What does writing for pay entail?

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I'm beginning my presence as a freelance writer in the market on the web. The entire market is an oyster but, maybe, except areas I'd need to use more time in research.

I'd like to ask what different work acquired entails in time input and detail when you want to make money at it beginning as a side Hustle... I'd love to eventually be in a position to manage accounts for companies, meaning longer-term accounts.

I'm a hard worker and a very obsessive writer. I don't know the difference between what entails work in social media management, blogging, copywriting etc etc... I feel versatile in that I could produce copy for different media advertising and more.

When I first communicate with clients do they tell me exactly what they want me to do?

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    We have a Copywriting subforum. Best to ask your question there.

    Having been a copywriter for over 20 years, I recommend you pick a target market. Who will you write for? Niche down and you'll be more valuable to those customers, and be able to charge more. "Being versatile" is NOT rewarded. Specialist surgeons make more than general practitioners.

    Look for a niche that is not already glutted by freelance writers. The moment you appear where the crowd of writers already is, you have devalued yourself. Social media management may be "hot," but in the FB groups I'm in where freelancers talk, it's not good-paying work. Of course, if $400 a month in return for selling your soul is an OK deal for you, by all means go ahead.

    Every business needs three systems and yours is no different.
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  • Profile picture of the author SARubin
    It sounds like you're asking for definite answers, to some abstract questions.


    Originally Posted by LiteraryMarketer View Post

    I'd like to ask what different work acquired entails in time input and detail
    It depends on what your client wants, and what your experience (or learning curve) is for the assignment.

    You could probably write a blog post about pizza delivery in 15 minutes because you already know the topic (seeing as how you're a pizza delivery guy). But if you need to write about being a freelance writer... well, obviously that's not your main expertise at the moment. So it will take a bit longer for your research, before writing about it.

    Originally Posted by LiteraryMarketer View Post

    I don't know the difference between what entails work in social media management, blogging, copywriting etc etc... I feel versatile in that I could produce copy for different media advertising and more.
    Unfortunately, your feelings about your abilities to write anything and everything don't really matter beyond the point of your own self motivation. (your blind confidence isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it will only get you so far before you'll need to actually produce results for your clients)

    As far as your competition goes... Well, just go search for "writers" on fivver, or freelancer, or upwork, or any of the other freelance farms...

    And after you get discouraged from looking at the sheer number of people offering general writing services, then you may want to consider picking one particular style to start with (either article writing... or blog post writing... or ?...) and becoming proficient in that market first.

    Because writing a twitter post is not the same thing as writing a blog post, which is not the same thing as writing a sales piece, which is not the same thing as writing a book, which is not the same thing as...

    Originally Posted by LiteraryMarketer View Post

    When I first communicate with clients do they tell me exactly what they want me to do?
    Some do... Some don't.

    It depends partly on the client you're working with, and it depends mostly on the questions you know how to ask the client.

    Many clients don't know exactly what they want. They only have a vague idea, and it'll be up to you to help them target a more definite direction and a goal for the writing.

    That's where you asking good questions comes into play. Better questions often lead to better answers.


    Sort of like the questions you're asking here. They're a bit vague and fuzzy, so you're more likely to get vague and fuzzy answers.


    Overall, if I had to offer you one piece of advice right now, to get you started, it would be to pick one market (or niche) and study what other writers are doing in that market. Study the writing styles of the better writers and figure out where you fit into that particular market.

    Then just start writing, everyday. Write as if you're writing for a client, and as if you're getting paid for the assignment.

    At the very least this will gain you some experience, and help you build a portfolio of writing samples that you can show to potential clients.
    Because I don't want to sound too harsh here, but right now it looks like you have nothing to offer that anyone would be willing to pay for. (except for maybe a large double cheese and pepperoni pizza?)
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    • Profile picture of the author LiteraryMarketer
      You're answers help a lot.

      They've given me some clearer direction.
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    • Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

      Many clients don't know exactly what they want. They only have a vague idea, and it'll be up to you to help them target a more definite direction and a goal for the writing.

      This is a cool point needs flaggin' up.


      Plenty people with stuff to sell expect miracles.


      "I want something truly inspirational, like Steve Jobs. Real persuasive stuff like Dan Kennedy. Something to move people, totally change history. I want people's hearts to skip a beat and their souls to be mesmerised. Like when Michael Jackson had his audience in the palm of his hand. Transformational and lifechanging. Gary Halbert on steroids. So everyone remembers where they were when they first saw the ad ... first experienced the paradigm shift into a Cosmos of renewed brilliance."


      "So ... uhm ... what you sellin', Sweetie?"


      "Diapers."


      So ... don't assoom nowan got a clue.


      Like Houdini said, "you can't pull a rabbit out of a hat unless the pet shop guy sells you a decent rabbit."
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      • Profile picture of the author SARubin
        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        Plenty people with stuff to sell expect miracles.


        "I want something truly inspirational, like Steve Jobs. Real persuasive stuff like Dan Kennedy. Something to move people, totally change history. I want people's hearts to skip a beat and their souls to be mesmerised. Like when Michael Jackson had his audience in the palm of his hand. Transformational and lifechanging. Gary Halbert on steroids. So everyone remembers where they were when they first saw the ad ... first experienced the paradigm shift into a Cosmos of renewed brilliance."

        Amen, Sister

        But try not to blame it all on the wannapreneurs who are asking for the pie in the sky.
        Blame it partly on the hyped up cheezy copy they're exposed to on a regular basis.

        When they see sales pitches that say "My Copy Can Get You 347% More Conversions, Practically Overnight. And It Will Turn Casual Visitors Into Drooling Fans That Will Be Begging You To Take Their Money!"

        Many unsuspecting people assume this is the standard uptick for what a $100 sales page can produce.

        So eventually they lay down their money.

        And then, when reality slaps them in the face, suddenly they think all copywriters are liars

        So yes, I blame people for their own stupidity and naivete. But let's also blame the scammers who make the rest of us look bad when they decide to become copywriters.
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        • Profile picture of the author LiteraryMarketer
          Very good input, ya'll.

          SARubin's original reply put great perspective on beginning here.

          My direction from here is to build my website... And hone in on the perfect niche for me in the market.

          I will ask more. My next question is about copyright laws making up portfolio ad pages etc.
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    I hear ya'll.
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