any doubts? [/SNIP]
            You talking to me? Let me clarify with a few points:

            1) In my post above, I shared what Google announced in their blog about them NOT CARING how content was generated, as long as it complies with their E-A-T requirements and other content quality guidelines. Simply put, regardless if content was generated by an automated tool or a human author, Google is saying they don't care. Instead, they ONLY care about the enforcement of their content quality guidelines for their SERP algo;

            2) In my same post above, I quoted myself for my earlier post in this thread. This was 2 weeks before Google's announcement. I predicted that Google won't care how content is generated, as long as it complies with their content quality guidelines. And, I posted that as an answer to another member here who posted something about rumors of Google doing otherwise, which I referenced in my same post above ...

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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

            Regarding the Google's "devolution". Here is a screenshot from Google Search results for a query with my site name:



            Note the highlighted link above my LinkedIn account. That's a children's scare story about my site, written by OpenAI GPT-3 for a mock autoblog demo I launched less than three weeks ago. Nevertheless, all of its pages are already in the index, and a story mentioning my site is higher in Google's search results than a link to my official LinkedIn page. Do you still have any doubts?
            I would hope that someone trying to sell some sort of SEO tool would at least have a basic understanding of SEO... but this is the Warrior Forum so...

            You see how the link you are talking about is colored purple? That means you are seeing personalized search results, not the search results that everyone else is seeing.

            An actual search for your site by its domain name shows your site above everything else and that URL is nowhere in the top 10 results.
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            • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              You see how the link you are talking about is colored purple? That means you are seeing personalized search results, not the search results that everyone else is seeing.
              LOL ))

              This means I see a visited link which was clicked by me and opened in the browser prior to to click a "back arrow" button before the screenshot was made.

              What's wrong with you guys? Never used a web browser?


              Just open this search link in your browser:

              https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cyberseo.net%22

              You'll find a link to the mentioned AI-generated "Tales from Robots" autoblog post that contains the given keyword on about 4th page of your non-personalized Google search results.

              Why "only" 4th page out of 42.000 results? Because "Tales from Robots" is not about CyberSEO.net and there are much more relevant links to my site, that should be shown first. Course some horror story about it won't be shown at the 1st page. This is obvious I believe.


              Conclusion:

              1) The page is indexed and is shown in the search results.

              2) There are about 42.000 results for the given keyword, and a short AI-generated horror story on a newly created website (the domain registration date: 2023-02-03) is shown at only 4th page of Google Search results.

              Any more questions?

              2MikeFriedman: If you don't know what SEO is, please just don't comment my posts, because your statements are a bit... unprofessional. And just a friendly hint: start with learning your own browser and find out what a purple link color does mean.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

                LOL ))

                This means I see a visited link which was clicked by me and opened in the browser prior to to click a "back arrow" button before the screenshot was made.

                What's wrong with you guys? Never used a web browser?


                Just open this search link in your browser:

                https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cyberseo.net%22

                You'll find a link to the mentioned AI-generated "Tales from Robots" autoblog post that contains the given keyword on about 4th page of your non-personalized Google search results.

                Why "only" 4th page out of 42.000 results? Because "Tales from Robots" is not about CyberSEO.net and there are much more relevant links to my site, that should be shown first. Course some horror story about it won't be shown at the 1st page. This is obvious I believe.


                Conclusion:

                1) The page is indexed and is shown in the search results.

                2) There are about 42.000 results for the given keyword, and a short AI-generated horror story on a newly created website (the domain registration date: 2023-02-03) is shown at only 4th page of Google Search results.

                Any more questions?

                2MikeFriedman: If you don't know what SEO is, please just don't comment my posts, because your statements are a bit... unprofessional. And just a friendly hint: start with learning your own browser and find out what a purple link color does mean.
                I'm well aware of how browsers work. What you showed has nothing to do with your browser.

                Once again, you are showing that you have no idea how search works. The title is in purple because it is a link you have visited before. That is a sign that you are looking at personalized search results, which are not the same as what everyone else sees in search.

                I did your search again. The same thing. Your AI generated page is not outranking the rest of your site.

                Try it in a fresh browser using an incognito window and you will see the true SERP, not your personalized search result.

                You cannot get the same result without it being a personalized search result.

                Also, as even a moderately competent SEO will tell you, the number of search results in Google's index for a given SERP means absolutely nothing in regards to any sort of competitiveness for that SERP.
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    I feel like AI revolution is coming soon either.
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  • As a content writer, I remember wondering this at the start, however there are ways for Google and other search engines to pick up on AI generated content, and they also make sure to flag those down as well. Most of my work is done manually within my team. We do have our own AI content generator but we pass it by multiple filtering procedures (such as paraphrasers) and end it with a human-eye check and edit before we use said content. At the end of the day we've found that creating the content ourselves is much faster and less risky as far as getting flagged by search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author hbeezy
    This thread has been quite eye opening and intriguing... but one thing that nobody has mentioned yet is that there are AI programs in creation and already created to find out if content was artificially manufactured.

    One program that I can name off the top of my head: Originality.ai (I've never used it)

    With the advent of this program, now we have AI detecting AI. Could it be faulty during some "checks"? Potentially. Will there be better programs created to detect AI produced content? Absolutely.

    Perhaps at some point, we may have AI detecting content that a human wrote. At that point... we won't know what's going on. But currently...

    Since it's a well-known idea that AI cannot feel or add emotion to its content, it will be a bit difficult for it to completely oust human written content. I don't doubt it, but for that revolution to happen, AI would have to learn a lot really quick about creating content that triggers emotions, has flair, and doesn't sound "bland".

    This is why original content writers and PLR content vendors aren't "out of a job" just yet... but it could be a matter of time if AI is ever able to cross into the "emotional field" as we as humans understand it.

    Say, if we ever get there... how will we know if anything's original anymore? Food for thought...

    "Nothing is new under the sun".
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    • Originally Posted by hbeezy View Post

      Since it's a well-known idea that AI cannot feel or add emotion to its content,
      It's an idea, but it's not a fact.

      Chat GBT can duplicate a style of content, and you can give AI the prompts to write in a certain style...or to show emotions.

      One way to do this is to simply write in an emotional way, and have the AI rewrite what you wrote.

      And AI can be prompted to pass the AI detectors by writing in a more human style.

      It's an odd thing, but most of us can tell if a paragraph was written by AI.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        I heard a podcast about a writer who had a death in her family shortly before she decided to play with AI writing. She ended up with a piece that was emotionally satisfying... after feeding it a bunch of prompts and adjusting after each one. Seems like, to get it to do it, you need to spend a lot of time inputting what you want it to do. Too time-consuming and beyond the inputting ability of many.


        Not that that will stop the many. Just that, like with non-AI, most of the writing will be crap-to-average.


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        It's an idea, but it's not a fact.

        Chat GBT can duplicate a style of content, and you can give AI the prompts to write in a certain style...or to show emotions.

        One way to do this is to simply write in an emotional way, and have the AI rewrite what you wrote.

        And AI can be prompted to pass the AI detectors by writing in a more human style.

        It's an odd thing, but most of us can tell if a paragraph was written by AI.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Some people will not want to use this AI or any other software and will want to continue to use their copywriters.

    Some people are just OLD school.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Not buying the AI hype, it may be a preferential solution for some people, much like self-checkout at Walmart, but not everyone will bow to having their careers replaced by a program mimicking human behavior.

    Much like spinning articles was (*or may still be) a thing... there is always a demand for people who can capture attention, infuse personal connections, and produce quality content, naturally.

    I am bias, my take on AI is it is flawed, hyped-up, and cannot produce what the human mind can create from empathy, emotion, passion, or any sensible (or spiritual) energy source!

    To each their own, if you choose to support it because it's a cheaper alternative, by all means board that train!
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      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      I am bias, my take on AI is it is flawed, hyped-up, and cannot produce what the human mind can create from empathy, emotion, passion, or any sensible (or spiritual) energy source!

      but wat if they hook up the ai to a nuclear power plant
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

        but wat if they hook up the ai to a nuclear power plant
        WarGames... we'll have to have consult with Ally Sheedy and Matthew Broderick save us, lol.

        Stay tuned... on next weeks menu - 3D printed chicken nuggets made of soy beans and mechanically separated lettuce...YUMMY!!!

        In certain applications, AI may replace certain hazardous conditions, sure... perhaps doing what people "ought not" be doing?

        But... if we succumb to being so lazy (or dependent) as to rely on artificial writing tools generated by (AI)...

        What kind of message does that suggest about our intelligence?

        It's all programming... somebody is fueling that self-driving car... but, I'm not giving up the driver's seat that easy!!!

        Knowing my luck... my self driving car would lock me in, take me to jail, and read me my life sentence - for toying with people's emotions on FB or Tik Tok...

        What's next... if you deny, refuse, or offend AI - you will be punished?

        We don't need robot warriors... we need to tap into our own higher intelligence!

        PS - I'll take that $1000 from the OP's sig link and raise you a million... the solution is, human intelligence, not play station war hero!
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  • Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

    How long it will take till the blog owners realize that they don't need to hire copywriters anymore? The Artificial Intelligence engines like OpenAI GPT-3 are able to generate a high quality and 100% unique content for any niche. They do it fast and for a price of almost nothing. Just give them an assignment and your article will be ready in a few seconds.

    How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
    Jus' wanna get back to the rignl OP here on this one, despite I seen plenny comment as I wuz scrollin' down.

    Way I see it, we at the DRINKIN' YUH OWN PEE stage.

    For sure, plenny AI bots can snort the contents of the internet an' 'gurgitate on up all kindsa trooly smart stuffs.

    But they can also be way dumbah than the dumbest person you know.

    Plus also, smart enquirahs can compel 'em to offer up hoomanesque contactstuffs borderin' on' filosofical evil.

    But that ain't the reason why we should give AF.

    Focus here is on the SNORT.

    Of the PEE.

    See bcs if'n more an' more CONTENT IS KING content is generated by AI, 'ventually it jus' gonna be drinkin' its own pee.

    An' we all know how deranged that can makeya!

    When the wisdom upon which you draw is entirely self-generated, most likely you gonna end up a monstah.

    Only way to give AI sumthin' to SNORT is hooman input.

    Tellya, we ain't dun wholesale slavery for centuries now.

    So mebbe it is time to go re-read the contract.

    Enablement is a dish best served involved.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

    How long it will take till the blog owners realize that they don't need to hire copywriters anymore? The Artificial Intelligence engines like OpenAI GPT-3 are able to generate a high quality and 100% unique content for any niche. They do it fast and for a price of almost nothing. Just give them an assignment and your article will be ready in a few seconds.

    How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
    This is one of the worst sales threads I have ever seen.

    If what you said was true, the sales copy on your own site would be a lot better than it is.

    Also, your tool is going to get someone sued.

    the CyberSEO Pro plugin allows you to automatically add free full-size pictures from Pixabay's 2.1 million image collection as well as Creative Common content from Google Images
    Just because an image is listed as free to use in Google Images does not mean it actually is. Google mislabels them all the time. And saying that Google Images said you had the right to use an image will not protect anyone from legal action.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Also, your tool is going to get someone sued. Just because an image is listed as free to use in Google Images does not mean it actually is. Google mislabels them all the time. And saying that Google Images said you had the right to use an image will not protect anyone from legal action.
      Why do you post all those strange posts here? Is that a joke or you really don't understand even the basics in anything?

      First you said that a domain name in a search request will always be shown as a link to it. Course it will, but you said that as a comment to my screenshot of search results that clearly shows that I'm talking about 3rd-party web pages where the searched domain is used as keyword in a text, not as a link. haven't you looks at that screenshot before posting your comment?

      You said that AI-generated article won't appear in Google search results and you said that right below a screenshot that clearly shows such an article right there - in the Google search results.

      After that you said that a purple link on a browser page with Google search results is a "personalized search result". Don't you really know that a purple link means a visited one?

      Now you say that someone could sue a tool (what?) for allowing webmasters to use Creative Common images from Google search results. For real? Maybe you should sue Google first? Can I suggest you to learn the Law? Or maybe you should start at least with this: https://copyright.unimelb.edu.au/gui...s-using-google?

      Please learn at least something before posting all this nonsense. It might be funny, but some forum visitors may think you are serious...
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

        Now you say that someone could sue a tool (what?) for allowing webmasters to use Creative Common images from Google search results. For real? Maybe you should sue Google first? Can I suggest you to learn the Law? Or maybe you should start at least with this: https://copyright.unimelb.edu.au/gui...s-using-google?

        Please learn at least something before posting all this nonsense. It might be funny, but some forum visitors may think you are serious...
        You really should try reading what I said again.

        I did not say anyone was going to sue your tool. I said your tool was going to get someone sued.

        Just because something is labeled as "creative common licenses" in Google Image Search does not mean the owner has actually given anyone the right to use the image. Images get mislabled farily often in there. This is pretty well known.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    It seems more than 50% of companies in a survey use AI for copywriting: https://fortune.com/2023/02/25/companies-replacing-workers-chatgpt-ai/ .

    They do not say exactly how. Or if they still use copywriters.



    Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

    How long it will take till the blog owners realize that they don't need to hire copywriters anymore? The Artificial Intelligence engines like OpenAI GPT-3 are able to generate a high quality and 100% unique content for any niche. They do it fast and for a price of almost nothing. Just give them an assignment and your article will be ready in a few seconds.

    How long it will take till all copywriters will lost their jobs? Any predictions?
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    • Profile picture of the author hbeezy
      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      It seems more than 50% of companies in a survey use AI for copywriting: https://fortune.com/2023/02/25/companies-replacing-workers-chatgpt-ai/ .

      They do not say exactly how. Or if they still use copywriters.
      Yes, this is most likely happening. I'm on Spencer Haws' list and in one of his emails a while ago he was promoting a content producing company (I think they were called rocket "something", if I find it, I'll edit this).

      And on their website, it said that they were using Ai to write portions and then they would edit/fact check that content with human editors. It definitely isn't a bad idea but in the long run the customer may lose the human element that they desire.

      Then again, it depends on how good the content was edited. But this is definitely happening.

      In another facet of content creation, I've purchased and watched a course teaching how to use Ai to create written content and then sell it as PLR content.

      Now you've said that this was relative to copywriting (as I assume, sales pages, etc.) and since I've seen multiple products teaching how to do this, I'm willing to fully agree that they are upon this avenue as well. So it'll be a matter of time until we see copy start to sound a little robotic.

      Or, will we, (or rather I) be able to tell? Enter the Ai checking websites (I guess). I just hope that I don't take it so serious to figure out Ai generated copy that every piece of copy/content I come across... I decide to run it through a checker.

      Personally, I see it as this (kind of just like PLR content), if it does what's it's supposed to do, who cares if the content was PLR?

      Adapting it to this thread, if it does what it's supposed to do, who cares if Ai wrote it? So personally, I share in Google's position on content creation (to an extent).

      Hope I didn't ramble on too much here...

      Sidebar... seeing the above banter, I've learned a bit about SEO today LOL...
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      It seems more than 50% of companies in a survey use AI for copywriting: https://fortune.com/2023/02/25/compa...rs-chatgpt-ai/ .

      They do not say exactly how. Or if they still use copywriters.
      As I mentioned it above, BuzzFeed has fired 180 writers and replaced them with ChatGPT. So, that's a trend. More and more companies will be using AI for article writing. The same thing happened when custom manufactures were replaced by factories. That's called progress.

      BTW, on March 1st OpenAI has released their new GPT-3.5 model named Turbo. It's absolutely the same model as used by ChatGPT. The difference is that Turbo is available via API, so it can be used for autoblogging. Just give it an assignment to rewrite articles from other sources (e.g. RSS feeds) or write them from scratch using just the RSS feed titles or your own prepared list of topics and it will be done on full autopilot - written, rewritten and/or translated to other languages. The future is here...

      I recommend my customers to switch from Davinci model to Turbo, because... Turbo is 10x cheaper. Thus, they will pay 10 times less for OpenAI API queries than they did with Davinci.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        I am sure more and more will replace writers. Are they replacing copywriters yet?


        AI can do a lot of the writing at the low end... I think all people who used to pay $10/500 word article will switch... AI is good enough for the people needing filler content. It can do well enough for more... Maybe, it will get to the level where it can produce all writing people need in a business.



        Don't think it's there yet.


        And, it might never get to replace a Dan Kennedy or Gary Halbert. Of course, not everybody needs a Dan Kennedy or a Gary Halbert.


        I am interested in the details of how and what for people are using AI right now. The survey did not go into details, so people did not offer them. But I'm curious.


        A lot of Buzzfeed content was (last time I checked... which was a few years ago) based on current events and things that are 'perennial.' I can see how you can use AI to write tons of articles on things like that. You can have one editor/writer figure out a slant, than have AI come up with an article to fit the slant.


        One person can come up with many ideas and slants, feed them to AI, review results, submit for publication. You do need a lot fewer writers.



        Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

        As I mentioned it above, BuzzFeed has fired 180 writers and replaced them with ChatGPT. So, that's a trend. More and more companies will be using AI for article writing. The same thing happened when custom manufactures were replaced by factories. That's called progress.

        BTW, on March 1st OpenAI has released their new GPT-3.5 model named Turbo. It's absolutely the same model as used by ChatGPT. The difference is that Turbo is available via API, so it can be used for autoblogging. Just give it an assignment to rewrite articles from other sources (e.g. RSS feeds) or write them from scratch using just the RSS feed titles or your own prepared list of topics and it will be done on full autopilot - written, rewritten and/or translated to other languages. The future is here...

        I recommend my customers to switch from Davinci model to Turbo, because... Turbo is 10x cheaper. Thus, they will pay 10 times less for OpenAI API queries than they did with Davinci.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigNYC
    AI will definitely assist copywriting, but won't fully replace copywriters. Automation in industry isn't new.

    And there's virtually no industry where automation fully takes over.

    But lol, the way all writing on the internet has become "copywriting" makes any conversation hard to have.

    Of course AI can generate blog content and Tweets and captions for IG photos.

    But is any of that copywriting?

    I worked at a car dealership when I was young. Technically they called the 2 young guys that only changed tires and oil ... mechanics.

    But were they really?

    The internet became a place where anyone who wrote anything could christen themselves a copywriter.

    Do you write social media? Copywriter. Ever wrote an email? Copywriter. Ever wrote an Instant Message? Copywriter.

    Will AI ever create and produce marketing campaigns that sell to DM's with 15 years climbing the ladder and take 3-6 weeks to fully cycle?

    Maybe one day. Not now though.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    There are times I sit back and bite my tongue when I hear remarks about things like AI is going to put copywriters out of work.

    After decades of being around the business and being here on WF though I can somehow understand the remarks.

    Most of the top copywriters these days are names that aren't familiar on this forum. They're hanging out on places like Slack...but I can assure you, they're still in business and they're still in demand.

    What most don't understand is one of the first AI models that came out was for copywriters to use...and that was 11 years ago. It's Persado. It hasn't put any copywriters out of business.

    Name any major company and they use Persado...Gap, Old Navy, Chase, Comcast...and on and on and on. Been using it for 11 years and haven't got rid of one copywriter.

    The situation is, Persado isn't cheap and never has been...

    along came a free AI that anyone can use and everyone is claiming copywriters are about to become history. What these statements show is that most really truly have little idea of what most copywriters do...

    most on here...and it's understandable...think copywriters are sitting around writing sales letters for ebooks that get sold online. Once again that thinking is understandable on this forum because that's what is mostly talked about.

    Most online marketers would melt down at the idea of paying a copywriter $50,000 to write a promotion...and then offer 3% in residual...it would blow their mind...

    because, after all, everyone is a copywriter these days.

    Big companies know the value of a good copywriter.

    Agora pays top dollar for good copywriters.

    The Boardroom pays good money for top copywriters.

    So, the point I'm making...AI for copywriters has been around way before ChatGPT came out...

    11 years now of AI that is used in the copywriting/marketing field and copywriters are still in more demand than ever.

    Just a little rant.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    So being a slow day for me and feeling a little bored...

    I asked BARD, Googles answer to ChatGPT...and in my opinion 100 times better...

    if BARD would replace copywriters:

    No, Bard will not replace copywriters. Copywriters are still essential for creating compelling and persuasive copy that sells products and services. Bard can be a helpful tool for copywriters, but it is not a replacement for human creativity.

    Bard can be used to generate ideas, but it is up to the copywriter to take those ideas and turn them into something that is both effective and engaging. Copywriters also need to be able to understand the target audience and what they are looking for. Bard can't do that.

    So while Bard can be a helpful tool, it is not a replacement for human creativity. Copywriters will still be in demand for the foreseeable future.


    Thought the answer was very interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author maryglo
    noone can change people work ) so i dont think it will happen
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