by max5ty
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On the news today...

Elon Musk and over 1000 other people called for a 6-month pause on AI systems yesterday to give the world time to implement policies that govern them.

They caution AI is powerful and is becoming more and more advanced, and we need to start planning and managing it carefully because it could have negative effects on society and the whole world.

AI could easily spread propaganda, take away jobs, and even replace humans.

They want the 6-month pause to make sure we can control and manage these systems before they get too powerful.

They also suggest working with policymakers to create rules and regulations to make sure that AI is used responsibly as needed.

These pauses are for AI systems that are stronger than CGPT.

Full letter:

https://futureoflife.org/open-letter...i-experiments/
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    In many ways I agree with that - but I don't think the 'powers that be' will slow down AI development or increase oversight right now because those 'powers' are more focused on the 'race' to be first in A.I.



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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      In many ways I agree with that - but I don't think the 'powers that be' will slow down AI development or increase oversight right now because those 'powers' are more focused on the 'race' to be first in A.I.



      While many of us are still looking at and evaluating the uses of A.I. there are savvy IMers putting out products to help you blog faster or easier....get affiliate sales, etc....with a focus on use of A.I.
      AI right now is like the gold rush of the 1800s. Everyone is trying to grab a piece of the money.

      There are some things about AI that can be troubling...

      I'm not talking about Bard or ChatGPT...

      a couple of weeks ago there was the deepfake video of a former president being arrested. It got millions of views and looked so real that most thought it was.

      Regardless of how anyone feels about politics, I think a lot of people are seeing the possible dangers of propaganda that can be developed.

      If a country turns on the news tomorrow morning and they see their leader saying the country has been invaded and there is nothing that can be done...

      it can create panic on a global level. Things like this are starting to trouble those in the AI community. It seems like a far fetched idea, but it's becoming more and more possible with each advancement in AI.

      I've been reading some of the articles about the fear some of these advancements are causing in intelligence agencies.

      Elon Musk has talked about these concerns and others, which is why I think they signed the letter. At some point, countries are going to need to have a serious discussion about where some of these advancements are leading.
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      • Profile picture of the author RMRC
        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        a couple of weeks ago there was the deepfake video of a former president being arrested. It got millions of views and looked so real that most thought it was.

        Regardless of how anyone feels about politics, I think a lot of people are seeing the possible dangers of propaganda that can be developed.
        I mentioned this exact thing in another AI thread! Deepfake is so scary because people could literally show any politician doing anything and start civil unrest and entire wars Crazy to think about.
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  • Easily replicatabyool falsehoods always win ovah time consoomin' analysis.

    For a while, at least.

    So the instant hit of a trooly feelsy image or vid gonna impact instantaneo on the moment, long before the forensics people show up an say yup this happened bcs.

    As a writah person, I immediately concerned by how an essentyooly linguistic tool can impinge upon my ass.

    I appreciate how AI might setchtya free if'n you dyslexic or routinely dumb.

    But is it a substitoot for the aspirations of evrywankind?

    As a writah, I trooly undahstand the evocative powah of the transcendent image.

    Metaphors with teeth, if'n you wanna think that way.

    Thing is, who ain't pausin' rn in the sudden clamor to halt the advance of the beast unrestrained we kinda let slip from its leash?

    Likely we at the same filosofical moment with AI as we are with guns.

    Does the fault lie with the intrinsic capabilities of the device, or is the fault simply how we misuse the fkrs?

    We been havin' the debate 'bout guns since we swapped out the swords, the bows, an' the arrers.

    Which is like ****in' an age.

    Show today's AI to anywan gittin' online for the first time in the 90s, they'd figure you were crayzee.

    Instantaneously zippiah prahblem than the weapon deal.

    Tellya, I am all for tech enablement, but we gotta set it firmly in its place.

    Worst case scenario is how robots take ovah the planet.

    More likely is how the creativity of hoomankind gonna be dumbed down by eternal golden showahs of algorithmically drunk pee.

    Gotta figure hostile robots be sumthin' you could fight against.

    WRESTLE BOTS IN WALMART WITH OUR JASMINE SCENTED HOT PANTS!

    Rebellion has ass, tellya. & likely she sells.

    But relentless regurgitation of cyclicully mechanichyool spew is a more anaesthetisin' fate for wannabe wannadoers.

    Follow the relentlessly navelgazy AI, we get to be trooly stoopid without realisin' how trooly stoopid we become.

    For sure we seen movies 'bout alla this kinda stuffs, an' we read books, an' we conjectyoored WHAT IF.

    But ain't that always an enablin' motivatah: WHAT IF ?

    If so, would you naht wish to be free to explore all possibility?

    Unconstrained by all prior stories?

    Poisnly, I gaht no truck with a kinda robot version of the zaaambie apocalypse.

    But I do believe in self-inflicted stoopido, wherein nuthin' shines & all is ubiquitously dim.

    In most alien horror narratives, we fear the bad guys bcs they gaht an all-consoomingly evil ideah what they dowin'.

    But what if'n they chuck out pre-chomped garbage to perfection? On autopilot?

    Sniffo pisso crappo pukeo propulso ... ovah an' ovah an' ovah like a passively agressive monstah you cain't nevah grapple with?

    You fancy shamblin' around tamara, or what?

    Don't feel zackly like enslavement bcs it don't feel like zackly nuthin'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    Elon is a smart person and when he talks people will adhere and not just listen .

    I can see the policy makers really taking time to analyze what Elon is saying . Remember that Elon is one of the most technically innovative entrepreneurs of our time .
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  • Anything that can re-shape relevant things in the society is powerful.
    Tyrants. Presidents. Global superpowers. Monopolies. Social Media. Artificial Super Intelligence.

    And I don't think we need an argument for why these powerful things are dangerous.
    After all:

    "Dangerous" is the default state of powerful things.

    Unequal access to AI tech can further widen the digital divide.
    Unregulated AI tech dev and use today can make it quicker and easier for us to reach a point where management and regulation later on might become nearly impossible, extremely costly, ridiculously difficult, severely time-consuming, or any combination of these ...

    This can cause imbalance to wealth and knowledge - distribution.
    And this can further widen gaps between powerfulness and powerlessness across countries, societies, economies, communities and under-represented groups of people.
    Even the simplest AI tech today like generative tools and deep fakes plus narrow Computer Vision applications like face and gait recognition can be misused for cybercrime, piracy, data security exploits, privacy and IP infringement, psychological manipulation and so on ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    If a country turns on the news tomorrow morning and they see their leader saying the country has been invaded and there is nothing that can be done...

    Or seeing a supposedly 'secret' video of a foreign leader claiming his country has just launched an attack.


    There are some real concerns and sadly I believe the race to stay 'on top' will lead many to minimize the risk.


    I think back when I started working online in 2001 or so - no Facebook, no Twitter. In less than 20 years, social platorms dominate the news and opinion cycles. In 2003 (MySpace), 2004 (Facebook) and 2006 (Twitter) - did anyone believe 'social' media' would become what it is today? I doubt it.


    I think the same might hold for AI but on a much higher and more concerning level. If you just stop and think of the potential for AI to replace jobs/careers and to influence public opinion...it's scarey.
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  • The verifiability of immediacy has momentarily surpassed the verifiability of longah term stuffs.

    Despite our tech advantages, we still kinda kneejerksy in many respects.

    Gotta hope we can see through the crapola before the crapola dictates our sensory input.

    Prolly this is why Buddhist neophytes toss freezin' watah 'pon umselves.
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      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      The verifiability of immediacy has momentarily surpassed the verifiability of longah term stuffs.

      Despite our tech advantages, we still kinda kneejerksy in many respects.

      Gotta hope we can see through the crapola before the crapola dictates our sensory input.

      Prolly this is why Buddhist neophytes toss freezin' watah 'pon umselves.
      Was researching a couple things on the internet last night...

      almost immediately I could tell the articles that had been written with AI. At least to me anyways. I've noticed a lot of emails I get lately all sound AI written also.

      That's ok if it's your thing to pump out this kind of stuff, but a thought occurred to me...

      in another year it's going to sound like everything on the internet was written by the same guy/gal.
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      • Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        in another year it's going to sound like everything on the internet was written by the same guy/gal.
        That is the prahblem, for sures.

        As fight or flight creachahs, we respond more readily to novelty an' threat.

        So we don't zackly espouse yadda yadda too good.

        We intrinsically 'get' *corny*.

        An' that is a cool way to distinguish the merely stereotypical from the universally functional.

        Note to self: Great line, Princess. Deploy it with aplomb onya next date.

        Cool in the context of copy bcs AI proposes an easy way to pump out the killah sales promo.

        Thing is, natchrl hoomans prefer to buy easy steada be sold to sleazy.

        We all wanna wear the bra nowan else gaht.

        Which is why EZ-replicatorial ubiquitousness gonna be SPOTTED.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Google's 'godfather of AI' quits to spread the word about dangers of AI, warns it will lead to 'bad things'
    Geoffrey Hinton fears there's nothing to prevent 'bad actors' from using AI.

    Geoffrey Hinton, a Google engineer widely considered the godfather of artificial intelligence, has quit his job and is now warning of the dangers of further AI development.

    Hinton worked at Google for more than a decade and is responsible for a 2012 tech breakthrough that serves as the foundation of current AIs like ChatGPT. He announced his resignation from Google in a statement to the New York Times, saying he now regrets his work.

    "I console myself with the normal excuse: If I hadn't done it, somebody else would have," he told the paper.

    "It is hard to see how you can prevent the bad actors from using it for bad things," Hinton went on to say of AI.

    Hinton's fears echo those expressed by more than 1,000 tech leaders earlier this year in a public letter that called for a brief halt to AI development. Hinton did not sign the letter at the time, and he now says that he did not want to criticize Google while he was with the company.


    This news story has been in the news on a lot of different outlets today.

    All very interesting to say the least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I was reading about that a couple hours ago...he hung around quietly till after the launch ...but is speaking out now.

    The warning that got my attention (besides Musk) was years ago when Stephen Hawking talked about artificial intelligence...

    He told the BBC that very basic forms of AI had already proven powerful but creating systems that rival human intelligence or surpass it could be disastrous for the human race. "It would take off on its own and re-design itself at an ever-increasing rate,"

    The only excuse I've seen for going full speed ahead with AI is the claim that one country MUST move quickly - because other countries will. I'm not convinced that is a logical argument but it seems to be the prevailing one.


    The fake footnotes and imaginary reference books, etc that some have reported coming from AI may indicate that AI is a natural blond...could happen.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post



      The fake footnotes and imaginary reference books, etc that some have reported coming from AI may indicate that AI is a natural blond...could happen.
      If all the references were real, it would be like AI saying: "Hey, we plagiarized your work, thank you for your help in making our company billions."
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    At this early stage it's fascinating to see the 'expert predictions' - as they see to always leave themselves an 'out'.

    Ex: "it's going to be great...unless it isn't"

    Goldman Sachs has predicted AI could do 25% of the jobs in this country within a very short period of time.

    Artificial intelligence (AI) could replace the equivalent of 300 million full-time jobs, a report by investment bank Goldman Sachs says. It could replace a quarter of work tasks in the US and Europe but may also mean new jobs and a productivity boom.
    Not sure what 'new jobs' would be coming or how a 'productivity boom' would be generated - but that balances the doom and gloom of lost jobs.

    Just letting my brain go free range for a bit....trying to understand what would happen to the people who DID those 300 million full time jobs prior to an AI takeover. What would have to happen for those 300 million displaced workers to earn an income?

    Would be fun to look back on discussions like this in 10-15 years to see if anyone was close to predicting the AI outcome.....
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    Well i think its not easy to stop AI you can low it but not stop it
    Its ike a virus
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Earlier today Senator Michael Bennet was in the news. He proposed to set up a task to try and regulate Ai. I'm not sure how much support he will get. However, at least someone wants to look deeper into it from the Government. One of the issues he was talking about was Patent infringement. There are a few articles about it online if you want to look into it.

    Here is a link to one if anyone is interested. - https://news.yahoo.com/senator-takes...ycsrp_catchall
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    AI could easily spread propaganda, take away jobs, and even replace humans.
    Saw on the news last. It was reported for the first time Ai took away jobs. It was reported About 3,900 people lost their jobs because of artificial intelligence, in May. I'm curious to know what those jobs were and how they determined it was a direct result of Ai. Also, will there be a repeat at the end of this month?
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      Saw on the news last. It was reported for the first time Ai took away jobs. It was reported About 3,900 people lost their jobs because of artificial intelligence, in May. I'm curious to know what those jobs were and how they determined it was a direct result of Ai. Also, will there be a repeat at the end of this month?
      According to Business Insider, they were all from the Tech sector.

      They're saying 80,000 will be laid off in May because of AI.

      Not sure what the jobs were in Tech, but I did read an article that said some of the live chat employees were being replaced by AI bots in a lot of companies.
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