Sorry forgot to mention, have been using Aweber since late September.

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Hello wizard

I'm not claiming to know a lot about email marketing so I'll just give a short answer based on some of our experience, while I wait for Kay to tell us more about "autoresponder quality" and "the structure of the emails you send".

But we have done some email marketing over the years, both for our Agency and perhaps a few thousand clients. And we have used most of the main autoresponders, including AWeber, GetResponse, Infusionsoft as well as many others self hosted on our servers. Like you we would consider AWeber to be fairly outdated and rubbish now, some low cost cloud hosted AR's like MailSniper, using Amazon SES or Sendgrid SMTP services we think are much better.

One thing I will comment on: We are subscribed to a very large number of marketing lists, many from the top names in IM. Most of their emails will go to the Promotions or Updates tabs in Gmail. Many to the Spam folder and very very few to the Primary tab.

A primary consideration is trust. If your subscribers have whitelisted your email address then they will mainly go to your Primary inbox. We can include links, images, even video previews and they still go to main inbox.

Cheers
Lindy

If you're hitting the promotions tab, there is something in the message body that Gmail doesn't like. You just have to test and find what it is and change it.

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Aweber by hands down. Like other members say check your swipe. Keeping it general is key. Also I hope your not using direct links.

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Hey wizard2132,
I do understand the pain all small and medium businesses feel when their emails/messages land in spam because of the google algorithm.
We have been using our own server with a dedicated IP that helps us land our emails in spam. The rate of ending up in spam is quite minimal.

Let me know if you need assistance with it.

AWeber works well for me. If you're having issues then perhaps it's what is in your emails.


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Trust me, there is something in the message body triggering it.

Sometimes you have to test line by line to find the trigger.

You need to start with a generic message that inboxes, no images/links and slowly build your message back until you find the trigger and then change it.

If you are testing using your own seed accounts. Make sure to test with some that you only use for testing and you never open the messages.

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As has been mentioned in previous threads, the issue is not with Aweber (or any other top tier auto-responder service). It is what you're including in your email copy. All email providers like Gmail have spam filters that are triggered by certain words like - earn, buy, opportunity, etc. I recommend you download a copy of HubSpots The Ultimate List of Email SPAM Trigger Words, it's free.

It's nothing about Aweber, It's Gmail. When Gmail detects the promotional intensity of an email, It put that in Promotional Tab.

Optimize your email content, it will be landed in Primary Inbox.

Aweber works well for me. You should choose one Autoresponder that works well for you and stick to it.

What will make the most difference is how clean your LIST is, rather than who sends it.

The concept is deliverability . . . if many of your emails land in spam folders or get deleted, that lowers your domain email score (deliverability) with the email providers, and makes it more likely that future emails from your domain will go into spam or be deleted. So it would be a downward spiral.

On the other hand, if most of your emails get opened, the email providers improve your deliverability score, and your future emails are more likely to go into the inbox. And you get increasing success with deliverability.

So, what you need to do is to move any emails who have not opened anything you've sent for the last 2 or 3 months, onto a list where you only ask them, maybe once every 6 months, if they still want to receive emails from you.

If you're on a lot of lists, you'll see some of the most experienced email experts do this. And they get results accordingly

Chris

I've been using AIOP seems to go to inbox 99% of the time.
write emails that keep your spam score low is key I believe

I've been thinking of switching to Auto Response Plus off of Aweber. I started at $19, then up to $29 a month now at $67 a month just because I started other lists for different things. I used Trafficwave for years but they don't integrate worth a damn into anything else.

I would definitely not choose Getresponse.

They are the worst when it comes to rules and strictness.

Jet

Aweber is good what you're saying in your email is probably what's bad.

If there's promo content in the email it's more likely to end up there. Also if your list regularly opens your emails, then there's a higher chance you'll end up in their inbox.

This is why list relationship is so important. You want to make your list reaches the point where your subject line doesn't even matter anymore. If they see an email from you they open it.

If your email goes to the promo tab they go there looking for it.

A good email marketer to follow is Ian Stanley. The guy's emails are fire! Ben Settle is good too. Sign up to their list and study their emails and then simply do what they do, but with your personality.