NEWBIE INFORMATION OVERLOAD, NEED BS FILTER

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Hey all, I,m new to all this Making Money Online GIG,been looking into it for a few months now and I am quickly finding out that there is a ton of info out and even more misinformation.How do you navigate through the sea of crap, it seems everyone has a system and theres is the best,Someone has to be wrong.Will the Truth please stand up... Looking for best place to set up for affiliate marketing and HELP would be greatly appreciated. THANKS UJz
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    I say Johnny, follow people who focus on the process, NOT the outcomes. Bloggers and marketers who publish oodles of helpful free content, and who have been featured on top sites, these folks focus you on creating and connecting, building online income from a heart-centered energy. Start here at Warrior; I know of 1 particular individual in the game for 20 years who makes money online with integrity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Anthony Newman
      Who is this one individual? I'd be interested in following in their footsteps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    How do you navigate through the sea of crap,

    By looking for information instead of sales pages for 'how to' products - by taking the time to asses your own skills and interests to choose a topic/niche/subject/etc you would be goot at or comfortable working in.


    What do you do if you want to find a JOB? Do you randomly go from one place to another or do you target a certain type business - look for work in an area you have knowledge/experience in?



    What does 'place to set up' mean There are countless threads on affiliate marketing here - use the search function to find them...and start learning. There are excellent threads here on all facets of affiliate marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author gmbrockstars
    follow the biggest guys in here in that niche what i will do, thats the best way to learn
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    • Profile picture of the author acopson
      Originally Posted by gmbrockstars View Post

      follow the biggest guys in here in that niche what i will do, thats the best way to learn
      Just a caveat, be careful of the big guys too, they don't always have your best interests at heart either, some of them less so.
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  • Profile picture of the author edjr
    Follow the most successful leaders in a niche you want to pursue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Back in the day, a monicker like JOHNNY WINGER prolly getchya srsly arrested on an IYF priapic ticket.

    *can I lose the BS filtah now, cos it splittin' my fanj kinda in half when I bend ovah?*

    Thing is, wingin' don't nevah mean singin', less'n you be flyin' out to horizons got branches already loaded up with SIT ON MOI spots reserved for select avians got sweet, sweet warblin' FIGURED.

    Best deal always when JOHNNYIN' YOUR INVESTIGATIVE LOAD out into the ether is mebbe to hang around awhile.

    Check in on the pulse ...

    Meander here awhile ...

    Take heart from how slow an' steady mummification ain't nevah no kinda CURSE.

    Once you WRAPPED THEED thusly in WF bandagestuffs, likely you be granted evahlastin' life on a WINGER ZINGER ticket -- less'n you hang out it Mind Warriors where they all frickin' CRAZY.

    Jus' don't expect immortality offa the bat, K?

    That deal is for vampires.
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  • Profile picture of the author oppyeaunome
    Originally Posted by Johnny Winger View Post

    Hey all, I,m new to all this Making Money Online GIG,been looking into it for a few months now and I am quickly finding out that there is a ton of info out and even more misinformation.How do you navigate through the sea of crap, it seems everyone has a system and theres is the best,Someone has to be wrong.Will the Truth please stand up... Looking for best place to set up for affiliate marketing and HELP would be greatly appreciated. THANKS UJz
    Reverse Engineer

    Look at what the marketers who are making money online are doing and do that. Take a look at how they are building their lists. How they are getting traffic to their websites. What are they doing that makes you buy?

    Just like you in the beginning I was stuck buying product after product and not making anything work. After a chance encounter with a stranger I managed to focus my mind and started focusing on what I should be doing. It's only then I started to make money.

    Don't do what they say, do what they do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vladymir Britos
    Maybe it would help about how to find your niche.

    Many believe the larger the niche, the bigger the audience - and therefore, the more money you will make. These people are solely focused on traffic. They falsely believe that if there's more traffic to be had in a particular niche, they will inevitably make more money. The problem here is that with enough marketing experience, you will realize that the niche with the most traffic is very rarely a niche at all. More often than not, they are Industries. For example, "weight loss" is not a niche, it's a market - an industry, there's a big difference here.

    Marketers that build a list in the weight loss Industry have a choice to promote a wide variety of products to their list, but the audience is vast in comparison to the many niches within the weight loss market itself.

    A woman in her 60's is not looking for the same promotions as a young woman in her 20's in terms of body style, fitness levels and diet. There's no way you can target both demographics within the same email campaign. This is why I recommend that you narrow your audience down to specifics.

    For example, targeting young males looking to get six pack abs is very specific and your campaigns can be laser targeted with a much higher response rate. Every promotional email you send out to this demographic will be 100% targeted, thus, you will not be alienating a portion of your list with every email promotion you send. It just makes sense, right?

    So, with that in mind. Which would be better, the broad Industry or the targeted niche? Both can work well with enough experience over time, but I would argue that the tighter your focus on a specific audience, the much more responsive your list on a whole, will be.

    Here's a couple of examples of Industries vs Niches...

    Industry - Weight loss
    Niche - Six pack abs

    Industry - Relationships
    Niche - Over 50's Dating

    Either approach would yield results and earn you money, but you can surely see which one is easier to target. Yes?

    Let's say you decide to enter into the relationship Industry. What exactly will you be promoting to your list of subscribers? Dating advice? How to attract a partner? What to do on a first date? It's clear that with every email promotion you send out, you will be rendering a large portion of your list to be untargeted to that promotion.

    You do not actually know what a lot of these people are looking for from you. But, if you enter into the "over 50's dating" niche instead. Well, now you know EXACTLY what kind of promotions your list is looking for and you can have a laser targeted response from your campaign.

    The more relevant you can be, the higher conversions you can expect. When in doubt, always aim for super targeted niches ahead of broad Industries.any believe the larger the niche, the bigger the audience - and therefore, the more money you will make. These people are solely focused on traffic. They falsely believe that if there's more traffic to be had in a particular niche, they will inevitably make more money. The problem here is that with enough marketing experience, you will realize that the niche with the most traffic is very rarely a niche at all. More often than not, they are Industries. For example, "weight loss" is not a niche, it's a market - an industry, there's a big difference here.

    Marketers that build a list in the weight loss Industry have a choice to promote a wide variety of products to their list, but the audience is vast in comparison to the many niches within the weight loss market itself.

    A woman in her 60's is not looking for the same promotions as a young woman in her 20's in terms of body style, fitness levels and diet. There's no way you can target both demographics within the same email campaign. This is why I recommend that you narrow your audience down to specifics.

    For example, targeting young males looking to get six pack abs is very specific and your campaigns can be laser targeted with a much higher response rate. Every promotional email you send out to this demographic will be 100% targeted, thus, you will not be alienating a portion of your list with every email promotion you send. It just makes sense, right?

    So, with that in mind. Which would be better, the broad Industry or the targeted niche? Both can work well with enough experience over time, but I would argue that the tighter your focus on a specific audience, the much more responsive your list on a whole, will be.

    Here's a couple of examples of Industries vs Niches...

    Industry - Weight loss
    Niche - Six pack abs

    Industry - Relationships
    Niche - Over 50's Dating

    Either approach would yield results and earn you money, but you can surely see which one is easier to target. Yes?

    Let's say you decide to enter into the relationship Industry. What exactly will you be promoting to your list of subscribers? Dating advice? How to attract a partner? What to do on a first date? It's clear that with every email promotion you send out, you will be rendering a large portion of your list to be untargeted to that promotion.

    You do not actually know what a lot of these people are looking for from you. But, if you enter into the "over 50's dating" niche instead. Well, now you know EXACTLY what kind of promotions your list is looking for and you can have a laser targeted response from your campaign.

    The more relevant you can be, the higher conversions you can expect. When in doubt, always aim for super targeted niches ahead of broad Industries.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by Johnny Winger View Post

    Hey all, I,m new to all this Making Money Online GIG,been looking into it for a few months now and I am quickly finding out that there is a ton of info out and even more misinformation.How do you navigate through the sea of crap, it seems everyone has a system and theres is the best,Someone has to be wrong.Will the Truth please stand up... Looking for best place to set up for affiliate marketing and HELP would be greatly appreciated. THANKS UJz
    I think number one is to focus on one area, it's easy to get lost in shiny object syndrome and get overloaded. Focus on one area and focus your learning and efforts in that area. From there you should be able to weed out the BS and find the good info.
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  • Profile picture of the author SecondGuess Help
    Hi there!
    I did go through a pile of crap, Sorry marketers. In that point, I thought I can learn something from that, bs.

    These days you are lucky. Technology has improved a lot and you have tools available that were not here before.

    For example, you can use free MailChimp account and landing pages to send people to your site with high-quality content/or reviews that also are high quality. Don't use for affiliate links(as mentioned, MailChimp doesn't allow that).

    Hard is to write those emails that are both valuable, wanted and also sell things. 80/20 rule, be useful most of the time.

    Listen everything is related. You need to have a specific mindset and skillset when you have enough of information you can also become very productive, but one thing at the time and execute as much as you can(say no to things).

    Affiliate marketing can be used in many different ways but the formula is something like this (always), no matter what you do, sure you can pay for ads and in some cases, you have to.



    People also do build PBNs and that was one reason I gave up at some point, it is a dishonest method.

    Hard work if you are honest and care about people, easy if you care only about a quick buck.

    Best tools cost money, landing pages, clicfunnels, but convert well. You must read book dotsecrets, I haven't read it, but found summary online, yeah there are specific things you may not know if you don't have marketer mind.

    Btw most of Clickbank, JVZoo products are crap.

    Advanced:
    You need to be looking for high-end products if Amazon then something around 100$. Read tos they are updating it time to time, you have to read how you can promote their products..these may not be aloud rss feed, email, and social media platforms.

    In other cases than Amazon it is a good idea to use webinars. Webinars often are created by confident people with deep pockets and value, in the end of webinar selling high ticket products such as seminars or software, memberships etc.

    If you don't yet have deep pockets, value or confidence get skills, mindset and money and keep rolling on, eventually, you will make it.
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  • The thing with making money online is there are many different paths to take and each path also branches off.

    So when you go searching the internet for "How To . . .", you will get a lot of great information, but no step by step process.

    My suggestion is to research why way you want to make money online (i.e. affiliate marketing, blogging, vlogging, self publishing, freelancing, etc.).

    Once you determine that, only focus on that. Start researching credible courses to take that will give you the step by step process and make things much more understandable.

    Generally, courses are relatively fundamental but are very helpful and necessary when starting out.
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  • Profile picture of the author SecondGuess Help
    I agree with Discover Ecommerce. To learn you can also take example from Industry leaders or, copy their systems, sign up or buy something from them(to see e-mail funnel), see what social media they use, what kind of landing page they have, how much information there is on their blog etc.

    Here is the best resource you can get for free. Authorityhacker.com join their free webinar, watch it million times and make notes. Always take notes(webinar will be gone in a few days after attending).
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  • Profile picture of the author IGotMine
    This is the kind of BS Johnny Winger is talking about.

    you can build your whole affiliate business just by having free MailChimp account
    MailChimp does not allow affiliate links.
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  • Profile picture of the author SecondGuess Help
    I didn't know that. Thank you for correction.

    I use it for building a list, giving away and selling my own products from my sites. Placing pure affiliate links is a bit scammy. I would not ever click one of those.

    Instead of good content with selling purpose that has affiliate links in would work better.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavdBob
    Hi Johnny,

    I must apologize for all the nonsense in this thread so far. I don't think anyone actually provided anything addressing your actual question.

    Discover Ecommerce gave a good start and what I am about to say will add more.


    YOU have to become the BS filter.


    I mean, many wonderful and helpful people will give you more information that just adds to the overwhelming amount you already have. Unfoutunatly most of that advice requires some experience and knowledge to decipher if its even good info. How are you to know that?

    In this industry, there are so many ways that do work its hard to pick one. And for each that works, there are a hundred people out there totally willing to scam you. In many eyes, you are a money tree and they want to harvest you, not caring at all if they over "harvest" you causing you die. You will see lots of comments in this and all forums that are garbage. Those come from people just putting something in a thread so their signature gets in front of more eyes. Yes, that is even a method of marketing in IM.

    (Many people here will recommend you stay as far away as possible from any and all WSO offers.)

    I suggest you try pick just method of IM, and make a hard rule that anything you see that is outside that one method, YOU have to just totally ignore.

    Yes, by doing that, you will miss some great opportunities. You will also miss a whole lot of ways to get distracted and derailed from any chance of success due to lack of focus. Once you figure out what method you want to try, search for other people doing that same thing and try learn what they do.

    In most cases, what ever method you chose will have so much miss-information that it is so complex you will have to spend tremendous amounts of time and energy learning before you become successful. Or you can try find a legitimate mentor/coach. I do not do coaching, but because I invested in coaching 18 months ago, I finally started seeing consistent results. And I started out some 9 years ago.

    Once the results start, then you can really start to learn.

    By The Way,
    Inaction is the greatest killer of your chances of success. 99% of new IM people quit because they get so much information they become overwhelmed and paralyzed with all that info and can't make up their mind what to do or how to do it.

    Do something. Just make sure to stay focused on just that one thing till you start getting results.

    Hope that helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by DavdBob View Post

      Hi Johnny,

      I must apologize for all the nonsense in this thread so far. I don't think anyone actually provided anything addressing your actual question.

      (Many people here will recommend you stay as far away as possible from any and all WSO offers.)
      .

      Anyone could be forgiven for seeing those as very bold claims in fairness.

      On the contrary, there has been some good, on-point advice given so far, so it's perhaps unfair to put yourself on a pedestal, advising people to disregard the other relative contributions.

      People who have had a lot of bad experiences tend to be apparent and it's genuinely clear that you are one of these people who have witnessed little success with products and people in this 'industry'.

      That however does not render a 'wso' as something to steer clear of, nor is the hypothesis correct. WSO's are simply offers on products which cover the entire range and all are of differing quality according to who considers and uses them. Members have utlized products in the WSO with effect for umpteen years.

      In another thread you are enquiring about seeking a coach who will help to assist you in building a list through a squeeze page and so too, is that quest likely to result in some dissapointments too. This fact however doesn't render all coaches the same.

      As much as frustration is understandable, it doesn't always render truths and I can't help but feel it's a bit early in your quest to getting the knives out....not to mention the tar and brush. .
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  • Profile picture of the author lordaeon
    Well, it might help if you have a project. I mean, yes there are a lot of things to learn but if you have something to work on, you will naturally filter unnecessary information and progressing faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author techwizard
    So a lot of people here define the best approach by following ""bigger"" names. Great!
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  • Profile picture of the author chiragkd
    True!

    Information Overload is a big problem now days.

    By Focusing & Following on one Guru you can avoid this problem.

    Don't try to collect all things from every where on the internet.

    Just Follow one Guru and Take their mentor-ship if you can afford and most importantly trust him!

    Just focus on one process and wait for the results. Don't give up too early and don't try another process until you succeed little bit.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author superowid
    IM world is just like a real world. There's no one right thing for your answer. Everyone here is a BS for everyone else when what they offer doesn't fulfill the expectation. You can even say that McD's burger is a BS when you love a street burger in a corner near your office ('cause you buy it everyday for cheap) - for example. So do your own work to find one! Not all the bigger is the best, even they can be the biggest BS you may ever found.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oneil Jones
    We beginners all going through the same things. running into shiny objects and all that and systems that is hard to figure out and makes no sense sometimes. took me a year to really get thru the fluffs and mis-info to settle on one thing that really work.

    so i do agree with ryan. study a lot of free content, read a lot of blogs and posts and so on
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Overhelm its a big problem in the internet marketing field .You must dontbforget that at the endnof the day the most important thing its the work you do .work 80 percent and learn 20 percent
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  • Profile picture of the author Pablo Visconti
    i think going through all that BS is extremely necessary in the beginning.

    You´d have to struggle in the beginning to be able to learn to distinguish what is wasting your time vs what isn´t.

    After you get a bit clearer vision, you have to stick to one thing, and one thing only. It´s hard to do, but it´s what´s going to get you through.

    And then, you have to actually go out and DO. As described by the third of Newton's laws of motion all ACTION exerts an equal and opposite reaction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    To skip through alot of the BS you could hire a marketing consultant. They've been down the path you're about to go through, and their expertise could save you a TON of money in learning curves.

    Or if that's not an option, navigate through the online world yourself and learn on your own.
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