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Hello Warrior Members

Thanks in advance for anyone who reaches out to assist (positively) in any way

Here is my situation: I have an online e-learning website specifically for cabin crew / flight attendant interview training, so the niche is specific.

All over my website I have high quality professionally made videos. Both my landing page and sales page also have high quality videos. The Landing page video is 3 minutes long and the sales page video is 40 minutes long, and the sales page video over delivers and gives excellent information free, before asking them to buy the full product.

I only drive traffic to a squeeze page first
Cabin Crew Excellence – Online Cabin Crew Interview Training Intro Video

Then they get automatically redirected to the sales page
Cabin Crew Excellence – Online Cabin Crew Interview Training – Preparation

People who opt in then have them on an auto responder setup with 10 emails over 30 days.

I launched my website in April 12th and I have the following stats:

Unique Views

Traffic to squeeze page = 5300 (squeeze page is converting at 19%)

Sales page = 1000

Sales = 3

Most of my traffic has come from facebook, I have been targetiing people who are interested in becoming cabin crew/flight attendant, female, aged between 18-34 so my criteria has been specific.

Plus we have a face book page thats doing very well. We post high quality blogs and content from our website everyday! Here is the website itself:
Cabin Crew Excellence


We have been running the facebook page since feburary and we have nealry 6000 (100% Genuine) followers and counting.
https://www.facebook.com/cabincrewexcellence

I dont know what im doing wrong??

Thanks again for any help guys

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Hi Sam,

I'd take a look at some of the Australian Navy or Airforce recruiting videos for some ideas.

Although the girls look great and would obviously have some great insights to share with new people wanting to join the airline industry....what I don't see is....

them having a great time...

....doing some exciting clothes shopping...

...sipping cocktails...

...dating handsome men in exotic locations...

etc...

You can bore the girls after they buy with the details....

Most want to see the "dream lifestyle" and you don't show any...

Here are a few videos for reference but google more and check them out as to how to make something mundane seem glamorous...





I'd get the girls really stepping out and showing how they have had such a fantastic time as that is what you are selling..not passing the interview....
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by the way.... i have tweaked and tested my squeeze page and the current SP is now converting at 33% but still not enough sales
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Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

Hi Sam,

I'd take a look at some of the Australian Navy or Airforce recruiting videos for some ideas.

Although the girls look great and would obviously have some great insights to share with new people wanting to join the airline industry....what I don't see is....

them having a great time...

....doing some exciting clothes shopping...

...sipping cocktails...

...dating handsome men in exotic locations...

etc...

You can bore the girls after they buy with the details....

Most want to see the "dream lifestyle" and you don't show any...

Here are a few videos for reference but google more and check them out as to how to make something mundane seem glamorous...

Royal Australian Navy Recruitment TV Advertisement - YouTube


Australian Defence Force Recruitment Advertising - YouTube


I'd get the girls really stepping out and showing how they have had such a fantastic time as that is what you are selling..not passing the interview....

Hi Oziboomer

Thanks for the comments.

Funny enough I thought the same thing as you when we initially started the idea. However after doing a lot of research and market analysis, candidates actually want the specific information on how to pass the interview.

The candidates applying for the job already know the lifestyle and what the profession has to offer so we dont need to sell people on that. (I was also surprised when we researched and found this to be the case)

Regarding the lifestyle and the fun side of the profession, our FB page and website is where we flaunt all the fun, travel and personal development you get from the job. We aim to be an online platform for cabin crew so we have everything, such as jobs (we are building the recruitment side up as we speak) training, seminars, shop etc.

The cabin crew training market is full of crappy, poorly made ebooks that offer no value AT ALL, and we are the only online video based guide delivered by 2 experts with over 25 years experience, and we openly prove our credibility by sharing the linkedin profiles of our trainers on the "about us" page of the website. The only thing I can think of is the lack of trust candidates must have towards online guides since the quality of what was available before us was soooo poor.

The Idea I had to overcome this trust issue and was to conduct live webinars We have our first webinar coming up soon and we are massively over-subscribed so we are hoping that will be a huge success and overcome any "trust" issues and sell our products and services like hot-cakes
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You can still give them the "how to pass the interview"...but they are still buying the lifestyle.

You want this....well we can give it to you because....

To "steal" a headline idea from one of the other posts in a different part of the forum...

Makes passing the flight crew interview easy...
...so you can jet off and enjoy the world sooner.
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Hey Oziboomer

Do you mind me asking where the other forum is where you "stole" the headline?

im curious.

We did a split test with headlines like you suggested and I think people find it too salesie (if that is a word) types of headlines you suggest was converting at 10%

The current headline "Pass The Cabin Crew Interview First Time & Land Your Dream Job With A Major Airline" converts at 33%
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I can see this not working on more than a few levels. #1 you short intro video.. it does bring up the "lifestyle" in the middle... your headline states Land Your Dream Career... Today!" and then in he video there is mention of "Just a few short months".

#2 Your not pre-selling what so ever... I am supposed to insert my e-mail and learn everything I need to know. Albeit I didn't enter my e-mail.. but I will guess on the next page you are hitting me up with an offer. If you look at: Flight Attendant School | Travel Agent & Cruise Ship Training | The Travel Academy right there lower right of the page.. "120 hour overview", and "300 hour expanded" They are pre selling.. they are pointing out BENEFITS, and what's included right off the bat.. you.. you are offering all the answers for free.. and then trying to hit up the sale. and it simply will not work that way.

You have 19% wanting to learn how to be flight crew.. with the idea of it being "free" and only .0006% convinced your service is worth the investment.

Without question the end users motivation is there. Between the 19% conversion and the Facebook page, that is more than clear. Its the Value and the Incentive that is missing ( at least from the intro page ) At this point other than being deceived into thinking for free I will learn everything I need to know.

Instead of everything I need to know maybe it should be an "introduction" to everything I will need to know.

Selling is steps.. it sounds like you are pre-qualifying.. but the pre-selling and selling functions need work. You need to smooth out the last 2 functions of the sale.

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Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

Hi Sam,

I'd take a look at some of the Australian Navy or Airforce recruiting videos for some ideas.

Although the girls look great and would obviously have some great insights to share with new people wanting to join the airline industry....what I don't see is....

them having a great time...

....doing some exciting clothes shopping...

...sipping cocktails...

...dating handsome men in exotic locations...

etc...

You can bore the girls after they buy with the details....

Most want to see the "dream lifestyle" and you don't show any...

Here are a few videos for reference but google more and check them out as to how to make something mundane seem glamorous...

Royal Australian Navy Recruitment TV Advertisement - YouTube


Australian Defence Force Recruitment Advertising - YouTube


I'd get the girls really stepping out and showing how they have had such a fantastic time as that is what you are selling..not passing the interview....
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I can see this not working on more than a few levels. #1 you short intro video.. it does bring up the "lifestyle" in the middle... your headline states Land Your Dream Career... Today!" and then in he video there is mention of "Just a few short months".

#2 Your not pre-selling what so ever... I am supposed to insert my e-mail and learn everything I need to know. Albeit I didn't enter my e-mail.. but I will guess on the next page you are hitting me up with an offer. If you look at: Flight Attendant School | Travel Agent & Cruise Ship Training | The Travel Academy right there lower right of the page.. "120 hour overview", and "300 hour expanded" They are pre selling.. they are pointing out BENEFITS, and what's included right off the bat.. you.. you are offering all the answers for free.. and then trying to hit up the sale. and it simply will not work that way.

You have 19% wanting to learn how to be flight crew.. with the idea of it being "free" and only .0006% convinced your service is worth the investment.

Without question the end users motivation is there. Between the 19% conversion and the Facebook page, that is more than clear. Its the Value and the Incentive that is missing ( at least from the intro page ) At this point other than being deceived into thinking for free I will learn everything I need to know.

Instead of everything I need to know maybe it should be an "introduction" to everything I will need to know.

Selling is steps.. it sounds like you are pre-qualifying.. but the pre-selling and selling functions need work. You need to smooth out the last 2 functions of the sale.

Hmmmm Very interesting points. Thanks for the time and energy to respond.

Regarding the first part "learn everything today", but then in the video we say a few short months, this is because we dont want to lie. People who are applying for the job know that after getting the offer, you will have to undertake trainings (and relocate in many cases) and it will take a couple of months to start flying/working. So we want to keep credibility and not make fake promises

Regarding the second part; I think you may be onto something. I have a few ideas but simply changing it as an introduction is the easiest suggestion (thanks) but im trying to think of a more powerful/alluring tactic... Anyone out there have any ideas??

p.s. I did have a delayed "buy button" that popped into existence after 10 minutes of the main sales page video playing, like many classic internet marketing products, but again I think its too aggressive and may also come off as dishonest.
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Regarding the first part "learn everything today", but then in the video we say a few short months, this is because we dont want to lie.
I would consider this "baiting" and If I do ( I have low standards of this LOL ) then your end user does. "Start learning today" changes the context of the statement to fit better with the overall message

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People who are applying for the job know that after getting the offer, you will have to undertake trainings (and relocate in many cases) and it will take a couple of months to start flying/working. So we want to keep credibility and not make fake promises
I would call this a wild assumption. People that have looked into this.. they know that. if you happen to be a persons first contact with the idea.. well they may not know that. The link I left earlier would be default suggest that with some online training you would be ready to go, no?

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Regarding the second part; I think you may be onto something. I have a few ideas but simply changing it as an introduction is the easiest suggestion (thanks) but im trying to think of a more powerful/alluring tactic... Anyone out there have any ideas??
I would say that you are over thinking. You pre-Qualify them to bring them there. You introduce your program and offer a getting started pack, you then make the sale. there is nothing powerful and alluring needed here.. if anything that free piece of content should be the over the top powerful and alluring... that is truly the sales piece that I would think might be a weak link.

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p.s. I did have a delayed "buy button" that popped into existence after 10 minutes of the main sales page video playing, like many classic internet marketing products, but again I think its too aggressive and may also come off as dishonest.
I might suggest that your efforts to be less aggressive and coming off dishonest may actually be doing what it is you are intending them not to.

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Thanks again for your feedback.

I think the points you are making are very valid. I did a lot of market research before hand and have some comments about a couple of your points.

"I would say that you are over thinking. You pre-Qualify them to bring them there. You introduce your program and offer a getting started pack, you then make the sale. there is nothing powerful and alluring needed here.. if anything that free piece of content should be the over the top powerful and alluring... that is truly the sales piece that I would think might be a weak link."

So what is the advice? go back to the delayed buy button approach where the buy button pops in after 10 minutes? (funny enough I made my sales when I had the delay)
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I can see this not working on more than a few levels. #1 you short intro video.. it does bring up the "lifestyle" in the middle... your headline states Land Your Dream Career... Today!" and then in he video there is mention of "Just a few short months".

#2 Your not pre-selling what so ever... I am supposed to insert my e-mail and learn everything I need to know. Albeit I didn't enter my e-mail.. but I will guess on the next page you are hitting me up with an offer. If you look at: Flight Attendant School | Travel Agent & Cruise Ship Training | The Travel Academy right there lower right of the page.. "120 hour overview", and "300 hour expanded" They are pre selling.. they are pointing out BENEFITS, and what's included right off the bat.. you.. you are offering all the answers for free.. and then trying to hit up the sale. and it simply will not work that way.

You have 19% wanting to learn how to be flight crew.. with the idea of it being "free" and only .0006% convinced your service is worth the investment.

Without question the end users motivation is there. Between the 19% conversion and the Facebook page, that is more than clear. Its the Value and the Incentive that is missing ( at least from the intro page ) At this point other than being deceived into thinking for free I will learn everything I need to know.

Instead of everything I need to know maybe it should be an "introduction" to everything I will need to know.

Selling is steps.. it sounds like you are pre-qualifying.. but the pre-selling and selling functions need work. You need to smooth out the last 2 functions of the sale.
Hi savidge4

I had to pop out earlier and only had a proper chance to look at the link to Flight Attendant School | Travel Agent & Cruise Ship Training | The Travel Academy just now.

Im sorry to say, these guys are AWFUL and the exact reason why we are offering the online course. I check the (right there lower right of the page.. "120 hour overview", and "300 hour expanded") like you suggested, and I don't see any benefits that they offer or the preselling you mentioned? When you click either of those links they take you to a form to fill out loads of information.

I truly value your feedback, however the "travel academy" are a rip-off and their website is awful in my opinion. I would not use them as a model for anything! Plus we checked out their courses and they are overprices and very poorly administered from what we can see.
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That sales page is a jumbled mess, very cluttered & difficult to figure out a call-to-action.

Traffic is already interested after watching the squeeze page video, give them a simple Buy Now button directly on the squeeze page & be done with it.

Also test raising the price to something like $97 before changing anything else, you never know, traffic might not take the lower price serious. Test it & see what happens.
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Most of my traffic has come from facebook, I have been targetiing people who are interested in becoming cabin crew/flight attendant, female, aged between 18-34 so my criteria has been specific.
Sam, what you are doing wrong is wasting their time by
telling the viewers why it's a good career choice.

You have said they are already interested in becoming
a flight attendant.

They have already read your articles.

Now is the time to be be very specific in what they get out of your training.

To make the training more legitimate in the viewers mind,
adding tests at the end will fit into what they are used to.

The layout of the squeeze page needs changing
so that the sign up area is easier to see and be more
specific as to the benefit.

As of now it's a e-book and video.

That's just a quick starter.

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Im sorry to say, these guys are AWFUL and the exact reason why we are offering the online course. I check the (right there lower right of the page.. "120 hour overview", and "300 hour expanded") like you suggested, and I don't see any benefits that they offer or the preselling you mentioned? When you click either of those links they take you to a form to fill out loads of information.
I have no idea of what is on the other side of the buttons... its the fact that they are there. - they may very well be awful but they but they out rank you in the search engines, and I bet sell a bit more than you.

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I truly value your feedback, however the "travel academy" are a rip-off and their website is awful in my opinion. I would not use them as a model for anything! Plus we checked out their courses and they are overprices and very poorly administered from what we can see.
This is exactly why you need to consider a USP ( Unique Selling Perspective ) HOW are you different? Are they "overpriced" or are you underpriced as Yukon mentions?

Keep in mind you are the one with the .0006% conversion percentage. don't shoot the messenger. There are things that other awful site is doing right that you are not.. for the sake of you wanting to be different. That's great, but "different" doesn't always sell.

Ewen is saying your messaging is wrong.. I have said your are mismatched in your messaging... try reading this: http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...verts-pay.html look at the pdf at the bottom of Ewens post.

Speak to your audience... lay out the reasons why your program and stop being so shady with the fact you are selling something.. it is really ok to sell!

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Hey guys and thanks again for the feedback

This is exactly why you need to consider a USP ( Unique Selling Perspective ) HOW are you different? Are they "overpriced" or are you underpriced as Yukon mentions?
We have a very clear USP which is we are an online based interview training platform with videos and ebooks that will teach you everything in around 5-6 hours (we are the only people doing this globally). Candidates do not need to waste time, money and energy in a classrooms learning irrelevant safety drill to get the job. Each airline has to train you on safety before you start working irrespective on if you have been trained before or not, it is compulsory and a requirement by the aviation authorities. Doing safety training before hand is pointless, and this is the main hook how companies overcharge and misinform candidates. Our service is actually really valuable and we are looking to revolutionise the way cabin crew/flight attendant interview training is administered globally.

Regarding the price: We did have it at $97 and it didnt sell and then i dropped the price $47 and sold a few. I would love to sell it for $97 since thats what i think its worth.

It is also interesting that some people say my sales page is a mess. My original sales page was very plain and much shorter, but then other marketers told me to add much more info to the page so that all the topics & benefits are "abundant"....now im hearing that people think its too cluttered? I must admit I am a little confused.

And Ewenmack...says that the squeeze page does not have a clear call to action?? The email box is above the fold, directly under the video and in the video we tell you multiple times to put your email "below". And The I think the squeeze page is not an issue. This current page is converting at 33%. Cabin Crew Excellence – Online Cabin Crew Interview Training Intro Video

Traffic is already interested after watching the squeeze page video, give them a simple Buy Now button directly on the squeeze page & be done with it.
The quote above also blows my mind, because I am now being advised to have a "buy button" on my squeeze page? Am I correct in believing you think I should remove the email capture and just have a buy button and not collect opt-ins? Doesn't this go against the internet marketing rule of thumb of never sending people to a sales page without sending them to a squeeze page first? (I would greatly appreciate clarification)

And thanks again guys for all the feedback, whether I agree with the feedback or not, it is nice of you all to take the time and comment

p.s. I moved back to a structure that got me the sale in the first place

1. Squeeze page: Cabin Crew Excellence – Online Cabin Crew Interview Training Intro Video

2. Then Free Video: Cabin Crew Excellence – Online Cabin Crew Interview Training – Preparation
(the buy button pops after 9 minutes and takes you to enter your payment details)
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Sam, I was called in to get higher sales from a company
that sells online career training.

They were doing $5 million annual sales.

Had their own conversion specialists
in house.

They split test every adjustment.

My 5 minute look and the 3 suggestions
they implemented, jumped their conversions by 25%.
after 3 days.

Now, what I said about wasting the visitors time by
why this is a great career choice, you haven't addressed.

Nor being very specific on the squeeze page.

Saying videos and ebook is generic.

That could be swapped for most other offerings outside your audience.

Best,
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Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

I can see this not working on more than a few levels. #1 you short intro video.. it does bring up the "lifestyle" in the middle... your headline states Land Your Dream Career... Today!" and then in he video there is mention of "Just a few short months".

#2 Your not pre-selling what so ever... I am supposed to insert my e-mail and learn everything I need to know. Albeit I didn't enter my e-mail.. but I will guess on the next page you are hitting me up with an offer. If you look at: Flight Attendant School | Travel Agent & Cruise Ship Training | The Travel Academy right there lower right of the page.. "120 hour overview", and "300 hour expanded" They are pre selling.. they are pointing out BENEFITS, and what's included right off the bat.. you.. you are offering all the answers for free.. and then trying to hit up the sale. and it simply will not work that way.

You have 19% wanting to learn how to be flight crew.. with the idea of it being "free" and only .0006% convinced your service is worth the investment.

Without question the end users motivation is there. Between the 19% conversion and the Facebook page, that is more than clear. Its the Value and the Incentive that is missing ( at least from the intro page ) At this point other than being deceived into thinking for free I will learn everything I need to know.

Instead of everything I need to know maybe it should be an "introduction" to everything I will need to know.

Selling is steps.. it sounds like you are pre-qualifying.. but the pre-selling and selling functions need work. You need to smooth out the last 2 functions of the sale.
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Sam, I was called in to get higher sales from a company
that sells online career training.

They were doing $5 million annual sales.

Had their own conversion specialists
in house.

They split test every adjustment.

My 5 minute look and the 3 suggestions
they implemented, jumped their conversions by 25%.
after 3 days.

Now, what I said about wasting the visitors time by
why this is a great career choice, you haven't addressed.

Nor being very specific on the squeeze page.

Saying videos and ebook is generic.

That could be swapped for most other offerings outside your audience.

Best,
Doctor E. Vile
Hi Ewenmack. Thanks for the feedback. Did you watch the squeeze page video? The video is very clear and gives very specific call to action several times?
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We have a very clear USP which is we are an online based interview training platform with videos and ebooks that will teach you everything in around 5-6 hours (we are the only people doing this globally).
you are saying this is clear. where on your landing page is this information? where on your homepage is this information? a CLEAR USP is exactly that.. and yours is not.

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Candidates do not need to waste time, money and energy in a classrooms learning irrelevant safety drill to get the job. Each airline has to train you on safety before you start working irrespective on if you have been trained before or not, it is compulsory and a requirement by the aviation authorities. Doing safety training before hand is pointless, and this is the main hook how companies overcharge and misinform candidates. Our service is actually really valuable and we are looking to revolutionise the way cabin crew/flight attendant interview training is administered globally.
In this little paragraph right here..i have learned more of what you do and the thought behind what you are teaching than watching all of your material.

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Regarding the price: We did have it at $97 and it didnt sell and then i dropped the price $47 and sold a few. I would love to sell it for $97 since thats what i think its worth.
If you "Sell" this right.. yes $97 without an issue.

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It is also interesting that some people say my sales page is a mess. My original sales page was very plain and much shorter, but then other marketers told me to add much more info to the page so that all the topics & benefits are "abundant"....now im hearing that people think its too cluttered? I must admit I am a little confused.
Here is the thing. if you are adding information to a page and you leave your call to action at the top of the page you are defeating the purpose... the stuff below becomes "clutter" Short page opt-ins would be a video, some bullets of benefits, and then an otin. A long form would have additional information such as testimonials and what the course may cover and a video and more benefits etc.. with the option to opt-in at the Bottom.

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And Ewenmack...says that the squeeze page does not have a clear call to action?? The email box is above the fold, directly under the video and in the video we tell you multiple times to put your email "below". And The I think the squeeze page is not an issue. This current page is converting at 33%. Cabin Crew Excellence – Online Cabin Crew Interview Training Intro Video
Call to action - in greater than most cases you want to use a contrasting color. In your case the lime green would be a good choice. General best practices suggest a large button. so in your case Lime green and something say 50px in height and 1/4 of the screen width would be in order.

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The quote above also blows my mind, because I am now being advised to have a "buy button" on my squeeze page? Am I correct in believing you think I should remove the email capture and just have a buy button and not collect opt-ins? Doesn't this go against the internet marketing rule of thumb of never sending people to a sales page without sending them to a squeeze page first? (I would greatly appreciate clarification)
I would use the opt-in.. but on the next page.. me personally.. I would have the video.. some testimonials and a box with the price and the button to buy now.. it really is not so clear what you want. Again.. you are trying not to be pushy with the sales, and it is coming across as tho you are hiding something.

If you spoke about your product on your sales page in the same manor you are defending it here.. you wouldn't even need the video.

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Hey savidge4

Good advice. I think having the USP written clearly would help, so I have clearly added this now. Plus I added some more text at the bottom of the page as to why we are different from the rest.

I still have the buy button delayed to pop after 9 minutes. I have nothing to hide, however soooo many internet marketing models are successfully using this method since it forces people to watch the free video since it is the most powerful selling tool on the page.
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I also have increased the price because the product is amazing and worth every penny, and underselling it is actually hurting the sales i believe. So now its back to $97 and it will stay that way

I kept the squeeze page the same since its actually consistently converting at 33%
Cabin Crew Excellence – Online Cabin Crew Interview Training Intro Video

If you (or anyone) would be kind enough to click the sales page link, read it, then wait 9 mins for the button to pop and give your feedback I would be very grateful.

Thanks A Million!
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So I waited the 9 minutes.. and well I thought nothing happened. So the suggestion now... on a video page such as that, while the video is playing I am going to scroll through the text below, and then move back up and focus on the video.


I would reduce the size of the video enough to allow the CTA pop-in to be right at the fold of the page. So that I notice that it popped in place.

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So I waited the 9 minutes.. and well I thought nothing happened. So the suggestion now... on a video page such as that, while the video is playing I am going to scroll through the text below, and then move back up and focus on the video.


I would reduce the size of the video enough to allow the CTA pop-in to be right at the fold of the page. So that I notice that it popped in place.
Hey savidge4

Even though the buy button pops after 9 mins, we tell them to scroll down and buy in the video after 10 mins. So although it looks like nothing happened, when we tell them to scroll down in the video I guess it should have the required effect.

Thanks for all your comments.

I have been slow mode with my marketing while I have been tweaking. I will up the budget again after my first webinar tomorrow, so lets see if the new page converts better.
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Grab them by the throat from the start and don't let go. You need to make them feel the pain of what's going to happen if they don't buy your training.

This is an industry that has a notoriously high rejection rate. I remember reading an article that said one airline turned down a higher percentage of people than Harvard.

So if your students have over an 80% success rate in an industry where 90% of people fail (that was the number I recall, but obviously you'll have to check your facts) you need to hammer that home.

Your training is the one thing standing between them and their dream... there is so much competition for jobs that either they use your hard-earned industry secrets or they'll get beaten out by someone who was smart enough to invest in your course.

Maybe you have some of that in your video, maybe not. I watched the first 30 seconds and got bored. It seemed more like a corporate training video than a sales message. Get to the point right away and hook people in or you'll lose them for good.

Edit: The headline is really weak and doesn't convey any benefit or sense of urgency, Either make them so excited to watch the video or so scared to click away that they actually have to watch the thing right then and there.
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Hi Ewenmack. Thanks for the feedback. Did you watch the squeeze page video? The video is very clear and gives very specific call to action several times?
Yes.

She says...

"You might be fresh out of high school and wonder which
professional path to take...

You might of heard from your friends..."

Your visitors have already decided this is the right career.

You are losing the one's ready to buy.

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Grab them by the throat from the start and don't let go. You need to make them feel the pain of what's going to happen if they don't buy your training.

This is an industry that has a notoriously high rejection rate. I remember reading an article that said one airline turned down a higher percentage of people than Harvard.

So if your students have over an 80% success rate in an industry where 90% of people fail (that was the number I recall, but obviously you'll have to check your facts) you need to hammer that home.

Your training is the one thing standing between them and their dream... there is so much competition for jobs that either they use your hard-earned industry secrets or they'll get beaten out by someone who was smart enough to invest in your course.

Maybe you have some of that in your video, maybe not. I watched the first 30 seconds and got bored. It seemed more like a corporate training video than a sales message. Get to the point right away and hook people in or you'll lose them for good.

Edit: The headline is really weak and doesn't convey any benefit or sense of urgency, Either make them so excited to watch the video or so scared to click away that they actually have to watch the thing right then and there.

Hey Tim

Thats the thing, we dont want to come across overly salesie since it puts people off and they tell us its cheesy (we did split tests). The video is boring to you and I can see why, but people wanting the job...they find it extremely interesting and informative and we have a large % of people who watch the video all the way until the end, but they dont buy!

I considered that maybe we over deliver on the free video, but again, all internet marketing experts say its always better to over deliver on your free product.

I think our headline depicts why they should watch and the benefits of watching, and many do. And the rest of the sales page shows our USPs... But i admit Im not sure where to turn next?

One Thing I considered was that I am not targeting my precise audience via my facebook marketing. My ideal customer is a candidate who is currently applying for a cabin crew job...if I caught someone applying for a job, im very confident they would buy my product. In-fact the few people who bought the guide were exactly that. And when I contacted them, they told me they had interviews coming up soon. Maybe thats the thing....I need to target my market more specifically?
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My ideal customer is a candidate who is currently applying for a cabin crew job...if I caught someone applying for a job, im very confident they would buy my product. In-fact the few people who bought the guide were exactly that. And when I contacted them, they told me they had interviews coming up soon. Maybe thats the thing....I need to target my market more specifically?
Yes!

They are your buyers.

That's the conclusion I was wanting you to come to,
not me tell you.

Now imagine this person who has a job interview coming up soon
and read this...

For The Person Who Is About To Apply For A Job As A Cabin Crew

It's done the most important job,
grab the attention of your ideal buyer.

It's ignored those that aren't buyers.

Now we are heading in the right direction.

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we have a large % of people who watch the video all the way until the end, but they dont buy!
So here is the question.. are the clicking the buy now button at all.. or just leaving the page? I have never seen a video sales page where the buy now loads way down at the bottom of a page. you keep saying that your video says its there...but saying it, and seeing it.. are 2 totally different things.

I would say that the testimonials belong on the page before.. and the long video sales page should be nothing but video and buy now.

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Thats the thing, we dont want to come across overly salesie since it puts people off and they tell us its cheesy (we did split tests). The video is boring to you and I can see why, but people wanting the job...they find it extremely interesting and informative and we have a large % of people who watch the video all the way until the end, but they dont buy!

I considered that maybe we over deliver on the free video, but again, all internet marketing experts say its always better to over deliver on your free product.
It's not about being 'salesy' or 'cheesy', it's about clearly demonstrating why they need your training. There's nothing cheesy about giving them hard factual data that proves the effectiveness of your offer. If you really believe in it, and it sounds like you do, then don't be afraid to actually sell it.

Keep in mind that what people say they want and what they respond to are often two very different things. Who cares what people are telling you if they're not buying. You could have 100% of people find your video interesting and informative, that doesn't mean it's effective. Do you want people to like your video, or do you want them to purchase your product?

I think our headline depicts why they should watch and the benefits of watching, and many do. And the rest of the sales page shows our USPs... But i admit Im not sure where to turn next?
You seem really resistant to a lot of the advice you're getting, like you want to defend what you currently have. I get it. But here's the thing: It's not working.

It doesn't matter if you think the headline is great, or the video is great, or all your USPs are great. Your sales message at the moment is ineffective. You're not doing a good enough job of motivating people to take action.

Think about what the biggest driving factors are for your prospects. What is it that keeps them up at night, terrified? What do they secretly dream of in their heart of hearts?

I don't know what's in your video but this seems like a situation that is tailor-made for good storytelling.

One Thing I considered was that I am not targeting my precise audience via my facebook marketing. My ideal customer is a candidate who is currently applying for a cabin crew job...if I caught someone applying for a job, im very confident they would buy my product. In-fact the few people who bought the guide were exactly that. And when I contacted them, they told me they had interviews coming up soon. Maybe thats the thing....I need to target my market more specifically?
Yes, obviously going after people who have an immediate need for your product is a good idea.

Good luck with it all.
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Hey Guys.

Again I can't thank you all enough for the feedback !!

savidge4: I have made some alterations towards a more classic approach which takes away the delayed button and makes things much clearer. Like you have been advising, I am not shying away from "selling" the product anymore However I think I will leave the testimonials on the sales page. I believe having testimonials on the squeeze page would make them redundant and prospects will forget that they have seen them after watching the video from the sales page.

Tim R: Have a look at the sales page now. I spoke to a couple friends who are successful internet marketers and they also made suggestions similar to yours, so I have made amendments accordingly. Everyone has their own opinions so I took a little of what I think would work best for me, such as FAQ's, along with common mistakes and how the product can solve those mistake.

Sales Page: Cabin Crew Excellence – Online Cabin Crew Interview Training – Preparation

Im sure there is still more tweaking to be done, but i do feel its much better than before and gets better everyday.


Any other feedback please keep it coming. And Thanks a million
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Just a quick suggestion...

Strengthen your guarantee.

I get a bit of an uneasy feeling with the "Nothing to worry about" 30 day guarantee.

Nothing and Worry....two negatives

Why not guarantee if you don't PASS your interview you get 100% money back.?

Something like...

Cabin Crew Excellence guarantees your success. If you've had an interview and been unsuccessful after taking our program just send us a copy of your rejection letter and we'll refund you 100% of every dollar you invested in our proven system....you'll even get to keep the entire training so you can improve and succeed second time around. We are so confident in your success that we make this Iron clad offer to you...

...Remember Your success at achieving "Flight Crew Status" is our number one priority.

BUY Cabin Crew Excellence TODAY knowing you have the best "flight crew" success team backing you every step of your journey.
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I think you have a good offer with good potential. See my critique below:

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Hell Sean. I really appreciate your critique along with the time and energy you spent! Its heartwarming! However I don't feel too comfortable having it on Youtube. I know its great PR for you and it clearly shows you know what you are talking about with some great suggestions! However Could You please remove the video and delete from YT.

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Regarding your suggestions. Great Stuff!

Here is my feedback:

Buy button at the bottom. Funny enough when you read through the thread, I had people suggest to have the buy button right at the bottom or directly under the video and that having it next to the Product pictures was a bad idea so I adjusted accordingly.

You made some great suggestions and I will put them into practise.

Highlighting key points in the testimonials (great)
Moving the key taglines to the top of the page (great)
Highlighting the benefits of bonus products (great)

I will put all of this into practise!

Regarding the video itself. We actually have great feedback from candidates saying that its extremely informative. We did research before making the video and we dont need to sell the cabin crew job itself. The marketing is targeted to people who have already failed, so they know about the job benefits, and they told us they dont need to hear about it and they dont want to. In fact seeing a video promoting the job will put them off since its highlighting what they are missing. This has been the feedback.

We are actually changing our entire model and moving into a subscription platform with monthly memberships for a much better structure. We conducted some additional research and many want our info in smaller chunks so they can buy the sections they want and this is what we are doing. We estimate it will take a couple of weeks and then I will be back to share the results we the warriors.

Thanks for all your help guys!!!!!
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Thanks for removing the video Sean. Im hugely thankful!

Like I said, great advice! Many people helped with with great tips and I had some great suggestions. However the energy, care, attention and suggestions given by Sean DeSilva were exemplary!!

Thanks for all your comments and suggestions from all the warriors and I will be back in 2 weeks hopefully with the new product model we are building now and I will share the new sales approach....And hopefully it will crack the sales door wide open. We truly have a great product that can help thousands of people.

Thanks a bunch guys and special thanks to Sean, Tim R, OziBoomer, Savidge4 & the Doctor!

Im glad to see the internet marketing world is full of truly nice people who want to help. Us internet marketers get a bad rep sometimes but hopefully from this post many will see that we are not all bad

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Hey Warriors !!

So I'm back with an all new structure based on some of the wonderful advice I received.

Please see below links to my new squeeze page and sales page. I changed the videos and structure of the pages to be more inline with best practices! Let me know your feedback guys

Squeeze page: Cabin Crew Excellence – Online Cabin Crew Interview Training Intro Video

Sales Page: Cabin Crew Excellence – Resources


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I have had a fast look at both your Squeeze Page an Sales Page, an quick read through of comments given to you by others here. My main comment, I think both Squeeze Page an Sales Page look very amateurish in design - they don't inspire me at all. Too plain, looks old fashioned in a plain wordpressy way, not giving a very professional image etc. Too cold an impersonal too if you can understand that. You need to use more photos throughout the page. The Text Header looks aweful, it's so plain. It's the first thing anyone see's, don't you think it should look at least a bit attractive???. The two box's of cross's an tick's. Get rid of the box's - they look aweful too.

I like the The Squeeze Page video, it looks professional. The Sales Page video I hate the Copyright Notice being the first thing I see on the video. If you have to have it put it at the end. I'm guessing the rest of that video is as professional as the one on the Squeeze Page. You might have seen Sales Pages that feature a main selling video but also provide a virtual, transcript of the video further down the page. The reason - not everyone has fast internet speed to play video in real time, many people actually still use dialup internet connections. For that reason I would add text version of your video.
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I have had a fast look at both your Squeeze Page an Sales Page, an quick read through of comments given to you by others here. My main comment, I think both Squeeze Page an Sales Page look very amateurish in design - they don't inspire me at all. Too plain, looks old fashioned in a plain wordpressy way, not giving a very professional image etc. Too cold an impersonal too if you can understand that. You need to use more photos throughout the page. The Text Header looks aweful, it's so plain. It's the first thing anyone see's, don't you think it should look at least a bit attractive???. The two box's of cross's an tick's. Get rid of the box's - they look aweful too.

I like the The Squeeze Page video, it looks professional. The Sales Page video I hate the Copyright Notice being the first thing I see on the video. If you have to have it put it at the end. I'm guessing the rest of that video is as professional as the one on the Squeeze Page. You might have seen Sales Pages that feature a main selling video but also provide a virtual, transcript of the video further down the page. The reason - not everyone has fast internet speed to play video in real time, many people actually still use dialup internet connections. For that reason I would add text version of your video.

Hello LindyUK

I appreciate your feedback However I am surprised by some of your comments, especially if they are based on the comments made earlier within the thread.

Opinions can sometimes be a matter of taste. The design of the page is from one of the best selling wordpress themes around and so far you are the first person to criticise the look and and feel, rather than the content or layout, so I think the look and feel are subjective. If I get more comments about the quality of the look and feel, then I will look to address this.

Regarding the header; I have searched many forums regarding the design and many suggest plain no no-nonsense headers and that you should not over design otherwise it takes away from your message being clearly read. But others do suggest an all-singing-all-dancing header. I will keep the header plain for the purposes of mobile optimisation and for the fact we want them to watch the videos mainly. I guess plain and simple is my personal preference. But out of interest, you read the message loud and clear right....?

This leads nicely onto why we dont have pictures all over the sales page. We did a split test with pictures of cabin crew and aircrafts and people found it cheesy and gimmicky so we kept the simple page with no unnecessary pictures since it converted significantly better. And again, we have lots of images in the videos, so we would rather people watch than look at pics

Regarding the transcript of the video. This is the first time I have had this suggestion, however I think this is not the right approach for us. If people dont have proper internet, then they can not use our online platform anyway since its all online video based training.

Thanks for the time spent on giving me feedback

Your a star x

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I don't often comment in WF but was attracted by your "need help" subject line. Up to you if you take notice or not, I was jus giving you my views an some advice. I stand by my comments, we run multi million dollar IM Business's - didn't get that way from not knowing what we are talking bout. Points I mentioned really relate to image - in my view your website is projecting a fairly amateurish image an that would impact on conversions/sales. Re you would rather have people watch the video then look at anything on the page (re photos) The fact is that you people take approx 3 seconds to decide if they will stay on a website, it is an instant decision, not made after watching minutes of video. Next point, no matter what WEB 2.0 devotees say re plain an simple text based websites, there is a very old saying - a picture paints a thousand words. Why do Newspapers an Magazines have photos rather than jus be plain text articles? It's because people are more attracted to viewing photos than they are in reading text. You say: But out of interest, you read the message loud and clear right....? Yes but NOT the message you were hoping to convey to me if I had been a potential customer. In my opinion anyway.Cheers
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Hello again Sam

I jus had a look at your FaceBook page, an I'm really surprised. Why have you got all those photos in there? First a very nice Photo Header, then photos in posts, then must be a 100 or more photos in Album.

Why? Don't you think it would look better jus as plain text so people could concentrate on the message rather than being distracted by all those photos.

Actually I'v read that people post bout 400 million photos PER DAY to FaceBook. Perhaps people like photos do you think?

Sooo, now I'd like to know why you think people like seeing photos in FaceBook but not in websites.

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Hello again Sam

I jus had a look at your FaceBook page, an I'm really surprised. Why have you got all those photos in there? First a very nice Photo Header, then photos in posts, then must be a 100 or more photos in Album.

Why? Don't you think it would look better jus as plain text so people could concentrate on the message rather than being distracted by all those photos.

Actually I'v read that people post bout 400 million photos PER DAY to FaceBook. Perhaps people like photos do you think?

Sooo, now I'd like to know why you think people like seeing photos in FaceBook but not in websites.

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Hello again Lindy.

Thank you for taking the time to check out our Facebook page and reply again to the post.
We appreciate your feedback and have taken some on board.

It's true that a photo speaks a thousand words, however a video does even more than that. It is no coincidence that one of the largest website in the world is YouTube... Video-based marketing is one of the highest converting.

Regarding the amount of photos on Facebook, I think we can agree that it is quite different from our platform. People come to Facebook to be social, see fun stuff and forget abut work, they don't want to study or be sold on work-related stuff.

The website on the other hand is a e-learning platform, so quite different purposes really...

We did put some pics on the sales page. We didn't want to use generic pictures that everybody can find online, so chose to use photos of the girls, being happy on the job. I agree it does add a good tone to the sales page.

So thanks a million for the suggestions, I really appreciate it.

Have a wonderful day for now.

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My last reply for the moment, I need to get back to work here.

Re: "Regarding the amount of photos on Facebook, I think we can agree that it is quite different from our platform. People come to Facebook to be social, see fun stuff and forget abut work, they don't want to study or be sold on work-related stuff."

You are joking right? 6000 people came to your FB page for fun stuff or to be social? I don't think so Sam, unless your doing some really strange advertising to get them there.

Don't think you have any concept of FaceBook marketing. Actually I see you now have 7,049 FB Likes - but was it 3 sales you mentioned?, very few sales anyway.

We use FB mainly for list building, to get subscribers for our Magazines (Magazines are then used for Affiliate Marketing) but you can market directly from FaceBook, hardly even needing a website actually.

Anyway, your problem is mainly your website - it is fairly obvious if you are getting targetted traffic of 1000 to it an that converts to 3 sales on a low cost product.

If I were revamping your website I'd first be following suggestions I'v already made, re making it more attractive, adding Header an photos etc. Forget bout Best Practice an Web 2.0 looks etc. (We wouldn't even use WP, we think its mainly for people who havn't learned to design websites!, but each his own)

I havn't even watched that sales video but I'd likely chuck it.

Your USP is the two women, the experienced air hostess's. I would incorporate their stories an photos into my sales pitch. The sales pitch would be maybe similar to what you have in the video, ie coming from them.

I would chuck all those icecream cone priced single modules. Low prices sound like crap products.

I would go back to the US$97 price point. (at least) It sounds like your maybe getting value from a quality product at that price.

I would maybe provide one free module as an example of what they will be getting. An make sure that it provides value, it acts as a showcase to your full course. If your course is video based that showcase module can be placed on the Sales Page.

Thats for starters.

I don't know how experienced you are but you don't seem to agree with much of what I have said in my previous posts. Not sure if others who have commented will agree either, we tend to be fairly different to most Internet Marketers. One very big difference is that we do this full time, have around 54 full time employees an over US$10 million a year in volume, bout half of that is profit. Thats reason enough to agree with everything I say I think! lol.

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My last reply for the moment, I need to get back to work here.

Re: "Regarding the amount of photos on Facebook, I think we can agree that it is quite different from our platform. People come to Facebook to be social, see fun stuff and forget abut work, they don't want to study or be sold on work-related stuff."

You are joking right? 6000 people came to your FB page for fun stuff or to be social? I don't think so Sam, unless your doing some really strange advertising to get them there.

Don't think you have any concept of FaceBook marketing. Actually I see you now have 7,049 FB Likes - but was it 3 sales you mentioned?, very few sales anyway.

We use FB mainly for list building, to get subscribers for our Magazines (Magazines are then used for Affiliate Marketing) but you can market directly from FaceBook, hardly even needing a website actually.

Anyway, your problem is mainly your website - it is fairly obvious if you are getting targetted traffic of 1000 to it an that converts to 3 sales on a low cost product.

If I were revamping your website I'd first be following suggestions I'v already made, re making it more attractive, adding Header an photos etc. Forget bout Best Practice an Web 2.0 looks etc. (We wouldn't even use WP, we think its mainly for people who havn't learned to design websites!, but each his own)

I havn't even watched that sales video but I'd likely chuck it.

Your USP is the two women, the experienced air hostess's. I would incorporate their stories an photos into my sales pitch. The sales pitch would be maybe similar to what you have in the video, ie coming from them.

I would chuck all those icecream cone priced single modules. Low prices sound like crap products.

I would go back to the US$97 price point. (at least) It sounds like your maybe getting value from a quality product at that price.

I would maybe provide one free module as an example of what they will be getting. An make sure that it provides value, it acts as a showcase to your full course. If your course is video based that showcase module can be placed on the Sales Page.

Thats for starters.

I don't know how experienced you are but you don't seem to agree with much of what I have said in my previous posts. Not sure if others who have commented will agree either, we tend to be fairly different to most Internet Marketers. One very big difference is that we do this full time, have around 54 full time employees an over US$10 million a year in volume, bout half of that is profit. Thats reason enough to agree with everything I say I think! lol.

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Hello Lindy.

I really appreciate your feedback, but the tone is highly offensive and unnecessarily brash...

Maybe you had a bad day, which is weird considering your making $5m a year profit....I would have thought you would be all flowers and rainbows lol

I think you do not understand our products or our customers. Being overly gimmicky overdoing the sales part doesn't work. Trust us we have tested it!

Regarding not using WP and that its for people who cant design websites....wow....thats a big statement about one of the largest website platforms in the world, but you're entitled to your opinion. Many multimillionaire marketers use WP and I think they would have something to say about that comment.

Anyways.... changing the model as you suggested was actually the original structure we had. Pictures all over the website, along with telling the girls story and giving away a module for free did not work for this audience. This is not what they want!

As for low price = crappy product?? I disagree. Coca Cola does rather well selling sodas for $1 (even though) everyone knows its crap lol.... maybe you should write to them and see what they say about your opinions on low priced products??

So far we have sold a lot of product since launching this week and we have not turned the marketing on yet . Our biggest issue is keeping up with the orders and making sure the backend is working as it should be

This ice cream model is working well for us so we need to perfect this "ice cream cone" model and not switch back to the model you suggested which is already tested and failed. Duncan Banatyne got rich by starting to sell ice creams Maybe I will read his book!

Thanks for your advice and wish you all the best.

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I wasn't being offensive or brash, I was trying to help you. I'm obviously too direct for you, I don't beat around the bush with things, no time for that an it doesn't help anyone anyway. I think it is more that you have your mind made up an you don't like being told any different. I saw someone else comment that you didn't seem to want to accept things that others were telling you.

I will make a flat out statement - you will never make much money from this website. You do not seem to understand marketing, sales or even your potential market. You keep saying we have tested this we have tested that, our customers don't like this they don't like that. Rubbish. What customers - the 3 that purchased at time you made the post.

You seem to think your Sales Page is a Video Sales Page. Yes your main feature is a video but that video is NOT a selling video. It is mainly jus a collection of short clips likely taken from your training videos. You don't do any real selling on your Sales Page yet you expect it to produce sales? Where did you learn that sales technique???

At your given conversion rate - 3 sales from 1000 visitors, and saying each of them purchases the $97 package, lets see, thats approx $300 sales per 1000 visitors. Is my math correct, do you need to get bout 100,000 visitors to jus make bout $30,000.? Thats certainly going to be profitable. NOT!

You want to take exception to some comments I make like us not liking WordPress. We don't, but I did say to each his own. An if you read up on WP you will find it was designed as a simple blogging platform for people with no experience. Of course we know the majority of IM's use it. We also know the majority of IM's, bout 96% of them in fact, don't make enough to live on from their internet marketing.

You didn't like my use of icecream cone prices to describe your small unit pricing. You attempt to use Coca Cola as an example to show I'm wrong. But Coca Cola sells tens of millions of units per day. How many units are you expecting to sell per day?

Your biggest issue now is keeping up with the orders??? Do you think I'm stupid or something Sam?

You said in one of your replies to someone else that you don't want to lie to your customers, or potential customers. Now that is a lie in itself.

I had one of the girls check the photos that you use in the testimonials. Results: Emma from Belgium - actually Maddie Britton a high school student from Bay High School. Pip from United Kingdom - actually Avantika Agarwal from London, she has a design website herself. Corina from Romania - she might be Mie Hansen but her photo is used on so many websites we didn't bother to trace her much further, but she is also Benedicta an Rachel, so there is four identities to start with. If your using fake identity photos I am also guessing your testimonials are jus as fabricated. You don't want to lie to your customers but you blatently lie to them in the testimonials, to gain their trust??? Get rid of the lies, get real testimonials from your customers, or do without them until you can get some. If your caught out in one lie noone will trust you with whatever else you say.

Sorry if that sounds offensive or harsh to your ears, your not the first one to fake testimonials nor will you be the last, but it's certainly wrong an its certainly against the law. An it's also an indication of how you think bout your customers.

I won't bother giving any more advice to you, it's wasted!

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I wasn't being offensive or brash, I was trying to help you. I'm obviously too direct for you, I don't beat around the bush with things, no time for that an it doesn't help anyone anyway. I think it is more that you have your mind made up an you don't like being told any different. I saw someone else comment that you didn't seem to want to accept things that others were telling you.

I will make a flat out statement - you will never make much money from this website. You do not seem to understand marketing, sales or even your potential market. You keep saying we have tested this we have tested that, our customers don't like this they don't like that. Rubbish. What customers - the 3 that purchased at time you made the post.

You seem to think your Sales Page is a Video Sales Page. Yes your main feature is a video but that video is NOT a selling video. It is mainly jus a collection of short clips likely taken from your training videos. You don't do any real selling on your Sales Page yet you expect it to produce sales? Where did you learn that sales technique???

At your given conversion rate - 3 sales from 1000 visitors, and saying each of them purchases the $97 package, lets see, thats approx $300 sales per 1000 visitors. Is my math correct, do you need to get bout 100,000 visitors to jus make bout $30,000.? Thats certainly going to be profitable. NOT!

You want to take exception to some comments I make like us not liking WordPress. We don't, but I did say to each his own. An if you read up on WP you will find it was designed as a simple blogging platform for people with no experience. Of course we know the majority of IM's use it. We also know the majority of IM's, bout 96% of them in fact, don't make enough to live on from their internet marketing.

You didn't like my use of icecream cone prices to describe your small unit pricing. You attempt to use Coca Cola as an example to show I'm wrong. But Coca Cola sells tens of millions of units per day. How many units are you expecting to sell per day?

Your biggest issue now is keeping up with the orders??? Do you think I'm stupid or something Sam?

You said in one of your replies to someone else that you don't want to lie to your customers, or potential customers. Now that is a lie in itself.

I had one of the girls check the photos that you use in the testimonials. Results: Emma from Belgium - actually Maddie Britton a high school student from Bay High School. Pip from United Kingdom - actually Avantika Agarwal from London, she has a design website herself. Corina from Romania - she might be Mie Hansen but her photo is used on so many websites we didn't bother to trace her much further, but she is also Benedicta an Rachel, so there is four identities to start with. If your using fake identity photos I am also guessing your testimonials are jus as fabricated. You don't want to lie to your customers but you blatently lie to them in the testimonials, to gain their trust??? Get rid of the lies, get real testimonials from your customers, or do without them until you can get some. If your caught out in one lie noone will trust you with whatever else you say.

Sorry if that sounds offensive or harsh to your ears, your not the first one to fake testimonials nor will you be the last, but it's certainly wrong an its certainly against the law. An it's also an indication of how you think bout your customers.

I won't bother giving any more advice to you, it's wasted!

Lindy

Your statement is an opinion! And Opinions are like a*seholes.... everybody has one, but how useful are they apart from the obvious function they perform to get rid of sh*t from the body through a hole??

Anyways...its not that your direct, direct is fine.. it is that you are rude!! I have agreed and disagreed with warriors on thier suggestions and you can see that at the end of the day I thanked people and they thanked me back. Its called common courtesy! I suspect you have probably had this effect on many people you interact with based on your dismissive rhetoric and going back to the continual point...."You are direct".....

You seem to think you are the only marketer in the world making money!! If you are then great I don't begrudge anyone or hate on people. Kudos to you. However you don't know everything there is to know! Claiming you make a $5m and this is the reason I should listen to you is Brazen


I have spoken with many marketers who use a "Ice cream cone" pricing model and it works amazingly well for them, as it is now doing for us! Wheter you believe it or not, doesnt chnage the fact, and what will be, will be

Regarding the model you keep suggesting we use... selling, having a video that "actually" sells, giving away a free module, and having pictures everywhere. I keep telling you it doesn't work....I keep telling you we have tested, but instead of asking how we test you are just dismissive and opinionated.

The marketing world is bigger than just you and the 54 employees who are apparently making $5m...(I repeat again...if you are then good for you, I wish everyone success). But quoting figures on how much money you are making is arrogant and unnecessary, not to mention unvalidated! No one can validate whether it is true or not, and frankly its doesnt matter, it doesnt do anything for anyones life whether its true or not, so stop glorifying yourself as a know it all. Im just starting out with this project and we will make it a success and I have no problem look for help when I need it!

But just so you know Lindy...There are marketers making MUCH more money than you on the internet...so you see....success is relative! Compared to some people what you do is peanuts, and they see you just like you see me!

As for your coca cola comment, yes they sell millions of units, but there was a day were coca cola was starting out and wasnt selling anything....because it was NEW!!!...but again all you do is take a hindsight viewpoint rather than taking a moment to appreciate what I was saying. There are roughly 300k-500k applications to the middle eastern airlines per year and 90% FAIL the interview process. you do the maths !! Im not trying to take over the world! And you have no idea about my business model. By the ways...we sell seats to VIP cabin crew training seminars for $750 - $1500 per seat and we have 10 booked for our next seminar...and more looking to book in the coming days!

You see Lindy I don't brag! We are doing very well on the seminar side but there was no need to mention that here. Because we needed help (using the wrong model you keep suggesting) on the platform side!

Plus that doesnt include another 3-4 revenue streams we have to make make money! But I wont go into detail since it is lost in your opinions!

Finally I will answer a question you don't seem to want to ask.....one of the most important questions that you should have asked if you were actually interested in helping rather than putting yourself on a pedestal.

Regarding the testing....before we moved to our "ice cream cones" all out FB followers were actually repeatedly messaging us NON stop asking us advice on the specific modules. They were also asking if we could sell them the individual modules since they didnt need all the entire course, and that they didnt want to pay $97 for lifetime access since they wont need it forever!! Only until they get the job.

So giving away a module(that many didnt need) for free, along with lifetime access for $97 to ALL the info....was and is the worng model!! They want to pick and chose the topics they want 2-3 weeks before their interviews so they can practice!!

This is what the market asked for...so we gave them what they want!!

I think I know our market a little more than you suggest.

Apart from all this I wish you the best and appreciate the time, whether or not I liked your approach, I still try to find appreciation for all things and all people.

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I notice you made no comment re your attempts to scam your customers, but I see you removed 3 of those photos very fast after I caught you out with your identity scam against those girls. If the one of "Corina" is being used illegally you best remove it fast too as we will be checking further on it. Likewise with any others you put up.

One of the advantages of having a lage Business is that I have the ability an resources to make a difference, in a good or a bad way. It can be in a very bad way for people like yourself who attempt to scam others by their dishonesty. You are guilty of that in two instances. First you were committing identity fraud against the girls who's photo's you stole, second you were committing fraud against your own customers by lying to them re using false testimonials.

At the same time you were breaking a number of laws.

We took screenshots of your website before you had a chance to remove the first photos. We have the ability to send those screenshots an comment on your fraudulent/scamming attempts an behaviour to every one of your 7,049 Facebook members. An of course we could continue to do that week after week without much effort at all, a few minutes work for a young staff member. Another possibility comes to mind, a scam website version of your domain name. And we can rank that well, can get you top spot all over the net for your chosen keywords at hardly any cost, one of our companies is an SEO provider. I assure you that you would have little online credibility left once I finished with you. An I'm thinking bout it. Have a nice day!

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Hello Lindy.

Why you are threatening me I don't know? You gave your opinion and I gave mine. You have not mentioned who you are or your company and I dont want to have any issues with our business moving forward. It would not be fair on the two girls who are and still hard working cabin crew professionals for many years. Both are at the top of the field. You can check their linkedin pages from the About Us page of our website. They have been training recruiting and managing cabin crew for many many years.

Threatening to take the time to be malicious towards us is unnecessary. We are not ripping people off and we deliver amazing information for a very low price.

Like I mentioned before I took your advice about adding pictures and thanked you for it accordingly. Maybe you dont notice but your posts come across very aggressive and condescending. And I replied accordingly. Now you are upset and it has led to this conflict.

Like I said before....I still appreciated your time and energy to reply even if I disagreed with you.

I still maintain this and wish you the best.
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For anyone reading this thread.... My (now) Friend Lindy and I have kissed and made up!

It goes to show that great minds and great personalities clash sometimes but in the end greatness always prevails!

All is right with the world again

Happy reading people!
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Jus to translate Samuelo's "Guy Speak", he means now he understands that EVERYTHING I said was right!

Jus adding that to razz him. lol.

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Lindy was right on most things yes.....

but not all

Sorry but i couldnt help but comment....there goes my "higher ground"...pfffff
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Hmm, I think he must be referring to when I forgot to add the full stop to end of one of my sentences.

That's bout the only thing I got wrong! lol.
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