Your Opinion Sucks...

by max5ty
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I have a website that I've had for quite a while...

a couple of days ago, I thought I would try and update the design.

I used ChatGPT and Gemini...the latest pro versions of each.

I uploaded a screenshot of the homepage to each one and asked for an honest critique with nothing held back.

Well, I got 2 totally different views on what I should change.

One was saying one thing...get rid of the white background, make the category icons black and white...

the other one was saying the exact opposite.

I really didn't expect this response.

It was like I had 2 totally different designers with different ideas.

I made the changes GPT wanted and then uploaded the screenshot to Gemini. It unloaded on me and told me I was going backward with my design, and it was the wrong style to go for.

Has anyone else tried 2 AI programs and had totally different opinions?

I thought it was interesting.

I wasn't sure which one was right.

I ended up going with the ChatGPT idea.

First time I've ever experienced this.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    What a great opportunity. Do both. Have them compete, spend the exact same money, run the same ads, and then REPORT your results. Having a test, a battle of the AI, with results would be a valuable report, and I mean this sincerely, MILLIONS of people would want to get their hands on. Do a 6 month trial, do exactly what each one says and let the market tell us the winner.

    I'll be the first one in line to BUY your report. You are welcome for the many millions of dollars headed your way...cause with AI spewing such opposite advice, only a real life, real money head to head test with results would matter.

    And the loser, the owners, would pay you MILLIONS not to publish your results.

    GordonJ


    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    I have a website that I've had for quite a while...

    a couple of days ago, I thought I would try and update the design.

    I used ChatGPT and Gemini...the latest pro versions of each.

    I uploaded a screenshot of the homepage to each one and asked for an honest critique with nothing held back.

    Well, I got 2 totally different views on what I should change.

    One was saying one thing...get rid of the white background, make the category icons black and white...

    the other one was saying the exact opposite.

    I really didn't expect this response.

    It was like I had 2 totally different designers with different ideas.

    I made the changes GPT wanted and then uploaded the screenshot to Gemini. It unloaded on me and told me I was going backward with my design, and it was the wrong style to go for.

    Has anyone else tried 2 AI programs and had totally different opinions?

    I thought it was interesting.

    I wasn't sure which one was right.

    I ended up going with the ChatGPT idea.

    First time I've ever experienced this.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      What a great opportunity. Do both. Have them compete, spend the exact same money, run the same ads, and then REPORT your results. Having a test, a battle of the AI, with results would be a valuable report, and I mean this sincerely, MILLIONS of people would want to get their hands on. Do a 6 month trial, do exactly what each one says and let the market tell us the winner.

      I'll be the first one in line to BUY your report. You are welcome for the many millions of dollars headed your way...cause with AI spewing such opposite advice, only a real life, real money head to head test with results would matter.

      And the loser, the owners, would pay you MILLIONS not to publish your results.

      GordonJ
      Great idea about the split test.

      The site though isn't selling a report.

      It's more of a company site that just blabbers on about the company and makes it seem like we're really someone important.

      I was really just surprised that each AI seemed to have its own personality and ideas.

      I had kind of figured before this that the AI platforms were mostly all in sync with their thinking.

      Maybe would have even gotten different ideas from deepseek or others.

      I tried to be sure to prompt each one the same so there wouldn't be a lot of discrepancies in the prompt.

      Just really thought the whole thing was interesting...and if you think about it, it's really something to consider when it comes to relying on a certain AI for advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    I used ChatGPT and Gemini...the latest pro versions of each.
    I'm curious if the free version and the pro version would produce different results?
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      I'm curious if the free version and the pro version would produce different results?
      Not sure about that.

      I know with ChatGPT you can use 4.o for free but the questions etc. are limited.

      With Gemini you can use free but they claim you need to update for the 'smart' stuff.

      I was using the paid version for both.
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    • Profile picture of the author Monetize
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      I'm curious if the free version and the pro version would produce different results?

      I doubt that you would get different results or outputs, when you
      have a paid account you usually get access to more features.

      The LLM itself isn't even aware whether you are paying for a
      subscription or not.

      I pay for a couple of the LLMs but there is a newer one I use for
      free and it blows the paid ones out of the water.

      Likewise for the A.I. image generators, I pay for a couple of those
      but there is a free one that generates better images than anything
      else I have ever used. Images are such high quality that I am
      able to sell them.

      If I didn't need the paid ones for my business, I would just use
      free everything.
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  • As an advocate of bringin' musself ahf au natchurelle when it comes to juicin' out the copy, I am no big fan of AI.

    On the flip side, AI has advocates who regularly proclaim its glories.

    So we gaht a slidin' scale here on an evocative lips ticket.

    Pinpoint mersheen or smacko hooman bein'?

    Gotta figure this is an unanswahered question for many -- which is why the kinda informed analysis Gordon presents as an offah sets evrywan straight on thullaytist dilemma.

    Anyways, deal rn seems how huntaproneurial types can switch out the whole dream/tedium equation more productively.

    "Quit the small losses to gain the big wins" kinda thing -- like mebbe franchisin' out yr BLINKIN' so's you can git on with SEEIN' an' PURSIEVIN'.

    So here is Moi, mebbe 2240 ...

    I clamped up to NipsyStim v23.9.

    An' I gaht muh dreams set on bein' THUPPOPE.

    So now AI servants somersault before my gaze.

    Fixin' cash, networks, admin, outreach, intel -- plus HOW I still git to wear a knockout thong 'longside alla the historical hupparel.

    See bcs AI gonna figure muh dream.

    "Process My Toil While I Mostest My Inner Seem!"

    Cray as cray.

    An' so what an unveilityoore of possibility for evrywan.

    Howevah, in my Sagittarian pernickityness, I would wish to pick up on the folly of the ubiquitous.

    Naht jus' ovah an' ovah by default, but case by case.

    "Should I plunge into a pool of acid?"

    "You got skin problems, the fkr will surely sort them."

    Which is why you gotta remembah 99%a nowan don't know nuthin'.

    Evin' quotin' that sets you apart from the hapless -- speshy if'n you keep it to yusself.
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    • Originally Posted by Johncena8976 View Post

      That's a really interesting experience! It sounds like you got a taste of just how different AI models can be in terms of design philosophy and preferences. Both ChatGPT and Gemini are advanced, but they might have different approaches to design based on their training, algorithms, and focus areas.

      I think the contrast you experienced might come from how each AI interprets "good design." ChatGPT might prioritize simplicity and clarity, while Gemini could be emphasizing modern trends or more dynamic, visually rich approaches. It's kind of like having two designers with different tastes - one might be into minimalism, and the other into bold, trendier choices.
      It's astoundin' how these things turn out -- an' you could conjectyoore shit gonna git evin astoundingah!

      A slidin' scale of TWO?

      Mebbe the double pen is slightiah for the horde, but troo class duppends on bendin' ovah real spussific.

      As yr natchrl Princess, I now bonin' up on curtsies.

      Seems a weirdsy way to splitchya pants, but such are the roowilles.
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      • Profile picture of the author max5ty
        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        It's astoundin' how these things turn out -- an' you could conjectyoore shit gonna git evin astoundingah!
        A thought I had was that maybe the AI was remembering all the discussions and was designing based on what it thought my character was.

        Yes, that sounds odd...but on the Reddit forums for GPT etc. people were asking AI to create an image of what it thought they looked like based on their discussions. Some interesting stuff...lots of crazy stuff on those forums though.

        I have noticed a lot of people are using AI now for therapy. They say most of the time it's better than the therapist they have.

        Oh well...

        still working on my redesign
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        • Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

          Yes, that sounds odd...but on the Reddit forums for GPT etc. people were asking AI to create an image of what it thought they looked like based on their discussions. Some interesting stuff...lots of crazy stuff on those forums though.
          For sure GPT would make my boobies look crap.
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          • Profile picture of the author Monetize
            Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

            For sure GPT would make my boobies look crap.
            It could turn them into amazing holograms!
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            • Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

              It could turn them into amazing holograms!
              Buy 2 git wan extra for frickin' hurround at towtill proto-(uh huh)-kindarahndaahm.
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    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    Has anyone else tried 2 AI programs and had totally different opinions?
    Go back in a few days and you can get 2 different results from just one platform.

    Just for the record, white background out performs colored backgrounds. An outlier in the commerce space would be AMAZON... but the text boxes are white, and I believe they change this back and forth from time to time ( the background shade and not the white text boxes )

    Im going to sound like a grumpy old man, but open platform AI's are just short of trash ( in my opinion ) is this type of scenario - as well as many others.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      Go back in a few days and you can get 2 different results from just one platform.
      I think you're exactly right about that.

      It's kind of like how I am when I try to design something.

      Depending on what mood I'm in I may go big and bold...

      then later if I'm in another mood I may go more conservative.

      I hate designing for just those reasons.
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    I would gp a step further and check my analytics and also rin a site test to see what needs to be optimized and so on .

    Use people for feed back too
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  • Profile picture of the author terna nember
    well here's what i think . AI is basically a representation of a group of peoples training and thier perspective combned with general knowledge ( which all together is still peoples perspective ) . the two diffrent where trained diffrently and when it comes to creativity and design both have diffrent perspective .
    this can be likened to peoples diffrent perspective on same things.
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  • max5ty,

    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    [SNIP]Has anyone else tried 2 AI programs and had totally different opinions?[SNIP]
    • Almost always. But not just different apps. The same models, used by different apps, too.
    * And I regularly use ChatGPT and BeMyEyes for describing photos and other visual elements to me, among other general visual and non-visual querying tasks. These apps both use OpenAI models.

    So where's the rub?
    • These apps don't expose the system_prompt (for reasoning models, this is developer_prompt or similar). Just the user_prompt.
    * Simply put, you aren't entering hardcoded directives. The app devs did that for you. And they aren't allowing you to change what they entered there. So with each dev, a difference in those hardcoded prompts is inevitable, given how unique and distinct each micro niche use case is, especially when considering target specific micro niche groups.

    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    [SNIP]I ended up going with the ChatGPT idea.[/SNIP]
    Why?
    • I'd answer that first. Then That's part of finding the most suitable models for particular use cases.
    * That just means data biases exist not just for your specific use case, but for almost all others, between what a dev believes is real about something as opposed to what your biases are, which significantly affects how the datasets used to train the model are developed and /or sourced by the dev, not you.

    So the only way to have full deterministic control is to go opensource or build and train your own algorithms, using your own datasets.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post



      So the only way to have full deterministic control is to go opensource or build and train your own algorithms, using your own datasets.
      I would probably do something like that if I were smart enough to understand it all.

      I'm sure you know how...

      but for me, it's still something I wouldn't even know where to start.

      Added: Would listen to any tips you have...as long as you break it down to a 5th grade level for people like me
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      • max5ty,

        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        [SNIP]any tips you have...[/SNIP]
        This is a good start to get a little more control over ChatGPT's responses:

        QUOTE:
        What is the benefit of using custom instructions?
        • This feature allows customization of ChatGPT's responses based on your preferences, and can be modified or removed anytime for future conversations.
        /QUOTE
        source: OpenAI

        As for using opensource models in Windows and Mac to get fuller control over system prompts, fastest for beginners that I recommend is Ollama ...

        Meanwhile, for those with Linux administration and management experience -- Geting fine-tuning and training-from-scratch abilities to gain full control over determinism of responses may be done through LLaMA Factory and inferencing via llama.cpp, among other frameworks ...

        I hope this helps!
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        • Profile picture of the author max5ty
          Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

          max5ty,



          This is a good start to get a little more control over ChatGPT's responses:

          QUOTE:
          What is the benefit of using custom instructions?
          • This feature allows customization of ChatGPT's responses based on your preferences, and can be modified or removed anytime for future conversations.
          /QUOTE
          source: OpenAI

          As for using opensource models in Windows and Mac to get fuller control over system prompts, fastest for beginners that I recommend is Ollama ...

          Meanwhile, for those with Linux administration and management experience -- Geting fine-tuning and training-from-scratch abilities to gain full control over determinism of responses may be done through LLaMA Factory and inferencing via llama.cpp, among other frameworks ...

          I hope this helps!
          Thank you.

          I will explore these and see if I can get anywhere.

          I appreciate your tips.
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  • Profile picture of the author mantas brazas
    I just started using AI myself. I also tried Gemini I like the speed of his answers but he has too much unnecessary info no like how he talks to me so chose to go back to ChatGPT still quite new in AI word maybe need check guides how use properly but ChatGPT sometimes so slow
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