How much effort is being put into stifling noobs?

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So like the title says... are people out there trying to stifle competition at the grassroots with misinformation? Am I being paranoid? I am a bit of a contrarian I guess so often times I get this thought in the back of my head.... "what if I did the opposite of what this Youtube guru just told me?". Do you think Youtube marketing gurus actually just want your money or to help people? or do they just want you to go down the wrong path so they never have to compete with you? Would the juice be worth the squeeze?

I accept that I could be a paranoid nut with trust issues, and I know this is a rather crazy question, maybe there is some simple logic to dispel the trust issues I have. I can't be the only one who doesn't trusts people giving potential competitors advice for free in mass.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    Originally Posted by Shancock View Post

    So like the title says... are people out there trying to stifle competition at the grassroots with misinformation? Am I being paranoid? I am a bit of a contrarian I guess so often times I get this thought in the back of my head.... "what if I did the opposite of what this Youtube guru just told me?". Do you think Youtube marketing gurus actually just want your money or to help people? or do they just want you to go down the wrong path so they never have to compete with you? Would the juice be worth the squeeze?

    I accept that I could be a paranoid nut with trust issues, and I know this is a rather crazy question, maybe there is some simple logic to dispel the trust issues I have. I can't be the only one who doesn't trusts people giving potential competitors advice for free in mass.

    I doubt that anyone is trying to stifle noobs since
    most of them aren't going to do anything anyway.

    It is your responsibility to educate yourself so that
    you know the difference between a con job and
    legitimate information.

    And if you are not able to do that, I suggest that
    you stay off YouTube for marketing tutorials.

    IMO you don't really have any trust issues, you
    are just looking for excuses not to get started.

    I could write a list of excuses for inaction as long
    as your arm, but I won't.

    Making excuses is human nature, so you're fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shancock
      Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

      I doubt that anyone is trying to stifle noobs since
      most of them aren't going to do anything anyway.

      It is your responsibility to educate yourself so that
      you know the difference between a con job and
      legitimate information.

      And if you are not able to do that, I suggest that
      you stay off YouTube for marketing tutorials.

      IMO you don't really have any trust issues, you
      are just looking for excuses not to get started.

      I could write a list of excuses for inaction as long
      as your arm, but I won't.

      Making excuses is human nature, so you're fine.
      I'm just ponder going against some of the stuff I hear suggested. For example, I always hear pick a niche your passionate about, meanwhile tons of markets are making good money promoting weight loss supplements? Their can't be that many digital marketers passionate about weight loss supplements. I feel like I'm being told one thing while many of the successful people are seemingly doing the opposite.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        They tell you to pick a niche you're passionate about because the odds of you having something to say, sounding like you know what you're talking about are great from the beginning.


        It is easier to convince someone like you to buy something you yourself have bought and are using.


        However, you can make money with any niche. You just have to make sure you acquire all the knowledge you need.


        Then, if you're passionate about it, you're more likely to stick to it through the rough start.


        Of course, you can be passionate enough about making money that you stick to any niche no matter how hard the beginning.


        Why not start with a self-assessment. Pick the niche based on what you think you already have to offer/ know how to do and what you're willing and able to learn/ acquire.






        Originally Posted by Shancock View Post

        I'm just ponder going against some of the stuff I hear suggested. For example, I always hear pick a niche your passionate about, meanwhile tons of markets are making good money promoting weight loss supplements? Their can't be that many digital marketers passionate about weight loss supplements. I feel like I'm being told one thing while many of the successful people are seemingly doing the opposite.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          They tell you to pick a niche you're passionate about because the odds of you having something to say, sounding like you know what you're talking about are great from the beginning.


          It is easier to convince someone like you to buy something you yourself have bought and are using.


          However, you can make money with any niche. You just have to make sure you acquire all the knowledge you need.


          Then, if you're passionate about it, you're more likely to stick to it through the rough start.


          Of course, you can be passionate enough about making money that you stick to any niche no matter how hard the beginning.


          Why not start with a self-assessment. Pick the niche based on what you think you already have to offer/ know how to do and what you're willing and able to learn/ acquire.
          Exactly correct.
          Most newbies do nuthin'.

          They sit around absorbing content all day, believing that is work.
          Some graduate to talking to salespeople about paid programs all day--never buying one--looking for the magic bullet...thinking that's work. Then they come upstairs and tell their significant other what a great day they had.

          Picking something you're excited about helps a lot with the energy. You're going to need that energy to stick with it.

          I have contributed in this forum for a dozen years. I'm not the only one. I have watched some individuals remain broke the entire time. Very few DO anything.

          No one is trying to mislead you. And if they were, all you'd have to do is watch a bunch of videos about the topic, and see what they align on. As long as you can figure out that they arrived at their conclusions independently, with experience, and aren't just parroting another...then you can believe what they're saying.

          Another choice: DO the opposite. See what happens. You might stumble on to something. There is plenty of room for success and no One Right Way.
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      • Profile picture of the author Monetize
        Originally Posted by Shancock View Post

        I'm just ponder going against some of the stuff I hear suggested. For example, I always hear pick a niche your passionate about, meanwhile tons of markets are making good money promoting weight loss supplements? Their can't be that many digital marketers passionate about weight loss supplements. I feel like I'm being told one thing while many of the successful people are seemingly doing the opposite.

        There is a lot of misinformation available online, and
        that is why it is important to try things, learn by doing,
        and ascertain what works and what does not.

        Choosing niches and strategies is not as serious as
        people make it seem, since you can always change
        and do something different.

        Internet marketing lets you find your own groove
        and do whatever you want.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
        Originally Posted by Shancock View Post

        I'm just ponder going against some of the stuff I hear suggested. For example, I always hear pick a niche your passionate about, meanwhile tons of markets are making good money promoting weight loss supplements? Their can't be that many digital marketers passionate about weight loss supplements.
        I think you may be surprised. I think there are many hundreds of thousands or perhaps many millions of people interested in weight loss including surgery, supplements, specific diets, specific foods, gimmicks, exercise routines, clothes that make you look skinnier, etc. That includes marketers and people who may want to make a little $ on the side.

        Speaking from experience, here. I've had a thing for all things low carb and before that weight loss in general and before that exercise physiology. All aspects of all of it. I've never gotten serious about selling anything related but that was due to the above mentioned excuses and besides I didn't need to. It was just an interest. But a deep interest that sticks to this day, many many years later. If I decided to, I would kick butt because I (think I) know a ton and it would be easier for me to monetize with my deep interest in place.

        Public speaking, infertility issues, diseases that mostly affect older folks, dogs, Chinese, politics, football, religion, and more are additional interests of mine (at some level of deep), that could also be niche products.

        I'm trying to live by the mantra, "Do more doing and less thinking." Thinking is good and is important. But it also is the #1 killer of dreams. You, for example, got to thinking about the niche thing. You wasted time ranting about it here. Since you've done that, it's probably been eating at you for a while. Meanwhile, someone else just went and did whatever was being taught and their book or membership site or website is already ready with the potential of making money. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we're discussing whether it works or not. I'm not accusing you or saying anything bad. I'm talking to myself because I've done this many times. That's why I have this mantra.

        Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    DABK has it right - at least in terms of your one example of what you perceive may b e misinformation.

    Choosing a niche you are passionate about is convenient and is absolutely wonderful if what you are passionate about is something that gets a lot of traffic, has great profit potential and has low competition. Unfortunately, those three things have never been a perfect match in my decades of experience.

    I stopped worrying about selling things I was passionate about in my first year of eCommerce sales and found out something you seldom read about from the "gurus" - find a niche with decent traffic, fairly low competition and good profits, regardless of whether or not you know a thing about it. Learn the basics from the sites already ranking for that niche and launch your site. I assure you, when you start getting sales, you'll become FAR MORE passionate about the niche and you'll do everything you can to learn as much about it as you can in order to make your site even better. I've built more than 150 profitable websites using that as the basis for choosing a niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      I have come to think that there are two types of people who sell info on how to pick a niche:
      1. those who think telling people they may have to work hard will tank their sales, so they go with easy stuff, "pick something you're passionate about."
      2. and those who tell you to find a niche with good traffic and do hard work.

      Some of the 1st group will cover all the hard work, they just don't make it first thing, and do a good job of it. Some of the 2nd group will talk about what a bonus it is if you find a niche with good traffic, etc. that you're passionate about.


      And that goes to people wanting to learn about marketing, and they do amazing things to it: from
      they do nothing with it
      they cherry-pick things that feel right to them
      they completely misunderstand.

      And the last group is just as vocal about what they learned as any of the others, maybe more so.



      I have found that if you are passionate about making money and have decided to do it with IM, you'll end up doing fine no matter how you end up picking your niche. Eventually. The key word there is "decided." Many want but never decide. I mean, they say they have decided, but they have not, not deep enough where it moves them to do anything in their power to move forward.

      Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

      DABK has it right - at least in terms of your one example of what you perceive may b e misinformation.

      Choosing a niche you are passionate about is convenient and is absolutely wonderful if what you are passionate about is something that gets a lot of traffic, has great profit potential and has low competition. Unfortunately, those three things have never been a perfect match in my decades of experience.

      I stopped worrying about selling things I was passionate about in my first year of eCommerce sales and found out something you seldom read about from the "gurus" - find a niche with decent traffic, fairly low competition and good profits, regardless of whether or not you know a thing about it. Learn the basics from the sites already ranking for that niche and launch your site. I assure you, when you start getting sales, you'll become FAR MORE passionate about the niche and you'll do everything you can to learn as much about it as you can in order to make your site even better. I've built more than 150 profitable websites using that as the basis for choosing a niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    You made some valid points .

    I will say that there are a few influencers online who are genuine and want to see you win .

    Yes,trust plays a major role in being successful online especially seeing the way things are with people and money .

    Not everyone has your best interest but don't think that everyone is,out to get you .

    People will follow you for years or months and won't say a word or buy anything from you until they have.enoigh confidence to trust you .

    Do your research on people and you'll be alright
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    And that goes to people wanting to learn about marketing, and they do amazing things to it: from
    they do nothing with it
    they cherry-pick things that feel right to them
    they completely misunderstand.

    In other words, so many noobs stifle themselves...they don't need our effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Correct. And, because that perfectly good answer is too short, Correct, again.

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      In other words, so many noobs stifle themselves...they don't need our effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author majikk
    definitely don't rely on YouTube for marketing advice. Well, don't rely ONLY on yt. You should always do your own research and on the trust factor, I'm with you. You can never trust "free" tips or similar unless they are from a legitimate source. Which again, there have been scandals involving "legitimate sources" numerous times. So these days it's become increasingly difficult to build trust.
    But sometimes having initiative is more than enough to get started with something. If you have a specific liking and attachment to something and believe you could do good, go for it. You will be better and have more motivation to work on that niche.

    I would suggest stop overthinking, sometimes making mistakes can make you more aware of what you want to follow. Pay attention to actually being active on the work you are putting and not being idle. Most people these days just idle because of lack of motivation, and their excuse is that it's difficult. Ofc it is, not everyone can take the extra step. Step out of the majority and be an achiever, a doer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Monetize
      Originally Posted by majikk View Post

      definitely don't rely on YouTube for marketing advice. Well, don't rely ONLY on yt. You should always do your own research and on the trust factor, I'm with you. You can never trust "free" tips or similar unless they are from a legitimate source. Which again, there have been scandals involving "legitimate sources" numerous times. So these days it's become increasingly difficult to build trust.
      But sometimes having initiative is more than enough to get started with something. If you have a specific liking and attachment to something and believe you could do good, go for it. You will be better and have more motivation to work on that niche.

      I would suggest stop overthinking, sometimes making mistakes can make you more aware of what you want to follow. Pay attention to actually being active on the work you are putting and not being idle. Most people these days just idle because of lack of motivation, and their excuse is that it's difficult. Ofc it is, not everyone can take the extra step. Step out of the majority and be an achiever, a doer.

      YouTube is invaluable as a learning resource, you just have
      to know what to look for and how to weed out the garbage.

      If you can find the original source, it is the way to go, because
      much of the content is copycatted from other people. As an
      example, someone makes a video about being a notary, and
      after 6 months there's 200 videos about the same methods.

      Decide on the topic that interests you, don't get distracted by
      the other videos and ads, try to learn the fundamentals, and
      YouTube is great for learning new business strategies.
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    I think they just want money.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGrowthZone
    They try to give some valuable info about the topic they cover and have some knowledge about that, but in my opinion they don't cover the juicy stuff of how does the thing work so you have to gather different info and make a picture of the situation by yourself and you can try out different strategies and just keep going till when you find the solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I think they just want money.

    What insight! To think that INTERNET MARKETERS would go online to sell to noobs (and others) just to make money!


    Almost like having a JOB, isn't it?
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  • This thread is ridiculous. Sure, I suppose there are a few losers out there trying to cash in on noobs and gain a quick buck in the short term. It's a bad business model, however.

    Anyone who is trying to make real money coaching noobs is going to do everything they can to provide value and make it as easy as possible for them to succeed. Doing that makes it possible to make even more money with upsells and obtain referrals from those noobs.

    Really, who is going to to be a better long term customer - one who has seen some success from what you have taught them or one who has failed?

    Even though I have sold courses, I have always bought plenty of them from others, too - not only to broaden my horizons, but to, perhaps, get some new insight into models that I teach, myself. That said, I'm not sure if anything I have ever purchased didn't provide some value.

    Frankly, the vast majority of noobs fail because they do not implement what is taught in courses. They skip steps, they try to do things an "easier" way or they just don't understand that part of the process IS failing. Any course that promises that you will succeed no matter what niche you choose is a red flag. You may have to toss up 3-5-7-10 websites until you find the golden ticket. It's real work, it takes time and a bit of a thick skin (and often, some luck) .

    We have been in eCommerce for many, many years and have built more than 200 websites. They all are not winners. The key is finding out relatively quickly whether the niche you have chosen has potential and if not, dumping it and moving onto the next potentially viable niche in your list of things to try. If you hit on 10-20% of your ideas, you're doing pretty good!
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