Is there really an on-line marketing system that will work for the little guy with limited funds?

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I will bare my sole here - I am a newbie, have had some success with marketing on-line but as of yet, haven't found a way to have it happen consistently. Talked with others here and there happy to help but want a good cut of money to do so -- and not had that extra to do it -- so I see myself as the little guy.

If I do find a system, that really truly does work, not just for a few select people but anyone who is willing to put in the time and effort, I would probably write an e-book because this is what I do.

So I am curious, if there is truly a system, with a step by step process, that doesn't require a huge capital that a newbie, the little guy can use -- that's one.

And what is the best way to get new people to visit your website ....

There are so many people coming up with new technique and systems - how do we know what works.

I have some on-line businesses that could sure use the help

I would think when a person becomes a master on-line marketer, has millions of dollars coming in - and really doesn't need more money, they would want to come back and help others to be successful. I have one mentor with my crypto currency - but it would be good for other programs to know another way

so if there is someone out there who has this unbelievable system that really can help the little guy - use me as your guinea pig - and let me make your famous in a book

Joshua "Illinois" Shapiro
crystal skull explorer, bitcoin and crypto, author
and seeking to improve my on-line marketing skills
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  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

    I would think when a person becomes a master on-line marketer, has millions of dollars coming in - and really doesn't need more money, they would want to come back and help others to be successful.
    You would think that, Joshua, but you won't run across that very often in life, if ever.

    so if there is someone out there who has this unbelievable system that really can help the little guy - use me as your guinea pig - and let me make your famous in a book
    No one is buying into this. Trust me. I am beginning to better understand your crypto fascination. You don't seem to look at things, realistically.

    Hire a mentor, like everyone else that thinks that might help and wants specialized training. No one is going to give you anything for free based on your promise that you will make them famous in a book. Read what you write before you post it. Less chance of embarrassing yourself.

    I hate to be harsh, but this is beyond ludicrous.

    Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      seems you like my posts Optedln - its ok to be harsh - helps me to understand this forum a bit better so I thank you for your comments -- not seeking something for free but perhaps there is something that can help jump start people struggling - not worried how I come across -- sometimes as a writer its go to ask challenging questions and see what kind of responses come back -- one day you will write me back on the crypto - it is not fantasy but I know its a very intense subject -- thanks for keeping me straight Optedln - god bless :-) I like challenges
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        Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

        seems you like my posts Optedln
        Not a matter of liking or disliking.

        - its ok to be harsh - helps me to understand this forum a bit better so I thank you for your comments
        I wouldn't develop any opinions about this forum based on anything I post. My contributions are not held in very high regard by more than a few people that appreciate, no-nonsense, common-sense and generally pithy input as a response to their posts. I am by no means the 'heart and soul' of the Warrior Forum. lol

        -- not seeking something for free but perhaps there is something that can help jump start people struggling
        Gee. It sure sounded like it.

        - not worried how I come across -- sometimes as a writer its go to ask challenging questions and see what kind of responses come back
        I still think it's in one's own best interest to evaluate their posts before making them, but that's your call.

        -- one day you will write me back on the crypto
        Sorry. Not in this lifetime. :-)

        - it is not fantasy
        Crypto currencies are real. It's the promise of them offering untold wealth through domination of the world's money system that's the fantasy.

        but I know its a very intense subject
        For, some. For me, it's a total snooze-fest, good for the occasional laugh or facepalm.

        -- thanks for keeping me straight Optedln - god bless :-)
        Uh, I am NOT your parole officer.

        I like challenges
        Who doesn't. :-)

        Cheers.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
          so what is best Optedin is it is best to say we agree to disagree - we each have our style and what subject(s) or opportunities we wish to pursue - accepted for now we are on opposite ends - thank you again for chipping in
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

    There are so many people coming up with new technique and systems - how do we know what works.
    What new techniques and systems?

    This forum is stuffed with thousands of pages describing systems covering email marketing, freelancing, social media marketing, lead generation, traffic building methods, search engine marketing, eCommerce and more. They ALL work, and have done for the best part of 20 years. New platforms and software may emerge, but basic marketing principles remain constant, on and offline.

    What have you tried?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      thanks Frank for joining the discussion -- I think we have done a little bit of many of the systems you wrote here -- I am guessing from your answer that in your many years of marketing you have build up your on-line resources and tools -- but from your wealth of experiences - in your opinion for a person struggling on-line what system would you advise to do for the best results

      by new techniques I would say based on the emails I receive all the time, many people are developing some type of system you log into linked to a cloud that automates the marketing somehow -- but whether this works or not I can say -

      also it seems the greatest challenge is getting quality traffic - is the only way for this happen with paid traffic -- anything you wish to share from your experiences would be gratefully received ... thank you Frank and have a wondrous day
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

        thanks Frank for joining the discussion -- I think we have done a little bit of many of the systems you wrote here -- I am guessing from your answer that in your many years of marketing you have build up your on-line resources and tools -- but from your wealth of experiences - in your opinion for a person struggling on-line what system would you advise to do for the best results

        by new techniques I would say based on the emails I receive all the time, many people are developing some type of system you log into linked to a cloud that automates the marketing somehow -- but whether this works or not I can say -
        Automates marketing to do what? Let's forget about new systems - whatever they might be - and get back to basics. Do you have an offer? If so, who's your target market?
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        • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
          Frank -- our area of expertise deals with the paranormal - and the books that we have written -- so its not the everyday type of market most people here would do -- we already use social media which has seen our best success, have some seo success being considered an expert in our field of expertise -- have a mailing list -- but it seems we are not able to get access to new people -- this is why I was looking for some system of marketing beyond the model -- landing pages, free offer, upsell -

          if you have other thoughts we open to take a look -- thank you so much!
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

            Frank -- our area of expertise deals with the paranormal - and the books that we have written -- so its not the everyday type of market most people here would do -- we already use social media which has seen our best success, have some seo success being considered an expert in our field of expertise -- have a mailing list -- but it seems we are not able to get access to new people -- this is why I was looking for some system of marketing beyond the model -- landing pages, free offer, upsell -

            if you have other thoughts we open to take a look -- thank you so much!
            You have a very small niche in the Occult, paranormal world, and even with your expertise and books about Crystal Skulls, there is little information on how or why having one, or even knowing about them offers a BIG benefit.

            Sort like people who have quartz collections, who believe they give off some magical power.

            With 359 members in your Facebook group, you should work on expanding that, currently it appears most of your members have some knowledge of the subject.

            You need something more mainstream Occult, a good lead generator. A short report on HOW to use the magic of Crystalskulls to _________ find love, wealth, happiness, you know the usual suspects in that world.

            You can use Facebook ads, TARGETED to other large niches, like Crystal skull ASTROLOGY, along with mini skulls for each sun sign.

            Crystalskull Meditations.

            Did a meditation lead you to explore CRYPTO? There is your million bux, Crystalskull Crypto.

            How to use the magical powers of the CrystalSkull to make your fortune in Cryptocurrency.

            A brief story into your how and why, coupled with a WHY others should have any interest is all the new marketing you need.

            With so many built in backends, especially jewelry and such, you only need a small group of people interested.

            So work on your STORY. Since you've embraced storytelling, give the market what it wants.

            GordonJ
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            • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
              well you see Gordon - this is why I need to speak to a person like you -- there are two types of people - I try to be both - a creative person which is my writer, world traveler and public speaker and the promoter or marketer - its hard to do both -- plus now at 63 - I can't work as long as I use to

              so your ideas are amazing and I thank you for this help - give this man a cigar -- or better yet maybe we need Gordon to share with your own crystal skull

              have a great day - Joshua :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Virginia Sanders
      I think many online marketers have no idea how much marketing you have to do to grt 1 opt in or 1 sale. The numbers needed to get the response yu need to be successful is astronomical for the small business person. You have to be consistent and you have to test, test, test over and over to fnd out which marketing platform is working for you. I wish you the very best. But the key is to keep trying and also
      The idea of "Free" marketing, advertising, is a lie...So, you'll need to pay for your advertising at some level.. Good luck to you
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    One thing that seems to be working for me is moving 3rd party landing pages from their site to mine. That way there's a bit more trust and the landing pages load a lot more quickly.


    Simple but it does work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      so you are saying Brett - by 3rd party landing pages that what it is your offering, product or service -- that you are using the landing page the company offers that you sell the product as an affiliate - just want to make sure I fully understand your point - thank you Brett
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

    I would think when a person becomes a master on-line marketer, has millions of dollars coming in - and really doesn't need more money, they would want to come back and help others to be successful. I have one mentor with my crypto currency - but it would be good for other programs to know another way
    There are probably hundreds / thousands of people here who have "come back" and shared snippets of gold here, sometimes you just need to look deeper.

    As for looking for "other programs"?, it seems you may have developed the next shiny object syndrome? and one thing any succussful person will tell you is they stop chasing shiny objects and focus on getting really good at one thing. You say your already into crypto ? so if that your passion become and be an expert around that and only that as your starting point.
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    • Profile picture of the author andrew kisilu
      Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

      There are probably hundreds / thousands of people here who have "come back" and shared snippets of gold here, sometimes you just need to look deeper.

      As for looking for "other programs"?, it seems you may have developed the next shiny object syndrome? and one thing any succussful person will tell you is they stop chasing shiny objects and focus on getting really good at one thing. You say your already into crypto ? so if that your passion become and be an expert around that and only that as your starting point.
      This is actually some great advise .Get good at one thing and become the expert,then you can venture out to other things with the same strategy.I think one thing that tends to mislead people especially as a newbie and I myself have been and still is sometimes a victim of this is thinking the method you don't know is the one with the money you don't own but want.

      Hope you focus on one thing and dominate.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

    I would think when a person becomes a master on-line marketer, has millions of dollars coming in - and really doesn't need more money, they would want to come back and help others to be successful. I have one mentor with my crypto currency - but it would be good for other programs to know another way.
    Yep, have to agree with Frank, but l would suggest that if your crypto mentor is charging you money, ditch him immediately.

    And if not, then it is up to you, but l would still ditch him, especially if the platitudes that CC is wonderful are coming from him and not from you.

    There are actually several stocks l could recommend that have high value, and can make good money, without all of the hassles and restrictions crypto has.

    But if you are after systems, then try ricky Gutierrez on Youtube, l have been a member there, (free) for a few months, and gained a lot on how to be a successful trader.

    And it has a crypto section, but l only really go there for laughs.

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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      appreciate tagiscom for your tip about Mr. Gutierrez on youtube I will check it out -- and no mentor in crypto does charge me - he doesn't need to - he is probably financially at the level some of you are with your on-line marketing

      didn't want to bring the crypto into this discussion -- as I already know its a highly charged subject -

      but if you have something to share about what you personally are doing from a marketing perspective to add here, it would be appreciate tagis

      thank you
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

        appreciate tagiscom for your tip about Mr. Gutierrez on youtube I will check it out -- and no mentor in crypto does charge me - he doesn't need to - he is probably financially at the level some of you are with your on-line marketing

        didn't want to bring the crypto into this discussion -- as I already know its a highly charged subject -

        but if you have something to share about what you personally are doing from a marketing perspective to add here, it would be appreciate tagis

        thank you
        Marketing no, it has been cramming and learning about online trading for the last 5 months, and getting pretty sick of the cramming part, but thankfully l have read my last book on Day trading, so it will be more hands on than anything else.

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        • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
          good luck with the trading - with crypto there is trading being done too - I use it when its time to buy or sell it -- and like stocks its value goes up and down -- but for me its more about the future - like if you could have bought apple, microsoft, google, amazon stock before they became APPLE, MICROSOFT, GOOGLE, AMAZON --
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

    I will bare my sole here - I am a newbie, have had some success with marketing on-line but as of yet, haven't found a way to have it happen consistently. Talked with others here and there happy to help but want a good cut of money to do so -- and not had that extra to do it -- so I see myself as the little guy.

    If I do find a system, that really truly does work, not just for a few select people but anyone who is willing to put in the time and effort, I would probably write an e-book because this is what I do.

    So I am curious, if there is truly a system, with a step by step process, that doesn't require a huge capital that a newbie, the little guy can use -- that's one.

    And what is the best way to get new people to visit your website ....

    There are so many people coming up with new technique and systems - how do we know what works.

    I have some on-line businesses that could sure use the help

    I would think when a person becomes a master on-line marketer, has millions of dollars coming in - and really doesn't need more money, they would want to come back and help others to be successful. I have one mentor with my crypto currency - but it would be good for other programs to know another way

    so if there is someone out there who has this unbelievable system that really can help the little guy - use me as your guinea pig - and let me make your famous in a book

    Joshua "Illinois" Shapiro
    crystal skull explorer, bitcoin and crypto, author
    and seeking to improve my on-line marketing skills
    What do you consider "limited funds"? There are low budget options. At bare min, you should have hosting and a domain.

    But If you go the "free" traffic route, it will often take much longer than paid traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      Chris -- would assume most people doing an on-line business have a website -- unless they go the affiliate route - but is there some surefire marketing system one can plug into for the traffic that isn't free but the cost is reasonable and it works ... this is what I am trying to ascertain from the amazing people here at the warriors :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Your skills and devotion to creating and connecting do the work Joshua. Or, you do the work buddy.

    Systems are just systems. The best ones are simple, focused on the fundamentals of creating helpful content and building meaningful relationships. A system cannot work unless you work the system. Kinda like expecting a hammer to drive a nail into a wall on its own; ain't gonna happen.

    As for the budget, no need to spend a fortune. Domain and hosting works nicely. Then, learn how to blog, practice, create and connect.

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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      thanks Ryan -- I know you are an expert on blogging and for the businesses I have built what works the best is speaking live to people - using facebook, skype or zoom --

      so since you are an expert on blogging - and understand a simple system is best (again assuming the person will work this system) - what have you done with saw your best results? where do you do your blogging? what niche did you pick or does the niche matter?

      thanks ryan
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  • Profile picture of the author Loard Eva
    You can start dropshipping with a limited fund.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Loard Eva View Post

      You can start dropshipping with a limited fund.
      That is not an on-line marketing system. That's an on-line MMO.

      Focus!
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      • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
        Optedin now be kind - you can rant on me if you like, I am an Aries I can take it but lets be gentle for others ok buddy? :-)
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          Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

          Optedin now be kind - you can rant on me if you like, I am an Aries I can take it but lets be gentle for others ok buddy? :-)
          Please refer to my avatar. :-)

          People supposedly come here to learn. If they don't know the difference between a marketing strategy and an MMO, I'm happy to educate them. You should thank me. That would be more than the poster did. lol

          No good deed goes unpunished!
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            Please refer to my avatar. :-)

            People supposedly come here to learn. If they don't know the difference between a marketing strategy and an MMO, I'm happy to educate them. You should thank me. That would be more than the poster did. lol

            No good deed goes unpunished!
            Put your modesty aside Optedin...YOU

            ARE,

            INDEED...

            the heart and soul of the WF.


            We, with the questions...say (in Dothraki, of course) "It is known."

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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

              Put your modesty aside Optedin
              I was just feigning modesty, but you already knew that. :-)
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            • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
              good answer Gordon - didn't realize my questions were attracting the heart and soul of WF - wow Optedin I am honored - maybe one day I will get on your good side :-)
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              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

                good answer Gordon - didn't realize my questions were attracting the heart and soul of WF - wow Optedin I am honored - maybe one day I will get on your good side :-)
                Why would you think you are not on my good side? If you weren't I wouldn't engage you, at all. That's why they invented the 'ignore' feature.

                You say you like a challenge. That's good, but along with that you need to learn to enjoy the joust. :-)
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                • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
                  ok Optedin got ya - then do you have any recommendations from your vast experience linked to the question I asked on this thread

                  what have you used for your own on-line marketing that has brought you the greatest success?

                  what would you recommend to a person start or struggling to focus on?

                  yes I like to joust - which side of the jousting area are you on the right or the left? :-)
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                  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

                    ok Optedin got ya - then do you have any recommendations from your vast experience linked to the question I asked on this thread
                    I'm not big on making recommendations because I have learned that different strategies, from the large number that are available to you, have different success rates for different people. Your personal strengths and weaknesses, comfort level, budget considerations, time restraints and other factors all come into play in affecting your success with any given methodology. When people give recommendations, they generally are telling you what worked for them, which in reality could have absolutely nothing to do with you and your business.

                    what have you used for your own on-line marketing that has brought you the greatest success?
                    When I was running my businesses full-time, I did very little online marketing. I have an extensive background in telemarketing and always used cold calling as my number one means of generating new business. When I read all the ways that people jump through hoops to try to 'generate traffic,' 'establish relationships,' build trust,' give away something of value,' and realize that they are all doing the same thing, with most of them achieving very little success to show for it, if any at all, I rejoice in the fact that all I have to do is pick up the phone and have a conversation with someone. What could be easier, less-costly and less frustrating?

                    I have never built a mailing list of prospects, I have never split-tested anything, I have never had to angst over sales copy, I have never made a blog post, I have never put a sales link in a forum signature, anywhere and I have never spent a dime to market or promote ny businesses.

                    My second most important way of getting new business is through referrals. I am happy to work for my clients, but when I am finished - and they are happy - from that minute on, they work for me. I told them going in that if they were satisfied with my services I expected referrals, and they happily provide them. That process then become a self-sustaining lead generation model and once again, it doesn't costs a single penny.

                    It's not for everyone. As a matter of fact, I hate to brag (yeah, sure) but not many people can succeed at this. It requires a unique set of talents that few possess and a particular brand of sticktoitiveness that most folks are unable to muster.

                    Recommending my methodology to others is foolish and arrogant. I wouldn't really be helping them, in any way - unless they at least have the courage to give it a try and be willing to face abject failure while they develop their chops.

                    what would you recommend to a person start or struggling to focus on?
                    I don't have an answer for you. You are going to have to take a serious look at all of the available options and based upon all of the parameters I mentioned early on, test a few to ascertain what is the best fit for you and your particular business model.

                    Rest assured that many will chime-in to tell you what you should be doing, but remember what I said. That's about them. Not, you.

                    yes I like to joust - which side of the jousting area are you on the right or the left? :-)
                    I don't do, right-left.' I prefer, 'right-wrong.'

                    Cheers.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
                      thanks Optedin - for sharing about your experiences - so interesting that you are on the WF but not really doing much with the on-line marketing techniques

                      I do agree with you absolutely that if you can create a direct personal relationship with people this is the most effective way for sure

                      all the best my jousting opponent - Joshua
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                      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                        Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

                        thanks Optedin - for sharing about your experiences - so interesting that you are on the WF but not really doing much with the on-line marketing techniques
                        Well, even though I'm formally retired, I do have a few clients that won't allow me to rest and I run a not-for-profit. All of those employ online marketing, so while it's not something I do for myself, it is relevant to them. I may not be on Facebook and Twitter, but I know that they need to be. Sadly! :-)

                        I do agree with you absolutely that if you can create a direct personal relationship with people this is the most effective way for sure.
                        Uh, no. Direct BUSINESS relationship. One of my remaining current clients has turned into a best friend after 3 years because I allowed a business relationship to develop into a personal relationship. Now I'm stuck with a friend. I won't let that happen, ever again. I do enjoy going out to dinner with him, but I've grown tired of hearing him bitch about his wife, "who doesn't appreciate how hard he works." lol That's what a personal relationship, gets you.

                        all the best my jousting opponent - Joshua
                        Enjoy your day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      thanks Loard and this is true - but still you have to have a system that is reach potential customers (on-line marketing) which is what I am explorer with the great people on this forum - some ideas or experiences you have had with marketing then? :-) thank you ...
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Well i think its not a sure system to make money easy ,of course they are but these are made after gaining a lot of audience building a good email list etc ,being an authority etc .You cannot expect as a newbie to find a great system and if it is people will not show it to you if they get good money .I know in my case when i find a good method or something important i dont want to share it with others as i can get a lot of competittion
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      Hey spartan - thanks for sharing your insights - it is said that when someone finds a good system they don't share it - I don't know maybe I am crazy but I think like it is written in think and grow rich, the book, that when we share a system with others and help them (called tithing) we see great things back

      thanks Spartan for chipping in
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    For less than $100 you can get involved with a Legacy MLM Company that will allow you to create your own business and offer free training/education/support/tools in order to succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      thanks Durable - sounds interesting - and sounds like this is working for you - however I am curious about more marketing strategies or systems that can help people who already have a website or on-line business looking to help them build their business and bring in more traffic -- do you have some success with such a system?

      thanks for contributing to this discussion - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Research these topics using Google:

    How to find and connect with influencers

    How to increase Facebook group members

    How to do backlink research for high ranking sites

    Intro to retargeting

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  • Profile picture of the author Ian5
    My advice: explore your tatger audience, their habits, behavior, goals, reactions etc... Everything that have an influence on them!
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    • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
      It is this simple but gaining clarity enough to see it, and act on this advice. is uncomfortable for most folks.
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  • Profile picture of the author wieserd
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    Hello Joshua,

    So I am curious, if there is truly a system, with a step by step process, that doesn't require a huge capital that a newbie, the little guy can use -- that's one.
    I understand your point of view. You have that believe in "one system" that will make all your dreams come true and all that money flowing in. This is simply not happening... Why? Because there is not "one" system.

    Nobody is obligated to give you anything for free. Nobody is obligated to help you. Harsh but the truth. By the way, one might believe that you'd have enough money yourself if you are into bitcoin...

    That being said, everything is a copy of a copy of a copy.
    There really is nothing new under the sun.
    Online marketing is simply another way of the marketing used in direct mail and mail order. You should start buying and reading books on mail oder.

    There are so many people coming up with new technique and systems - how do we know what works.
    Implementation... it only works if you do. Also: Study the BASICS!

    Most people make money selling courses and other type of "information products". Buy books on the topic of "Selling Information" by Bob Bly, Russ von Hoelscher or Jeffrey Lant. Also get the book "Shortcut Secrets to Internet Riches" from Amazon. (ASIN: 3903062634)

    Those are good starting points.

    I would think when a person becomes a master on-line marketer, has millions of dollars coming in - and really doesn't need more money, they would want to come back and help others to be successful
    They do. They sell you their information for a very little price... :-)
    If you pay $ 10 or $ 20 for a book or an ebook and you learn how to make $ 100 or even $ 1,000 wouldn't you say this was a good deal?
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by wieserd View Post

      By the way, one might believe that you'd have enough money yourself if you are into bitcoin...
      I didn't want to go there. I figured I had given him enough static for one day. :-)

      We see this a lot from the Bitcoiners. Why are they all so short on cash?
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      • Profile picture of the author wieserd
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        We see this a lot from the Bitcoiners. Why are they all so short on cash?
        Maybe because they invested everything in Bitcoin?

        But jokes aside, I wrote an answer that would have helped me when I started. He hasn't replied yet...

        - Will he do the research himself?
        - Will he finally learn how to "make money online" in a few years from today?
        - Or will he give up right away?

        So many questions...
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    Sorry i am not aware of this information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon Sheley
    Determination and hard work will help the new comers.
    Find related sites with questions you can answer.
    Build your name and your brand up by helping others.
    Fill your site with quality content your guest are searching for.

    good luck, you can do it!
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

    good luck with the trading - with crypto there is trading being done too - I use it when its time to buy or sell it -- and like stocks its value goes up and down -- but for me its more about the future - like if you could have bought apple, microsoft, google, amazon stock before they became APPLE, MICROSOFT, GOOGLE, AMAZON --
    Thanks, and the Ricky crowd l am with also covers an individual who turns IPO's into big successes.

    Or anything he puts his finger to succeeds.

    I won't list that here, as they might get p***ed with me, but they do cover that in some of their videos.

    I have looked into their lists, and the IPO does increase quite a bit, but it is a very long term thing.

    A bit like buy AAPL in 1980, and wait til it takes off.

    PS Please use the quote button, in classic view.
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  • Profile picture of the author Deevoo
    I have a simple suggestion for you. Youtube is a good start if you want to target cryptocurrency audience. Look for a channel and offer them a partnership. They can mention your website and you can mention the channel in your website to your audience. If they like your contents, even if you have a low number of visitors, they might accept your offer and hopefully it'll work out for both of you.
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    • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
      Originally Posted by Deevoo View Post

      I have a simple suggestion for you. Youtube is a good start if you want to target cryptocurrency audience. Look for a channel and offer them a partnership. They can mention your website and you can mention the channel in your website to your audience. If they like your contents, even if you have a low number of visitors, they might accept your offer and hopefully it'll work out for both of you.
      Ditto on this; YouTube seems to be a meeting place for crypto folks. A few folks have asked to interview me on the topic because I share some content here and there; no expert. Not even a novice LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamel Hassell
    I heard you say that you have had a bit of success so something is working. You have to be careful not to get caught up in the information web thinking that you need a mentor or to spend a few dollars on the latest secret. You need to be actively testing and tweaking ,there is no one size fits all aporoach.

    To answer you next question about how to get traffic to your site.
    .You need to be producing good content that either inspires solves educates etc...You also need to be sharing that content on your website to build awareness and get traffic.A good SEO strategy will help boost your website too.
    1 On page seo
    2 off page seo
    3 good headlines
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  • Profile picture of the author amuro
    Yes, there is.

    But it may not be the answer you like to hear.

    Yet someone asked and told me this before.

    Sales and marketing - be it on-or-offline - is NOT just about selling things to people and making money.

    It is all about knowing, connecting and helping the people in your niche first before recommending any products or services.

    Doesn't matter if they are from Clickbank, JVZoo or Warrior Plus etc.

    You see when it comes to marketing, the most COMMON mistake I see most people make - including myself - is

    Choosing and recommending products too quickly just to make money without a CLEAR understanding of what their target market NEEDS and WANTS.

    That is precisely why they could not make money consistently or any at all.

    You see most courses started like these.

    1. Getting Your Mindset Right

    2. Choosing Your Niche

    3. Picking And Recommending Products In Your Niche From Affiliate Networks.

    4. Building A Website And

    5. Then Drive Traffic To Make Money Or Follow Up Through List Building And Email Marketing.


    However there is a problem - a missing gap between Steps 2 And 3.

    And do you know what that is?

    That is knowing where your target market is, how to connect with them and help them -

    That gets them to buy and you to earn.
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  • Profile picture of the author amuro
    My point is very simple.

    It is not about what you know and how you market.

    But how to connect and be the go-to-person for your target audience.
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  • Profile picture of the author stefgrandgi
    There are tons of ways and methods on how to make money online that really work.

    Do a little bit of research and make sure that testimonial a not fake, look for income proofs, but not only screenshots... they should show live videos (even if networks usually don't like that...)

    Then select one and stick to it until you make money... Forget shiny objects and focus...

    Focus is the key...
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  • Profile picture of the author affmarketer101
    Yep, start small, get some money use it for re-investing.
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  • Profile picture of the author lorihil
    Hi Joshua, I would check out Circle of Profit. Anik has a platform that goes along with the book called Lurn Nation. Many of the courses on Lurn are free. Traffic, copywriting, etc. I am going through the book and courses now. Cheers to your success!
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    Yes, there's an online system for the little guy with limited funds. It's called finding something that works and then doing a whole lot of it. I'm not trying to come off the wrong way here, but I think sometimes people want to get excited by a method. Excitement in a lot of cases leads to being let down. I used to be this way. I'd see a program being sold here or somewhere else, get excited by the salespage and order because of this. My excitement would quickly die down and then I'd just repeat the process all over again. The most simple and boring methods are what will work to make you money online. If you can find them package in pretty gift wrapping (fancy sales pages) then so be it. Don't focus on this though. Sometimes that can help you is this simple book by Robert G. Allen that keeps things very simple. Click the link below.

    https://www.jamiiforums.com/attachme...ion-pdf.42419/
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  • Profile picture of the author sreeprashanth
    Hello Joshua Shapiro,

    The most simple way is to start a meaningful engagement with your niche audience or threads in this forum by providing value to that thread can get you a lot.

    Even crypto niche can be helpful if you post relevant info here in this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author ehlee
    The internet makes things fair. The thing I learned is to start doing and make your site visible. Bloggers will reciprocate once you share their content. Start posting on social media. Like Kobe Bryant says, "There's a thousand ways to skin a cat." Choose a path and go for it. It starts with having a blog. Your blog doesn't have to be well designed yet. Start writing. Look at Craigslist...probably the ugliest site but generates billions. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author bethpridgen
    Well I believe that its not a certain system to generate money simple,of course they're but these are created after obtaining a great deal of audience creating a fantastic email list ,having an authority .You cannot anticipate as a newbie to discover a fantastic system and when it's individuals won't reveal it to you whenever they get good cash. Once I find a way or something I want to discuss it like I can Find a Great Deal of competittion I am interested in my situation
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  • Profile picture of the author ClaudiaStagner
    1 thing which appears to be working for me is transferring mine party landing pages. That way there trust and also the landing pages load a whole lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author jobdollarr
    You just need to keep reading.

    And find a gap to make money online.

    Rich people have greater passive income than lifestyle

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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
    To all those who joined this conversation I thank you - as most who have written are people who have seen success on-line -- this is the beauty of any forum is that people are open to share with others based on their own success - most of the techniques that have been mentioned I have heard before but the challenge then is patience, time and perfectly one or two key techniques ---

    from a personal perspective, I have had my moments to see success on-line, every month we see sales but it has never been consistent - I do want to acknowledge here Gordon J. who I met on skype and he shared his insights based on my situation which I am still thinking how to best implement what he said ....

    but now I would like to turn the tables on the question a bit and ask a new question here -- to those who have responded with suggestions to the original questions who are currently totally successful and no longer concerned with what amount you earn any more and it is flowing in -- this new question is geared toward helping the WF members, which I am sure quite a few little guys have been drawn to this post to learn and this new question is this:

    How long did it take for those who are now successful on-line to get to the point when you had extra resources to not only pay bills but to invest fully in your business and promote it?? In the early days, what did you have to do to build your business up when you didn't have these extra resources?

    Another comment I hear echoing by some who responded is that there is no one system that you just follow step by step - that will take you to a higher level - it requires a few strategies and perservances - it requires an understanding of your market - how to balance free information and insights given verses paid products and services ...

    Just trying to see how to keep this conversation going -- and how it might benefit more little guys, which at one stage in our developments of our businesses we all started as ...

    thank you to all contributing -- it seems this dialogue has its moments when it is quite and gets busy -- Joshua :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author affmarketer101
    Dropship is good for start limited-fund business.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by affmarketer101 View Post

      Dropship is good for start limited-fund business.
      Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the topic being discussed. Focus!
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  • Profile picture of the author 100jancic
    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

    I will bare my sole here - I am a newbie, have had some success with marketing on-line but as of yet, haven't found a way to have it happen consistently. Talked with others here and there happy to help but want a good cut of money to do so -- and not had that extra to do it -- so I see myself as the little guy.

    If I do find a system, that really truly does work, not just for a few select people but anyone who is willing to put in the time and effort, I would probably write an e-book because this is what I do.

    So I am curious, if there is truly a system, with a step by step process, that doesn't require a huge capital that a newbie, the little guy can use -- that's one.

    And what is the best way to get new people to visit your website ....

    There are so many people coming up with new technique and systems - how do we know what works.

    I have some on-line businesses that could sure use the help

    I would think when a person becomes a master on-line marketer, has millions of dollars coming in - and really doesn't need more money, they would want to come back and help others to be successful. I have one mentor with my crypto currency - but it would be good for other programs to know another way

    so if there is someone out there who has this unbelievable system that really can help the little guy - use me as your guinea pig - and let me make your famous in a book

    Joshua "Illinois" Shapiro
    crystal skull explorer, bitcoin and crypto, author
    and seeking to improve my on-line marketing skills
    Hey Joshua... So let me start by saying one big YES! You can create a working system for yourself... And I Intentionally said to create it for yourself, because in my opinion that is the best way to do it.

    So how to create a system... Well first you need to understand the foundation of it all...

    So before I continue any further, let me say right away it is possible to earn without any or minimal investment online and the only difference is that those that have some funds to invest will be able to do it in a faster way. But if you understand all foundations of marketing and how and where to promote anything online, you have all it takes to make it work...

    When you don't have any money to invest, you are actually paying with your time, and everyone starting new in marketing should be aware of that... So the only thing actually money, we are investing, is doing for us is saving us time.

    So if you don't have money to invest in starting your online business, don't sweat about it, you will be still able to succeed if you are willing to put in time and effort.
    I won't lie to you it won't be easy, but it is doable...

    Next, one of the things people do the most is over complicate things... So let's make a rule and do everything in most basic way from this point forward.

    If you start thinking in a way where you simplify everything it will help you a lot to figure out things in this online world where you get bombarded literally with information each day, getting in an "information overload" mode which once you enter is not easy to shake off.

    How do you know you are in "information overload" mode? Well it's usually pretty safe to say you are there, when you come to a point where you are posting a question on a forum starting with something like "I will bare my sole here".

    So how do you exit the "Information overload" mode?

    It's actually simple... Just strip all the information to the bare minimum...

    So what do you need to earn any money online?

    - You need an offer of some kind and you need to send traffic to that offer

    This is the bare minimum, I think we would all agree on.

    So next thing we need to take care of before we continue is to Exit The "Shinny Object" Mode.

    What is a "Shiny Object" Mode? Well it's a phenomenon most of new guys fall in trap with, when they are buying all the newest products, newest methods, newest tools on the market hoping it will give them amazing results, but in fact are leading them nowhere and are just making them go in circles searching for the next "Shiny Object".

    So how to exit the "Shiny Object" Mode?
    Simply,when you are first starting out, forget about all those fancy tools and software that is doing everything for you in 1-click solution, forget about all the new methods out there , forget everything and start focusing on the foundation of all. Now don't get me wrong all those tools are not bad,in fact they are a great time saver, but for an average newbie guy they are just one big distraction when they are starting. They are taking their attention away from foundation of everything.

    So If a guy understands the foundation he can create a successful campaign using a notepad and any free traffic source. He don't need anything else

    So KEYWORD - SIMPLIFY!

    Next, what kind of offer to promote?

    Well since since you are a newbie and we want to simplify things, it is best to find an offer that is newbie friendly... So for example when a person is just starting it's a lot easier for that person to make someone do some action than it is to make a person buy something... So for beginners something like a CPA offer where a visitor needs to enter their email for you to get paid is something that is is great to start with...

    Now one thing to remember is that the more valuable and the more costly the products you are promoting is, the more marketing skill it would take you to sell it.

    That's why people are selling low ticket products via sale letters, mid-range priced products via webinars and high ticket products via webinars and phone calls etc.

    The higher the price you are trying to sell for the more sophisticated your marketing approach needs to be.

    So knowing this, and since we want to follow the rule of simplicity let's start you with a beginner offer that is using CPA as monetising option. So find an offer that is going to pay you for sending people to enter their email address to the system.

    So now when you know what you want to promote, the next thing is to figure out where to promote it.

    Ok we started from the base premise that we need an offer and a traffic to that offer...

    Next upgrade to that base premise is that we need an offer and we need to present it to the right kind of traffic.

    If you for example have an offer that is showing people how to earn money online if they enter their email address, you will want to promote on places where there are people that are interested in earning money online.

    When you find that kind of place, the next thing is for you to figure out how you want to promote it... Now here is the part where a lot of newbies just think it's enough if they find the offer and then just send traffic to it and that's it... The people will start pouring in to their websites... Well in most cases they are in for a big let down. Always try to look from the perspective of the visitor... Is it something that you would visit and leave your email to... Keep in mind that in marketing having a relationship with your audience is key... And again the more pricier and more costly the product you are promoting the stronger relationship you would need... So that's why I told you for a start for someone that is a beginner, a CPA offer is a good start, simply because you don't need to build a very strong relationship for that kind of offers... People are pretty curious by nature and for them to get a piece of information they want by entering their email is not something you need to have very strong relationship with them. BUT there we get to the next upgrade to our basic premise...

    So let's see what we had so far

    Basic premise - We need an offer and a traffic
    UPGRADE 1 - We need an offer and a right kind of traffic for it
    UPGRADE 2 - We need a simple, right kind of (CPA) offer that we will present to people in a way to make them curious and offer it to a right kind of traffic.

    So in our example with our CPA offer when you get all of this just right that is when you will start earning.

    When you start earning with that CPA offer and when you get to a point when you feel you can do it with ease, that is the time when you should look to go on the next level.

    Next level is trying to promote more valuable products, trying to go from CPA offers to offers where you need to make visitors to buy something etc.

    This is also the time when you need to upgrade your marketing skills as well... So you will do that by trying to build a stronger relationship with your visitors.

    One general rule you should follow... Don't chase the money, instead focus on really helping the people to reach their goals and dreams and the money will start to chase you... Those people will be grateful to you and they would be more than happy to pay you for your knowledge and your help. So always keep that in mind.

    Also sometimes you don't even have to promote anything in a common way... Look at this post of mine... I tried to give you a value in this post and something you can really use and be helpful in your business, I didn't post you a link saying check out this course or subscribe to my link... but i do have a link to my website posted in my signature. So in that way I have laid out a bridge for you... That is actually how I built a connection with you. So don't look at visitors just as some numbers but rather try to connect with them and try to understand them, that will put your marketing on a whole another level.

    Next thing is to start learning new things from there and building a system for yourself along the way.

    I didn't give you a step by step system in this post like you asked for, but I hope I gave you an insight and idea how to think about things.

    So Simplify everything, determine the key components (offer, traffic method, how to present offer, whom to present it to etc) and start learning how to upgrade your methods and improve your marketing skills.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
    100jancic - wow I think you over did yourself with your answer but it was a great answer and that you took time to put this together does you get credit -- you did absolutely simplify it for sure -- but still if you would be open to continue writing - it seems we stalled on the traffic - where to find the right people with little to invest for advertising - if you could expand a bit more there I think would be helpful - I know about a CPA offer but when I tried before, couldn't find the right traffic - thank you again for taking this time 100jan
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared White
    have you researched any free traffic tools or tactics on Youtube?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      Jared can you give some example of which tools or tactics you are referring to ... thank you - Joshua
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  • If you have a small fund for your business advertising and you want to presence your business on internet then you can run paid campaign. Nowadays google has launched smart campaign. you can target your audience very easily through this technique.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      Nair - not heard about google's smart campaign - what type of fee are we talking about and how effective would this be? thank you - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Hunsons
    you can manually build back links and there is no funds required.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      Rob - thanks for answering - where do you find these back links - is there an on-line source and how effective can it be - thanks - Joshua
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

        how effective can it be
        Different results for everyone, just like every other marketing technique, know to man.

        You keep asking questions. What action have you taken so far based on the answers you have already received?

        Yes - that was a rhetorical question. :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
          a good question Optedin -- Jancic is planning to formalize more what he shared and I plan to join him and GordonJ - looked at my website linked to the paranormal and we spoke on skype where he gave me a few suggestions that now that I have a new paranormal book out - and my page about it done will be pursuing --

          however, my ultimate objective was to see if there is a system of any kind that a newbie could do -- with limited funds and perhaps what jancic is planning may fit the bill

          for the most part just trying to keep the discussion here going using my author-interview self - apparently since we have had quite a bit activity the forces that be at WF featured this chat and we got new activity recently

          I am still very much moving with the bitcoin which I still know is going to break in the next few months and explode again like it did last year even if no one in this forum (or very few I should say) are paying attention -- no matter what, all of us one day will have to be able to let our customers buy whatever products or services we sell with crypto - pay attention to what Amazon is doing - why did they buy 3 crypto named domain names - what is their plan -- is McDonalds and Starbucks really going to experiment with bitcoin for a few of their products

          I am already in alignment with a development group and using their system for our books (printed and e-book) to offer them via bitcoin and litecoin

          so thanks for asking Optedin what actions I am doing with what has been shared so far - again thanks to all who have contributed!!
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          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
            Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

            I still hope it is going to break in the next few months and explode again like it did last year
            Corrected for accuracy.

            There's a chance it may explode, again - but the results might be as welcome as a bout explosive diarrhea.

            A little Saturday morning artistic visual for you. Enjoy!
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            • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
              this is what I am hoping one day my good and respected WF friend - Optedin -- one day you will all surprise with a comment that is extremely positive - like maybe you will have a great day - you will be so uplifted and excited that we will see in this discussion such joy and excitement coming from you - everyone reading your post will have to stop and read it again to see if they read it correct

              one can be hoping for such a day -- regardless how bitcoins and crypto does - and what a day that will be :--)

              an eternal optimist -- see I even have part of your name here :--)
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              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

                Optedin -- one day you will all surprise with a comment that is extremely positive - like maybe you will have a great day - you will be so uplifted and excited that we will see in this discussion such joy and excitement coming from you - everyone reading your post will have to stop and read it again to see if they read it correct
                Well, I believe by "extremely positive," you mean the spreading of the unending bullshit that is thrown around in order to create the feeling of joy, rainbows, lollipops and unicorns.

                No, that's not my job. I have two speeds. Either try to answer a question truthfully, regardless of the way it might be received, or calling out the BS that in the end, helps no one and can really wind-up hurting people - and their wallets.

                Neither of those have anything to do with my personal happiness. I'm happier than I have ever been in my life and more content with my existence than should be legal. I love waking up each morning, knowing that I am free to do anything I want, or nothing should I so choose, though I never opt for the latter.

                I'm sorry if you interpret my desire to point-out the drivel, claptrap and psychobabble mumbo-jumbo as being mean to others, or originating in some dark crevice of my psyche. I can assure you that is not the case. Nor do I have some giant chip on my shoulder or resentment of others for any perceived slights.

                I'm an actor. I have been my whole life. At one point I was a professional actor in NYC and was a member of all 3 professional acting unions. I made more money as an actor that 90% of the people struggling to get a job. I worked, continuously. Being a good actor has kept me from getting my ass kicked by bozos for most of my life and has allowed me to excel in sales, especially in telesales, where I can hide the fact that I look like Quasimodo and get people to think they're talking to George Clooney. Yes - I'm that friggin' good. My rampant narcissism is just the icing on the cake and also contributes to my presentation and self-image. I love me - who do you love???

                My online persona is my schtick and the image of myself that I present to the world is much more interesting, albeit considerably more annoying, than my actual personality - which can be overly-serious, reserved and not all that interesting. Hell - I can bore myself to tears - but I'll never bore you. lol

                You don't need to worry about me, or think that I'm some manic-depressive that is taking everything that is wrong with his life, out on the rest of the world. I'm doing just fine and all I hear from most of my friends is how they wish they could have my life, instead of their own. I must be doing something right. Additionally, I have a dog. That always makes life close to perfect.

                While I can be harsh, I try to never be cruel and I do believe all of my postulations. Of those, I am quite serious. You should just sit back and enjoy the show. I'm harmless and if approached with an open mind, I've been told that I can be quite amusing, though I guess some would say that 'tedious' might be a better choice of words. What do they know? They are intellectual and emotional Lilliputians.

                So - anytime you seem unable to figure why I say the things I say or say them in the manner in which I do, simply refer to my avatar. I's 100% true. I simply DO NOT sugar-coat, shit! Life is way to short for that.

                Lighten-up. We'll be dead, soon enough. You don't look like no spring-chicken, yourself. :-)

                Cheers.

                P.S. All of my friends find my relentless optimism, nauseating. It's the Libra, in me. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author odlesmarketing
    Yes, Why not. Online marketing really works for a small business with limited funds. There is the much online marketing strategy for small business with limited funds.
    you can coordinate with the third-party app like Justdial, Sulekha, Indiamart, OXL there are many options its an only one strategy. I have too much option for small business.
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  • Profile picture of the author bethpridgen
    If you opt for marketing in today It works sms is your advertising method. Dial4sms is one of the very best internet advertising supplier.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      Beth what is Dial4sms all about - its obvious we must think about mobile (cell) phones for our marketing as well - any other info you can share is appreciated to help the people following this discussion ... have a great weekend - Joshua :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author salsym
    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

    I will bare my sole here - I am a newbie, have had some success with marketing on-line but as of yet, haven't found a way to have it happen consistently. Talked with others here and there happy to help but want a good cut of money to do so -- and not had that extra to do it -- so I see myself as the little guy.

    If I do find a system, that really truly does work, not just for a few select people but anyone who is willing to put in the time and effort, I would probably write an e-book because this is what I do.

    So I am curious, if there is truly a system, with a step by step process, that doesn't require a huge capital that a newbie, the little guy can use -- that's one.

    And what is the best way to get new people to visit your website ....

    There are so many people coming up with new technique and systems - how do we know what works.

    I have some on-line businesses that could sure use the help

    I would think when a person becomes a master on-line marketer, has millions of dollars coming in - and really doesn't need more money, they would want to come back and help others to be successful. I have one mentor with my crypto currency - but it would be good for other programs to know another way

    so if there is someone out there who has this unbelievable system that really can help the little guy - use me as your guinea pig - and let me make your famous in a book

    Joshua "Illinois" Shapiro
    crystal skull explorer, bitcoin and crypto, author
    and seeking to improve my on-line marketing skills
    I would say, I am nearly in the same boat as you. It was always one step forward and two step backward. But slowly things have started improving when I became serious about my email marketing. I still do not have a huge list but I have managed to build a list of approx. 2000 contacts. Even with a list of only 2000 contacts, the overall business looks more sustainable.
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  • Profile picture of the author ClaudiaStagner
    I have a tip for you. If you would like to target audience that is cryptocurrency youtube is a fantastic start. Search for a station and supply an enterprise to them. Your site can be mentioned by them and you're able to cite the station on your site. Even in case you've got a number of traffic, they may accept your deal, if they enjoy your own contents and it is going to work out for the two of you.
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  • Profile picture of the author drquek2
    I believe selling affiliate product is one of the proven ways to make a recurring income online.

    There are many ways to do it.

    Different people may do it differently.

    But this is how I do it:

    I will do some reseach to find an affiliate product which has been selling well online.

    How did I find the product?

    I spent some time seaching for good affiliate products online.

    I came across a high ticket product online which is promoted by many other successful marketers. I looked for high ticket items because it is the most profitable in the long run.

    It is important that the product has a built-in funnel which promotes several cheap products, with low entry levels.

    The product is about how to sell affiliate products online using free and paid traffic, and has ready made products with marketing materials and bonuses for beginners to promote.

    I bought the product myself. I read what is in the pdf guide thoroughly and implemented every steps taught in the guide.

    This took me nearly a month, part time. (I have a full time job as a profesional engineer.)

    I tried implementing the approach taught and found my own ways around (twists) by simplifying the approach.

    Then I spent some time to create a very useful video training course (basically a product walk-through video) teaching beginners how to do the same.

    This is a 6 part video training course on Youtube which I give away for free.

    I started promoting the course using the very approach I learned from the pdf guide.

    I used an optin page with an autoresponder to collect the names and emails of my prospects.

    The autoresponder will send them Videos 1 to 5- one a day for five consecutive day.

    Then I followed up with autoresponder messages DAILY (yes daily) to promote the cheap entry level product I mentioned earlier.


    In order to promote my video training course, I added the following approach which is optional:

    I made Videos 1 to 5 of the course free.

    But to watch video 6, they must refer three persons to watch Video 1.

    Videos 1 to 5 explain different aspects of selling affiliate products online.

    Inside Videos 1 to 5, I explained there are more freebies and tips if they watched Video 6.

    This way, the video becomes self-promoting, as the participants of my training course must promote Video 1 to three of their friends if they want to watch Video 6 (which they wanted badly to).

    In this manner, the videos will become "viral" and I do not have to refer new prospects after my first level referrals- as they will continue to grow rapidly by themselves through compounding effect.

    In addition, the traffic to my Youtube videos will help to propel my videos higher on Youtube and Google seach engine, thus attracting more traffic to my video training course.

    Of course, I made sure my Youtube videos have proper titles, descriptions and tags.

    The above is how I do it.

    Hope you find it useful.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by drquek2 View Post

      Hope you find it useful.
      Once, again - since it doesn't really address the OP's question, it doesn't help, at all. You can't really help someone if you are not willing to carefully read their post, give it careful consideration, develop a cogent response and then post accordingly.

      Make, sense?

      I get it, though. You were simply pimping your signature link. Nicely, done!
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by amalrichard View Post

          for that we can make real money in 39 ways. that are listed in my website.
          Again, that is NOT what was asked and promoting your signature link in the content of your post, violates forum rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan S
    Work and concentrate to a method or system that works best for you. On SEO, consider right choice of keywords, link building, and other traffic generation methods including social media.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      thanks Jonathan for sharing and yes indeed, this idea of focus or working on one system or method and perfect it or get good at it - has been voiced but what are you doing that has brought your success - what system or method do you like - thank you - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author Miranda123
    I was also once a little boy with limited funds. I did not have the money to buy my new clothes. today I bought myself the latest model of iphone and collect money for a new car. I'm doing business online. created my online store and sold clothes to people. In parallel, I double my income at sports betting. for me it's a great income option. I do not sit in the office for 8 hours a day and I have plenty of time that i can spend with my family. who wants to try to bet on sports - that's a good bookmaker.
    I wish you success and great money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      but the key here Miranda is what did you do to become so successful on-line - my goal with this post was to help the beginner or the little person -- plus I believe strongly in what was written in the book, Think and Grow Rich by Napolean Hill to tithe back - if you can share more others following this discussion could greatly benefit -- have a great day - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamel Hassell
    Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

    I will bare my sole here - I am a newbie, have had some success with marketing on-line but as of yet, haven't found a way to have it happen consistently. Talked with others here and there happy to help but want a good cut of money to do so -- and not had that extra to do it -- so I see myself as the little guy.

    If I do find a system, that really truly does work, not just for a few select people but anyone who is willing to put in the time and effort, I would probably write an e-book because this is what I do.

    So I am curious, if there is truly a system, with a step by step process, that doesn't require a huge capital that a newbie, the little guy can use -- that's one.

    And what is the best way to get new people to visit your website ....

    There are so many people coming up with new technique and systems - how do we know what works.

    I have some on-line businesses that could sure use the help

    I would think when a person becomes a master on-line marketer, has millions of dollars coming in - and really doesn't need more money, they would want to come back and help others to be successful. I have one mentor with my crypto currency - but it would be good for other programs to know another way

    so if there is someone out there who has this unbelievable system that really can help the little guy - use me as your guinea pig - and let me make your famous in a book

    Joshua "Illinois" Shapiro
    crystal skull explorer, bitcoin and crypto, author
    and seeking to improve my on-line marketing skills
    You are all over the place as you have mutiple business but no control of what you do. Do you want to pursue crypto or internet marketing. You need to pin point what you want to do and drill down .Your mind is all over the place .

    I do fully support having a system that is efficient but that is just one aspect of the equation.The most important piece of the puzzle is whether or not you are learning and implementing techniques that lead to sales.
    Do you have the patience and discipline to follow through if not you will be wasting time and energy
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Jamel Hassell View Post

      Do you want to pursue crypto or internet marketing. You need to pin point what you want to do and drill down.
      I believe he is looking to develop strong Internet marketing techniques to build his involvement (and suckering - uh, convincing, others) into sharing the dream.

      Internet marketing is just a phrase, if you're not actually pushing a product or service. Unless, of course someone is just looking to attract visitors to another immensely successful blog. (sarcasm), which, theoretically you could call a service.

      Cheers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
        we all have our opinions Optedin - god bless you for sharing yours here - Joshua
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Joshua Shapiro View Post

          we all have our opinions Optedin - god bless you for sharing yours here - Joshua
          Well, now you've gone and mentioned two things I don't believe in. lol
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Joshua -


            Please either switch to the 'classic view' (available in the drop down when you click your 'user name' in the black toolbar above)to use 'multi quote' button...or learn to copy/paste quotes so you can answer multiple people in one post. Works much better.
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Joshua -


              Please either switch to the 'classic view' (available in the drop down when you click your 'user name' in the black toolbar above)to use 'multi quote' button...or learn to copy/paste quotes so you can answer multiple people in one post. Works much better.
              Since the OP has changed directions, and the thread is now Spam Bait, perhaps the mods might consider a lock, and let the OP begin a new thread, more targeted to what he wants to know today?

              Just thinking out loud here.

              GordonJ
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              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                Since the OP has changed directions, and the thread is now Spam Bait, perhaps the mods might consider a lock, and let the OP begin a new thread, more targeted to what he wants to know today?

                Just thinking out loud here.

                GordonJ
                I reported the latest spam, hours, ago. I guess folks are sleeping in, today. :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I was once a little boy with limited funds

            ....named Beth. Right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      James - thank you for answering - of course it is true one needs to focus on a specific opportunity or business is a key for success -- so lets put that issue a side on myself for now and focus more on a system --

      some people have said that if a person works hard enough and as you say learns and implement technique over time they will see success -- so it doesn't matter what system they are using

      my question was more asking outloud looking at the many people who do struggle to have success with an on-line business if there was some type of system or business that if one dedicated themself to, followed the steps taught - didn't have so much funds to begin could see an income and start to build it from there

      because it seems to me, that just as your statement echoed - you found your own success not because of what system or business model you used but staying with it, learning, taking action and being consistent - which is indeed about patience and discipline -

      my hope here was that some WF members who have seen success - maybe there is a way to help the little person to get going - all I have found that seems consistent is if you do on-line surveys they will pay you but you do a lot of work (using your time) for a little pay ...

      appreciate you taking time to answer - have a great day - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author locvfx
    you need money to make money.
    You can start at $0 investment but it is very hard and you need time.
    To make money online, you need website, pay for webhosting + domain, and then when you start to get traffic, try to put affiliate links to get commission
    Affiliate marketing is the easiest way and you don't need big capital at the beginning
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      thanks locvfx - but the challenge I found with affiliate marketing was getting traffic and the right customers - how did you overcome this? - thanks Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Bridgen
    I find the best way is to find people who need your service and put that service in front of them. Go to facebook start a page and friend people who are interested in your service. Answer questions and in no time you are in front of the game. Friend 25 people a day see how it goes Hope it helps
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      thanks Robert - its clear facebook is a good source to build your business -- how you are finding the 25 friends a day - going into groups linked to your product and service and inviting them - what product or service are you personally working with? -- thank you - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author ewb5085
    There are so many courses out there and different avenues to make money.
    I'm sure there is people who can help around here if you were more specific.
    I'm in the middle of finishing a tutorial on email list building myself but there is seo, adsense, affiliate marketing, and CPA just to name a few.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
    thanks ewb -- the challenge the beginner or newbie has is which of these avenues provides the best way to begin into an on-line business -- CPA of course offers something to offer but usually traffic or where to get traffic can be challenging - related to email list building for your tutorial what method of traffic are you using - thanks for participating here - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Bridgen
    Hi I feel your pain I was in the same boat and yes I am also almost 70 years old. I started six years ago trying everything I was told to do to make money as a affiliate marketer I purchased 15 to 20 programs and 1 started to work for me and then I got another one. Yes I put in the hours and would not give up but what changed my way of affiliate marketing is that. I do not look for a product to sell. I find a problem people have then put the answer to the problem in from of them. Instant sales with less work. That is the key. I now enjoy my retirement with a good living doing what ever I like. Because I worked in the trenches and understood affiliate marketing then purchase the big ticket items to make my business automated. Hope I have helped

    To answer your question. yes. 6 years ago I was trying to make it as a affiliate marketer. I purchased 15 to 20 courses before I found the one that helped me and I built on that success. It took 14 days to make my first sale. today I am working from home full time in my retirement. It worked for me but I want to be honest it is not a get rich quick system. But if you keep at it in 6 months you will start to make good sales and in 12 month you could be a full time marketer it is just what you put into it. To be honest it too me. 2 years before I purchased the very program that helped me out. I now have a automated business. Thanks for the question
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      Robert thank you for responding - so it does seem what has been shared around this question that for most people it was such keys as perservance, time, finding the right business to work and which resonates for you - the product doesn't seem to make much difference, the on-line marketing system being used though - is it unique - are they all the same and people succeed who work hard and master it (however long it takes)? - any other thoughts or ideas - congratulation you can live in retirement comfortably - thank you - Joshua
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  • cant really said anything but I tried affiliated program but don't seem it working
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  • Profile picture of the author bethpridgen
    I was once a little boy with limited funds. I didn't have the money to purchase my clothing that are new. I bought myself the latest model of iphone and collect cash for a car today. I am doing business online. Made my store and sold clothes. In parallel, my earnings doubles at sports betting. For me it's a fantastic revenue option. I don't sit at the office for 2 hours a day and I have plenty of time that I can spend with my loved ones. Who wishes to attempt to bet on sports - that's a fantastic bookmaker.
    I wish you great and success money.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnsmith9200
    The World Wide Web is a tool with endless limits. Creating and maintaining a business presence online is more practical than ever before. In fact, online companies are popping up out of the woodworks. However, I can vouch that sustaining a successful online business is easier said than done.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      so John is there something you did find that is working for you on-line - you might be open to share back - any ideas or suggestions are always welcome - have a great day - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralph Leblanc
    Get affiliation with websites in your niche going. You do not really need starting funds, just give out the percentage to the partners.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      Ralph - thanks for answering - if I understand you correctly - you are speaking to find affiliates to sell your products -- that is assuming of course you have a popular product that such affilitiates would want to sell it or that good sales can be generated ... thank you - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Owsley
    Hi Joshua, as you've experienced so far, finding success in the online business space is definitely not a straight line, turn-key affair. It takes a lot of research, trial & error, and spending money on programs and systems that may or may not work. There's no way around that situation. The good thing is that you've joined the Warrior Forum which will help to cut down on the time and expense of finding out what will work and what won't.
    Welcome, and keep asking questions and learning.


    Enjoy your outcome!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
    thanks Sid for your positive response and realistic outlook - this is why I posed this question here to see what Warriors had to say and I definitely will keep asking questions, this is indeed the best way to learn - have a great day - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author SYKOTIK
    Yes there is, Build a lead capture page that offers people a solution to a problem (a product). market that lead capture page like crazy/consistently via social media using paid and free methods. gather peoples emails and have a follow up series. One series for people who bought the product and the other series of emails for people who didn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanDezoysa
    What you are asking for a quite a gift. I would start small, perhaps by selling a skill you already have, and slowly work your way up to automated IM systems.
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  • Profile picture of the author erikrefuerzo
    hey, of course there is. you can always try facebook pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author amuro
    Hi Joshua, there is.

    It is just a matter of whether you want to do the things that will make you successful or not.

    If you like to know more, you may PM me so that I can explain to you in details.

    Now here is the thing, guys.

    Whether you are running an online or offline businesses, at the end it all boils down to connecting and helping your prospects as your customers and friends.

    Does not matter what you sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Hunsons
    manual linkbuilding.
    it requires lots of time, but can bring success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michel Campolini
    Yes but with a lot of work ! The easy way cost money so others do the job for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author creditbuilder
    So I have about 18,000 members of different ethnicities, races and age groups and many I thought had no chance did well while others I was sure would hit a home run never made it.

    I blame the sales letters and moreover blame the publishers than the people who are trying to make a go of it. But I have seen people literally go from rags to riches while others have not made anything and that in part is with very complicated systems and funnels.

    Done for you helps, but here are 3 things I tell my members to ask these 3 questions when it comes to any offers:

    1. if it works so well why is the publisher releasing this amazing method?
    2. if they have made SOOOO much money as they claim to be making why are they asking you to pay for it?
    3. is the publisher willing to give you their personal cell phone, Skype and other methods for you to communicate with?

    Also, are they buying an offer on the basis of it being a shiny object or something they KNOW they can do? Even many of my affiliates reach a point where they are so frustrated they give up instead of trying to overcome the issues.

    Not sure if my answer helps, but having so many members myself, there are so many variables to consider and most have to do with the person looking at an online offer. But I know, have seen and continue to see people who make absolutely nothing despite how much I help them, those who make some and those who kill it and after 6 years of doing this I still don't have the formula to tell which person has the right dna.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      creditbuilder - good (well nice I should say) to hear from you -- you describe the challenges of what many people face in their own on-line business or to figure what to they should do that could work -- no doubt it is hard work and why only a few succeed is because many give up.

      two marketers recently told me about constantly posting in social media which I finally had an idea linked to our unique products and services and our new book which saw lots of interaction and some sales but not enough - so I am continuing to chat with marketers who are successful to see if there is some other key step - one marketer said use hash-tags in your post so that next on my list

      anyway wanted to thank you for giving us your insights and feedback ...
      a good weekend - Joshua
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  • Profile picture of the author David Burch
    Thank you for this thread Joshua Shapiro and being persistent, asking questions not only for yourself but for other people that are just getting started, people struggling on different aspects of getting started or people like me that have given up and are giving it a another go knowing the basics and most things to focus on now rather than jumping from one thing to the next. I like how 100jancic broke it down so simple and informative.

    I found alot of value in this thread from alot of great responses from great people!!

    Thanks again and wish you success with IM or whatever other route you decide to take
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Shapiro
      David - appreciate that you found some value here - I think the people who decided to respond have given a very good overview of what is possible - but the key seems to be, if the funds are limited be ready to work hard for quite some time and another marketer from WF who look at what we really do - which we have done for years also spoke about making lots of posts - so I did that, this week, sharing photos from a new book we released - we had quite a bit of interaction (of course I have almost 5000 friends), even a few sales ---

      I hope you also see success David - perservance and belief appear to be 2 keys -- plus having information, a product or service that people want

      Joshua
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    Joshua, you mentioned "is there a system or step by step process". In my personal opinion, you should try to move away from systems or processes that belong to other people. What might work for somebody else may not work for you because there are way too many variables in IM.

    I would strongly encourage you to allow time for learning and experimenting and developing your own system and process, of course you get ideas and inspiration from others.

    Limited funds, absolutely but it does require perseverance. Buy an expired domain for less than $10 and build a blog and monetize. Maybe crypto would be a good fit for you. Commit yourself to writing 2-3 articles a day every day for 2-3 months. Pick 2 - 3 traffic sources and work on them daily to drive traffic to your blog, such as Youtube, Quora or facebook.

    While doing that also educate yourself on SEO, you don't need fancy courses, plenty of info on the forum. After 2-3 months you should be able to flip your blog for a decent profit.

    After you flip your blog you then repeat the process but this time you work on 2 - 3 blogs at a time, but you use the money from the sale of your previous blog to hire a VA that will do all the articles and traffic generation tasks for you.

    While your VA is working on 2-3 blogs you can then start to build your authority site that you will work on for a minimum of one year.
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  • Profile picture of the author tayloright
    If you have limited funds but a decent amount of time, then yes there are options.

    I have a database of over 1,700 backlinks, it took me years to generate...

    These links are all backlinks that have been done for websites across the USA. The sites I analyze are always top #3 ranking sites in competitive industries.

    If you have a good website, then I suggest you go through a list like what I have in order to boost up your website rankings.

    There are also good lists of citation sites that can be used from various websites across the internet.
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      Posting your services with a link violates forum rules. Either purchase a signature for your link or buy a classified ad.

      I see you have a signature spot, but not linking to your web design services. Those are affiliate links. What's up with that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Shanks88
    You don't write anything about what you can offer, we make money because we offer something, what do you have to offer? what skills do you possess? if you answer this the rest is easy.
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  • Yes, I believe there is a lot you can do online with limited funds.
    Start with a good Affiliate site and work on Free Marketing Strategies.

    There is tons of info on Youtube on how to do this,
    Best of luck
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