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NickN

9 years ago

This ad is right -- I am choice.

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pewpewpewmonkeys

9 years ago

And he's such a nice (Australian)

Say wuuut

And what's with all the spam email I'm getting?

Oh good, it's not just me (misery loves company). The email I have attached to WF has only brushed against 3-4 "IM" entities before. I've been meaning to nail down which one shared the addy so that {name} Webinar could be sent to me every day.

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perryny

9 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

I dunno... I just want to headbutt these lying, sleazy, con-artists.

I don't know why this gets under your skin so. You're not his customer.

Kudos to this guy for putting a product together, putting a sales page together and having the stones to spend the bucks for a banner ad and give it a go.

If what he's selling is actionable (even if it's completely regurgitated), then I wish him a low refund rate and hope he does great things for and with his list.

If he's selling complete crap, then he'll get what he deserves. Nothing, except the experience of what probably wasn't a fast, easy or cheap exercise for him.

Whoever buys this, satisfied or not, will probably not take action on it (and they probably know that before buying) and they'll still be buying the next $7 fantasy they come across anyway. So who gets hurt?

WF is a market. He's selling to a niche. And this is the product that niche wants. Let 'em have it.

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elmo033057 9 years ago

I don't know why this gets under your skin so. You're not his customer.

I think his main complaint is that the WF is selling email lists and then he gets spammed with this crap.

I personally don't have a problem with someone trying to get ahead. I have a problem with lying. I have a hard time believing the claims that are made in an ad like this, and most people will too.

But it isn't just the little guys like this that are pulling this junk, even the big guys do it. I get email and snail mail with offers to go to $5000 seminars to create info products telling me that I better do it before America's economy takes a nose dive.

No crap.

They always tell me that they are followed by legions. However, despite the fact that they claim to track every type of advertising they do closely, they never, ever publish their rate of success with attendees.

Probably less than 20% if that.

Personal rant, but the deception and lies ARE out there.

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The Copy Nazi

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by perryny

I don't know why this gets under your skin so. You're not his customer.

Kudos to this guy for putting a product together, putting a sales page together and having the stones to spend the bucks for a banner ad and give it a go.

If what he's selling is actionable (even if it's completely regurgitated), then I wish him a low refund rate and hope he does great things for and with his list.

If he's selling complete crap, then he'll get what he deserves. Nothing, except the experience of what probably wasn't a fast, easy or cheap exercise for him.

Whoever buys this, satisfied or not, will probably not take action on it (and they probably know that before buying) and they'll still be buying the next $7 fantasy they come across anyway. So who gets hurt?

WF is a market. He's selling to a niche. And this is the product that niche wants. Let 'em have it.

* Because it makes our job harder. The perception is "Internet marketing is one giant con" and stuff like this just reinforces that.

* You do know there are laws against "deceptive" advertising? You do know the writer can be liable too?

The Commission will find an act or practice deceptive if there is a misrepresentation, omission, or other practice, that misleads the consumer acting reasonably in the circumstances, to the consumer's detriment.

FTC Policy Statement on Deception | Federal Trade Commission

You know what "misrepresentation" is I suppose? Do you not think that the claim "How to make $1000 per day...even if your (stet) starting from scratch" is gross misrepresentation?

Advertising agencies or website designers are responsible for reviewing the information used to substantiate ad claims. They may not simply rely on an advertiser's assurance that the claims are substantiated. In determining whether an ad agency should be held liable, the FTC looks at the extent of the agency's participation in the preparation of the challenged ad, and whether the agency knew or should have known that the ad included false or deceptive claims.
To protect themselves, catalog marketers should ask for material to back up claims rather than repeat what the manufacturer says about the product. If the manufacturer doesn't come forward with proof or turns over proof that looks questionable, the catalog marketer should see a yellow "caution light" and proceed appropriately, especially when it comes to extravagant performance claims, health or weight loss promises, or earnings guarantees. In writing ad copy, catalogers should stick to claims that can be supported. Most important, catalog marketers should trust their instincts when a product sounds too good to be true.

Other points to consider:

Disclaimers and disclosures must be clear and conspicuous. That is, consumers must be able to notice, read or hear, and understand the information. Still, a disclaimer or disclosure alone usually is not enough to remedy a false or deceptive claim.

http://www.business.ftc.gov/document...net-rules-road

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perryny

9 years ago

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

* Because it makes our job harder. The perception is "Internet marketing is one giant con" and stuff like this just reinforces that.

Does it (make your job harder)? Would any prospective customer you want to work with believe the claims made in this guy's sales letter? Would you ever take on a customer who you'd have to educate on what is and isn't real about IM?

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

* You do know there are laws against "deceptive" advertising? You do know the writer can be liable too?

You know what "misrepresentation" is I suppose? Do you not think that the claim "How to make $1000 per day...even if your (stet) starting from scratch" is gross misrepresentation?

Yes, I know there are laws. Does the seller and writer know? If they do (they do) and choose to play this game anyway, well, seriously, what do I care? There are crimes I might witness where I'd be compelled to call a cop. This isn't one of them. If the cops (or FTC) wants to come down on these guys and make an example, it'll make for some fun conversation around here for a bit, but otherwise it doesn't affect me, emotionally or financially.

And if the buyer wants to believe and send his $7, good luck to the dude. I hope he will at the very least get $7 worth of an education - one way or another.

These schemers and get-rich-quick dreamers might be hanging in the same neighborhood as us, but we don't have to hang out with them. Let them do their thing, I'll do mine. The only way I see our paths potentially crossing is when one of the dreamers wakes up and starts hanging with a different, more realistic crowd.

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Cam Connor

9 years ago

I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to shame Freelancer's integrity... there were a lot of people slinging that sort of thing BEFORE Freelancer bought the site.